We go all in or we burn: An N3 Coalition Update

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tl;dr fuck goons and we gotta HOLD THE LINE also we're carrying test but don't tell them that LOL #yolo #swag #pro #god #legend #kony2012 #dyel #420blazeit
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It seems that the N3 leadership bought the Spinmaster 3000 second hand from Mittens, I've never seen such desperate attempts from an alliance to keep their line members fighting.Sure, there is a lot of spin on the CFC side, but in the end we know why we fight, for moons and land.The N3 members are fighting in other mans territory in a war against a coalition most of them have lost from once before, with limited succes and their ally and owner of the land continuously dropping the ball.And why? So they can say 'we dunked the CFC?', not at the rate this is going, and most of them will go right back to being Pets and Renters when the war is over.
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I will say I was impressed by the Great Station Save in the East. 6 hours has to be a record.That said, N3 is in a sad state of affairs: as progodlegend says, they need to fill 4 fleets consistently (~800-1000 pilots), and they're struggling to fill 2. Meanwhile the same couple dozen people are repping all of Fountain night after night after night.It's interesting that the focus is moving to smaller-ship doctrines, but makes sense given the massive number of battleships they've lost in the past two months. Even if they have the ISK (which N3 does, but TEST does not), the sheer logistics of moving 3000 battleships/month is challenging.
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dude remember almost all fighs take place in AU/TZ or late US....EU does all the work...we fu...beg for some action in EU TZ :(
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"The N3 members are fighting in other mans territory in a war against a coalition most of them have lost from once before"You may need a lesson in the ways of grudges, which are probably far more satisfying then virtual moons and income.
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N3 is apparently more then eager to lend a hand in said lesson
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You're a dumbass. If they roll over test, they will start poaching our sweet renter space. This is the best time to try roll them back, while we technically have allies.
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Mister Hyde will be so sad, youve said nothing about using ~~His pro tachcat doctrine~~Dont you know it's fucking pro man?! SO GOOD~~
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Two alliance updates from the opposition in as many days, both saying the same thing: the inability to fill even modestly sized fleet requests. Also, the offensive is going so well we cant even get 5 carriers to rep all the structures being reinforced every day. But hey, we retook all the sov TEST lost in the ass end of Fountain that wasn't even contested. Hooray. We're not losing fast enough.
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CFC is not intrested in N3 space as far as I know, they just want the moons of fountain, N3 can have their little renter/pet empire, nobody but the russians want that.Heck, the CFC is most likely not even going to invade Delve afterwards to finish kill TEST, they don't care about that.
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Just looking at the statistics, some of the alliances making up N3 seem to have gained a *huge* amount of sov recently. Definitely not a coalition I would want eyeing my space.
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They recently retook all the SOV they lost to a disgruntled director disbanding two of their renter/pet alliances, they didn't face opposition or anything so it was a quick grind for most systems.The harderst part for them was grinding down stations, for the most part they could just anchor TCU's everywhere.All in all not an indication for how much prowess they posses.
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looks like n3 is going to burn then
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Getting dizzy yet? Look here; you can't argue with numbers. The CFC has gained what, a few systems in the fountain war so far?
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they already owned those systems really.
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You'd think that if you've got less pilots, then sticking them in bigger and more pewpew ships would be a good idea, right?
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And Goonswarm at one point owned Delve, but look what region they're currently gunning for?
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N3 just wants to stop CFC because they know it will be easy to take Fountain from TEST. In the end no one respects TEST and someone is going to snatch Fountain from them (probably their current allies).So far the fights have come from PL, BL, and N3. TEST has just been a meat shield in front of them and both sides know it.
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Yeah. Even if CFC bugs out (I dunno, tribute needs saving or something?) Fountain simply does not belong to test anymore no matter what those sov markers say. N3 will want a slice of it. PL will want to expand its available rental space. 401K will probably want some , not that 401k is in any position to givee anyone orders lol. And of course BL might want some moons regardless of who wins and might even be in enough of a position of strength to demand it.The quicker test realise that the quicker they realise that even if they win, they are still doomed to lose fountain.
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I've been wondering about this for a while. If Fountain falls, what becomes of Delve?
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TEST member here x'ing up to proudly cradle and lick Richter's balls.None of this would be happening without N3 and PL.
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I like your tinfoil hat.
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Lol, what a fanboy!
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Your contribution has been noted, you will now be processed for termination, have a nice day.
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Depends on how many R64s it has compared to how many we want.
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What is broken about moons?
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TEST must be full of grade school morons. Got moons? lol
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But But you are fighting the worste monkeys in Eve ? We the CFC pose no oposition ? we would be farmed ? VFK in June ? Where are these Elite pvp coalitions that would farm CFC ?Even when we are outnumberd we hold the line - 3to1 and you cant even kill us lololol ?What happend ?Are you not entertainted ?
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Thank you for bringing that post to my attention, poster has been dealt with.
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You are trolling too close to the sun. Ping me on jabber and pay me troll rent so I don't ban you.
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What goes unspoken here, is N3's fear of us rolling fountain, then teaming up with the unified RUS to bring the paintrain.
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Don't break your question mark button idiot.
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True
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<3 N3... I love flying with ya'll. Even if we lose ground, as far as I'm concerned, if I've caused at least one goon corpse to float in the cold darkness of interstellar space, then mission accomplished.
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Oh the irony of Nulli copying a CFC fleet. Grath rages last week, Nulli copies CFC this week, Test taking donations from its members, what more could I ask for? (Well alot actually, but this will do).
