TRIBE Coup Retrospective: Triumvirates and Leeches

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Like most alliances we have had our growing pains, and I'm sure there will be more. I do believe that we have come through this last month in quite good shape however. Hell, this morning in AU TZ we pulled fleet numbers for a POS bash that, 6 months ago we wouldn't have gotten in EU/US primetime. If fleet participation is an indicator of Alliance health, (and I believe that though it is one indicator, its not the only one) then despite the perception that much of Eve is rooting for us to fail, I believe that we are doing quite well. Tribe is here to stay.
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Razor has has a troika system with 3 CEO's taking charge of the alliance it has worked out for the past 5-6 years, dont count space democracy out all the time,
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Triumvirate/1 man dictatorship/a dozen wise prophets eviscerating chickens and reading the entrails... the governance system you pick doesn't matter, what matters if you need to have a success plan.
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I've rarely seen a group as incompetent as Tribe. Every night they form up a fleet against us and every night they die horribly in a ball of fire.
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I have no idea how people, time and time again, can call a troika "democracy"Those are not even remotely the same thing v0v
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Ofc you haven't seen a group that incompetent. They're the best. In being bad.
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The leadership style has jack shit to why this Alliance is awful. If your corporation recruitment standards are "Can they press the accept button?", your alliance is going to be shit.
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TRIBE is failscading, the corps will be absorbed into TEST when it finally fails and the cycle of the HBC will continue.Nothing special here.
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“EVE history has proven time and time again that space democracy is doomed to failure.”Funny, the CFC's Corps Diplomatique seems to be ticking along quite merrily, thank you very much. Perhaps it's not diplomacy in general, but your awful application of it that is at fault?
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Are you confusing diplomacy with democracy?
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“History has shown that Triget learns from his mistakes, and also has an uncanny ability to turn these sorts of political duels to his advantage."that (and endless walls of text) is what you get for choosing a leader who studies the city states of Renessaince Italy for a living.... ;)edit: I grew up on a steady diet of Hexxx posts in MD (who always looked to Italy for clues about banking in an unregulated environment) which is probably why the parallels between EVE and Renessaince Italy have always seemed natural to me.However, now that I think of it this comparison is quite rare in the political arena of EVE (apart from completely random Machiavelli quotes, of course) - most of the vocabulary seems to be drawn from a feudal, agricultural society instead.Maybe it is time to think like Italian merchants, not like Northern liege lords :p
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They learned from test, who pride themselves on being bad.
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Yes. Yes I am.
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Something awesome about being in tribe, we're so shit and everyone believes it firmly. In the end it leaves people baffled when we eventually pull through and outblob them to death. Cuffdawg, this is a comment dedicated to you. Thank you for welping your vaga/cyna fleet on us with a crystal and lowgrade slaves in your heads.
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Because most of the people shouting 'democracy r bads' are either trolling, or en24 spouting retards
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Good writing, good investigative reporting. More, please.And good luck, Tribal.
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The comment literally made my head explode, and then I saw what you did there. good troll.
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What really matter is the leadership is active and know what his members and allies need.
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the so call coup was all planned to consolidate power. Interesting claims in evenews24 today on blood and sand's botting and getting two stations in PB for their "loans"... Glad I am off that boat load of snakes. :)
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“History has shown that Triget learns from his mistakes, and also has an uncanny ability to turn these sorts of political duels to his advantage."Too fucking right son. Triget just curbstomped Grim into the stone age, removing him from HR director 'due to incompetance' and replacing him with someone else. Grim has gone from military director and potentially alliance dictator to a buttmad bittervet who occasionally FCs. Triget, I salute you good sir.
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Thank you!
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I personally believe Space Democracy can work, you just need serious commitment to it, and there are very few people in the came leading alliances etc that would happily resign (or at least, definitely do it even if they aren't happy) if they lost an election.
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Grimbold already lost his power, it was given to iCappy

As covered previously, a coup was attempted recently within Tribal Band [TRIBE], one of the larger sov holding alliances within the HBC. A failure cascade was narrowly averted, with timely intervention provided by TEST Alliance diplomats.

Now that things have settled down, we caught up with Tallianna Avenkarde, former Head Diplomat of TRIBE and current advisor to Triget, for a better understanding of the situation.

"DOOMED TO FAILURE"

TRIBE came into existence when two alliances (The 99 Percent and The Aurora Shadow) decided to merge together. Leading this new organization was a ‘Triumvirate’ of three players, those being Aura Ikku, Triget and Kagenotenshi. “I have been against the Triumvirate since Tribal Band's inception,” said Tallianna. “EVE history has proven time and time again that space democracy is doomed to failure.”

