Super-Capital and Dreadnought Battle in Venal

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40 insured dreads isn't worth a titan and two supers? Are you out of your mind vily?
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40 insured dreads when lost is like what 40 bil down the drain? isnt much when compared to a titan 2 supers and 10 dreads
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Problems on keeping cynos alive? Raiden. would just have lit a cyno on a titan or supercap Goon pussies.
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You can't really gloat about anything RDN would have done two years ago. They're a long shot from their former glory.
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GJ BL. Keep up the good fight. Goons time will come.
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They'd do it now, its the only cyno that won't be killed before everything can come in....
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40 insured Moroses is still 80 billion lost if properly fitted (insurance payout minus insurance price gives you back 1.1b only, and Moros with proper fit is 3 billion). That's almost three supers' or almost a titan's worth of ISK. Would you trade 2-3 supers for a titan and two supers? Yes, it's a win but it's not a great trade.
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Great to see proper capital brawls once in a while.
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It's a glory win. And if you consider only BL+pizza vs CFC, yes, it's a complete win.But weakening you to weaken only one opponent isn't a complete win in EVE. You're not alone.Still pretty good. Dreads are expandable these days.
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Nope, someone engaged when he lost comm without asking if the midpoints were ok. That's the major error, not Vily trying to save the situation after that.
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This "Vily" character might want to recheck the meaning of the term "Pyrrhic victory".
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Supers died.But alas, not all supers in the game died.Maybe all titan owners could get 25 dreads in their hangars, and all supercarrier pilots 15 carriers... Get all super skills reimbursed ?That would have been a great day for eve online.
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If you note, Vily said that Black Legion came away the winners of this engagement. Black legion made fewer mistakes and were able to extricate a portion of their dread fleet after supers hit the field.
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You forget that it's much easier to replace a dreadnought than a titan or supercap.
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As someone with no dog in this fight:gud fight = everyone wins \o/
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yeah but it doesnt really hurt the CFC that bad.. while BL doesnt have the same funds.
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FA shot first
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They're gonna be like 50mill each , they're not that expensive
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Definitely worth it on paper, but you gotta wonder how more crystal sets BL will have to farm as opposed to CFC just setting aside a day's worth of Tech. On the other hand though, there are a lot more dreads sitting around for sale, and are easier to replace than supers. Good fight all around, I'd say.
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Obviously you don't realize how spacerich our members are - just because we don't have tech doesn't mean we can't replace our own dreads.
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That's not true. I only had midgrade insurance that cost ~100mill and was paid 1.9b. So, in all, it cost me 1b to get a titan killmail. Who wouldn't do that?http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_de...Thanks Obama.
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Is it not slightly above you, as a moderator of this fine site, to resort to damage control and backpeddling in every comment?
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I believe the answer is yes.
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My role as a moderator is to ban racists and EN24-tier badposters from the comment section. In comments, I don't have to maintain any neutrality or anything because I don't speak for the site, and I'm not setting up a separate Disqus account just to be able to express my fucking opinion on things without shitlords complaining about me having opinions while having a mod tag.Seriously, moderators on virtually every forum take part in discussions and their mod tag has no bearing on anything. I'm not doing "damage control," so get fucked. Also Raiden has absolutely nothing to do with this fight, idiot
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at no point did i ever say that, why the author would feel to add it is beyond all understanding
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this is the worst writing i've seen in a long while.
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Xain: "Why are you late?"Reality: "I fell down a flight of stairs."Xain: "That shouldn't have taken very long!"
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Not sure how you caculated that efficiency but the correct number should be 60%. If the numbers are indeed 150b vs 100b.
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66.666r% right??
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NOI #1
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so 80 or so billion lost, versus a 70bil titan, supers were another 50 or 60bil at least, 10 dreads would be another 30 bil (20 if insured) . so 140bil of kills for 80bil lost. oh yeah dont forget the support cfc lost too
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As long as it make less supers in New Eden, one shall not care about who holded the gun.
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He clearly didn't say that.« Vily: Black Legion clearly won the fight, but paid a high price for it. 1 titan, 2 super carriers and 7 to 10 dreadnoughts is not worth 40 dreadnoughts. » It's just damage control, i'm sure the CFC would have done the same in BL. position. Replacing a dread isn't even remotely difficult for a single member, and most alliance have cap building/buying program.
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The BBC delivers !! Sounds like it was an awesome fight for both sides.
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Wait wait wait, what sort of dick-waddery led to a friendly titan doomsdaying a friendly dreadnought?
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Math, how does it work?
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Hello damage control site , you gonna delete this comment too?
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You mean expendable
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I'm not doing "damage controlhaha i loled so hard.
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Yeah why not.
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Xain: "Why are you late?"Reality: "I fell down a flight of stairs."Xain: "Was Vily involved?"
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I support this comment.
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Nah man, I definetly see my ship expanding when I hit siege.
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That's called moving the goalpost...
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That's not moving the goalpost, what?15 supers haven't been a "significant" number since ever. Random lowsec pirate alliances can muster that up.
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Opinions like "you sound dumb because you are dumb"? Indeed, I don't think that the two of us agree on moderator comments like that.
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you mean how i'm not setting a positive example for the grown men who post on a gaming website's comments section? oh dear
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battle of attrision makes it 2 totally different things. tho I guess it can be hard to see for some grunts. CFC can take those looses without loosing night sleep. while BL can take those losses now and then, but not every week to put it like that:P
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I got the mod tag pulled. I am unleashed~

“Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Alfred Pennyworth, The Dark Knight

Perhaps somewhere in this quote one can find the motivation of some alliances. Perhaps by understanding this idea it would explain the mentality of some coalitions, alliances, and corporations. Perhaps it will explain why we all play EVE Online.

