WAR: CFC Invades Fountain

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It's always about ISK. Always.
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"We'll give them fights. That'll show them" is what I'm hearing from a lot of CFC bros. I welcome your invasion. I just wish people wouldn't treat this as some huge horrible thing, honestly this is something that should have happened a while back. Hopefully both sides will get some good fights.
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I've got some delicious Koolaid for you to drink if you still think that any drama related to FA vs TEST is relevant. And a news flash. TEST bitched about FA in an attempt to burn bridges. Nothing in that conflict mattered at all, it was just a pissing contest. But you stayed strong and expanded on that base to ensure that nearly every nullsec entity in Eve said "Dude, sit the fuck down." Now look at the position you're in. Hope you didn't want that space anyway, cause this won't be as fun for you as it is for all of us.
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If by owning you mean losing hilariously even when you have the advantage, then yes, you're right.
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They can have it :3:
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Why on earth would RvB or Eve uni get involved in any of this? But sure, go ahead and stuff your fleets with another 200 tech 1 frigates and destroyers. They die to bombs just as well as yours do. Every rifter counts, friend. Unless it comes from RvB, who don't play the nullsec combat game.
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Extremely valuable gas clouds have been discovered in the Pegasus constellation which have created a gold rush. ORE was quick to claim 'ownership' as the constellation borders its sovereign space, but the Serpentis and the Syndicate, as well as multiple entrepeneurs from the Gallente Federation, have all claimed their own piece of the pie. Inevitably collisions have occurred and the constellation has become a sort of 'warzone' between various groups of greedy claimants.
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Could this get any more pathetic? "Hell yeah I'll show them with my sick burn!" "Dude no one likes 230au warps in a region with nothing worth taking, venal sucks" "...yeah but we're gonna take your space.. doesnt that make you mad?"BoB was a terrible organization with poor leadership and oh dear god finfleet. Your attack would fold faster than IRC's defense.
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The TEST we see currently is a far cry from the TEST that lived into the Test-a-gram or even the TEST that moved into Fountain after IT fell.
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hope so killing bob again will be fun how many times is it now 4,5,6???
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FIX BAYONETS! Good speech though ;-)
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it's a game, there are no bridges burnt up between whole entities, you just have to remove key persons from both entities and all will be bro-land again
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Waiting on the titan usually means there are caps doing things right at that moment. And you know what they're doing ? Correct, they're taking your region.
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its not easy, after this war only 2 parties will be left on the map. eve is dead, long live wow.
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Thomas Sowell (in Conflict of Visions) has argued that large political conflicts that seem to have obvious ideological motivations (visions) are very often really caused by very pragmatic realpolitik (interests), and (vice versa), seemingly convoluted economic conflicts often have ideological differences at their roots. But in this case I'm inclined to accept The Mittani's claim that this is a war for oil and nothing more; that it is a conflict of interests, not of visions.Or rather, I'm inclined to accept that this is about goo and circuses, as well. Bored goons are not a good thing for anyone. :)
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Umm there is nothing in this situation that resembles the Red Wedding. We ain't coming as friends we're coming to take your shit.
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"We aren't going to demonize TEST"A bit late for that isn't it?
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I can haz Koolaid?
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For once I agree with you
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"Men's Rights must be protected at all costs" - Mahatma Gandhi, at the Battle of Bunker Hill, 1941 BC
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Okay I don't need to go over why this is bad do I? I guess I do!Depletion basically sets a hard value on any individual moon which diminishes over time. So after you've mined it long enough, it won't be worth defending. This idea would only discourage fights over moons.
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Invest trillions. Cause you're destitute...I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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1200 people in VFK on the day of the invasion is pretty pathetic to be honest, considering the entire CFC was called there.
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You can only hope so, because the north will burn while you are south and there is nothing to go back to if you loose this.
