Tribe Avoids Fail Cascade...For Now

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kick CDIAT
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"Why corps are fleeting up well known enemies to the coalition and roaming with them"I like how you and all the other pubbies are making such a big deal about this yet forget the HBC was formed when TEST (member of CFC) started buddying up with PL (a well known 'enemy' of the CFC and goonswarm)The amount of bullshit and spin circling this inevitable failscade is ridiculous, nobody outside of TRIBE membership actually believes it
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Yes because kicking the corp that has the least to do with alliance leadership or pretty much anything in the alliance will solve all its problems
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The situation was completely different. PL wasn't actively roaming, camping and generally doing their best to failscade the CFC; PIZZA is and has been doing it to TRIBE. TEST even contributed to the death of several PL supercaps.
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Sounds like he hit a chord... what did you have in that JF?
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Master Hyde here. To give a little perspective on this article: the 'fail cascade' slope you are referring to is not a fail cascade. What it is, is corporations shedding unneeded fat from the trunk after Leadership put in a 75% auth on TEST forums for each corp. This was a great thing in my eyes. The alarm came when DG and SCTY left (2 of our top 10 most active pvp corps) over issues that have been in place since day 1 of the alliance.These issues are now well known, and im sure you can find it thrown all over kugu. But regardless of popular opinion, we are in a good spot now. With leadership now streamlined, our alliance will become more effective and will resolve these issues. Fly Deadly.-MH
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Little alliances like PIZZA shouldn't be a threat to a big sov holding alliance. In fact it's preferable to have those types of people roaming your space since they keep your pvp players active while presenting no serious threat to your sov or moons.
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these mails have already been posted on kugu a day ago, chances are he isn't even an officer of your sweet alliance.
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Evict these carebear nerds from goods space and let a REAL alliance (Coughs Raiden) reclaim PB
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If I recall TEST Rental Policy correctly, awoxing / fleeting with reds will get your corp kicked instantly with return pending repayment of losses and removal of those responsible.I'm not entirely sure why this policy isn't being applied to TRIBE as an HBC member at-large.
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Wheniaminspace, Dirty Addict, and Benjamin Basstable are the three pilots responsible for de-carebearing me when I started out in Test. Theirs is God's work: keeping residents on-edge, sharp, and mindful of risk vs reward.
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Making it hard to restock the market, move fuel blocks, sell what relatively little industrial value is produced in null, and shuffle doctrine ships is exactly what helps failcascade an alliance.You have to squeeze every aspect of a pilot's experience in nullsec to ensure they stop participating in fleets, logging in, or subscribing.
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I'm not seeing where donating 20bn, providing fights, and opening access to Test's monstrous alliance logistics and player services backbone is letting Tribe fail.-A-sshole.
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You forgot to include the part where you're merely roleplaying a Tribe officer and crossposting from Kugu.
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losing ships to wheniaminspace and lacco have taught me more about pvp than our own fcs ever have (all due respect to our fcs of course)
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I have no insider knowledge of TRIBE, but 'just trimming the fat guys, nothing to worry about' is what every alliance says when the first signs of a failure cascade appear.
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Hasn't plummeted? Really? Bully secunda and the 7 dwarves of Pizza are raping our guys daily in HIX and we can't do shit about it. When was the last time we actually held that system? (I don't mean our commanders saying we "won" but actually won?) We can get like 15 in defense fleets and then we undock, die, and redock and our fleet commanders say that was a victory. I'm so pissed off with this crappy alliance right now. Yesterday we had 60 to 15 and we were told it was a victory that we killed 4 of them, lost 15 of ours and "won the ISK war" even though we really didn't. Fuck that crap.
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So you say that our typical 15 man defense fleet of hix is ok? Is that what you say? I'm tired of even trying when a 3000 man alliance can get 15 guys to defend our home.If participation hasn't plummeted, I find it disturbing that it has always been this bad...
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I'm only a line member but I want to tell my view too. Only a few months ago we had really high morale and we saw TRIBE in top 5 in eve-kill... I don't know what happened but now our home is full of roaming gangs and if we are lucky we can maybe once a day make a proper fleet against them. If we don't have three times their number we don't even undock. And we are told not to bring the good ships to the fleet. This is what's killing us. We should just man up and face the music or we really are gonna die.
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Maybe you guys should secure your space and mess up your neut-neighbors instead of sending roams to the ass opposite end of eve. I find it hilarious that your bravado-FC's try to take a dump so far from home but can't help keep their space patrolled and end up getting their fudge pushed in over here. Fantabulous strategy. ;p
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They are not red. They are neutral.
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I don't own,fly, or want a JF. Nor do I need one. Tribe has many JF pilots that make billions off us blowing our ships up. They can all buy new jump freighters every week.