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Isn't it funny how the speech starts out with how awesome it is that they re-flipped four systems that were useless to the CFC, and then kinda tacks on as an afterthought the fact that the key system of 4-E is still in CFC hands? And yes I know, "didn't want that system anyways hurf blurf abloobloo". The fight in Z9PP resulted in the CFC being denied the system for a few days, so losing all those caps was actually a win right? Get a clue, dotlan watchers.Also according to Marlona Sky the end of the CFC is near, as their only station in Fountain is on the verge of being lost... oh wait. Seriously, propaganda only works when it slants reality. If your line members think you are just bullshitting them it doesn't help to declare that the death of your enemy is at hand because they aren't winning fast enough.
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That's partly because most of the people were clueless to begin with. The last time CFC had blues outside of the CFC was the war against SoCo, which was definitely an "allies of convenience to crush a common enemy" thing. Once that was done, all those people were reset.If anything the "blue donut" thing came from the existence of the HBC. Test was blueing up anyone and everyone who'd smile at them, at a point in time when the CFC had no reason to actively fight them. But the HBC disintegrated, nobody had Solar blue anyways... the whole "blueing everyone" meme was really BS. Just the peanut gallery sad that other people weren't fighting major wars for their amusement.
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In which case N3 would be fighing TEST who waxed their ass and sent them to Faction Warfare last year.
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I love the utter dedication that N3 is wanting to show. Bloc wars require changing the way you play for a while (ie, if you were having fun before, stop that right now). We're going all in or we burn. (ie if you have any real life commitments, cancel them now because your internet spaceship bros need you man).I'm loving this war. Long may it continue.
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with the help of..come on, you can do it. make that logical leap.*the rest of this post turned into a longass explanation of the general mood of nulli towards the non-CFC participants of the 2012 delve war, not counting RA because they arent people. sorry for the length, but it's better than explaining things in two lines and missing nuances imo.prior to the accidental invasion of 2012, we had a surprisingly healthy frenemy-type relationship with TEST. we didnt cloaky camp one another, arranged fights happened on occasion, we even hosted one of their FCs for a while in an 'exchange program' or some crazy shit for a little while (Xystance). using your same logic, we should also hate PL, so i'll nip that in the bud: our friendship with NCdot has given us reason and method to do something besides shoot and be shot at PL, and quite a few of us find them to be actually quite nice fellows. (Richter, i would note, convinced me to buy my current mouse during the R3P0 siege. it works great, logitech G500 people.)many of our leadership and older members are ex-IT, or were in S2N when it was an IT pet. we also have elements of X13/RDN. and other very old grudges, all with goonswarm and their minions. some people say bygones be bygones, but at least the parts of nulli that i speak with is of the mindset that letting old grudges go will simply result in new problems, all with the little bee stamped onto them.i guess the TL:DR is that the grudges with goons are older, far more bitter, and never, ever going away. generally, the resentment in Nulli (and i suppose N3) of TEST and PL for their involvement in nulli's 'down'fall (really a step up, once we got out of being awful in FW (comets, progod? =/)) has dissipated, if it ever existed.
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there's enough kugu posters in N3 leadership that i highly doubt N3 would not retain a VR memorial station or two. i know Jean Leaner at least would make noise.
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the CFC invaded Fountain, ostensibly, over moon income. TEST is defending it because it's their space? But what do NCDOT and 4O1k want? Revenge. And they won't find that in Fountain. This war has a history behind it.
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"Blue donuts" usually incur moderator wrath.
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he's trolling you idiot. he's in goonswarm.
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Well sorry, I don't know who or who's not in Goonswarm.
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Fuck Test and Fuck Goons... Get your arses home to the drone lands and fight the far more intelligent and smarter enemy that is SOLAR.You mention that wallets are fine - nice to be you!PG Wanker you need to Get the fuck home and take my fucking moon s back - my alliance is fucking broke!!- N3 Cannon Fodder
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Just ask RA how it ends when you invite N3/PL and others to your war.The comments from TEST's allies are very similar to the way these guys regarded RA.
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http://evewho.com/pilot/Garr+K...Former GSF on that pilot at least. A shame, he'd make excellent WiDot material.
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To what, "Long Live Snowden" or something? "Save Wikileaks"?
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good ideas :)
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I disagree. They will want to keep a slice of test space and moons regardless of how biased they are against goons. Just kicking goons out of fountain is not enough to justify the losses they are taking. At the deepest level, it's always about money. "Revenge" is usually used as a justification.
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FRESH NEWS:Wicked Princess disbanded ncdot with a spy altcheck dotlan!
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90% of moons retaken? Please provide a detailed list, or stop making numbers up.So hrmm, bunch of moons taken, bunch of systems taken, fleets dumped all over left and right, Test can't pay their reimbursement, and soon the CFC will have a jump bridge to a station system in Fountain. Sure looks like winning to me... just the slow grind of sov warfare, not a few week's worth of fireworks and the war is over. Do you really have no idea how many months this sort of thing normally takes?
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All it will take is for one Goon pet alliance to crumble ie FA. Then the rest will follow...The Eve community sends it's regards.
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401K, maybe. But I'm not convinced NC's motivation is much beyond whats increasingly looking like a miscalculation as to who would win and thus be best to side with. I mean lets be honest, the whole "We started up to fight the goons" thing is a bit revisionist , if we're *really* talking about history.401K, yeah I get it, they probably really do hate theg goons, but I'm not really interested in them much because their sun has set. Molles just going through the motion like a cranky old vietnam vet leaping for the revolver everytime a police helicopter flies overhead.I just don't see this thing being anything other than "strings attached" for whatever the outcome is. Goons can pay their debts if they win, they'll have a whole new region in need of friendly caretakers (cos fuck maintaining yet another a region yourself. PL has the right idea for this sort of swindle) to pay off allies with. Test? I'm not sure what they have to offer anymore other than shitty cat macros in local. I mean their not even pulling off numbers anymore, so they aint much good for low sp battlefield zerg.Regardless, Its all moot at this stage. The writings on the wall for this war.

