TEST/Fatal Ascension Tensions Escalate

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Interesting analysis. I'd love to see what happens if FA and TEST did reset each other. On the other hand, it's almost like watching a retard trying to fuck a doorknob - you decide which alliance is said metaphor here.
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HBC = The new NC of the south
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Test because some of their members probably post doorknob porn on 4chan and reddit...
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mintrolio is just gearing up for a reset of CFC. It's the only way to prevent his "coalition" from imploding. If he can pick off a few CFC members first, all the better. And if they could be argued to start the war, better still.
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Also known as BoB.
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" 'shitty alliances in the CFC' "That implies there are good alliances in the CFC.
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The ones that now hold your old space, for instance?
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If only, that war would be one to remember...
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Fatal Ascension-10http://standings.p...You`re welcome.FAggots need to QQ less and HTFU. Also... FA giving us space... really bro? Are you that delusional?
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CFC members are just too content with ratting while HBC members are now more focused on constant pvp and are finding it hard to just log in and sit in a station. A war game weekend scenario would be fun between the two coalitions held in NPC space if they can keep it running it would let every bored pvper in both coalitions blow off some steam being the two largest entities in eve good large scale fights are hard to come by plus could even attract other smaller alliances to the area if everyone knows come the weekend good fights are to be had in said region of space
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TEST and FA have been reset for a very, very long time friend.
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"Friendly, Controlled Conflict" in EVE doesn't work. Any moron knows this and attempting to negotiate a deal for this to happen is setting both sides up for a huge disappointing failure. Trusting this to happen in EVE is literally retarded, not to mention that trying to 'control' conflict in EVE is naive at best..
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I don't think controlled reset can work. You can't be 50% friends and 50% hostiles or be neutral but be blue on JBs and stations. You will sooner or later lean more toward one side or another. Also I don't see how can Montolio expect that a controlled war is possible with FA without the CFC intervention. I can't understand how he can expect to cancel the NIP with FA without doing so with all the CFC. If we let him do that, we show Montolio that he can rise easily Casus Belli toward the CFC, but only to one alliance at a time. If we allow him to do that, we better give him the North right away. If he want fights, fine, it would be very cool, but he must fight the whole pack, not just a lone wolf.
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lol use of quotes.Almost zero drama within the HBC, just Tribe being young and shitty.This idea that it's held together with duct tape and chewing gum is uninformed blather.
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Because nobody ever does pre-arranged honor fights in EVE.
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We're doing just fine in our state of peace, thank you very much. Have fun stewing.e: Excuse me, "peace", seeing as people are roaming against IRC and blackops is shitting up providence and Space Violence + Euro Goons are shitting on ev0ke and syndicate residents in general and...
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I don't see how a conflict could be even either 1) controlled or 2) friendly. It's a double contradiction. There is no ''controlled conflict'' both IRL and in EVE. A controlled conflict is a conflict that doesn't happen, a conflict that has been defused by good diplomacies. Also if there is a conflict, there is still the will to win over our opponents, which is not ''friendly''. Also, by the 2 answers quoted here, I doubt that anything could be anything near ''friendly', if open war break up.
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Been in hundreds of pre arranged fights with upto several hundred pilots yeah theres smack but who cares about losing a bc or 2 and what do you mean it doesnt work if the leadership is together who gives a fuck if the pilots dont like eachother ever heard of RVB failing before atleast an attempt is retarded
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I mean a full reset, not this NIP bullshit you've got going on.
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Sure it does. For months IRC and NC. were neutral to each other. Roaming into each other's space for fights. Many times NC. FCs would announce they were bringing a fleet to Cobalt Edge in the joint channels to give IRC FC's time to prepare a defense fleet. And the second NC. sov came under attack, the blue status went up and IRC came to help. It's all about having fun, fuck the egos...