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look at you being all passive aggressive xd
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So this is why JOHNSON wrote that piece. Well. Hilariously obvious, and a bit below the belt, but anything goes in love and war.
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en24 is leaking
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1. We aren't defending so numbers are expected to be lower.2. This was EU TZ announcement and first EU TZ convoy. EU TZ is strongest but not the only one.3. Convoys will be running for several days because no one expects huge fights right after the invasion SOTG. Probably because...4. ...there are no 1200 TEST defending Fountain.
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The entire collected CFC fleet can't even protect their ships against some newbies in thrashers.What once started in cheap ships and going up against the big guy will end in a graveyard of faction battleships and T3 ships, chasing after moons who wont be worth something after the next patch.Once CCP realizes they can force war in EVE by doing things like that, do you really believe they will not use the carrot again and again until it stops working?
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only 1000 actually made it to cloud ring vOv
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I could tell you the other test bomber FCs, but why make it easier? Bombing is easy now and we have a dozen other fcs that do it.
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the entire collected test fleet with slowcats couldn't protect their ships against some autists in T3sget owned some more
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yeah i forgot how they still hold space
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We have experienced FCs for all of those fleets. and experience is no match for proficiency.We dealt with -A- and ncdot for much longer than a few days and numbers only went up.
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I see you too have found the new mittaniword of the month
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I like how you find it significant to invade the largest alliance in the game with your 35000 best friends
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It;s funny when you realise the entire cfc has been losing consistently against even less t3s
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As someone who just spent countless hours scanning moons I would like to kindly say, "Fuck You"!
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Well this is certainly a rousing message. Makes me actually want to get off my PVE butt and get out there and tackle something.
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We didn't need too, you did it yourselves in short order. CFC has done nothing to demonize you other than sit back and let you self destruct to a point where your members consider Kugu posts of "lol what did you expect was gonna happen" as demonizing your alliance. Hell, even DJs article only uses test as an example because WELP you have shitty leadership that rivaled ~A~ for ineptitude, and he was still working at CCP when that whole shindig went down.
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I am kind of looking for a narrative here, I guess, but the purely economic rationale is the only one that makes sense. A few months ago, Monty brought his coalition to the brink of war, and nothing happened. Here we are, two days after Odyssey dropped, and I find this: http://raynor.cl/s/PFF9CW8 after a handful of jumps.If all this is the result of resource rebalancing -- and that only -- I have no idea what Eve is going to look like a month from now.That's pretty cool.
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We PL and NCdot are blue with CFC.Grath TalkinMakalu ZaryaKaesong guysSENDS THEIR REGARDS
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Confirming that grey is a shade of blue. Also confirming that Grath rules.
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Yeah, we knew what an invasion looked like. We just noticed it before you did.
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No amount of cock sucking that Triget does will save his space
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upboat lel
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Every node everywhere else, however, was not reinforced.
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You cannot outblob Test.
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Quit trollin.
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Blue the new term for deep throating.
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Oh, wow, what an INCREDIBLE surprise!
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Goons was able to get every node to their staging system reinforced?And we couldn't even get a system fucken system to reinforced... The fuck...
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Your leadership has played boogieman with everything under the sun. TEST has been a major talking point since Montolio "threatened" the CFC.Come at us brotatos. Even if we roll over to you, it will still be fun finally having a real reason to grr GOON rather than this shitty meta-play that spacemaster Mittens thinks he's fooling people with.Hint: No one in TEST buys the "your leadership is fucking up" and "LOL THEY'RE ALL EVACING" one bit. There is strong solidarity with those in charge frankly because of the blatant bullshit from Endie & co has hardened. Most of us are familiar with that meta-play anyway - having seen it done against BoB, Nulli, and -A-.
