Why Fatal Ascension? A History Lesson

TL:dr, just shows that you should never ever trust anyone with your words. This incessant posting of logs is just retarded. Seriously, you post the logs of shit people consider said in private and wonder why said people want to fuck you over.
fight fight Fight Fight FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Both sides are fucking ignorant pricks and mistakes were made by both -FA- and TEST . Remember though all tensions we still helped them out in Delve . If we really hate each other so much why do we search for ways to settle it down and help each other out in hard times. Somebody needs to step up and sort out blue standings again. This is like some fucking high school musical drama. Both sides Diplomats and Alliance Leaders are doing a horrible job here . sorry
jusus fuck more passive aggresive shit from monty makes zag look like a god damn white knight clad in the finest silk.
Why I am reading a repost of a TEST Alliance post? It was a really good and unbiased post /scarasm out
Wee, drama from 2011 is certainly something to hold onto like a mother clutching a dead baby.Christ Montolio, grow the fuck up.
lol so much trolling, and sooooo many tears. more please!!!
these logs just make zag look like a white knight clad in the finest silk.but honestly monty just looks really passive aggressive and bitchy
You are telling me FA should ´t be mad if TEST breaks a treaty and hunt people with afk cloaking, you are still talking about the BDEAL Alliance, I may be new to the Stuff but if I remember correctly their leadership was the problem which pocketed money, so that they couldn´t pay sov bills, TEST gave them money, which what a surprise! was also pocketed.
From us spies to you CFC/HBC/TESTPETS/GOONNOOBS.We love the drama. Keep it coming.
I guess the editor expected you to realize it was blatant propaganda and didn't think it needed a disclaimer.
Doesn't matter, Greedo died.
As someone who was in BDEAL and was "poached" - it wasn't exaclty a matter of poaching and more a matter of jumping over the side of a sinking ship. BDEAL was rotten at the top, our PVP performance was terrible, our fleets were welped on a regular basis to Godfathers, and the only reason BDEAL kept it's sov in fountain was TEST propping it up.When the time finally came to put BDEAL down (by which time I was happily settling down in Fade away from the drama) I don't recall TEST being particularly upset about having to take them out the back and shooting them.
i dont know how i made 2 but meh fuck it i am dad at lyfe
I gues he thinks that some people will not notice, but I am wondering who will not....@bagehi can you please add a disclaimer next time, thanks
yes. you shouldn't be mad if they afk cloak. that has nothing to do with a NIP. as a member of the cfc I can only say HTFU. Buy yourself a stealthbomber and get some buddies ready, and return the favour if it's such a big deal.
you are not a spy . you are a mad scrub. I can tell by the pixels
really? you need this? Are you that easily confused?
not quite how I read it, though he definitely seems to home in on drama.I can see why he feels the need to impress on zagdul that the spying bit is a bad.I can also see why zagdul doesn't instantly admit to something he's in the process of verifying / asking around. However a newly joining corp being silly towards their old alliance with chars that are still in said alliance doesn't take a great leap of the imagination. Putting them on probation would have seemed like the most diplomatic solution to me. Shows enough taking action to mollify without admitting doing anything wrong.
Do find it intresting that Zagdul's post that inspired the test responses primarily told FA to deal with it and organize responses to BLOPS drops while Montolio's posts seem to be "CTA" justification posts stating that FA are AHOLES and shot first.
So how long until a TEST coup happens? Montolio has been GIVEN space by the CFC and has still managed to bitch about anything and everything that hasn't gone his way. Fighting the CFC isn't going to be anything like rolling over -A-, because they were running and " didn't want that space anyway." TEST will lose alot more meatshield fleets that PL send them on than they did in the south, and pilots will either stop logging in and corps will leave or someone will take charge and defuse the situation.
Can we just reset TEST already and get to the fighting? I don't even care who wins the fight, because with this sperging, nobody wins.
I was sarcastic, I mean even Goonswarm CEO Updates are labeled and important if you want to not sink down to EN24 level......
TL:DR; Everyone is acting like a child. Zag, Monty, and even to some extent Mittens. I don't know if this is an attempt to "create content" or everyone's ego's are so damn big that they can't even apologize for legitimate mistakes.As a simple line member, as long as I get to make pretty explosions, I'm happy. All I ask for is some honesty. Don't act like this is all the other guy's fault. Seventeen and a half wrong's don't make any of you right.
Dude, sarcasm does not carry over the internet. Especially when so many people say this seriously.
Just go to war Dudes.EVE demands it!
Confirming sensitive souls live in player null.
Using events from 2011 to escalate shit in 2013 is not going to win you sympathy from any sane person. Montolio is out of line. If TEST directorship does not intervene, he is going to send TEST head-first into a very ugly fight that neither side should really wants, except maybe the HBC pets you've collected, who've undoubtedly been whispering in your ears this whole tipe. I hope you understand how close to the brink you idiots fucking are. This won't be gudfights. If the north is attacked, you're in for the worst war of attrition you will ever see in eve online, and it will kill both of our alliances. Coincidentally, most of the HBC and N3 would fucking LOVE for that to happen. So you know, diplomats who are reading this: Do what you can to get rid of montolio, and fix your coalition of shitheads, TEST, and if you're taking their diplomatic advice, now is the point where you need to stop.
