Tensions Peak Between HBC and CFC

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Gewns arent declaring war on TEST because they know PL would just super blap them
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Also, FIRST!
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haha - Tests balls havent dropped yet, they nothing without PL
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Bring Stability is a cunt.
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Best case scenario:1. HBC and CFC go to war.2. HBC win said war, because PL and teh blob (HBC > CFC) (cue irony of CFC dying to blob).3. HBC control all of null and Eve is even more boring than before.4. HBC decompose because they really are a bunch of shits, and aren't even good at being shits like goons.5. Eve is fun again after getting rid of blue donut.What will really happen? CFC and HBC go to war for a bit, then realise that to win they have to grind structures for 7.68 years. They blue up again and null Eve takes a final NAP.
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Good article bags!I must say I prefer the PL comment at the end: Either way it'll be fun huh?
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Try fact checking next time.Callum hugman joined black-mark, not FA.And the fact about him calling bad orders, well that was callum in a nutshell. Not to mention the badness that was hasumx,You forgot to mention that luav and many of the higher up BDEAL leader from mid 2011 and forward was skimming isk from the top to replace their own faction fitted BS.Nice spin Bagehi, try again another time!
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Haha i have to laugh at the linked battle report. I was there! It started as a academy roam with older brother support jumping into the famously camped EC-P8R, the plan was to show the academy some sort of larger scale engagement, and we knew that FA would form to have gf's with us due to current tensions. What you don't see is there were actually over 120 FA internet spaceships split into two groups (in-front & behind) using jump bridges to chase us around their space. We had hoped for a gf rather than getting blue balled by tier 3 and Tech 3 ships obviously that wasn't to be and the chest beating afterwards was amusing to see.
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test is scared of big bad goons.goons are scared that test will realise goons havent been big or bad for quite a while now.
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its like the moment you realise you can beat your grandpa at table tennis
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I don´t know why Montollio always talks about ratters getting killed, it was always about the rules of the NIP, which before the change were not kept by HBC members......
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because clearly goons want to declare war on test?this article discusses a number of diplomatic moves and places test as the instigator. How is this about goons wanting to declare war on test? (and being stopped by PL).random statements are random.
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Wow, i'd expected so much more from this article but this is just disappointing, it makes the Montolio Interview look like a masterpiece against it."'ll be blunt: it was Bring Stabity bragging about TEST baiting FA into a war so that they could kill them under GSF's nose. Walter Stine had the good grace to disavow Bring's nonsense firmly, but in my view this incident has borked a channel that was probably screwed anyway; it's time to start over.""TEST has made it clear that they want to arrange a situation where they can kill off FA under the noses of the CFC by baiting them into some kind of treaty-breaking action. This isn't speculation; it was explicitly stated by the 'Chief Diplomat to the CFC' from the HBC side, Bring Stabity."On the first statement. he is going for "They did not really mean it, it was disavowed, we still have to act because it was inappropriate" , on the second one he uses the same incident to show that it is to be taken serious because it was the "Chief Diplomat to the CFC" and it was actually meant that way.It is certainly something new for "The Mittani" himself, on his own news page to not get the spin right. I guess he lost his touch. Surely you can still spin this right by simply claiming that the first statement was done with the information had at the time and the second one after they found out that "Bring Stabity" was actually telling the truth, but no such statement has been. As the article stands now, it simply looks liked "The Mittani" knew exactly that what was said by "Bring Stabity" was not the truth but non the less pretends to believe that it is the truth to argue his point on it.tl;drmittani first claims that test diplomat was not serious about test wanting to take out fa and test clearified that, then proceeds to claim that test was serious about taking out fa - bad spinning, mittani can do better
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Isn't the basic "problem" that peace in EVE is an undesirable state and war is so much better? And war against someone disliked or even hated is more fun than just arbitrary war against random guys. Sounds like people try to stir up animosity because they are bored... which makes perfect sense.
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It was always inevitable that CFC and HBC would get bored and "so what next?" after stomping on everyone else's castles in the sandbox. What is less obvious and so will be even more amusing is after goons and test have thrown all their allies into the meat grinder against each other until there's nothing left to throw, they they say, "it was only ever a little fun, not serious", kiss, and get a room together for some quality time, whilst all those who went through the meat grinder, hear the word "fun", go into apoplexy, and the screams and mistrust will echo around EVE for years to come. If you listen real hard on a clear and quiet night you may be some chuckling too..... that would be the goons and test you're hearing........
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Let me guess, you're going to accuse themitt of being a propaganada site next?Say it ain't so!
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Cold wars are boring.Wake me up when the fighting starts.
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Who will make the first move? the world eagerly awaits
