The Throwdown in A-ELE2

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Heard it was a good fight and well defended by CFC (Unable to pile in as I was travelling that morning :( ). More interesting is when CFC has to fend off two or more defensive timers up North and down South.
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inb4 hero is flying HACs
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There is nobody who can show up North to attack CFC stuff if they all pile down south. CFC still has RZR, BSTN and EG sitting north though. I guess this was the "GoodFight" everybody in USTZ needed, so no escalation happened.
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ok, so despite having caps on field and more numbers, CFC FCs need to headshoot n3 FCs to win ?
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butthurt ?
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nope, I wasn't even there and I am not a part of these donut coalitions. Just pointing out what I think the article was about :)
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"we killed faction Bships with T1 cruisers" This is eve at its finest. Too bad escalations into caps fights is less fun than shooting structures...
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Kill the brain, yes.
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All your arguments are right, I am not arguing that headshotting the FC is a bad tactic, just that it does not create good fights, and at a time when eve subs are so low and there is so little content we need good fights.TBH I barley care, I am a low sec pvp, but even I can see that the more shit null becomes the more eve dies.
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You know what's really pathetic?, when someone wants to be in the pissing contest and can't even hold his own dick..."They cheated!!, they shot the FC!!... we didn't know what to do and lost the fight!"That's why I will never join a sov holding alliance, too many tryhard elite pvp'ers who in reality is nothing more then brain-dead lemmings.
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a doctor a day keeps the mittani away?
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People forget that Hero is first, and foremost, an anti-abortion, christian right organization.
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Some of them are already mixing Eagles in with the Moas.
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"Goodfights" -> "Battle over R64"
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f-con, co2 and razor have been losing towers up in venal for the last couple weeks
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So BL basically.
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Never not headshot Elo. The tears, whining about e-Honor, Oh my god thar must be Spais, and eventual rage-quitting are never not worth it.
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Its even worse when youre getting on killmails then he tells you to give him your ship
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but does it make sense if they have logi, and you could do more damage in the long run to kill their logi or support ships? Not very informed of blob tactics, more curious
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Don't you mean "Same shitlord, every time" ?
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While I agree that headshotting FCs when you're roaming and looking for good fights isn't fun, I think it's a legitimate tactic if it makes out easier to defend assets/space that is being attacked.
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That we did, cadmium, chromium, platinum, and the odd tech I think ? Don't worry though, these will be cleaned up as soon as we come back. It's not like the 20 people living in PF-QHK are ever going to be able to defend anything we bother to reinforce.
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Fuck You Fleet;Always forgotten, never stops damping :toot:
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Sorry to interject in your shit talking, but WHAT IS THE NAME AND ARTIST OF THE FIRST SONG IN THE VIDEO? kaythanks
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I look forward to lots of fun fights with you guys then. hopefully no 1200 man blob fests like this one though ;)
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That depends on how many you can pile up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "It's a legitimate strategy."
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Darude - Sandstorm
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they didnt headshot me, tried 2-3 times tho
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That's what you do to win and protect key assets. You want ebushido and gudfites, go shoot something less important next time.
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thats ehonor, ebishido states that both sides send out their best pilot each to duel to the death, and if either side finds the result unsatisfactory, battle commences, with the 2 general's meeting in the middle to battle without interference from the lesser warriors, if necessary.
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FEMM (Far East Mention Mannequins) - Kiss The Rain
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how does anyone not know this by now? Darude has come and gone in popularity like 8 times.
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Having been in the tengu fleet there was 30 of us all PL and we stayed at extreme range the entire fight untill we had to run cause we got probed because a scythe thought it would be a good idea to hang with the tengus because we are terrible at subcaps lol and idk if NC. Had another tengu fleet or not
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TIDI from Hell, Ever watch something in slow motion well multiple that by 911x10000000 and there you have that fight. Fun while it lasted and next time be sure to turn your brackets off.
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PL/N3 battleplan:Outnumbered? Bring everyone!Even odds? Headshot enemy FCs!Still not winning? Escalate to caps!Still not winning? Escalate to supers/titans!Not winning fast enough? Burn director-level spy and disband enemy alliance!Still not winning? RAGE QUIT!
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you're all invited to Provi for tea tomorrow =)
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Oh my, thank you sooo much. :D
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That music... =(
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Way to stereotype something you don't know anything about. Shine on, you crazy diamond.
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The fact is: if you hold sov, and have a budget to maintain, have dozens-to-hundreds of manhours work at risk, etc, you don't fuck around. Not even if fucking around is fun.Sadly, your notion of how sov-null 'should' be undermines the entire principal of why we're out here in the first place - meaningful struggle and conquest - instead of low-sec. So while headshotting FC's may make fight less fun, if your goal is to win, then you use the best tools in your box. If your assets, balance sheet, alliance morale, etc, were on the line then I daresay you'd target the red FC too.
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Because we don't want bittervet syndrome to be cured. The faster the null blocs succumb to it the faster we can become the dominant superpower in new eden.
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stop shitposting
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Much like your posting
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It's all relative when these are the biggest things happening.
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nuke ewar, kill the heads, then aim for the reps. at some point you start spreading out points. sometimes you have to change priorities though. not so much changed past couple of years ;)
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Don't cry. N3 started it first.
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Yes, and Ishtars and Proteuses cost more than both Megas and TFI. I hear water is wet.Point being, that comparing the two fights this fight was rather unremarkable and it's a good example of how the compounding of numbers lead to less action: as some 50b lost in subcaps is something that should happen every day, but once more players rely on fewer players for content-creation we see these fights grow large but rare. If we want the fight to also become important, it's even more rare and it is important fights that create headlines and stories to tell.The interesting bit here is that even though Capitals were used in this fight the focal point is the Subcapitals and despite NCd/PL initially putting the most (subcapital-) resources on grid the article depicts them as a very peripheral participant in the fight. That says alot about current subcapital balance and the overall relation between ships, economy and content-generation. We could debate wether the article gives a just representation of the fight, but the picture is out there and it's definately acceptable in theory.It's interesting in relation to the (Super-) Capital discussion because here they brought the tastiest treats to the table; they were not outmanoeuvered or killed, yet they are described as rather unimportant without much of either attention or impact despite their choice of ships. It's examples like this that should tell anyone who study the fights at even some depth the reason why Capitals appeal and what needs to be done before we can smack any over-use out of those boring ships. The current balance reminds me of the old "The world doesn't end with a bang, it ends with a sigh". That's why Capitals see so much use in spite of their own issues. It's more interesting to push a DD than being a sideshow.It's not that people shouldn't be able to have fun in their Moas, but once Tengus have issues competing in a scale like this we can quite clearly see some problems. We can also see self-perpetuating problems as the balance issues manifest themselves more as scale grow while the economy follow suit. Large fights attract cheap ships and cheap ships attract large fights. Then, the current state of the game should become appearant.
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Headshotting is specifically for groups like BL (one-horse show). I PvPed with wspace C5/C6 "blocs" for 4 years before going to null and even in wspace, our FCs would know which pilots were likely FCing for the hostiles and would usually get them down first to cause confusion in their fleets, even for a moment, while the backup FC tries to take charge. It's a widely used and viable anwhere in EVE.Most major FCs know they're going to be primary, which is why they have ultra-tanked ships, alts, and backup FCs. Elo doesn't understand delegation or the reason for FC redundancy, or he's too paranoid about spies because he's shit on practically every blue BL has ever had, or maybe their culture is too faux-elitist to foster new FC growth. Don't know, don't care; never had interest in joining a circle-jerk, ego corp that backstabs their blues on trivial shit because the CEO is bipolar. Avoid them.
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Thats sexy
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BECUASE ELO IS A FUCKING DOUCHE\