Goddamn, Montolio is literally the new DigitalCommunist.
lol, I was part of BDEAL and was part of BDEAL high command and part of the high lvl discussions between corps leaving to FA from the sinking ship that was BDEAL. All these posts about FA poaching and stealing isk are super funny. most you don't seem to remember that all the major BDEAL corps left for FA or other places well before TEST gave BDEAL any isk. all that remained when TEST gave BDEAL isk were scammers, alts, and carebears. what did you expect to happen to any ISK you gave BDEAL when they had already died but were too stupid to see the writing on the wall????
Thisarticle confirm what I was feeling from the start. PL have been playing fromthe start the card of breaking the axe between TEST & Goon. This is supermeta gaming BS from PL wich were part if the very first incident against FA inDelve.
I like how Montolio criticises FA for being 'very serious business' while spazzing out a gigantic wall of text complete with 2 year old chatlogs that he's been saving up just in case.TEST sure do come across as a chill and laidback bunch of guys here, yes.
Both sides have grievences. But rather than struting and sabre rattling, some level headedness on both sides is in order. I personnaly am just a CFC grunt and I will point my gun in the direction leadership decides. But at the end of the day it is the morale of CFC and HBC that is at stake here. Senior leaders squabble about past sins of both sides with disregard for deep friendships between line members of both sides. This is what will destroy powerblocks. It is the beginnings of what could become deep rifts as the powerblock splinters.Leaders need to realise that no matter how charismatic they might be. Charisma alone will not hold groups together. Leaders are in leadership because others place trust in the leaders ability. If you lose that trust then you will lose your strength, the people behind you. So be trustworthy and honest with yourselves. If you can't be honest with yourself, you definintely can't be honest with your team. A team is not a team if its members and leadership doesn't give a damn about one another.So this calls for humility on both sides of the fence. If a legitimate wrong is done then be willing to fix it. Be willing to accept the fix for it. Don't let it fester, because if you do it can become damaging to the whole group.We are a powerful entity because we have worked together. As a powerful entity we have been able to take for ourselves some very prime space. We walk and the eve universe trembles at our passing. If these festering wounds aren't cauterised and allowed to heal, the end result will be splintering. The mighty blob will be no more. Our enemies will feel that they are justified because of our destruction. We will become a laughing stock.This can still be fixed. Let both sides come together and say sorry. Let them ask what fair restitution is required. Give it, and then put this behind us. We will continue to be an unstoppable force.Don't both sides have similar ideologies, do we not?If our ideologies are not opposed, these differences can be resolved.
Reset TEST.
FA will be thrown under the bus by goons.
FFS, shit or get off the pot, already!
I'm not sure what the point is. Everyone knows Test neither has the balls nor chest hair to do anything about it in fear of Papa Goon. Monti is just hoping if he whines loud enough that Mittani might kick FA for them.Sorry Test, pew pew or shut up.
It appears Zagdul is a master of diplomacy and espionage. He not only orchestrated the collapse of an alliance he gave no fucks about (BDEAL), but did so using an alliance on the other side of the map, who he also gave no fucks about (Nulli).Oooorrrr...Montolio is seeing shadows, and simply found that not all alliances he took under his wing were full of spice and cherries.
Well, but if there is a treaty there is a treaty and you can´t argue that there isn´t the rule on the paper and if they break it why should I move myself down to the same level and break it too, I think the rule was stupid because it was impossible to enforce and now nobody cares about ganking and afk cloaking......
As a former -FA-, then BLM, then -FA- again :dude: i have to say this is glorious and yummy internet drama.BLM and BDEAL were dumb and, in the words of silly Monty :pussy: enough to let themselves be taken down by my glorious ex-alliance leader Zagdul an individual exhibiting the qualities of a terrible troll, nocturnal psycho, unbearable pitdog and digital Hitler.Awesome stuff.
Its a game. Get a life boys
Can this wait until we finish building the JB ring-road please? We're more than half of the way there.
" We had plenty more evidence against a deliberate attempt by Fatal Ascension but didn't have proof for the theft, awoxing, and real time spying."Ahh the old "we had tons of evidence, we just don't want to show you it" argument. Priceless.
So its FA's fault that BDEAL leadership was terrible and their members disgruntled? Check.
If my dealings with PL over the last year are any indication of what is going on behind the scenes then I feel you are completely wrong. If anything I would venture a guess that PL is probably the only reason Monty hasn't gone completely off the deep end. Shadoo, Jeff, and Grath are all mature level headed smart dudes that from what I saw wanted to mend CFC relations not break them down.
I know your trying to promote TEST, and frown upon FA, but a few things don't makes sense."We had plenty more evidence against a deliberate attempt by Fatal Ascension but didn't have proof for the theft, awoxing, and real time spying." How do you have evidence, and not have proof? I think you mean you had suspect, or suspisions. Because evidence and proof, are synonyms, so either you have it or you don't. Also what happened to fair and unbaises reporting?