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Hopefully we will see full-scale war sooner or later.Unfortunately the warfare most likely will be pretty boring. HBC will ally with NCC and will bring full fleets of supercarriers and titans (hello RDN, PL and NC.). CFC already couldn't break NC. and RDN. alone, now with PL. supers and all horrible HBC grunts, the matter will be even worse. Goons have a number of supers, but the rest of allies don't look well being mainly new alliances (RZR has surprisingly small amount of supers and FCs for it's size & age).Why unfortunately? Full fleets of supercaps = a lots of blueballing. Unless we will see fleets of suicide dreads, then it could become interesting.
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Player generated content, best content.
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Stop with the diplomacy, making nice and the .. ugh .. ~Logic~.Someone do something irrational and trigger an all-out Hell-War already.Shake the snow globe.
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This is all my fault.I almost started a war by changing my Kugu avatar. Sorry dudes!
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Most goons actually like TEST. It's the HBC we don't like. Personally I don't give two shites whos the worst alliance, TEST or FA? Let's just reset TEST already and have fun.
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neither FA or TEST has the balls to attack eachother on a full-scale war. I don't think Mittens wants a war against TEST because they are our bros. The HBC however? May it burn.
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We like TEST you moron.
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Aw man it's on now.
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As i read it, there are a few things that are to be concidered.As an FA member with no political power or influence, all i can do is look at the whole thing from the outside.Because lets face it, Would an alliance as big as TEST, really hold a grudge over something as trivial as a fight from 2011 so they can mount an attack vs their former best bros? I seriously doubt that. I know from experience that Montolio's decisions are sometimes rash and when they affected me (i used to be in "TEST Friends" for a month or so, before getting removed for no reason whatsoever, just a get out) seemed dickish and irrational. But then again, if you deal with 5000 members, decisions are made on a level that seem incomprehensible for a lowly grunt like me, so i just let it go and at some point joined a corp in FA. TEST was blue, i held no grudges and we had fun in various areas of EVE shooting things.The drama about test killing ratters, was not that they killed ratters, if you rat in a system with a neut or red in it you are stupid and deserve to die in a ball of fire and we will laugh with the guys who killed the uneducated ratter and get on with it.It first went to a drama, when the afk cloaky camping began."Who camped first?" That is the question. Well as i am not in TEST space, i cannot tell. But if a rule was made not to afk camp (we are talking hours at the time, not a 15 min scan and attempt to gank someone) and it gets broken anyway, because of "fuck the rules, fuck alliance x because they are bad" and nothing is being done about it, then you condone it. I recall that we had a quite heated discussion about the principle of the rules we where told to uphold and then we saw that some guys seemed it fit to shit on them in an attempt to get tears because, they are alliance x and they can do whatever they want. rule got lifted, and there are not so many incidents of dumb people dying.I get a sense that this is what PL intended in the first place, break up the "enemy" and make them argue with each other for long enough so it escalates.Some people get their game fun by manipulating an entity in a way that they behave like you wish they would and that is exactly what i, a no-name grunt, think has happend here.If TEST guys have infiltrated FA, and as i read are plotting towards us shooting first, i cannot help to think, that this overhyped drama every diplo and their mother is talking about, is done by the infiltrators. Because we rather talk about the roams we do and even getting that blasted incursion out, than whatever drama the TEST situation is bringing to our daily life.I'd say forgive and forget. Its just a game afterall...
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To be fair, TSK deserves it.
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That's a character that appears to have been on a single fleet this month losing a ratting ship in a ratting system. Anyone who cites this kill as a reason for retaliation/war is just looking for excuses.
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Did he ever say that he believed Walter Stine's good graces? No, he was simply listing everything involved in his decision to move things to a new channel.A fairly common writing style is to list several theories (bad, trivial, good, maybe even funny), leading into the grand finale of your personal opinion, where you use your opinion to denounce the other theories.
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Meh, as a GF linemember this all seems very 'distant' and pointless. If FA and TEST want to shoot each other, why not just leave the CFC and have at it? If not, there are plenty of idiots for us to shoot without having to resort to some foreverwar against TEST who we actually like. Clearly curb stomping the worst elements of the HBC would be a kindness.
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What's with all the chest beating? Why not just declare war?
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Well this IS a Goon website :)From an outside perspective, Zagdul doesn't appear innocent either.
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If we can leave Sov out of it, sure; otherwise it'll be the sort of misery that will burn out the best content-creators and leave everyone else floundering around as timers go uncaptured out of sheer exhaustion.
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PL has the biggest known super fleet agree, but do you know how much supers goons got ? no, nor do i noone except the top of goonswarm knows.
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Yeah, I missed that on my second pass. I had originally written Spartan, then changed it to Callum when I was writing about bad FCing, because I had the two mixed up. However, I forgot to change where he went after the edit. Spartan was the not terrible FC and went to FA. Callum was bad and went to Black Mark.
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when will you learn? your gud fites dont matter. pre-arrainged, agreed pvp, belongs in wow, and other shitty games. why would you bring that stupidity to eve?