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That was a mighty fine post wasnt it? Zagdul 2016 anyone?
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Somebody always gets butthurt. Hence the saying: well that escalated quickly..
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I think if TEST wants to blow off some steam and entertain pilots they ought to do what goons do and deploy to NPC space. Theres all kinds of people to mess with in Venal (Black legion. 401k) Syndicate (Rote Kapelle? R&K? not sure where they live) it just seems kinda petty to wanna dump on FA all the time.
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We demand testa-gram back!
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That would require limiting fleet sizes. When a HBC FC opens a fleet, it only takes a short time for it to top 100 members.
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HBC members are so focused on constant pvp they blue half of null sec. Blame your leaders.
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Ever seen Fight Club, friend?Stop being so serious about space pixels.And LOL @ Zagdul for his reply to their butthurt thread saying "we gave TEST space" gg
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With TEST creeping up on Fade and PL over in Etherium Reach innocuously dumping on Solar pets whilst planting corps in IRC http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp... they could be surrounding the CFC to begin a full scale 2-front invasion with PL+ recent -A- additions coming in from Vale and TEST pushing north from Fade. Or it could all be a coincidence..
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Band of Badgers (BoB)
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Hell no, we made that into a real nice rec room.No, you can't use the rec room.
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I particularly likes FAs stand on people who moan about AFK cloakers 'shut the fuck up' other null bears should take note.
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As I remember, FA and TEST have done the "let's-reset-and-shoot-eachother" previously, before the whole Delve thing. It seemed to work out pretty well. I don't see how it always leads to a "huge, disappointing failure".
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Anyone that believes the HBC will do a full scale invasion of the CFC is an idiot. Not that I wouldn't love to see it happen, but it's quite simply never going to happen.
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While I sort of agree with you, we also "reset" (well, we're neutral, anyway, despite the rules) a lot of the CFC so we could shoot them, for fun. But then we shoot them and they get all mad.
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If you think Montolio ever plans to invade the CFC in its current form, you're an idiot. In fact, invading the CFC would be a perfect way to fast track the implosion of the HBC, not the opposite.
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:okay:
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I think he expects it to work because it has worked in the past. TEST and FA have done this before, and it's worked out fine.> I can't understand how he can expect to cancel the NIP with FA without doing so with all the CFC.Who said anything about cancelling the NIP? We're shooting eachother, but we're still not "invading" FA.
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We've had quite a bit of success with small and medium gang stuff going out of HED. There are a few fleets a day that get fights. One of the problems is, I think, we have too many pilots in one place. You can't deploy the entire HBC somewhere, it just doesn't work. However, other HBC entities are moving away to deploy to different areas (like PL and TRIBE). Basically the entire FA thing is caused by one squad roaming into FA space.
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Well that's never going to happen, because it would mean a full reset with the entire CFC, unless FA was booted from the CFC. The HBC will never full reset the CFC.
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If Test and FA are having problems following the NIP. Then how would they be able to get together and do friendly war games?
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Do you mean 'shut the fuck up' and create a rage thread about it with everyone just complaining? Because that's what they've done.
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I thought it was hysterical fun.
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Got it wrong, Greater Badger Community, (GBC)
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If there is any question of who is antagonizing who, Test onlined a tower in FA's capitol, today, and we have the screenshots and logs to prove it, just as we've recorded the staggering amount of cloaky camping they have been doing in our systems. You show me anything even remotely equivalent to setting up towers in Test sov, and then you can even _begin_ to claim that FA is antagonist in this situation.
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That's been dealt with.