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Are you still mad that everybody thinks your Tachcats are shit, Hyde?
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Tired of repetitively taking it in the face by BL, CFC instead turns around to take it in the butt.
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"NICE SPACE- ILL TAKE IT" Goons could use bobs old catchphrase
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Newgoons chanting 6VDT by next week are going to be rudely awaken
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In the land of the blind....
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I'm not in TEST you shithead.
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The value of moons is shuffled around?
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We shall need to ask CCP to reshuffle moons again :-)
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Skex, Richter may sound like a TESTie slightly madder than the rest - and indeed he was a very mad one less than three months ago - but he jumped ship and now he's in PL, where the self important people always end up.You can't take his shit anymore: with his defection, he freed himself from the chains of sovereignty.
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Wow, I cant beleive I'm rooting for TEST Alliance Please Ignore in a war; I guess I just dislike Goonswarm and NC. more.
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Listening to dbrb and shooting only structures for days and weeks on end is your kind of fun?Ok, everyone his own kinks, I guess.This is the same grinding that was deemed "unreasonably boring" by Mittens and Shadoo when they came up with the idea of the soft reset and goodfights. Yeah, sure.
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Let me know how test's reimbursements payouts are working out...
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His dog is dead.Show some respect, you piece of drooling asslicking shit.
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Depletion is not a bad idea but would be impossible to put into the game. Maybe moon harvesting needs to be more like PI;
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Oh Testicles the shithawks have flown, the winds are rising and the shit-a-cane shall blow your house down, Never not screw your blues over 070707m8m8m8
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I seriously question the sincerity of the Goonswarm Federation, after hearing about how they're DDOSing TEST's jabber to hell.Jabber is used by a lot of the alliances, and a willingness to disrupt the communication function outside of the game ...Isn't that just taking things in RL a little too seriously? Every time I hear about things like these, I die a little inside., When this is supposed to be a game - a GAME, for chriss'sake, it's not something to be DDOSing someone's servers over.And the fact that nobody - on either TEST or Goon sides - is trying to stop the DDOS, is indicative that people are accepting the use of DDOS as a legitimate weapon in a sov war. If this turns out to be true, holy fuck, you guys have fallen a long way.
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Confirming that Roderick Grey is in TEST.
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War. War never changes.
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So where changing from blue donut to blue retarded figure of eight ?
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if you think test is going to go to fountain for more than goodfites you're crazy
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You mean QPO, the one everyone knows about?You don't need to call it ~the other system~ when it's a system that every entity in Eve knows about.
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Blue doughnut m8m8m8.Kill yourself IRL. This shit is getting pathetic. CFC is on very fragile good terms with NC. PL is a wildcard, Solar and DD are still out there, CVA will never go away, HBC is somehow still around, and this mythical Bob19 or whatever number we're up to made up of finfleet and 401k and their ilk. And thats just to name a few, 0.0 is still a very interesting place. CFC is just Large, and you dont like how large it is.
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He did mention this was his dogs' first taking of a region.
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That's pretty much what it said, so I guess so.
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Interesting message, and of course of all people to post it. :)
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the sudetenland was full of Germans (of a 3.6m total population, 2.9m were German, 0.7m were Czechs) many of whom were looking forward to being annexed...those who opposed the annexation were most often opposed because they disliked the nazis or because of the political tensions the annexation would create and the exposed position of the Sudetenland (they feared being the first casualty in a war). they didn't oppose the annexation because they were considering themselves Czechs rather than Germans. The lack of integration of the ethnic Germans into Czech culture was almost total.(half of my family is from Danzig/Dansk while the other half is from Bessarabia - same thing happened there: the Germans were very careful not to mesh with the Poles (in former Prussian territories) or the Romanians/Ukrainians (in Bessarabia). In Bessarabia they had their own villages, their own schools, their own churches, their own administration, ... despite having lived as a tiny minority in a Romanian country for well over a hundred years, the only hint of adaption to the local culture being some of their food...)