There were some questions about the Fatal Ascension, Test, and Important Internet Spaceship League relationship in my previous article.  Montolio wrote a much more in-depth piece on the events that damaged FA-Test relations, leading to the current situation.  With his permission, here is a copy paste, in all its unedited glory.

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Story Time

Buckle up friends, this is a long story. I see a lot of statements flying around about Fatal Ascension - nobody seems to know why we have issues with them just that we do. "Fuck FA" has become a cry our newer members shout with no idea of the history between us. The history is long and involved - TEST was an early friend of Fatal Ascension and Zagdul especially. He and I used to work together closely and supported each other in all endeavors. We were brothers. TEST and FA had a BFF that could rival our relationship to Goonswarm at the time. As our paths diverged and our alliances grew older we went from collaboration to rivalry. Fatal Ascension has always strived to be seen as one of the top alliances in the CFC while TEST desired independence and fun. When we migrated into Fountain and the NC collapsed, the Fatal Ascension bropact collapsed with it. Fatal Ascension became very focused on themselves, very serious business. We've had a couple of incidents since then, I will try to highlight the most important.

Poaching is a BDEAL

I noticed at some point in August 2011 that a lot of corporations from Important Internet Spaceship League, one of our first allies that we had independently, were leaving for Fatal Ascension - I spoke with Zagdul about this. I was told that it was all above board and I had nothing to worry about - more on this later.

FA Shot First

This incident was from October of 2011, when TEST was working on a friendship with Pandemic Legion - a friendship that the CFC did not approve of. TEST & PL did some roams together and camps in the Delve region. This didn't really create too many problems until we ran into Fatal Ascension - my old post does a good job explaining so I will quote that here:


Earlier today an issue arose in Delve. TEST pilots have been flying in fleets with Pandemic Legion camping in Br1ck Squad and Morsus Mihi. I have no problem with this so long as they do not shoot blues.

While coming home from one such op, the fleet encountered a mix of Fatal Ascension and Black-Mark on a gate - when TEST decloaked Fatal Ascension shot at TEST pilots first. This escalated in a full fight between Elite Space Guild, Test Alliance Please Ignore, and Pandemic legion against Fatal Ascension and Black-Mark. In response to this the Fatal Ascension diplomat, Kaleb Rysode decided to make a big deal out of this in gfallies. Claiming that we were in the wrong and that we should reimburse them and yell at our kick our pilots (DurrHurrDurr & leetcheese among them).

I provided logs to Kaleb Rysode proving that TEST pilots were shot first. He accused me of cutting over a minute of the logs, comparing them to the other provided logs this was simply not the case (that minute had no action).

I ended up wanting to settle the issue with a public apology seeing as Fatal Ascension made this a public issue, not TEST.

We reset Fatal Ascension in response to this - it was fixed eventually but the damage to the relationship was done.