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I like how you think that in your fantasy scenario the dissolution of the HBC will create nothing but solo entities making eve fun. It will descend into more factions blueing each other again to regain numerical superiority - because that's how you win in eve.
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Bring Stabity did something dumb? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say!
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Lastly, Grath Telkin’s view:I'll see who wins and who we will friend with in order to keep our techFYP
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Syndicate Freeport-Thunderdome! Lets go!
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The CFC like FA and don't want to abandon allies to obvious baiting.
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Going by what I've read on SA and what I've heard from friends I'm not sure that the average member of goonswarm does like TEST. The leadership seems to get along. Well, they did get along til recently.
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You're not wrong per se, but you are challenging the realism of a FANTASY scenario :)But seriously, you're probably right, except it would take a long time for an alliance to gorw as strong as CFC. It's easy to want to blue lots of factions, but it's hard to actually manage it, especially when no one side is particularly dominant.As much as I despise goons, for a myriad of reasons, I do have a grudging admiration of the things they do well. They didn't get where they are by chance or by luck. TEST, on the other hand, I have no admiration for at all. They were given a huge boost by GSF to start with and now come across as a bunch of tools led by a fat, pale, 30-year-old virgin living in his mother's basement. PL know why they joined up with them instead of CFC. It's easier to be the strongest, if not biggest, fish in that particular pond.
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Then again, the average member of Goonswarm isn't even on SA.
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Really? But isn't SA kind of representative of Goons? FA obviously doesn't get along with them. Not to mention the HBC itself with stuff like Raiden. and Thorn in it. Plus I can never get through three pages of a thread where someone complains that TEST is full of bronies/MRA's or idiots and that they ought to be reset.You've made a lot of damage control posts about how everyone likes TEST but clearly there's a lot of people on both sides who don't like each other.
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I never said everyone likes TEST. Goons generally like TEST. Of course there are people that dislike eachother in every community. I'm sure there's people within the HBC that dosen't even like TEST. I personally want to reset TEST. Doesn't mean I don't like them. Same goes for alot of Goons.
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You're an idiot. This article was written by Bagehi, who is in TEST, and not Mittens. You can ask Bagehi if he sees any editorial interference between what he submitted and what is on the live site.
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On paper HBC has more members, but CFC can deploy more people from what I am hearing
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Not everyone in GSF is on SA like not everyone in Test is a redditor. Those two sites, respectively, are the cores of each alliance, but not a requirement for the many other corporations in the alliances.
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WAR!!!
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You know I wrote this and I'm in Test, right?
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He is guilty of what, accusing TEST of breaking an treaty?
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The BDEAL incident was not the only event. It was simply cited as the first important event that soured relations between FA and Test. Montolio put together a much more comprehensive timeline of events, I stuck with the first one to prevent this from becoming a full on book.As for the camping, I really don't know. Both sides have been provoking each other as far as I can tell, but it seems to be mostly coming from line members. Also, I don't think PL are the grand master manipulators you paint them out to be.Test, GSF, FA, etc... they're all horribly filled with each other's alts. A total war between the alliances (beyond this ratter hunting stuff) would be incredibly messy. If there was an actual "plot" to have the other side shoot first, it would have happened already. It doesn't take a lot of effort to join a fleet and start trouble. Fleets have enough lemmings that if they see fireworks start, it'll get out of control. This is mostly line-level brouhaha.
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Shooting is the desirable state, however, sov war isn't. Even the most eager noobie turns jaded over sov war after hitting a few structures.
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War war war war war ! Bring new war new fun to eve!
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you do the same things you say monty is doing, blowing things out of proportion, and then drawing back like you cant understand why, for instance, you say, this stupid drama, and blown way out of proportion, and then the next sentence attacks test, derp much? Furthermore, why the lack of communication, why havent you sent a mail, start a convo, dont tell me that NOW is the time you want to keep your mouth closed.. FA are asshats, joined gsf, took 3 weeks to get standings from FA, cause they havent a fucking clue, ceo knows mittens irl, and we still went back to test... because gsf is just so smart and awesome.... there is nothing at this time, after dealing with -A-, test could gain in a conflict with goons... to believe that monty is actively instigating something like this is just stupid. Of course you kicking diplos out isnt an overreaction, but test removing you from auth is? you guys are really sound with the space you have and the isk you have accrued with your shady dealings, you think that a conflict with test would be one sided, that would be a bad assumption
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You do realise the article is written by a TEST member?
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"at which point Callum and his corp joined FA"Wrong Callum. Besides that, accurate enough.