(Editor's Note: Alliance Updates are aimed at internal audiences and usually are considered the gospel truth by their membership but vile propaganda by everybody else. We really shouldn't need to keep adding these disclaimers. This one comes to us via Progodlegend.)

All of the station systems Sort Dragon dropped sov on and handed to the CFC have been recovered and are back in TEST's hands, as are a majority of the moons lost before our arrival. The only station left in Fountain owned by the CFC is 4-EP, which is also a station they happened to drop at the start of this war. Suffice to say we're making excellent defensive progress and need to keep building on this. If we can keep rolling back the CFC's modest gains, we can begin taking the fight to their own territory and really drive home what a monumental miscalculation Mittani & Co. made by kicking off this Fountain campaign.

Now, this is one of the big elephants in the room, so we may as well deal with it now. On July 2nd, we had a potentially major setback — a rogue alliance director who had been inactive decided to make an exit by robbing our July rental payments to date, then disbanded both S2N Citizens and Nulli Legio. Over 200 systems simultaneously dropped sov, including roughly 50 stations. This is something that could have easily been a deathblow to the war effort in Fountain, and it is only through the absolutely heroic efforts of both our coalition and PL that we managed such a miraculously swift recovery. In under 6 hours, all of the stations had been flipped to friendly hands. Within a day, we had reclaimed most of the sov that had dropped. We’re still in the process of moving it all over to the new rental alliance, but the recovery we made was incredible. I’d like to thank all of N3, TEST, PL, and everyone else who helped grind and/or donated large quantities of TCUs to help get the space re-secured. The sheer scale of this feat was utterly unprecedented in EVE history, and everybody who pitched in should feel justifiably proud.