Here are some logs from GF Allies around this incident (oh god what if they purge me from the room for rele- oh wait). These are snippets because the entire log is holy fuck too long.

This was at the start of the log right after the incident


(12:34:19 PM) loquitur [FA]: http://flyezco.com/k...il&kll_id=13284 wtf?
(12:34:45 PM) loquitur [FA]: was there a thunderdome with PL or something?
(12:46:04 PM) Kaleb Rysode [FA]: Looking into it now with Aryndel.
(12:57:22 PM) Chomp Wom: what do you guys use for checking peoples apis?
(12:57:48 PM) Chomp Wom: jackknife was great but doesn't support api2
(1:08:16 PM) White Tree: THANKS ENDIE
(1:09:33 PM) zagdul: Can we finally reset TEST?

Here is a gem for our Pandemic Legion friends:


(2:21:14 PM) the_mittani: hi
(2:21:17 PM) the_mittani: i just woke up
(2:21:42 PM) the_mittani: no one who sides with pl in anything over a clusterfucker will get an iota of sympathy for me
(2:22:14  PM) the_mittani: i don't give a fuck if you're naive/dumb enough to  believe in a 'pl bropact', if you are, that means you can get the fuck  out of my region



(5:57:37 PM) dabigredboat: you do realize this is something pl wants right montolio, for you to reset fa or other allies over 1 lossmail because idiots are doing dumb things anyawys
(5:58:19 PM) Montolio: Oh well
(5:58:30 PM) the_mittani: dbdbr: diplomat extraordinare
(5:58:35 PM) theadj: heh
(5:58:48 PM) zagdul: You're being meta gamed by PL monti
(5:59:13 PM) zagdul: You're being played.

FA flirting with boat


(6:05:31 PM) Kaleb Rysode [FA]: Indeed. And TEST was in the PL fleet, so that makes them a hostile fleet.
(6:05:35 PM) dabigredboat: no
(6:05:36 PM) dabigredboat: it doesn't
(6:05:49 PM) dabigredboat: if I was to fly with pl (I wouldn't) would you come shooting me
(6:05:49 PM) dabigredboat: no
(6:06:05 PM) dabigredboat: just because they are with them, doesn't mean they shot blues while doing it
(6:06:07 PM) dabigredboat: its different
(6:06:15 PM) Kaleb Rysode [FA]: I'd never shoot you because you're too pretty.

I actually had full director access to Fatal Ascension forums from our previous relationship. Note Zagdul admitting fault here but refusing to accept responsibility.


(6:43:19 PM) Montolio: zagdul: Remember to remove my director access from your forums 
(6:44:19 PM) zagdul: yeah
(6:44:25 PM) zagdul: dude, we shot first I'm not disputing it
(6:44:51 PM) Montolio: You see, when Fatal Ascension makes a statement like that I heard "We should probably apologize but we won't because it hurts our pride"
(6:45:19 PM) zagdul: nope.
(6:45:23 PM) Montolio: If you don't disagree with the fact that Fatal Ascension shot first, and you don't disagree with the fact that your diplomat called me a liar. Then how can you disagree with providing an apology?
(6:45:38 PM) zagdul: I have yet to see where he called you a liar
(6:46:01 PM) Montolio: He claimed that I "removed 1 minute" and whatever seconds from a log when his logs backed up the fact that that minute was empty.
(6:46:25 PM) zagdul: so a minute was removed.
(6:46:28 PM) zagdul: he didnt lie
(6:46:31 PM) zagdul: or call you one
(6:46:35 PM) Montolio: No, there was no minute to remove
(6:46:40 PM) Montolio: That minute was devoid of combat
(6:46:46 PM) Montolio: There was not a minute to remove as it did not exist
(6:46:59 PM) zagdul: so he made the claim of a minute missing?
(6:47:06 PM) zagdul: where are his words that a minute was removed?
(6:48:26 PM) Montolio: :condi: I have dinner appointments to keep, get the logs from your diplomat. You can reach me via text.



(6:02:27 PM) dabigredboat: c montolio wants an apology for shooting blues
(6:02:29 PM) dabigredboat: that is all 
(6:02:31 PM) zagdul: when I saw the logs I laughed my ass off
(6:03:04 PM) the_mittani: from what i understand, "i'm sorry that my pilot was an idiot and shot blues, no hard feelings" would cover most of this
(6:03:10 PM) dabigredboat: yes



(4:54:47 PM) zagdul@allies.pleaseignore.com/447250101131965211964087: What you're doing right now is not valuing friendship
(4:54:59 PM) montolio@pleaseignore.com/work: What I am doing right now is called not being a pussy

This incident was basically unresolved - Fatal Ascension never acknowledged being in the wrong. We did some short term limited skirmishing and then set it aside.