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Mittens is a clever dude, HBC may or may not have a military advantage but they aren't in the same league on a propoganda war. Whether he wants war or not, he's setting it up so that Test leadership look whiny and poserish, if it isn't turned around it doesn't matter that the CFC is weaker, because HBC will shed allies
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Eat a dick.
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Welp. Thats some well though out trolling right there.
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It's a ratting alt. It was killed on a bubbled jump bridge by blues. An Osprey even was repping it and was jammed out by this gang. Bubbling a jump bridge is a violation of the current NIP. Shooting blues is obviously not cool.No, it's not an escalation for war, but it is evidence to the fact that some members of Goons have crossed the line by knowingly breaking rules and need to be reeled back in.
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Actually what I meant was that I'm not going to involve myself in the decision to go to war, if we do we do, if we don't we don't. This is 2 fairly massive forces eyeballing each other right now, if it breaks off into a war it'll be one of the biggest the game has ever seen, and while we'd definitely fight in it I'm not injecting any of my opinions into the situation, I'm going to let Montolio do what he feels he needs to do. We'll back him up one way or another because TEST ended up being adopted by Shadoo, he now has 11,000 grandchildren.If you weren't so bitter I probably wouldn't have to explain that. Now, excuse me while I go backstroke through our gigantic sea of money.
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So we have the vast majority of douchebags in EvE potentially about to fight each other? Awesome. Although, to be honest, as pathetic as most of them are I feel like Fagdul is really the bottom of the barrel.
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I'm sorry my steaming pile of shit alliance denied your app. Please send 500M ISK to a random Goon, and we'll reconsider your app to join.
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WW2 references are out. WW1 references are in. Try again.
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The TEST-FA conflict seems to originate from the BDEAL failure and that fact that FA tookbenefit of it. But BDEAL was failing anyway and not because of FA. Whatever didTEST to retain BDEAL’s pilots & corporation, it did not worked. Somethinghad to be done to keep in our side (what I call HBCFC) all theses people. FA succeeded to do it.Yes it sucked for TEST to loose BDEAL, an alliance of their brand new coalition.But It would have been much worst to see BDEAL people join a red alliance or coalition.THAT was the major thread and its been prevented.If HBC & CFC go to war each other, who will benefit of that? Nulli Secunda thatlinked intel in the first place? Pandemic Legion that have already started tocollaborate with them, along with NCdot and other leeet alliances of the southwest and would love to kill both CFC & HBC to make leeetness prevail? Alltheses HBC alliances who hate CFC and push steadily to that war; Raiden, INITetc?Most probably…
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It's not even as expensive as a Falcon alt...what would Elo do?
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And suffering 5th-grade humor constantly. "Look, if you substitute an "F" for the "Z", it makes..."
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TEST love even Great Autist Captain Sperglord Roghie!
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Yeah. Definetly new.
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Wag the Dog 2: M&M create a fake war to occupy & entertain the masses. Always happy to play a role.
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All of that remains unclear to anyone by the person/people who nabbed the isk, which is why I just stated "While corporations were leaving, the sizable pile of ISK that had been handed to them by TEST disappeared, a final twist that angered BDEAL's allies."
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TEST: DURR HURR DURR HURR DURR FAFA: HERP DERP HERP DERP HERP DERP TESTGSF: Grow up the pair of you, or you're grounded for 2 weeks!PL: oh this should be good :popcorn:There I saved you a whole load of words
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Never app'd.In Goons.Typical -FA- Mental Gymnastics.
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GSF line-member here. I don't want to sov-war with boat any more than the next guy, but TEST is apparently due for a really late coathangar if this is the kind of shit-show they're running. Thank God I'm not some dumb faggot in a position of power because my inclination is to rectify a problem we ourselves have started.
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He doesn't need to set them up because they are doing it themselves quite nicely.
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The majority of TESTies would rather fight along side Goons, not against. I suspect the feeling is mutual for most of our goon bros. Its the few dumbasses that never log in anyway that are beating the war drums, and that's more about meta trolling ourselves. The sooner we hug it out with our foreverbros the better, in my opinion.
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"I suspect the feeling is mutual for most of our goon bros"Not with the amount of idiots in your comms, no. Shitposters didn't help either.
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And logistics guys are probably the biggest pacifists in Eve when sov grind is on the table. Can't say I blame them.
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I will forever love my baringu stabityu
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Dear Mittens,As a rank and file GSF member I ask you to make this war with HBC a reality. As an individual that fills the body count in various fleets on daily basis I want a reason to want to login to eve and fight to the bitter end, because that is what fun for me. I’m willing to spend countless soul crushing hours on DBRBs boot ops if there is a remote chance of PL hotdrop, I don’t mind grinding structures in subcaps as long as there is a remote chance of “all hands on dick” fights. It pleases me to come home from work and see 20+ rage broadcasts for whatever from various FCs. Finally its been too long since we had any serious threat or a major capital engagement.Please I implore you not to diplo our way out of CFC vs. HBC. We need this war, we want it, it will be good for morale and business no matter what the outcome is.