While many in Eve continue to look through the Crius industry changes to find paths towards isk, the south continues to heat up. At around 0100 Eve time on July 28th, an enormous brawl with over 1200 total pilots took place in the system of A-ELE2 in Delve, which resulted in nearly 50 billion ISK worth of sub-capital losses. This brawl between the entire CFC and a combined N3, HERO, and PL force may very well mark the beginning of a chain of events that could lead to the next big conflict.

A Goonswarm Federation R64 tower, for reasons currently unknown, was reinforced in A-ELE2 by Black Legion, and every non-CFC entity was given the timer and invited to join the inevitable party. The CFC responded in turn with massive amounts of pinging in the hours that the tower sat in reinforcement. With maximum numbers called to save the tower, N3/BL/PL always down to dunk the CFC, HERO invited by BL, and the general chest-beating on both sides, the stage was set for the massive fight to unfold.

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The CFC formed several fleets, fielding ‘Baltec’ Megathrons, TFIs, and Apocs, in additon to Harpies, Armor HACs, and Ishtars. While the CFC also formed a Dreadnought and ‘Boot’ Carrier fleet, these were initially kept in reserve. On the other side of the field, BL formed a Maelstrom fleet, NCdot/PL brought Tengus, HERO brought their trademark Moas, The Kadeshi and Darkness brought a few token Legions, and numerous bomber squads were deployed by Pasta and PL. TEST was reported to be bringing a group of shield Ishtars, but ultimately didn’t show. Because of TEST’s failure to show, BL dropped down to their Navy Augoror doctrine. In addition to the subcaps, NCdot logged in roughly 40 of their supers, while BL formed a fleet of blap dreads.

The CFC took initial position around the tower while PL/N3/HERO piled into system. BL's ANIs, along with HERO's Moas, landed on the tower at a perch before warping down to start the fight, with N3/PL landing on grid shortly after.

The fight was incredibly bloody, with the CFC taking the heavier losses in the opening minutes of the brawl after failing to headshot enemy FCs. The CFC quickly called in its Carrier fleet to help hold the field and clear out subcaps. After a short time, it became clear that despite logging in dreads and supers, BL and NCdot weren't about to escalate the conflict. After successfully head-shotting enemy fleet commanders while NCdot/PL burned their Tengus out to extreme ranges, the fight quickly turned to favor the CFC. With the BL ANI and HERO Moa fleets without their main FCs, the CFC ripped them to pieces while the PL/N3 Tengus harassed the CFC.

As hostiles began warping off grid and leaving system, the CFC called in shield triage carriers to rep the tower while they held the grid, saving their tower, and creating quite the butcher’s bill in the process. The CFC narrowly won the isk war, destroying 26.5b while losing roughly 21, and saved the tower. If Brave comments and morale are anything to go by however, HERO certainly won the fun war. In an interview regarding the fight and the head-shotting that occured, the Brave FC responded saying "We killed faction bships with T1 cruisers. Nomad, :D" 

A special thanks to the Brave FC Blue Ice and CFC FC Reagalan for the interviews that helped construct this article. N3 and BL were unable to be reached for comment. 

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