While we were east taking care of the home front, the CFC used this as an opportunity to stop grinding in bombers and decided to bring their capital fleet out of mothballs. They reinforced twenty systems during this offensive sprint. Within 24 hours we were back on the front, and in another extremely impressive showing, 19 of the 20 systems were saved the next day. Excellent work, guys.

Of course, since good things cannot last forever and I have a tendency to smug really hard right before things take a turn for the worst, we subsequently suffered a series of stinging rebukes. Over two days we lost two Domi fleets hilariously to bombs, TEST lost roughly 30 carriers, and another 200 Rokhs died. If you want a proper summary of the entire Z9PP clusterfuck, PL's Manfred Sidious did an excellent writeup that can be read here. It was a horrible string of days that we only got out of without completely losing TEST's ass due to CCP having such fat fingers that they hit Q instead of Z. In short, we got damn lucky, but we'll take it — luck's as good as skill on the battlefield. Losses or no, the war continues.

In happier news, the Aussie TZ has been driving all before it, in no small part due to the much-beloved Canaris Roshaak. He's been putting our Dominix fleet to good use and has dunked every CFC FC who has faced him. That’s not to say we haven't had our fair share of bad times in AU: I welped two Rokh fleets in the past week, though I did get my revenge the next night in both cases. Despite these incidents, we've won far more than we've lost in the AUTZ, with Domis being dominant and even managing to kill an anchoring station egg. This is only the third time an egg has been cracked in EVE's history, and the two previous losses were in 2005 and 2006 by scrubby sixth-rate alliances nobody bothers remembering these days. To not put too fine a point on things, it takes some rare skill to fuck up this badly. Our coalition's investment in the AUTZ is paying off in spades, and we anticipate yet more audacious deeds from this merry band of brigands in the weeks and months ahead.

Financial Issues?

The big question here is obviously going to be "are we broke?" The answer is simple: no. We're covered for this month, and due to everybody's strenuous efforts, things will be back to mostly-normal in August.

Current Issues

Fleet numbers are down across the coalition, and this needs to be fixed. Guys, this is an amazing war with more fights and content than I’ve ever seen before. Step up and get involved in the brawling. X up for fleets. I promise our FCs will stop being silly and warping fleets of BS to gates unscouted and dying horribly to 50 bombers (gg). We need max numbers all the time to win this. We as a coalition should easily be maxing out two fleets and have a fleet of bombers/gokufleet and have an overflow ewar fleet to throw at any fight we want in the EUTZ, but so far we’re struggling to fill that second fleet.

So stop fucking around and let’s all step up our game so we can make this happen. Block wars of this magnitude literally require you to modify the way you play the game for a while. Everyone lives in our form up system, everyone is on jabber, everyone responds to jabber pings when they can and gets in fleets that are being put up around the clock. That's how we are going to be able to win this war.

Yes, blueballs suck, but those blueballed fleets don’t take too long due to us having uncontested capital superiority. When the CFC decides to claim spurious "tactical victories" by wasting their members' time, we get to unleash our big guns and let them do all the heavy lifting. The CFC can spend hours grinding ihubs in bombers all they want; we'll do it in five minutes — but only if we can get the crucial subcap support the supers need to safely operate. Every man, woman, and (man)child counts towards final victory! Only together can we smack the smarmy sneer off Mittens' smug face.

Why We Fight

I'd like to make something perfectly and unambiguously clear to everybody, so pay close attention to this part. The entire reason N3 as a coalition was formed was in anticipation of this war. This is literally our raison d'etre. Grinding Russians out of the east, setting up a rental empire, fucking around on deployments around the map — all of these things were simply preparatory steps on the path towards today's events. If we can't do this, we're fucked in just about every sense imaginable. So pull out all the stops, put everything on the line, play all our cards, leave nothing for tomorrow; whatever trite adage you prefer, the bottom line is that this is the one war in which we simply cannot hold anything back.

Either every single member of every single alliance in our bloc goes all-in for the duration, or we burn.

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