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Only some of the older goons hold warm feelings towards TEST from my experience. Personally I've mostly seen shitposters and screaming idiots from TEST and I know no one who I genuinely like. Yes, it is because I came after they got out to Fountain to do their stuff and I only saw them in Delve and occasional CFC roams before that, so I didn't have a chance to know them better. Do I want to ? No.Maybe you think our newbies will like them more ? Upcoming newbie drive will only cement the growing resentment. I'm sure that TESTies will do everything in their power to further alienate new bees. I don't think there will be any good feelings left after some time. Adding more alliances like Raiden won't help either.Incidentally, I like FA. Zagdul is a chill dude and their fleets are much much MUCH better than what I saw in the last Delve invasion. And even if we don't count that at all, there is a huge difference between FA and TEST. One is in CFC while another is trying to separate a CFC entity to kill it without fear of retaliation.
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Time to buy some dreads to suicide then. Thankfully it's a t1 hull which is fully covered by insurance and reimbursement so why not.Although you're really underestimating the amount of supers in CFC and overestimating the value of supers now. Why do you think PL jumped into TEST bed right after the nerf ?
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Reddit culture at its best.
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Alot of the newer members of TEST are exactly shitposters and screaming idiots. Our newbies will not like them, but I can only hope some minds are wide enough to not instantly hate everyone we shoot at. Take notice I'm talking about TEST and NOT the HBC. I also like FA, I've been on a few of their ops and they are very fun. I'll say as I've said earlier, I hope FA does engage in the war against TEST and I also hope that GSF will reset TEST. What I'm not hoping for is a full out sov war and every goon to start hating TEST because they're neutral. Take into consideration that alot of us simply just want more roaming targets. I just came from a EG fleet into HED/Provi. HBC members fight. That's more than I can say about other alliances/Coalitions I've encountered the past year.
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Well goons are in HED attacking test cant wait for more.
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Aren't you the pathological liar from Fweddit that nobody liked?
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No, I am the guy that left TSK to help form Fweddit, to shoot something other than little red boxes and to not listen about aspies argue about R16 moons in Fountain.Jew on little pubbie, Jew on.
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Albino snake with the bulging eyes?
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He who you fought alongside yesterday, is shooting you today and flying with you tomorrow again. Welcome, this is Eve.
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Goons vs. TEST - Whoever loses, we win.
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pre-arranged?!? who said it was arranged... i said 'we knew that FA would form'. And talking about WoW i think your on the wrong site you knuckle dragging numpty.
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I wouldn't say he was a cunt. A dumbarse who doesn't understand what being an alliance diplomat means and sperged when he should have shut his mouth is more correct.
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i thought -A- was dead cuz they sucked.
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Black-Mark died to FA machinations too. Their actions were pretty transparently aimed at poaching the good corps and burning the rest of the alliance to the ground.
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you guys really need to just beat each other with fistfulls of dicks, as soon as possible.your "BLUE THE GAME" attitude is really fucking annoying for those of us that actually like playing to shoot spaceships. man the fuck up and kill everyone.
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good read :)
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Is it just me or does this whole HBC vs CFC 'tension' thing come across as just a little bit fake? From my (out of game) perspective it's like someone has said 'What can we do to make sure everyone does not notice that the HBC/CFC block is completely dominating EVE right now?' - 'I know lets create some drama between some of our members'.I know that at the grunt level there probably is some real bad feeling between TEST and FA (hell, there is always bad feeling at grunt level about something) but for some reason the way the info is dripping/leaking out I get the impression that it has all been manufactured by someone (or a cabal of someone's) trying very hard to make it look 'legit'. Maybe I am wrong, but I wont really believe it until they start stealing each other's moons and blowing each other's super caps up in large numbers...
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FW pilot here, bro. I actually fought against you and Fweddit a few times like half a year ago but don't know you personally. Just heard some talk that you lie about yourself all the time and are kind of a cock. But hey on the other hand you guys were pretty good, so meh.
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CFC propaganda versus HBC lolit's simple, goon will reset and backstab FA like Northern Coalition 2 years ago
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what he said. how much LSD you on, m8?
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why the hell would you want to forgive and forget in a game centered on conflict? i'm a fucking indy/carebear director and i think that's a retarded notion.
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"Either way [we hotdrop everyone]."
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TEST + GSF v EvE. Let's do it.
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"so rather than overreacting I'm doing nothing at all."Meh, I go with Mittens on this deal.
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He doesn't look albinoOr like a snake
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Not at all close to the truth.
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This isn't actually the case. "The majority of TESTies would rather fight alongside Goons" might be true, but they would also rather fight for their alliance and for their own goals, not mittens'.