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"and our unorthodox methods of resolving our conflicts when they spiral out of hand is a bright example of intra-coalition realpolitik"ohai there freightergate. bright example, huh?
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It shouldn't be happening in the first place and is indicative of two things: firstly, that Test is clearly the one with the antagonist agenda and, secondly, of how little control Test has over its pilots, who are clearly the ones poking the hornet's nest.
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*looks at the comments*:popcorn:
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You know I'd agree with you but a lot of the people who lost space ended up joining the CFC or HBC and now have space again.
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A large alliance sets itself up in Delve, rents out Fountain, and is supported by the preeminent mercenary organization of its day? Surrounds itself with 'allies' it holds in contempt?The only thing that's missing is a sabre BPO.
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It does work. TEST and Pandemic Legion are largely the allies they are today because of our frequent controlled conflict in the past. We would often stage fights and gimmick fleets against each other for the fun of both sides.
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With regards to this "I'm not sure if it's fair to criticize FA for not going 'mano a mano' with TEST, who are five times FA's size, in some kind of CFC/HBC deathmatch"We've offered to let Fatal Ascension add additional CFC alliances to the conflict to even out the numbers disadvantage as well.
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I think HBC would beat CFC. I don't have a dog in that fight, but I think they have the numbers both in grunts, FCs and frankly one of the best bomber FCs in Eve. It would be good killboard porn at the least.
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I would love a Sabre BPO
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Saying it will 'never' happen is not.. No, I think you underestimate the potential of boredom.
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We absolutely have and it absolutely was. There is no reason this can't be as well.
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Confirmed. Never going to happen.
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where else is miniluv going to grind sec status?
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not really. they just set the narrative and policy reinforcement. if you read that as a rage thread, then you missed all the strategic positioning that went on there.
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War Games don't exist with massive propaganda engines.
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I think my point is that telling people that moan about AFK to 'shut the fuck up' isn't really the sentiment I get from FA at all.
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Maybe to both accounts. I'm not entirely sure. Did it work?
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And when that someone gets butthurt we know who the bigger bitch is. Win-Win-Win
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This just proves you can take things at face value, or you can look into them, thinking three steps ahead. Eve Online really allows for a rich metagame like this, and I'm thankful for it. Zagdul saw the three steps ahead, and called it.
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How about you get your members to stop afk cloaking in FA systems, then we can talk about controlled conflicts.
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Please forward any evidence of this to my diplomats, which can be found in our alliance description in game.
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(4:13:36 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Hi(4:13:55 PM) Zagdul: Hi!(4:14:15 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Would you be up for a wager maybe?(4:14:47 PM) Zagdul: What do you have in mind?(4:14:57 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Our Pure Blind technetium moons for an equal number of Fatal Ascension technetium moons (4:15:27 PM) Zagdul: I thought Tech is "Icky"?(4:15:40 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: You and one or two other CFC alliances (not goons) against just TEST/DAWWW (4:16:57 PM) Zagdul: give me a couple days to get back to you on this. (4:17:27 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Sure, if you'd like to use goons we can discuss that but I might want to involve an additional HBC alliance in that case(4:17:43 PM) Zagdul: What's the stakes we're fighting over?(4:17:52 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Technetium moons(4:18:09 PM) Zagdul: excuse me, what is the competition, as in, what constitutes a win/loss etc.?(4:18:37 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Lets say we select an equal number of technetium moons and declare them fair game for any of the listed participants, whatever you hold at the end of the month you get to keep(4:19:49 PM) Zagdul: if the agreed upon details are broken during this time, moons are forfeit I assume?