TEST Contends With HBC Growing Pains

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Hey if you ever welp the alliance we keep the Testagram nice and warm for ya.
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It's disheartening to see some alliance mates (who are in their late 20's no less) act like pathetic man-children. There are some great people in TEST, but there are frequently people propped up as "social butterflies" that really don't deserve our respect at all.That's the way though, contribute to the alliance at some point in the past (and be loud enough about it) and suddenly you are free to treat anyone in the alliance like dirt and cause endless amounts of drama. The real threat to TEST as an alliance isn't any other entity, but TEST itself and I'll be quite sad when we finally kill ourselves because of this.
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TEST aren't the only alliance that prides itself on trolling its own members. There is a pretty obvious line between ripping the piss out of people and going out your way just to fuck them off.
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Just out of curiosity- What's the running count of Corps and Pilots that were trolled out of TEST 'just because'?
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i was in test a couple of weeks and it was wank, a bunch of 14 year old little weasels with nothing but ego's, i promptly quit and couldn't wait to get out, it was one of the worse experiance's in eve to date.
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Too many to count.
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testies, can we do more brawls?
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oh, test implodes from the insane amount of shit accumulated in this alliance (no wonder if the biggest corp mostly recruits on a website that is almost as full of shit as 9gag)nothing of value was lost.
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Perhaps it just wasn't for you; if I were not in Test, I would have quit this game by now. We may have large egos, but we can sure back it up. If someone's willing to pick a fight, we'll be ready to show them up, or die in a glorious fire.
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There really isn't enough content to keep people occupied atm, there's nothing on the horizon either due to us either being blue or friendly neutral to most 0.0 entities. There's certainly not going to be a failcascade or anything anytime soon, but the longer this stagnation continues the more often internal drama will happen until everyone is able to unite under a common banner and invade FA.
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"i was in test a couple of weeks and it was wank, a bunch of 14 year old little weasels with nothing but ego's, i promptly quit and couldn't wait to get out, it was one of the worse experiance's in eve to date."Please tell me more about "killing ourselves".edit: weird ass bug made me make a shitty comment, w0w
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I'm not really sure what that dude's comment has to do with mine. I enjoy being in TEST and have plenty of friends in this alliance that I enjoy talking to (including you Madlof). He seems to have hated his experience in TEST. Not really comparable.I wouldn't want to be in any other alliance but it doesn't mean I can't see what is plainly in front of me. There are a bunch of people that have been propped up that are a cancer to the alliance and treat everyone else like shit. If they don't quit EVE or get purged it will end up pushing all the decent people away and kill the alliance.Good luck getting these bitter social butterflies to fuel POS, lead fleets, run our services or contribute in any meaningful way when they have "social immunity" and are above the rules.
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My bad, both comments were showing up with the same name for some reason and they're not now. What the christ. Sorry~
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Thanks for three paragraphs of nothing?
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I'll take these concerns to the high council, my friend, this will not stand.
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Boredom Solutions1. Invade Low Sec2. Invade High Sec3. Reset ALL Standings, and start blowing former blues up.
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Im a very proud member of the CFC coalition and frankly I think that The Mittani is doing an awesome job making us feel like a big family. And Im also sorry to see that the HBC is breaking apart because of - pardon me saying so - juvenile meatheads who doesn't undestand how things work. There's a simple thing: Do unto others what you will have them do unto you. Treat people nicely and you will be treated nicely. I haven't seen the slightest of mishaps like this here in the CFC. If we can, so can you.
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I guess your memory is short, or you haven't been in the CFC long
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Usually we reach the phase of blowing people up while STILL having them blue.It's a feature.
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1. Blue %80 of null sec - done.2. Hire PL to win fights for you in return for providing meat shields - done.3. Have mediocre leadership - done.4. Have no unifying culture or principles except for being shit posting idiots - done.Am I the only one amazed this recipe produced a shit pie?You should learn from the goons, at least they use their own noobs as meatshields and let them grow, they have strong leadership and a unifying principle and culture, even if it is being sycophantic shitheads.
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" unifying principle and culture,"The same cultures created both alliances so not exactly sure were you believe the difference lies here.Edit: Same cultures as in they both grew from forum based communities
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As a non-test redditer I apologize for Test Alliance.
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Yeah, and they all play eve, so what? Even if they had similar origins, it doesn't mean they are still similar. Goons stand for something, at least in the broad sense. That is, being arseholes to others. So even when they aren't at war, they run squads, hulkageddon, minluv, and other arseholeries. What do TEST stand for/do, except being bad?
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sounds like test realy needs someone to fight, only people who can provide Challenger is clusterfuck.
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Please go.
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Yes, I think grinding more regions is just what we need at this point.
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Exactly. We have no real enemies to fight or to focus our shitposting on, so it's turned internally, and it's killing us.
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The high council of chivalry maybe
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We stand for, uh, eating ourselves until Monty spins the wheel of randomness and we go deploy on the other side of the galaxy and shoot some pixels. Isn't 'being bad' legitimate enough a reason for you?
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I don't even care who you are, but yes. Just get ahold of someone who can get ahold of someone.
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We also do all of that? We have a lot of squads, SIGs, gank events, thunderdomes, whatever.
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Are we talking about the same CFC?
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Its a genius plan, attack an enemy when they least expect it.
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A new power is on the Rise you slaves. Just wait...We are right behind you...
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If people want TEST to improve the leadership should consider being less nepotistic and allowing others to rise. A lot of people applying to be diplos currently (myself included) are being told no because they are and I quote "not active enough in the community" meaning you don't post on our shitty forums enough (where the only thing that ever happens there to people is you get downvoted for saying anything or you are DurrHurrDurr and you get upvoted for posting illegible nonsense). It is the most pathetic litmus test of participation I've ever seen and TEST will fail if it continues to be so shortsighted. I say this because that group is the lowest rung of the leadership ladder. Dare I ask what the litmus tests are for more advanced leadership positions?
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if you don't join the circlejerk, you wont get enough internet points to call yourself relevant
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Well, I was considering joining TEST, but reading these comments are making me have second thoughts. If the leadership really is nepotistic, then there needs to be a fix soon.Believe me, I saw the same thing happen with one nullsov alliance I was in for only a week - I left, went back to highsec, and weeks later, that alliance was gone.Something as big as TEST imploding at some point in time in the future seems like a very real threat - however, the warning signs are easy to spot and easy to correct...it's whether or not people have the brains to understand how things work and stop acting like man-children.
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We cycle leadership in most divisions every 6 months. We just cycled a whole new batch of people into our diplomatic team and appointed a new head of that division.
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This is an age-old story of large alliances, it will be interesting to see what effect it has in the long run; because I can promise you, it will have an effect.