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AGAIN some retard from CCP said players from CFC where new goo moons spawn.
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Ah yes, if TEST was in providence we wouldn't be invading.I see why CVA will "never" go away. Until/unless they get a "windfall" of moons.
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It's ok. We have a Boat, which is BIG and RED. Victory over structures is assured.
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It also means you get to listen to Boat stories. Because clearly he isn't FCing the capitals.
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isnt techfleet an alpha composition too Oo ???
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It still works on the concept of "alpha'ing the target", yes, but Alphafleet is simply a fleet composition name to the CFC, comprising primarily of Maelstroms and Rokhs plus support, but most notably, it is a shield-based doctrine. Techfleet works on the same principles as Alphafleet, but is armour-based, and named Techfleet because it was developed under the ridiculous income provided by Tech moons that allowed the CFC to employ more expensive faction hulls.
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Meanwhile, goons hurl their "totally not pet" allies under the bus.
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If you genuinely believe Goonswarm is being helped by the developers, then you are a special kind of retarded and nothing I can tell you will help that. With that said, I was a director in Goonswarm, but no longer play EVE (I simply check back on TMC every now and then to see how they're getting on). What I will tell you though is this... Goonswarm is better organised and significantly more efficient than most modern day businesses when it comes to 'getting shit done'. Do not underestimate the logistics and scouting teams in the CFC, they are incredibly good.
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In a year time Test managed to fuck over their bro's and even wanted to purge them from Eve with HBC / PL / NCDOT.Then they managed to blow up their whole coalition with shit leaders.They also managed to protect Raiden. who dint give a flying fuck about Test or HBC to begin with.But hey better defend our new broski's with a subpar capital fleet to chickenshit to show up for fleets.Then you spit in Mittani's face by leaking logs to boot Raiden.It was the straw that broke the camels back.Now you stand in the corner with only Tribel Band left.All this within a year time.Old Test was awesome, New Test is backstabbing scum.Curious to see how those 1400 men fleets will be reduced to ashes and numbers start to dwindle to 500 men fleets :PI know for a fact that many testies aint happy with all that shit the leaders pulled off in 1 year.From being best of bro's to backstabbers.Goodluck and may lady fortune stand on your site on this one, altough the gods of war are standing on your doorstep.o/
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minmatar Fw-dudes will love cfc
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Depleting and respawning moons could be done in one of two ways, and they are both bad.The moon depleted moons could be coded to respawn in the same region, maintaining rich and poor regions. This means that it's always good to own a rich area, and they are worth fighting over. But really the despawning just adds an annoyance factor of moving towers. It won't ignite any wars. It will just mean a slightly higher consumption of moon probes to find the money moon each time it despawns.The other option is that the moons respawn randomly across the map. The downside here is that over time null will become homogenous. Every region have it's fair sprinkling of moons. There are no rich areas and poor areas. There is no concept of "leave our poor area and take the rich area from those other guys" because all areas are basically equivalent and the end result is just one less reason to go to war.If null goes stagnant, then they need to add is a way for roaming gangs to fuck with the moon mining. Shoot the tower, hack the silo, steal the goo. Something along those lines will create a lot of pixel rage, and pixel rage often leads to war.
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That last paragraph is retarded, and you should feel bad.What do you expect the 'victim' (for want of a better word) to do? Invade all that sov that pizza holds? Call a crusade on the regions owned by random NPC 0.0 dwelling alliances?The people that would exploit this are those with nothing concrete to lose. All this would do is make what is already a mind-numbingly teious and godawful task - POS logistics on an alliance scale - even more godawful, and help strip alliances of income, which in turn strips alliances of the greatest enabler of all - a good SRP program.
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oh dont worry boy...1200 ppl in vfk alone is what matters. not every alliance convoyed up from vfk :)
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As always a great speech, Mittens. I don't know how you do it, but it fortifies ones belief in victory. I'll be bringing along no less than 3 TFI's and go to work. We have great FC's, whom I have absolut trust in. This may be a long and hard war, but energy is high, hopefully for all of us and we will be victorious :).