(4:20:36 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Depends what you mean by 'forfeit'(4:20:44 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: Because that could go worse for you then me(4:21:44 PM) Zagdul: The biggest challenge is going to be the lack of batphones and shit. Too many people will try to get involved. (4:21:56 PM) Zagdul: considering this is EVE (4:22:15 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: True I suppose(4:22:44 PM) Zagdul: so working out the details on that, as in, if every fucking fight someone shows up, we'd have to call it off or something.(4:23:01 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: I can agree to that(4:24:05 PM) Zagdul: Give me a couple days I need to pass this through my leaders (4:24:09 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: sure nbd(4:29:47 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: We need to find a way for our alliances to let off steam at each other (4:30:05 PM) Zagdul: Agreed. (4:30:12 PM) montolio@goonfleet.com/home: if you want something less expensive then we can figure that out too
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https://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a...stop stealing our precious gasses :(
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pretty much this.Even RvB had turned into a serious conflict last time I joined (2011) - much in contrast to its earlier days (winter 09/spring 10) when everything was laid-back and key pilots switched between both sides for no other reason than to restore balance.Shoot each other for long enough and grievances about "unfair" behavior from both sides will pile up until they turn what started as a fun, controlled fight into a hateful mess where egos are on the line.In RvB all the catalyst that was needed for conflict to erupt was some 3rd party WTs farming RvB at their undocks.As a consequence RvB pilots brougt their fancy clones and faction battleships which they retained in RvB after the 3rd party WTs had become bored and left.As, according to RvB rules, anything goes to defend your own undock they continued to use their pimped ships against each other which lead to a lot of bad blood and pvp degenerating almost entirely into station games (at least in EU TZ).I rejoined Blue on an alt around that time and left after less than a week as everyone was paranoid about Red spies in Blue (lol?), complained about neutral boosting and scouting alts or just spewed hate and bile at Red. The conflict had stopped being about some metaphorical teapot long ago.Controlled war is extremely unstable and it doesn't take much for it to escalate out of proportion. It's not something anyone who is interested in good relations could seriously advocate when he knows perfectly well that there are already underlying grievances that only wait for a chance to erupt.
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Setting up moons was not a part of the NIP. Also, that's something to point out. /NIP/ not NAP. There's a pretty key difference between the two. If there are indeed only 5 moons in said system, and said system is your HOME system then that begs the question why you have not just POS'd up all the moons in system to prevent a hostile entity from claiming one?I'd also like to point out that this is essentially all being done by one squad in TEST, comprised mostly of TEST pilots, not the larger HBC community (e.g. InitDOT, PL, THORN, fuck I don't even remember all of our blues but you get the point) If you can't wise up to a few black ops hot drops performed by drunk nerds led by a drunk FC (no really) then maybe you really are the ineffectual alliance 'some people' say you are.
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since Test Alliance tried to take some independent action with minimal or no CFC support (Vale, Geminate, Delve)......montolio wake up u wouldnt have taken vale without the cfc...u were gonna lose and thats why u called your friends back then....the cfc responded at full force deploying all of its forces....to be honest im sure that happened not only cause we are blue but if u guys lost it would have made strong our enemies in the south and establish the ridiculous attempt of forming the so called soco coalition....but after WE won that fight 2GETHER....instead of showing gratitude somehow u forgot that and and went on to drop your standings to alliances like fa/fcon which have the highest participation in cfc fleets after goons/razor.....test seem 2 forget that they would have lost the delve war and then probably called the cfc again to help protect their space....so again wake up test guys u would be nothing without us....remember that....
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hey zadgul what happenend in the syndacate campaign? lmao
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*correction not vale DELVE my post above was about DELVE.....just noticed i wrote vale in the beginning.....LOL
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FA and TEST have been shooting eachother for over a year now. No big deal.
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Except there have been several wars between TEST and FA in the past that worked out fine. Why not this one?