While the HBC's military successes from Delve to Esoteria have been well-documented, those outside of the TEST and the HBC may be unfamiliar with the internal struggles and drama of TEST itself. TEST is no stranger to drama. Whether caused by caused by differences in opinion, changing policies, stress, or any number of other things, it's a constant fact of life in the alliance. From hazing out corporations as early as 4 months after our inception to hazing OWN Alliance out of existence, our drama has been a brand that has been continually powerful and creative in the EVE universe. It’s easy to see why, then, when we have no opposition or external entity to focus our drama on, we end up doing it internally on ourselves.

A few days ago, things reached a breaking point, prompting a response from Fras Siabi, one of the military leaders in TEST. Fras authored a post titled “7BExcellent to Each Other: No Really.” wherein he detailed some of the struggles TEST had overcome in the past and the issues presented now. With no current major opposition in EVE and no obvious enemy in the future, TEST members had been slowly focusing their efforts inward and started to disrupt the standard day-to-day operations of the alliance. Highlighted problems included such events as people publicly attacking IT staff for their decisions (leading to a near rage-quitting of a member), publicly attacking our now rather-large bloc of German-based corporations, and numerous other little attacks and trolls inevitably reaching a breaking point.

Much of the drama has now subsided, and many people are now discussing how to better TEST to prevent such outbreaks in the future. There are rumours circulating that major changes are being made to address some of the issues -- one definite example, an announcement that IT-related questions be filtered through diplomats. However, the full impact of these events on TEST have yet to be seen.

Player since 2006, where my experienced flipped from high sec nobody to Capital FC in TEST. I primarily play EVE in the area of capitals, but have experience in logistics and trade. I occasionally write good things and even have a twitter: jinli_mei