Despite Tallianna’s opinion, evidence suggests that while all three leaders were active and involved, TRIBE functioned healthily. The system was designed in such a way that all decisions required a majority vote, meaning at least two of the three leaders had to agree to a course of action.

Understanding the dangers inherent in democratic deadlock, TRIBE leaders knew that limiting themselves to three leaders would ensure that there could be no "tied votes." Just before the "TRIBAL Spring" occurred, though, Kagenotenshi went missing, and with him that vital 3rd vote.

It was only a matter of time before the leadership process ground to a halt.

THE PRICE OF BLOAT

The issue that exposed the weakness of this system is fairly common amongst EVE alliances: fleet participation. “66% of TRIBE’s fleet participation came from 8 corporations,” Tallianna explained. “In their eyes, the other 50 corporations were somewhat parasites, leeching on the works of others."

TRIBE is a rather large alliance, even in the Age of Coalitions. Its membership hit nearly 5000 at peak, and at the time of this writing, Tribal Band posesses 46 member corporations. Grimbold, who led the attempted coup, came from the "group of 8," and many could empathise with the disgruntled group, including Tallianna and other TRIBE members. However, with the Triumvirate missing its third, deadlock-breaking vote, Aura Ikku and Triget couldn’t reach a mutual decision on how to approach the issue.

“The deadlock in the Triumvirate made it difficult to come up with decision on how to measure alliance contributions,” Tallianna says, “which led to the leech corporation issue not being addressed, which led to dissatisfaction in the better corporations." Tallianna also explained that the average member was probably unaware of the rift between the various leadership members until the attempted coup.

With the issue left unaddressed, Grimbold and the other leadership members of the Group of 8 decided to take matters into their own hands, and attempted to seize control of the alliance. “I think Grimbold just wanted what he felt was best for the alliance,” Tallianna explained. “By the end of it, he saw the logic in Triget becoming sole dictator."

STONEWALLED FROM AN EARLY STAGE                 

When HBC leadership noticed that TRIBE’s recruiting standards were poor and they had more than the usually expected number of awoxers (to the mixed annoyance and amusement of most HBC members) the decision was taken to get involved. The HBC (presumably Montolio) gave orders to Dr Kang, an experienced TEST diplomat who had been managing the TEST feeder alliance “TEST Friends Please Ignore”, to provide assistance and guidance to TRIBE and help them resolve the situation.

From the start of his time with TRIBE, it is alleged that Dr Kang was vocally opposed to the Triumvirate. Tallianna claimed this resulted in his being “stonewalled from a very early stage by certain elements of leadership,” though Tallianna refused to say which elements specifically.

Despite the system clearly having deadlocked, Aura and Triget were still, to a greater or lesser extent, in favour of the Triumvirate system. For the general TRIBE membership, too, there seems to be a certain measure of pride in their space democracy. It is part of their alliance culture.

When asked if TRIBE at any point felt that TEST was interfering in their affairs, or managing instead of supporting, Tallianna denied it was the case “From the get-go we were assured that it was only advice and not orders,” he said, “but ignoring blatantly obvious issues would not be smart.”

In the end it would appear Dr Kang’s advice was taken on board and the Triumvirate was abolished, which considering what we have learnt of the situation seems to be a small miracle.

We contacted Dr Kang on this issue; however, he declined to comment.

UNCANNY ABILITY

The outcome of the whole affair has been to place Triget in charge of TRIBE as sole dictator (adding the Triumvirate to the long list of failed EVE Space Democracies), with Grimbold in charge of assessing corporation value and participation, along with the authority to remove those not pulling their weight. Tallianna explained he was happy with the outcome, but disagreed with "the execution of it all."

With Grimbold clearly having been placed in a very powerful position within the alliance, Tallianna was asked what was preventing another attempt at a coup. “The [attempted] coup showed that Grimbold didn't have the absolute support he thought he had.” Furthermore, “History has shown that Triget learns from his mistakes, and also has an uncanny ability to turn these sorts of political duels to his advantage."

With TRIBE’s political stability temporarily assured in the form of a new iron fisted dictatorship, and firm measures to assess participation under the hand of Grimbold, it seems that things have settled down. TEST showed its commitment to keeping TRIBE as a valued member of the HBC by donating 20billion ISK to help with TRIBE’s financial difficulties.

Of course, a week or so later, TRIBE was robbed for 44billion worth of assets. There is still much work left to do.

Inquisitor Kitchner
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