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Why even give TEST a chance to fight on "civil" terms, sounds like a bullshit concession with an alliance that honestly couldn't give a shit about FA. If FA ever want to be taken seriously, they need to shed the little kiddies that can't handle living in TWO ENTIRE nullsec regions with a cloaky camper in a system or two.Go big or go home. If it means scaling down a bit and finding yourself a couple decent skirmish FCs and 50 active pilots that can actually fly a competitive fleet doctrine it was worth it.
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Let me know when we can run the DelveGoons out. Till then, not interested.
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Yes, we will pretend that Montolio, Zagdul, and Powers are somehow empowered to represent the stances of alliances/coalitions. Oh wait, they are so empowered.
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You are imposing your own interpretation upon a common phrase that can serve to identify any number of metaphors. In this case, the "hornet's nest" simply refers to communicative problems between an entity of the CFC and the executor of the HBC. You'd think one of the esteemed analysts from a quality site like Kugu would have the sense to figure out how an imbroglio like this could indeed spill over and get ugly between Coalitions. But, sure, quibble over whether "hornet's nest" is the perfect semantic, because it shows your true genius.
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This is moronic. The moons aren't already POSed up because FA just moved its capitol. Regardless, that has nothing to do with Test's violation of sovereignty, which is clearly beyond the NIP to all but the most utterly stupid.Not every situation is perfectly defined by the NIP, much like a Constitution does not list every single law a nation must follow. It's not that hard to figure out when a line is crossed as egregiously as this. Also, Test has reacted now by specifically forbidding erecting structures in NIP sov, which is tacit admission that it was a violation of the NIP in the first place, rendering your point moot. You are quite simply and obviously wrong.
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Why call the cfc to help clear the south if they shit on their allies later on? :D
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I know some in Fcon who would want this... We don't have jack shit to do but deploy to CR anyways...
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There was never an agreement that we wouldn't tower in FA space, so we couldn't possibly violate a rule that didn't exist. I suspect that rule has changed because of the sad you are having over it. Dry those eyes, chum.
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As a rank and file gsf pilot, I wait with anticipation for a moment when mittens creates us new game content. CFC vs. HBC.
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Basically, TEST is wanting to fight someone who doesn't want to fight. So, why not make arrangements to fight someone who does want to fight? I'm sure there are plenty of other CFC alliances who would love to throw down. Why continue to pick on FA? It's all just typical high school antics. Zagdul tells his membership to adapt and stop worrying about it. Montolio tells his membership that he has invited Zagdul to brawl, but Zagdul doesn't want to. It makes perfect sense, no matter how you twist it.
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Does the NIP restrict the harvesting of your gasses? I doubt it.
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FA isn't PL. Get over it.
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Looks like someone needs more isk, lol.
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Probably just wasting your time with some buttfurious ratter getting mad because a TEST pilot is in one of the 26 whole systems in Fade (Most likely I-UU) for longer than 5 minutes.
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How about you suck my dick you fucking pubbie cunt
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Realistically TEST has two good FC, FA has none. Augment that with 2-3 FC's from PL on alts in TEST, restream of FA coms for TEST, etc. FA would get monster fucked. Without PL in the mix FA merely get fucked I guess. Bit tinfoil hat, but PL find it really hard to resist the urge to get involved in fights one way or another, particularly with entities they don't like. And they don't like FA
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eve online is for TEST, nah it dosnt flow like Eve online is for BoB
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ahh but they didnt want that space anyway, clearly,
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I remember far too well Test/Tribe members were running across the galaxy, even using the same jump bridges FA members were using, to shoot FA.Hell, one time when CFC was fighting in vale, Several TEST members camped my cyno when i was bridging our reinforcements back into the fight. I would see them jump though my titan, to my cyno, and then jump through the gate and die on the other side if they were FA in front of my scout.TEST vs PL is very different as well, PL don't have space to protect, and instead go and fuck with whoever. FA and TEST is much more like the old NC and XxDeath, "good fun" which turned into full war within a month or so.
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I don't think TRIBE has ever had access to jump bridges in CFC space, am I wrong?