The major blowup after this was around Fatal Ascension member corporations deliberately undermining Important internet Spaceship League - I attribute most of the failure of BDEAL to Fatal Ascension engaging in a willful and months long campaign to get the alliance to collapse. It worked. I don't think we really have a big post for this that I can link to, but here is a log most of you probably haven't seen.



Conversation with zagdul@goonfleet.com at 2/5/2012 10:40:25 PM on montolio@goonfleet.com/home (jabber)(10:40:25 PM) Zagdul: I'm here
(10:40:42 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Alright, so the log I sent you?
(10:41:00 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: A second name contacted
(10:41:04 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: provided this:
(10:41:06 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: http://i.imgur.com/8rupB.png
(10:41:12 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: 338610 / d19g2RFAfm6zG9YpMmgUDz6KekbYIx2WvQm26mQpV8Aoq6IIHTABosSNqbiO7bQg
(10:41:13 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: and that
(10:41:58 PM) Zagdul: the spartan loh?
(10:42:00 PM) Zagdul: log
(10:42:19 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: [05:51:19] *******> o/
[05:57:00] Incognito Moonman > yo
[05:57:18] Incognito Moonman > was talking to ******* the other, he said nulli was interested in bdeal info
[05:58:23] *******> nod, he knows more about all of the goings on with that than I
[05:58:42] Incognito Moonman > yea he doesn't seem to want to chat so I figured I'd talk to you
[05:59:45] *******> ok so what are you trying to sell
[06:00:17] Incognito Moonman > Director Level access and perhaps a few api keys, as well as moon income locations and csaa info
[06:02:16] Incognito Moonman > I can tell you right now that anyone with a Nulli/Nemesis/BG/GF background is having access removed
[06:03:00] *******> as far as?
[06:03:32] Incognito Moonman > forum access, ts, and apparently there's a ban list on their api keys and characters
[06:05:12] Incognito Moonman > But I'm willing to offer Director forum access, beyond your regular access that ******* said you already had
[06:06:04] *******> oh, and what are you asking for it?
[06:06:33] Incognito Moonman > I initially said 20b to guderian but I'm open to negotiation
[06:06:55] *******> lol
[06:07:50] Incognito Moonman > As I said, I'm open to negotiation, I figured that was a bit on the high side
[06:08:41] *******> what are you offering? the api?
[06:08:41] Incognito Moonman > 500+ active keys, with about 75 keys with mail capability
[06:09:53] Incognito Moonman > Only catch with the api keys, is they're only accessible through the site via a director character for any corp, however that can be circumvented so you can view director forums and search keys on characters
[06:10:52] *******> hmm
[06:11:06] Incognito Moonman > /emote shrugs, better than nothing
[06:12:00] Incognito Moonman > [06:12:40] *******> yeah.. it is interesting but we have to think about it
[06:13:48] Incognito Moonman > Understandable, but this is an expiring offer so sooner the better....
[06:15:01] *******> of course
[06:15:57] Incognito Moonman > How long do you think you need?
[06:25:47] *******> just some time, we're doing a little debating
[06:26:30] Incognito Moonman > Well let me know, Ill be on for a few hours and as I said I'm open to negotiation on price
[06:29:47] *******> do you have something more substantial.. your member id is publically visible on the bdeal forums and there is little to nothing that we can vet as legitimate
[06:31:18] Incognito Moonman > what would you like?
[06:34:52] *******> one of the keys or a forum account to log in
[06:35:55] *******> how much do you want for 1 key
[06:35:58] *******> or a forum account
[06:37:40] Incognito Moonman > depends on the key, if it's a leadership key probably 1b as several of them you can view mails on, but regular maybe 250m?
[06:40:14] Incognito Moonman > I dont mind giving some sample keys of non-leadership for you to check out but any thing leadership wise I'm iffy about to give out without some sort of deal
[06:41:32] *******> ok, just a general member key and we'll check that out to see and verify
[06:43:48] Incognito Moonman > 338610
[06:43:52] Incognito Moonman > d19g2RFAfm6zG9YpMmgUDz6KekbYIx2WvQm26mQpV8Aoq6IIHTABosSNqbiO7bQg
[06:44:32] Incognito Moonman > and that key does contain mail messages
[06:45:39] *******> rgr
[06:51:06] *******> ok, we're going to look at this and i will get back with you tomorrow, if that's okay
[06:51:27] Incognito Moonman > Yea sounds good
[06:51:52] *******> thanks
[06:52:31] Incognito Moonman > I'll be on sometime around 00:00 until now
[06:52:36] *******> rgr
[06:53:08] Incognito Moonman > o/
(10:42:25 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Thats a log after the one I initially sent you
(10:42:43 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I'm pretty confident they've either got a backdoor into BDEAL systems or a full database dump
(10:45:02 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: BDEAL guy did a log dump of the IPs hitting the admin pages on BDEAL Stuff
(10:45:06 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Came up with this:

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx- - [30/Jan/2012:18:26:23 -0600] - Ageck Kalenia - BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:03:56:31 -0600] - radecz3k (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:05:40:54 -0600] - Titris (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:13:43:11 -0600]
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:23:28:10 -0600] - Enorio (FA)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:38:35 -0600] - UDSaxman
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:42:31 -0600] - Montolio
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:12:14:43 -0600] - TheSaint2000 BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:21:11:03 -0600] - Ori Empress (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:11:22:15 -0600] - Cyno Zicke BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:14:59:59 -0600]
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [24/Jan/2012:17:48:48 -0600] - Tearhart (ACE)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [25/Jan/2012:07:40:17 -0600] - Pinky Demark BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [09/Jan/2012:07:27:29 -0600] - Boldt FA

(10:46:33 PM) Zagdul: kk
(10:46:38 PM) Zagdul: it's boldt
(10:46:39 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: So, what do we do now?
(10:47:13 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: My gut tells me there is a group of guys carrying out a personal vendetta trying to collapse BDEAL
(10:49:03 PM) Zagdul: we're getting a list of everyone who had access.
(10:49:23 PM) Zagdul: he's telling me right now that there are potentially people within bdeal still unhappy
(10:49:42 PM) Zagdul: my rage right now is that the list you just provided
(10:49:49 PM) Zagdul:

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [30/Jan/2012:18:26:23 -0600] - Ageck Kalenia - BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:03:56:31 -0600] - radecz3k (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:05:40:54 -0600] - Titris (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:13:43:11 -0600]
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:23:28:10 -0600] - Enorio (FA)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:38:35 -0600] - UDSaxman
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:42:31 -0600] - Montolio
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:12:14:43 -0600] - TheSaint2000 BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:21:11:03 -0600] - Ori Empress (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:11:22:15 -0600] - Cyno Zicke BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:14:59:59 -0600]
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [24/Jan/2012:17:48:48 -0600] - Tearhart (ACE)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [25/Jan/2012:07:40:17 -0600] - Pinky Demark BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [09/Jan/2012:07:27:29 -0600] - Boldt FA