Two years ago, TEST was beginning to grow from “one of the CFC” to a power in their own right. They had begun gathering a small collection of alliances under their wings and set them up with parts of Fountain. One of these alliances was named Important Internet Spaceship League, widely known by their ticker BDEAL. By the time they allied with TEST, BDEAL already had some recognition as a small gang warfare alliance. However, after they allied with Test and collected some sov, their numbers began to swell quickly. Some corporations were castoffs from the imploded Northern Coalition, while others were new to null. As numbers increased, internal problems crept up. In late 2011, Luav (BDEAL's alliance leader) needed to take some time off for real life; things went out of control soon after, as various people began making grabs for power.

The turmoil spread quickly and became apparent to the entire alliance in various ways, from arguments on comms to FCs seemingly turning their fleets into swiss cheese on purpose. One FC in particular, Callum Hugman, began to develop the twin habits of giving obviously terrible orders as well as not calling targets as soon as fights began, leading to a lot of dead ships in the ensuing confusion. BDEAL began to crumble due to the dischord, at which point Callum and his corp joined Black Mark. Two corps followed them to FA a week later, and two more trickled in after that.

BDEAL continued on for a few more months, despite enemies flaunting the fact they had spies in command channels and leadership going AWOL. However, the demise of BDEAL was sealed in one event, where an FC called for supers to engage SBUs and subcaps on a gate without proper support.  It ended as you can expect:

[ 2012.01.28 18:26:33 ] (notify) Nyx belonging to 0cool101 self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.28 18:31:55 ] (notify) Wyvern belonging to Officer Dangle self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.28 18:37:49 ] (notify) Wyvern belonging to Yoemama self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.28 18:40:19 ] (notify) Nyx belonging to Yubitsume self-destructs.
[ 2012.01.28 18:40:42 ] (notify) Wyvern belonging to Boradokar self-destructs.

A FEW GOOD SUPERS

TEST was on the other side of the map at that point, engaged in a war in the Northeast alongside PL. A rescue party was formed and raced west to save BDEAL, but were too far to make it before the supers began self destructing. BDEAL collapsed shortly after this event as most of the remaining corporations bailed, with many joining FA. Some corporations declined advances from FA and some were simply not invited. While corporations were leaving, the sizable pile of ISK that had been handed to them by TEST disappeared, a final twist that angered BDEAL's allies.

Montolio confronted Zagdul with intel provided by Nulli Secunda around this time. While Nulli had been amused by the flood of intel provided by some high level members of BDEAL, they were more than happy to share which individuals had handed them the intel and more amused that those individuals were in Fatal Ascension at that point. Montolio accused Fatal Ascension of engineering BDEAL’s fate and then poaching corps to bolster their flagging numbers. The fact that members of FA were logging onto BDEAL’s command channels while the alliance was imploding was damning in Montolio’s eyes.

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [30/Jan/2012:18:26:23 -0600] - Ageck Kalenia - BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:03:56:31 -0600] - radecz3k (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [31/Jan/2012:05:40:54 -0600] - Titris (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:13:43:11 -0600] - null
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [04/Feb/2012:23:28:10 -0600] - Enorio (FA)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:38:35 -0600] - UDSaxman
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [05/Feb/2012:01:42:31 -0600] - Montolio
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:12:14:43 -0600] - TheSaint2000 BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [22/Jan/2012:21:11:03 -0600] - Ori Empress (BDEAL)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:11:22:15 -0600] - Cyno Zicke BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [23/Jan/2012:14:59:59 -0600] - null
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [24/Jan/2012:17:48:48 -0600] - Tearhart (ACE)
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [25/Jan/2012:07:40:17 -0600] - Pinky Demark BDEAL
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx - - [09/Jan/2012:07:27:29 -0600] - Boldt FA

Zagdul denied the claim and tensions escalated into outright war, albeit a short-lived one due to the intervention of Goon diplomats. Resentment has lingered to this day.