In the past week a series of alliance announcements from TEST and Fatal Ascension (FA) have ratcheted up a level of rhetoric that goes from petty passive aggressiveness on one end of the continuum towards outright hostility on the other. While the CFC and HBC are strategic allies, many individual alliances within each coalition are neutral towards their counterparts; FA and TEST are not blue, and have occasionally come to 'friendly' blows in the past.

To understand the upcoming drama, you need to know that to preserve a state of pseudo-peace between the coalitions, the HBC and CFC have agreed upon ground rules governing behavior of HBC/CFC entities who do not have standings towards one another; mostly this is stuff like 'Don't camp blue stations' or 'Don't camp blue jump bridges'. Both TEST and FA accuse each other's pilots of violating these rules.

Without further ado, the TEST post which started it all; apparently FA took umbrage with the side-swipe about 'shitty alliances in the CFC'.

 TEST alliance of today is very different from the TEST that it was a year ago when we decided to go balls deep into Vale of the Silent. Back then we idled around 5300 members and had almost nothing but a USTZ presence. We also had interesting allies like Elite Space Guild and BDEAL, who have now passed into the void of space to the graveyard for shitty alliance known as every other alliance in the CFC. These days dreddit itself has exceeded 5300 members all on its own. Our alliance has added around 23 new full membercorps in that time. We have everything from the newest additions of La Megadita and Dropbear Preservation Society, a small group of funny Italians and a group of convicts from down under respectively, to larger corps like German powerhouse EADS and the multicultural and ever so interesting Enlightened Industries.

With our growth, our alliance has become one of the most diverse alliances in the entire game. We have also become the largest alliance, at one point held more sov than any other alliance in Eve. As you can probably imagine, this wasn't exactly a smooth and easy experience, but we've managed to get through it all. We have come so far from the alliance that ran into the Raiden supercap wall repeatedly then formed up to do it again the following night. We now sit blue with many people who a year ago we were shooting at, including Raiden. We have grown to cover almost every timezone, we've helped create what is now the Honeybadger Coalition as something more than just something we did to make Goons mad. We found a way to make a large amount of isk without having to fight for icky techmoons so that we can reimburse things like lokis and Navy Apocs.

Now we are tearing ourselves apart.

Our alliance, famous for shitting on people, has now turned all of its efforts inward. Instead of focusing on getting banned for calling ev0ke Nazi's or calling Makalu a buttbutt, we are shitting over our own Euros, going far enough to pay to have their mumble ticker changed to something funny yet inflamitory. We have deemed it ok to shit on our allies because they might have a 15 year old FC who made a mistake or because they don't want to share their ratting space that none of us use anyways.  We jump on the bandwagon to shit on lower sp and newer members to our cap group who don't have JDC 5 on their carrier pilot. If there is a reason to shit on someone that we are blue to, someone who is a member of OUR alliance, we will do it simply because we can.

The unwritten rule of TEST and the HBC is to not be dicks to each other. We are now incapable of this it seems.  This isn't even at the basic member level alone. This exceeds DurrHurrDurr and Tarithell's usual posting and broadcasts. I've watched as diplos shit all over the IT people who put in long hours trying to make sure all the stuff stays running. I've watched as the IT folks then make less then stellar responses which just continue the problems. I've seen corp ceos deem it ok to shit all over other corp ceos because they just might be interested in getting an office in one of the systems where we have the supercap upgrade. There are threads where people literally shit on members of our alliance because they can with the excuse "Its boring at work" or "I'm posting just to post." Its disgusting, its counter productive, and it is tearing our alliance apart Lisa style from the very top all the way down.

So this is my one personal appeal to you, my alliance, the people who I put in far too much time for.

Stop being dicks to each other. Just get the fuck along. Stop making me want to karttoon the alliance.

Mostly an inoffensive 'Stop Causing Drama' post with a few sharp elbows tossed in. However, this provoked the following public missive from Fatal Ascension, posted to their official and public forums

You've likely all noticed that TEST has been camping our systems over the past several weeks.  As a reminder, our current policy with respect to TEST is as follows:
•    Do not attack structures owned by HBC member alliances
•    Do not afk cloak in systems owned by HBC member alliances
•    Do not camp the stations or jump bridges owned by HBC member alliances

Some of our members may be disappointed with TEST's lack of adherence to these terms.  These blatant provocations have particularly affected our ratters, miners and industrialists. We hear you and have this to say:

Shut the fuck up.

It is not like this is the first time we've dealt with AFK cloakers hunting our ratters. A big part of why we're still around is because of accepting and adapting to undesired events, and this is barely a bump in the road compared to the rollercoaster we've been on in the past.

Let's put this seemingly irrational agression into context. Reach inner peace through seeing and understanding the big picture, so to speak.

TEST prides itself on callous trolling, always have and always will. Their core membership stems from reddit, 4chan and 9gag where the social norm is circlejerking and one-upping each other. In Eve, where social consequences are minimal, this means that for every rule or agreement set down, members will go out of their way to push the limits and see how many toes they can step on before someone snaps or they get clubbed down by the leadership. Whoever proves most successful is crowned king for a day. They do it to themselves and they do it to other alliances.