(10:49:50 PM) Zagdul: that list
(10:49:53 PM) Zagdul: that's personal info
(10:49:59 PM) Zagdul: ip addresses
(10:50:01 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: You upset that I have it?
(10:50:06 PM) Zagdul: I don't take kindly to that shit
(10:50:16 PM) Zagdul: I'm upset that the information is being shared
(10:50:35 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: It was shared with me, from BDEAL, because someone in FA is leaking BDEAL information
(10:50:37 PM) Zagdul: I give no fucks about API stuff
(10:50:38 PM) Zagdul: yeah
(10:50:39 PM) Zagdul: I know
(10:50:54 PM) Zagdul: he's telling me that there's someone still in BDEAL unhappy
(10:51:02 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: This isn't someone in BDEAL
(10:51:10 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: This is someone directly associated with Spartan
(10:51:12 PM) Zagdul: ok
(10:51:51 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I need Spartan to quit undermining BDEAL, cut any access he has to their systems, delete any database dumps, and provide an apology to BDEAL leadership
(10:52:53 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Does that seem fair to you?
(10:53:05 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: We've even had him pulling mails via APIs and shit
(10:59:52 PM) Zagdul: "we do not have that list"
(10:59:55 PM) Zagdul: I showed it to him
(11:00:14 PM) Zagdul: w/o the api's
(11:00:26 PM) Zagdul: w/o the ip's
(11:00:45 PM) Zagdul: an apology isn't going to happen
(11:00:51 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: How did he get the information then?
(11:00:53 PM) Zagdul: I'm talking to him right now
(11:01:16 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If Spartan didn't get the information himself, he put Nulli Secunda in touch with someone that had the information and was willing to sell it
(11:01:21 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Either way its pretty damning in my eyes
(11:01:35 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If I were to start selling Black Mark API information I assume you'd be rightfully angry
(11:13:44 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Should I not be upset? Am I in the wrong?
(11:13:49 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Is my information bad?
(11:48:41 PM) Zagdul: the information that I'm getting is this
(11:49:08 PM) Zagdul: a dude who had a couple full api's wanted to sell info to someone as a scam
(11:49:19 PM) Zagdul: the scam didn't work out
(11:49:26 PM) Zagdul: so they bailed on the plan
(11:49:39 PM) Zagdul: the screenshot you showed me is from BDEAL's live server
(11:49:47 PM) Zagdul: which they no longer have access to
(11:50:11 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Someone from FA accessed that page yesterday
(11:50:27 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: According to the logs given to me by BDEAL
(11:50:39 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: and they provided an API of a BDEAL member
(11:50:43 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: An API that can be verified
(11:50:48 PM) Zagdul: ok
(11:50:48 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Someone that is _still_ in BDEAL
(11:51:12 PM) Zagdul: so you're telling me that there is someone in FA who still has an active api verified character in bdeal?
(11:51:27 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: There are people in FA that are able to get BDEAL APIs
(11:51:32 PM) Zagdul: if so, you can give me that character who is in bdeal and I can verify that they're in both alliances
(11:51:38 PM) Zagdul: no
(11:51:44 PM) Zagdul: he's telling me they can't
(11:51:54 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Why did he happen to have a screenshot of Callum laying around?
(11:52:01 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: http://i.imgur.com/8rupB.png
(11:52:04 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: That was produced yesterday
(11:52:12 PM) Zagdul: he's telling me that didn't come from them
(11:52:13 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If they don't have access to that server
(11:52:21 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: It came from someone they referred then
(11:52:22 PM) Zagdul: that that came from someone in bdeal
(11:52:36 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If it came from inside BDEAL, then it was someone Spartan512 put in touch with hostiles
(11:52:39 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Which makes both people traitors
(11:52:49 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: How did this "someone in BDEAL" know Nulli Secunda wanted information ?
(11:52:54 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Unless Spartan512 told them?
(11:53:34 PM) Zagdul: either way
(11:53:51 PM) Zagdul: doesn't matter
(11:53:54 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: It does
(11:53:57 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: You've told me several things
(11:54:14 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If it wasn't Spartan then Spartan put him into contact with someone in BDEAL that was "unhappy"
(11:54:14 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: (10:50:54 PM) Zagdul: he's telling me that there's someone still in BDEAL unhappy
(11:54:25 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Unhappy implies this person would be completely willing to sell the data
(11:54:29 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Not nessicarily scam
(11:54:49 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Either way you have a member SELLING intelligence to hostile entities
(11:55:00 PM) Zagdul: not in FA
(11:55:14 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: If your member wasn't directly involved, he brokered the deal
(11:55:18 PM) Zagdul: no
(11:55:25 PM) Zagdul: he washed his hands of it.
(11:55:33 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: By passing it off to an 'unhappy bdeal member' ?
(11:55:36 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Why would he do that?
(11:55:48 PM) Zagdul: to passing it off to the person in bdeal who has the information
(11:55:57 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: An unhappy person
(11:56:02 PM) Zagdul: if that person is unhappy, I have no proof other than the screen you providedd.
(11:56:13 PM) Zagdul: which must have come from them
(11:56:18 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I have proof that S2N contacted Spartan512 requesting information
(11:56:25 PM) Zagdul: because the dudes in FA don't have access to that information
(11:56:27 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I have proof that immediately afterwards, S2N was contacted and supplied with the information
(11:56:30 PM) Zagdul: that's great
(11:56:36 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Then you tell me, it wasn't them
(11:56:39 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: It was an unhappy BDEAL member
(11:56:57 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: They either did it themselves or they passed it off to someone they knew would provide information to hostiles
(11:57:00 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Both options are teason
(11:57:01 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: treason
(11:57:59 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I came to you so that we could handle this privately, but your whitewashing it completely and saying its a non-issue
(11:58:10 PM) Zagdul: I'm telling you now that at no time has spartan tried to sell information to nulli nor have they knowningly put nulli in contact with someone who would provide information of a blue alliance
(11:58:29 PM) Zagdul: outside of trying to extort isk from nulli
(11:58:48 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: So the person contacting Nulli Secunda and supplying legitmately, current, and verifiable information was mere concidence ?
(11:59:01 PM) Zagdul: not sure
(11:59:08 PM) Zagdul: and I have no information on that
(11:59:32 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Right, because the person contacted 24 hours prior to the contact that supplied actual information was Spartan
(11:59:33 PM) Zagdul: I only have what you've given me.
(11:59:40 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: So nobody could assume that Spartan played a part in that
(11:59:41 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Of course
(11:59:55 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Not to mention people in FA accessing admin systems in BDEAL as of yesterday
(12:00:06 AM) Zagdul: so you're asking me to tell a corp in FA to provide an apology for something they are telling me they didn't do?
(12:00:13 AM) Zagdul: and that you have no solid evidence they did
(12:00:32 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I'm telling you that something dirty is going on
(12:00:40 AM) Zagdul: that I won't disagree on
(12:00:55 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: These people have been trying to fuck with BDEAL since more then a week before they left to join you
(12:01:03 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: They've been talking shit, slandering, and sniping members non-stop
(12:01:09 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: and whispering to everyone that will listen about how terrible BDEAL is
(12:01:22 AM) Zagdul: the only evidence you ahve that they've tried to fuck with bdeal is some logs of a guy trying to extort isk from nulli
(12:01:23 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: When they finally joined FA they went out of there way to recruit as many corporations as possible from BDEAL into FA
(12:01:32 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: and now they've been implicated in this data issue
(12:01:57 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I can dig up a shitload of logs of Spartan512 telling me information
(12:02:06 AM) Zagdul: I'm sure he's been unhappy
(12:02:16 AM) Zagdul: and that he's expressed his distaste of bdeal with you
(12:02:22 AM) Zagdul: however, that's within the coalition
(12:02:31 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: And that he has gone out of his way to pull corporations out of BDEAL
(12:02:32 AM) Zagdul: he's expressed that distaste with me as well
(12:02:34 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: And sow misinformation
(12:02:39 AM) Zagdul: yeah
(12:02:46 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: This guy is a snake
(12:02:52 AM) Zagdul: he's been very vocal on how much he dislikes bdeal
(12:03:10 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: BDEAL would collapse either way
(12:03:23 AM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: But snakes are snakes, they will bite you eventually
(12:03:24 AM) Zagdul: that doesn't make him treasonous
(12:03:41 AM) Zagdul: it just makes him a snake