Fast forward to now. In the wake of SoCo’s “reduced resistance” in the south and Dotbros reduced battles with CFC in the north, the bloodthirsty among both sides are looking for someone new to shoot. To the chants of “VFK by May” and “Test is Terrible”, eyes in the North and South have turned on each other, despite the best attempts by diplomats. HBC and CFC recently ran through a series of resets, leaving only a few blue standings crossing the two coalitions, such as Goonswarm and TEST. A collection of FA and TEST pilots took it upon themselves to reignite the simmering tensions begun a year previously. Ratters were stalked and killed by former blues, as FCs and diplos argued in shared channels.

The culmination of this saga came in a private convo between Bring Stabity of TEST (diplomat to the CFC) and Goonswarm’s Tector (senior diplomat). Bring laid out a story that TEST was antagonizing FA in hopes that Zagdul would do something rash to break the NIP (non-infrastructure pact), providing TEST justification to move against them. A “most eloquent way to kill FA without starting a CFC war” because “if FA goes away, so does most of the animosity TEST has with the CFC.”

Tector was not pleased with this conversation and shared it with others in CONDI and FA. The Mittani responded by separating the two, removing TEST FCs from the shared CFC command channel.

(11:05:17 PM) directorbot@goonfleet.com/ce5ff963: GFAllies Vets: This channel is fucked. Since we created 'cfcops', most of the military chitchat has moved there, and that's worked out great. Sadly, this last week I've been given an unfortunate log involving one of our allies not in the CFC blithely discussing a desire to kill off a loyal and strong CFC alliance, which is not the kind of thing I can allow to go unremarked upon with both parties sharing a diplomatic coordination channel. Since I don't approve of passive-aggressive beating around the bush, I'll be blunt: it was Bring Stabity bragging about TEST baiting FA into a war so that they could kill them under GSF's nose. Walter Stine had the good grace to disavow Bring's nonsense firmly, but in my view this incident has borked a channel that was probably screwed anyway; it's time to start over.

We have a new channel now which all of you have access to (Solo conveniently migrated the gfallies userlist) called 'cfcdiplo'; contacts with the HBC will continue as before through the J5 server. Since cfcops is purely military, and cfcdiplo is purely for schmoozing, there are no restrictions on who you choose to admit to cfcdiplo (except No Mandozers) so you can contact Sion, Tector, Dragkhar, or really any of the corps diplo folks if you'd like to add More Dudes to cfcdiplo from your alliance.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to alliedfc at 2013-01-18 04:05:20.277639 EVE, replies are not monitored ****

Montolio responded by kicking GSF members from TEST jabber and comms. Things began escalating quickly, going so far as to SBUs being moved into position and cyno chains put in place to quickly move respective fleets into place. And then… silence, as all involved returned to the diplomatic table in a last ditch effort to salvage things.

Bring Stabity, TEST Diplomat, explained the situation thus:

Personally, I think there are a lot of issues between the CFC and TEST that have occurred from poor communications and unwillingness to resolve issues in a concrete manner. Both the HBC and the CFC don't want to fight each other in a sov war. No one likes sov war. A lot of TEST's "issues" with the CFC are being hyped up a bit too much, most of the issues are personal slights that have long been forgotten. No one really remembers why TEST and FA hate each other, other than the fact that they both say "They are horrible." I don't think the overreaction leads to a fight. I hope that it leads to both sides actually talking to each other seriously for once. There's been a ton of passive-aggressive posts and reactions from both sides that remind me of middle school girls fighting over who was going to a sock-hop. Maybe some real talk can happen now. I exaggerated vastly, but there was enough behind my words to make people stop and think. Sure, I'd do it again. Because of what I said, both sides started looking at the issue seriously.

Zagdul, leader of FA, explained things this way:

The drama surrounding this whole thing is getting boring. How hard is it for people to just shoot each other without having to sell people a load of bullshit before getting into a fleet and just having fun in EVE. Too many leaders in EVE feel they need to create an enemy out of someone they're not blue with in order to motivate members.

FA doesn't need this propaganda to shoot TEST. I think it's not doing EVE any justice, where I think people would be happy if we'd just all shoot each other and get it over with. As it stands, SOV/Structure warfare sucks. The ability to form a fleet and shoot neutrals is all we need to be motivated to log in, join a fleet and try to enjoy EVE. It could be hostile to us entity in reality. Shooting test in the past was something we considered fun. Now, it's stupid because everyone is just plain bored of the drama.

This changed a little today, however. Test came in with Vee's Caracal fleet and got minced. Fun times. I hope are able to get reshipped and come back for more.