With that in mind, there are a number of reasons why TEST are poking at us:

Fear

TEST have explicitly stated that they want to go it alone without the training wheels and the support of our coalition. They are now at the head of the katamari-like Honeybadger Coalition and as such they are looked to as a source of content and direction for their coalition members. Many of their partners are openly hostile towards our coalition since we've had a hand in booting them (and rightfully so) out of our neighboring regions, and as a consequence there are calls for blood. Our blood. This puts the leadership of TEST between a rock and a hard place. Instead of maintaining a firm stance regarding the CFC and telling the loudest critics in the HBC to sit the fuck down and deal with it, we now have this situation which is both a conflict and not a conflict at the same time. It is neither fowl nor fish. Their failure to act consistently has brought about this nonsense.

However, they lack the courage to reset Goonswarm Federation, their last lifeline to the Clusterfuck and their only safe harbor to return to if the HBC were to implode somewhere in the future. Therefore they require a scapegoat for a reset and a war, someone to point to and say "We tried to coexist with you until X started this war, but we hope we can still be bros after all this because it is only X we are really mad at. Fuck X".

Essentially, they wish to provoke a war while keeping their best possible friend and worst possible enemy on the opposite side on relatively good terms. Their worst  fear going down this path is us just sitting on our hands and watching them dig their own grave diplomatically as they come up with inventive ways to overstep their boundaries and goad us into doing what we are most proficient at: Shooting first.

At the same time they are terrified of giving us the soft treatment and honoring our agreement, with a desire to look upright and independent in the face of their blues who hate us. Going easy on us and backing down would in their partners' eyes confirm the memetic stigma of "Goon pet" that gets thrown around. Although we understand their predicament, we as an alliance are disappointed in TESTs inability to rise above such banalities.

Drama

As of now, their leaders are becoming fed up with the internal drama created by their own culture, since their diplos, IT crew, CEOs and other important people are becoming more and more the focus of this endless torrent of mean-spirited behavior and they need an external point to focus towards now that -A- has ran away. The recursive nature of the problem is only made worse by prominent trolls having a different set of rules apply to them, blurring the line on who you can and cannot have a go at, depending on who you are.

TEST is desperate. Their recent practice is that of indiscriminately absorbing when they should be showing restraint and consolidating. This is putting stress on them internally as an alliance and externally as the head of a coalition. Failing to account for the abyssal chasms of culture and standards between their alliance corps and coalition partners is turning the daily lives of their leadership into a pressure cooker, and the pressure must be relieved, lest it tears them apart.

In short, they need an alliance like FA to pester and infuriate in order to not turn on themselves. They badly need to project their bad impulses elsewhere and we're the closest neutral entity to them, with a solid track record of gunboat diplomacy.

The relationship between TEST and FA at the grunt level has always been a fairly good one, and our unorthodox methods of resolving our conflicts when they spiral out of hand is a bright example of intra-coalition realpolitik combined with solid fun. Therefore it is saddening to see their leaders trying to sweeten the pill pushed from the rest of the HBC, selling the narrative that we are now someone to be loathed, embezzling our shared history, past burdens and successes. They have nothing we want, but we have never thought less of them for it.

The practicalities

We as an alliance have always been good at adapting to changing paradigms, and this is one of the strengths of FA. Allies come and go, and getting poked at by former blues is nothing new. Now is the time for pragmatism and adaptation.  Let the TESTies rage at their leaders while we continue to keep our heads in the right place.

Looking at actual measures to take, it will be easier to flush out their hotdrop gangs from NPC Pure Blind now that we are moving everything to 3V8. Encouraging people in fade to rat in groups will help make the whole situtation more of a non-issue. Talk to your FCs, set up counter drops, login traps etc. Keep on doing what you always do, but adapt accordingly.

This, in turn, provoked Montolio to issue the following memo to TEST regarding FA, likewise a public airing of grievances:

Many of you saw the mad-ass forum thread Fatal Ascension made about us. I wanted to address it. The post is pretty glorious though and it is truly the drama we've been missing since the collapse of Against All Authorities and IT Alliance.