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Seriously? I mean, he didn't even get this one guy to kill himself. Even if you consider spaceship kills, hitler is still far ahead of the mittani.
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CVA did get wiped off the map when Dominion changes added Ihub upgrades, allowing even crap space to have good ratting with Anoms. Once the Anoms were nerfed, suddenly CVA returned. Providence is safe to be a roleplayer fishbowl precisely because no one else wants it.
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Please don't can I haz, ever.
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This is actually code for 'TESTs reimbursement team is behind by a trillion ISK, so we need the unwashed masses to finance our defense'.
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I don't think people realize how granular the scouts were CFC wide when the patch hit.Everyone was prepped.
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So CCP finally fixed sovereignty, ROFL
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Will they keep welping before ever getting on field?
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The only thing we are interested in is your moons. and to get them we will make EVE a soul crushingly horrible game for you to play so that you stop logging in.Good luck, Redditor.
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Why would anyone else get involved?For gudfites! And, you know, goons aren't exactly the best loved group.
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And that's why you dont listen to ennemy propaganda and dont push your leader out when he tells you to attack your largest ennemy. TEST had it coming, every competant person left that bloated piece of shit weeks or months ago.
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This is a war for our way of life! We must be free to lose ratting carriers and fly blingfleet doctrines with full reimbursement!
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Lets not hope TEST space is the new Poland ><
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you don't know what we actually did :colbert:
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Totally neutral comment, not implying anything:Isn't the heading picture a titan gang pre V3-graphics?The Avatars seem a bit too bright to be a recent pic.
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Sweet!
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Looks like :D
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We sure couldn't, when we couldn't get a node reinforced (but you goons got your entire move op reinforced), when we couldn't log in (but you guys sure could achieve your strategic objectives while we were forced offline). How elite of you!
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So they've already been wiped out before, I should have known this. I stand corrected.
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The message is "haha we took space no one wants"The north is trash now, time to move on
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There are hundreds of thousands of mineable moons in the game. The odds aren't in your favor if you just have "dead moons" towered.
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They're like the new 'CCP favored' bob and their leader is CCP's lapdog. Cool game bro.* Mittani; The only non-goons that don't think you're a total douche are the tens of thousands of eve players who dont know/care who you are.* Goonswarm ruins games.* Just die again and *stay dead* this time.
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could just homogeneously spread them out so that in order to control all the good moons you realistically need to control everything.
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You just contradicted yourself moron.
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I'm actually not because I'm always right. I could tell you why you're probably confused, but I'll just say that you're fucking clueless about moon mining and you probably think that you could tower thousands of moons like it's some sort of lottery ticket because you've probably never done any POS stuff at all, much like all of the other stupid fucks who think that moon depletion is the best idea ever
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There is also a third option, in which moons respawn in the same region, but each region has a "moon rate" which changes over time. Thus, the moon-rich region you took a year ago might now be relatively poor, whereas what was once a backwater next door might now be economically prosperous. This would keep null diverse without keeping it stagnant.
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This, except unironically,
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That's pique
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It's not the entire CFC deploying Razor have decided they are special snow flakes and their leadership seem to have forgotten who helped them take space.
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yes, thanks
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thats nm in outer ring if anyone is wondering
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I guess really, the truth is most of TEST are playing "warfame" ..... No one cares about eve anymore, it's become a console game in all but name.