BR: https://www.fatal-ascension.com/kb4/?a=kill_related&kll_id=201077&adjacent=1

Montolio stated:

The drama is mostly involving Fatal Ascension whining to Papa Goon because they are mad about TEST killing Fatal Ascension ratters. TEST is an alliance motivated by fun and drama, not by victory or e-honor. If we shoot a ratter and it generates a large amount of tears then that makes it twice as valuable to our group as a whole. If we form a cheap fleet and ram it into an enemy, we may lose, but we will have a good time doing it. Whenever I personally FC, it is always a suicide fleet.

The relationship with the CFC deteriorating is unfortunate, but ties have been weakening steadily over the last few months. The last time we actively worked together and communicated on a personal level was in the Delve/Querious assault - we could only get assistance on strict preconditions and the attempt to negotiate those conditions led to a complete withdrawal and 'taking my ball home' from the CFC. It hasn't really been the same since then. They've purged us from gfallies - we've purged them from jabber. I have started a CFC ~chillbros~ program to allow a select few to retain access. I have pretty decent relationships with some of them and the drama between the coalitions shouldn't impact personal friendships with line members.

The Mittani’s view of the situation:

It'd be pretty easy to stabilize things, but given the behavior of TEST leadership I think it's unlikely to happen. The tldr of this ludicrous drama is a TEST diplo saying "we want to kill off FA, while still being blue to GSF"; this obviously isn't a good environment for a shared diplomatic channel, so we separated HBC from CFC. The reaction from Montolio was a loud announcement thread and removing CFC line members, who have little to do with all of this posturing, from TEST jabber. To wit: "how dare you be offended that we want to kill off one of your allies."

TEST has made it clear that they want to arrange a situation where they can kill off FA under the noses of the CFC by baiting them into some kind of treaty-breaking action. This isn't speculation; it was explicitly stated by the 'Chief Diplomat to the CFC' from the HBC side, Bring Stabity.

(12:06:42 PM) Tector [CONDI]: what is your end goal here?
(12:07:01 PM) Bring Stabity: FA eating themselves from the inside out, or FA deploying to NPC fountain
(12:07:13 PM) Bring Stabity: either or is a victory, because if they try and dive into us we'll chop their head off
(12:07:25 PM) Tector [CONDI]: why do you want that
(12:07:42 PM) Bring Stabity: It's the most eloquent way to kill FA without starting a CFC war
(12:07:51 PM) Bring Stabity: that way montolio gets what he wants, without a CFC war
(12:08:22 PM) Tector [CONDI]: why do you want to kill FA, other than the fact that they didn't respond to Monty's initial trolls?
(12:08:55 PM) Bring Stabity: Because if FA goes away, so does most of the animosity TEST has with the CFC
(12:09:25 PM) Bring Stabity: not all, obviously
(12:09:25 PM) Tector [CONDI]: you are severely misreading the situation.
(12:09:31 PM) Bring Stabity: maybe
(12:09:52 PM) Bring Stabity: I haven't been paying attention to much other than infiltrating FA and guiding the incidents to peaceful resolutions

Note, of course, the obvious problem with a 'chief diplomat to the CFC' explicitly and openly plotting to destroy a CFC alliance, and alleging that he has spies in place to manipulate the situation as well. Given the range of reactions the CFC could have to this, moving the TEST representatives out of the gfallies jabber channel is pretty tame stuff.

It could come to conflict if TEST pulls the trigger. The CFC will not attack the HBC regardless of these rather juvenile provocations from their diplomats. I mean juvenile in a literal sense, rather than a mere ad hominem, given that Bring Stabity is under 21.

I don't have any hopes or agendas on this one: it is a stupid drama and being blown out of proportion for no obvious reason. TEST acts like they want a war with the CFC, but instead of simply resetting us and attacking, we have these strange overreactions in the aftermath of transparent provocations. GSF took the lead in sheltering and helping Dreddit when they joined the Eve community, because Dreddit and Goonfleet are very similar entities, and when Goonfleet joined Eve we were attacked by a veritable galaxy of hypocrisy. I don't know what Montolio hopes to gain by these maneuvers, and so rather than overreacting I'm doing nothing at all.

Lastly, Grath Telkin’s view:

I think this time I'm just gonna stand back and let the youngins play, see where it ends up. One way or another it’s game content.

EDIT: I had originally written Spartan, then changed it to Callum when I was writing about bad FCing, because I had the two mixed up. However, I forgot to change where he went after the edit. Spartan was the not terrible FC and went to FA. Callum was bad and went to Black Mark.

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Bagehi began playing Eve in 2003 briefly, then returned in 2006. He has been part of IAC, NC, SoCo, and HBC during that time. He has a thing for history, but mostly spends his time IRL in a corner office, staring at financial reports, like a MMD.