Non-Invasion Pact

The post was riddled with accusations of TEST pilots forgoing the NIP agreements between the HBC and CFC. This is completely untrue, as we've handled every violation of the agreement (of which there have been few) promptly on our side and paid damages whenever a violation occurs. The majority of the Fatal Ascension anger stems from a black ops team in Pure Blind. I assure you, killing Fatal Ascension ratters and fleets with black ops drops is completely within the scope of our NIP. On the other hand, Fatal Ascension pilots have frequently been caught violating the NIP in our space by afk cloaking, camping bridges, camping stations... if it is listed in the NIP, Fatal Ascension has violated it. Nothing is preventing Fatal Ascension from doing black ops work in Fountain or Delve, especially as both regions have an NPC core much like Pure Blind. Instead of fighting back fairly, Fatal Ascension pilots have taken it upon themselves to push the boundaries of our NIP and see how much underhanded rulebreaking our diplomatic corps will let them get away with.

Relationship

We aren't blue with the CFC, but we are blue with a few select alliances, most notably RAZOR and Goonswarm Federation. We have these alliances blue because we like them and because we have historically had a good working relationship or strong ties with them. We used to have an outstanding relationship with Fatal Ascension - we advocated for them, gave them a couch to crash on, and supported them militarily and strategically. When the drama with Raven Shadows was stirring up I support Zagdul 100% and sung his praises across GF Allies. However - since Test Alliance tried to take some independent action with minimal or no CFC support (Vale, Geminate, Delve) Fatal Ascension has been scrambling to occupy the #2 position in the coalition TEST arguably held. I'm okay with this, I wish them the best - but it might be difficult as Fatal Ascension's only notable achievement is successfully living in Fade.

Letting off Steam

I have proposed multiple times to Zagdul that we conduct friendly controlled war games or we loosen the NIP between Fatal Ascension and TEST only. My offers have been declined or deflected every time I've brought the topic up. They are aren't willing to fight us unless the entire coalition backs them, yet a very small selection of TEST pilots are causing Fatal Ascension unbelievable amounts of frustration and pain. Even more embarrassing for Zagdul, loosening the NIP would at best even the playing field between our pilots and childish FA rulebreakers, and save the diplomats in each alliance countless hours of reading through trivial FA pilot drivel. Fortunately for us, the tension in our relationship seems almost entirely one-sided, and Fatal Ascension is clearly in need of an outlet for their frustration. After all, TEST is still deployed to HED fighting local pubbies while Fatal Ascension has just moved their main staging system to a mere 2 jumps from NPC Pure Blind, with the intent of defending their space against the transgressions of Sperg Squad blockade runners on their way to rendezvous with a Panther and Loki in Fade.

Now what?

That's up to Fatal Ascension. I'd love for them to return to bro-status again. That isn't going to be accomplished by passive aggressive posts and people getting panties twisted about ratting losses. The Fatal Ascension we used to know would have laughed at ratters dumb enough to be caught by TEST pilots. They would have engaged in fun war games and planned fights with us. Our pilots should continue to abide by the NIP and feel free to do active warfare as we have been - within the bounds of the NIP.

Happy new years.

My take: It's no secret that Montolio has often looked for ways to shoot the CFC in a controlled way; some see this as a method of blowing off steam during times of peace, while others view it as a nefarious sign of a future reset (I'm in the former camp, for the record). This drama, while seemingly petty, does call into question the viability of pseudo-NRDS restrictions on camping and bridge-ganking; both FA and TEST accuse one another of being more often in violation of the CFC/HBC rules of engagement, causing headaches for diplomats on both sides.

I'm not sure if it's fair to criticize FA for not going 'mano a mano' with TEST, who are five times FA's size, in some kind of CFC/HBC deathmatch, but 'controlled resets' have worked out well in the past, including previous FA/TEST pseudo-wars.

Mostly, this is just nullsec popcorn; as we come out of the holiday season, the game is heating up again.

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