The tl;dr of this is that we provided Zagdul with ample proof of this operation. He told us he would look into it and did fuck all. BDEAL is dead now. The people responsible for this are still in Fatal Ascension as far as I know. We had plenty more evidence against a deliberate attempt by Fatal Ascension but didn't have proof for the theft, awoxing, and real time spying.

Ratter Drama

That brings us to the present: ratter drama. Fatal Ascension is so mad about Sperg Squad doing black ops drops out of NPC Pure Blind and killing dumb FA ratters that they are openly calling for war and whining to Goonswarm diplomats about it. They made this post to try and address the situation, in it they take credit for 'giving us' our space. Fatal Ascension ratting drama became so much of an issue that we removed the AFK camping clause from our CFC NIP so that CFC diplomats didn't have to commit suicide.


We've been removed from GFAllies because of our rivalry with Fatal Ascension and some blunt unofficial words said by Bring Stabity. We've been painted as attempting to undermine and kill Fatal Ascension. We've been painted as poor friends. The opposite is true. FA holds themselves up as a core CFC member, yet every action they took towards Test and BDEAL weren't just hindering, unfriendly, and self serving. It was abusive and destructive. These actions took place in a coalition that holds themselves up as equals. In that context, the most disgusting thing is not that they did what they did. It's that they were allowed to get away with it. 

Bagehi began playing Eve in 2003 briefly, then returned in 2006. He has been part of IAC, NC, SoCo, and HBC during that time. He has a thing for history, but mostly spends his time IRL in a corner office, staring at financial reports, like a MMD.