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The only people bitching about anything in our space are the J4G's that can't carrier rat cause reds are around.... Get fucked noob. When we kill cynabals and HAC's and they kill a handful of t1 tackle frigates, and then they bug off, that's called Victory. Dumbass.
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Hydra 2 :))
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And the 50 man fleet that flash formede to save a dumb carrier and slaughter Coven yesterday was dissappointing too right?
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another CFC propaganda versus HBCI hope that Montolio and Shadoo will rape this useless Northen Coalition 2.0
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This must be the one you're talking about: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid...That's not what I'd call victory.
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Not sure if this is a troll, but I'll take the bait.1. We won the isk war2. They ran away3. Op successAlso nulli secunda's 100mn ab coward basi shows how the -a- mentality is a disease to anyone who interacts with them.and that tengu loss was not with the fleet :colbert:
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Harby, you seem upset. How about a little break from Eve if it gets you that upset?
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Except these were literally inactive trial accounts that got purged, mainly by a small number of corps that, for various reasons, had allowed these accounts to build up.
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The mechanics provided today necessitate diplomacy, coalitions, and a clear definition of friend and foe to properly execute a nullsec sov holding alliance. It was not always this way but it is now. Adapt or fail - this game is a competition not an episode of my little pony.I don't think anyone would ever have issue with having friends who are reds - but that is separate from fighting with them. There are videos posted of TRIBE members flying with reds and killing coalition members in a planned fashion - if you haven't seen the fleet videos of Securitas with PIZZA shooting TEST then you are living under a rock.It is absolutely correct to say that CDIAT is nowhere near to whole of TRIBEs problems, but leadership at the CEO level that cannot work cohesively on such basic issues is a symptom with considering in diagnosis.
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Not hearing about it before this indicates a significant communication issue. Perhaps you should pay more attention to your internal channels.
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It's more just the natural cycle of things when you recruit anything with a pulse at the corp level.
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TJA (fixed) failed because they were taken over by a well-known Italian RMTer who has a history of failscading every alliance he gets a spot it. He almost took over TRIBE at one point until glorious shitposters trolled him out. Fortunately he doesn't have a presence in TRIBE now.Oh wait.
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ITT: TRIBE applies Estamel's modified damage control.It doesn't work.
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"When we kill cynabals and HAC's and they kill a handful of t1 tackle frigates, and then they bug off, that's called Victory"holy delusional batman...you lost: a dozen tackle frigs, tengu, cynabal, muninn, etc. combined total ~1.4b (at least)you killed: purifier, tempest, drake, lachesis, and a basi in a pear tree. total ~0.7b (I'm being generous)That stuff you're smoking, where can I get some?
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It's funny that you call it a "coward basi" when they had 15 against your 63.
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they are pro, we need to blob them - yo
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Yeah that's fail... One small portion of the HBC, namely tribe is shown as a drama queen alliance with plenty of inter-alliance mails to support the claim. Said alliance is focused on for it's useless ass-hattery shennanigans by commentors. Doesn't seem that any CFC types are saying anything bad about HBC mothership or other member alliance conduct. You end up looking like a tool. Thanks for livening it up. ;p
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How dare they fly something that they can easily disengage with. Eve is all about e-honor and goodfights.
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Might be a *tiny* part of the problem there.
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Did you just see the video or were you actually there? It you watch the video the FC makes a good call. The man didn't call a bubble, only that he's pointed.
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Propaganda my ass. The alliance is terribad and is running down the hill with no brakes, and everyone thinks it's hilarious to watch it crash.
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Our space is actually pretty secure. I sit and read HBC intel and don't see our space any less secure than Delve/Querious/Fountain. And our neutneighbors don't exist anymore. Except for Stain where I can never find anyone for a fight, all our neighbors are blue.
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Just to be clear, Tribe is obviously failing because they can't form home defense fleets to run off enemy gangs except for when they form 60 man home defense fleets and run off the gangs... neat! I like that kind of logic, you must be a director.
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Please don't expect logic of forum trolls.Obviously Tribe is doing great, and all is pink and fully and full of isk. No drama, elite pvp, and superior fleet compositions with competent fc's.
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http://i.imgur.com/zOck4.pngSup, fleet numbers are plummeting
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Fleet Numbers Are What now ????http://i.imgur.com/zOck4.png
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Wow, So many people that know nothing about what is really going on in Tribe. Tribe is not going to fail. We are all dedicated to Tribe. How and what Tribe does has nothing to do with anyone but Tribe. Is would seem to me that you all just want to see an Alliance fail for the fun of it. Sorry, Tribe will disapoint you. Tribe True!