Just a short time ago, CFC Supreme Overlord The Mittani called for a State of the Goonion. He gave the following speech:

Welcome to our fellow Goons, our CFC coalition partners, our frenemies, our temporary allies of convenience, and even to our enemies - thank you for coming today. I’ll keep it brief.

My people, Odyssey has come - and it has left us destitute.

For the past few years our coalition has become accustomed to a lifestyle that is the envy of EVE. Due to technetium and sound fiscal management, we have been able to fund a peacetime reimbursement system, carrier giveaways, and galaxy-changing events like Burn Jita and the Ice Interdictions. But now that has all changed.

Odyssey has stripped the value of our regions. To compensate, other alliances have set up rental programs, something that we despise. Our finance team - the best in the game - tells me that in order for us to uphold our social programs, we must acquire more than fifty new R64s for the coalition.

We attempted to solve this problem diplomatically by killing Raiden in Querious, but we were rebuffed - in some diplomatic shenanigans best glossed over.

Wars in EVE - and in the real world - begin with a declaration of grievance, followed by a quest for justice. The enemy did a bad thing to us, and now we must go after them to redress the balance; they are bad people and need to be punished. White Noise DDOS’d our servers, so we took Branch. Raiden abused Titan blobs against our people, so we took Tenal. NCdot violated a treaty, so we took Tribute. So it goes.

Just as the aggressor claims a grievance against the defender and demonizes them, the defender inevitably claims that the reasons stated for the war are a lie, and that the motives for the war are a crass manipulation of politics. We are being attacked just for money, for space, for greed, say the defenders: the aggressors are lying shills. We have seen this drama played out for every war, on every EVE-O thread, on every Kugu thread.

Tonight we are invading Fountain. But we are not going to bother with stating a grievance or demonizing the defender - We are doing it because we need the region and its moons for our people and our friends.

TEST has abruptly found itself in an untenable position as a sovholding alliance - in its current space, at least. Odyssey has vastly enriched the Southwest, while simultaneously there have been a series of unfortunate errors which has alienated most of their former allies, many of whom are now actively attacking them.

From the northeast, NCdot is taking Querious. From the Northwest, the CFC is taking Fountain. From the southeast, the former HBC is now exploring assaults on Period Basis.

You may have read some political dramas on Kugutsumen involving TEST. You may have expected us to dig deep into these dramas, to point fingers, scold, or find offense. Yet the hard fact is that we would not be going to war against TEST if they were living in Providence.

What is happening now in the Southwest is a mass land grab motivated by economic pressure and diplomatic realignment: the owners of the richest space in the game have managed to politically isolate themselves and turn their strongest allies into enemies in a matter of weeks. Meanwhile, the Russian forces in the southeast are putting pressure on the former HBC to find new homes in the southwest.

Who is right and who is wrong doesn’t really matter: if we do not invade Fountain, someone else will - and they will enjoy the kind of wealth that we once had, while we wallow in wrenching poverty.

We are now about to send our fleets to the invasion zone. Before we do, some important details:

  • This is a CFC invasion, which means that we will be judging participation as a basis for spoils and moons will be distributed accordingly; Fountain will be held under GSF sov, but will be free-for-all mining and ratting for the entire CFC to enjoy.

  • Move as much as you can in your carriers; this will not be an easy war, so take two or three trips with your carrier if you have to.

  • We will not be using Alphafleet in this campaign. Do not bring Maelstroms or Rokhs to the invasion zone. Alphafleet will not be formed under any circumstances.

  • We are adding an armor Loki doctrine to our roster. If you want to be ahead of the curve, begin training for Lokis now. This means that the primary CFC doctrines will be Techfleet, Tengufleet, Fuckyoufleet, and Lokis.

  • We are considering adding Caracalfleet as an official doctrine for casual fleets, skirmish gangs, and for players interested in learning how to FC: it is powerful, is flown in the same style as a Tengufleet, yet durable and inexpensive.

  • Subcaps: Each CFC alliance will be forming an alliance-only fleet to move to the staging area for those of you who do not have carriers. Fleet up, get in an op channel on mumble, and get moving.

  • Mandatory doctrines for this campaign will be Tengufleet, Techfleet and Fuckyoufleet, but some CFC alliances will be bringing alliance-specific doctrines such as AHACs. Alphafleet WILL NOT be used, do not bring a Maelstrom under any circumstances.

  • There are ships available on contract in B-D if you cannot find enough ships in VFK. You are invited to help stock B-D if you wish to supply the invasion, on top of what already exists.

Now we go to war. There will be no Q&A session. Every node en route to the staging area has been reinforced to make way for our coming. Our goal is now to get the CFC staged and commence siegework as soon as possible.

Ops will continue into the late US timezone.

One final note: do not underestimate the defenders. This may be a long war, and we have grown soft from too much peace.

Thank you for coming tonight. Good luck to all of us, and I will see you in fleet.

Following the speech, CFC fleets made their way to Fountain to begin the invasion.

Writer. Twitter: @AlizabethVea