Earlier this morning, after a day of rumours about massive discontent and threats of a coup d’etat within Tribal Band alliance, an extraordinary meeting was held between alliance directors and leaders. The evemails sent between two prominent leaders indicate a huge chasm within the alliance, prior to the meeting.

 

TRIBE

From: Master Hyde
Sent: 2012.12.15 01:03
To: 

Since the beginning, INCOV has being doing everything within its power to help this alliance. We have 3 out of the 4 strat fcs, we run alliance logistics, the alliance moon goo project (most of it), ship replacement program, and the list goes on. During this time we have given input, but never wanted exec. We were VERY ANIMATED that we wanted Trig as our exec.

However, the leadership has failed to estabilsh credibility. CDIAT roams with reds (to everyones dissatisfaction), alliance mail gets spammed and not punished. FWIFFO was brought in directly by triget and was a front runner to replace grim as military director (trig told me himself in jabber). 8 corps bring 66% to fleets, while 40 others bring 33%. We are a free renting alliance, basically. HOWEVER, we were in it for the long run.

But our hand was forced. SCTY left, others are on the brink. 2 Tone (squee's exec) convo'd me asking if tribe was in a fail cascade because he was getting a shit ton of requests to join (like scty, DG, ect).

So this is why we are taking this action. It isnt a hostile take over, but it is our only option. If we are removed, or forced to start our own alliance in Querious, we will. Relize after this, alliance logistics, JB's, FCs, and Ship replacement program is gone till trig can find others to replace these projects. And do you think he will find people that takes the necessary 100s of hours to make this work? Idk. 

I have worked my ass off making this alliance work to the best of my ability. And this is something we havent entered into lightly. 

 

From the outside, TRIBE appear to be in an extremely bad way. Corps are leaving, participation in fleets has plummeted, the inevitable slope has begun on Dotlan, and corps are fleeting up reds and going on roams with them (serious questions should be raised about this). This evemail appears to be the final straw.

However, after a two hour extraordinary meeting, the alliance is seemingly at peace, with Triget being given sole dictatorship (no idea why the alliance haven’t got this in the first place) and Grim being given exclusive powers to kick corps that don’t shift their weight in stratops and fleets.  Yet, with issues still looming large, there begs a question as to how long this makeshift peace will last. It does appear that TRIBE will be given the support they need to get through this by the HBC, with 20 billion ISK being sent to TRIBE to help with its rebuilding plans.

Montolio, leader of TEST Alliance, had the following to say about the donation in a post on the HBC Coalition forums:

We will be sending 20b ISK to TRIBE, 1/2 of its current liquid ISK to assist with alliance operations and provide them with some relaxation money to build the alliance.

The deluge has subsided, though as we assess the aftermath, significant questions need to be addressed and answered. Why corps are fleeting up well known enemies to the coalition and roaming with them; why sole dictatorship was not taken before, given some of the nullsec experience of the corps within TRIBE; and finally, what will stop this happening again. Currently, the situation looks far from stable, and with the conclusion of the meeting being being viewed more as a patching over gaping wounds, this story is far from over. 

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