 

A DANGEROUS HICCUP

The setting: May 23rd, northern Venal. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx had convinced Black Legion to engage some Cluster Fuck Coalition towers, hoping to provoke a response. Black Legion formed the Crystal Army, a large dreadnought fleet funded by Crystal implants farmed in Venal and sold in high security space.

Vily (GSF): Black Legion was spotted forming dreads to reinforce POS's and we knew they were going after Razor's. So we did the standard numbers checks and preparations. Word came in that they were hitting a POS in MC6-5J system. So I called for people to be at their log in screens as we got the rest of the fleet formed. I then started moving midpoints and doing other preparation work.

It was at this point where Vily ran into an issue with his Mumble VOIP service and had to divert some attention to resolve the situation while still trying to prepare the fleet. During the minutes Vily was off comms, Kilgarth decided to take the fleet over and jump on the opportunity of killing a bunch of dreadnoughts, not realizing that there was a critical midpoint missing for a majority of the fleet.

This of course meant no support being anywhere near the titans they were planning on dropping. Kilgarth's lustful appetite would very quickly be exploited by Black Legion and Confederation of xXPIZZAXx in the minutes that followed. Without the support fleet to back up their newly dropped super capitals, the CFC super capitals were in big trouble.

LaserzPewPew (BL): Our intention was to gang warp out, but one of our dreadnoughts was caught. So in turn we put bubbles on their fleet and warp the dreadnoughts back on top of them. We started working on the super carriers first, then a dread and once a couple titans jumped in, started focusing on one.

Lucian James (BL): We had good intel and Elo Knight told us to focus on a specific Erebus he believed to be capacitor fit. We overloaded and it melted.

 

RESTORING ORDER

Moments before the Erebus died, Vily managed to restore communication on Mumble and provide the critical midpoint for the rest of the CFC fleet. Things were out of control for Goonswarm in MC6-5J, so much so in all the confusion a Fatal Ascension titan pilot doomsdayed one of its own comrades in a dreadnought. There was also trouble keeping cyno ships alive long enough for reinforcements to enter the battlefield. Black Legion killed them moments after they lit, forcing Goonswarm to trickle their fleet into system and allowing Black Legion to engage smaller portions of the enemy fleet, piecemeal.

Vily: I told the titans to jump to the midpoint and switch to capacitor fit to allow them to jump as soon as possible. That implies you switch back to combat fit for the fight, but I was not clear enough with that for the new titan pilot. He jumps into the fight with the rest of us, but is cap fit, bounces and is out of range to refit to a combat fit. Black Legion and company primary him and he is killed. Once we had our titans on the field, the enemy dreads are cleaned up rather quickly.

Meanwhile, Lucian was commanding the support fleet helping take down the capitals and then proceeded to engage the CFC support fleet which had been on top of the BL cyno off of the POS. Lucian then noticed they started to microwarp drive down towards the capital fight.

Lucian James: I warped us to distance from them and started picking them off one by one, which our Muninns had enough alpha to insta-pop. I had trouble keeping up with broadcasting them because they were popping so fast.

They then followed the Razor support fleet to the sun where they found them setting up a drag bubble, with their fleet unfortunately still inside it. Black Legion and Pizza proceeded to systematically annihilate them while the remaining part of the Black Legion and Pizza dreadnoughts were killed.

 

CONCLUSION

With so much destruction the question remains, “Who won?” The tower was saved at 35% when Goonswarm lit the first cyno. Super capitals were destroyed along with a ton of dreadnoughts. In the end, over 250 billion ISK was destroyed in the battle.

Vily: Black Legion clearly won the fight, but paid a high price for it. 1 titan, 2 super carriers and 7 to 10 dreadnoughts is not worth 40 dreadnoughts. We had sub-capitals ready to go until 10 minutes after the fight was over. Part of the preparation I never had a chance to do is to plan the reinforcement route, which is how your sub-capitals will move to the fight.

Ron Mexxico (BL): I would lose 10 insured dreads for a fight like that again.

Vily: The fight would have gone very differently had the call been left to me. They went in early and without a clear picture and paid the price, leaving me to clean up the mess. Black Legion played it well and didn't make many mistakes. Credit where it is due.

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Update: Editor's Note -It appears that the final quote/summary of Vily's comments on this piece was altered by accident. Previously, a line was mistakenly included implying that Vily referred to the fight as a "Pyrrhic Victory" for Black Legion.

(12:18:02 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: had the call been left to me it would have been a very different fight

(12:18:29 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: they went in early and without a clear picture

(12:18:33 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: and they paid the price

(12:18:41 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: and left me to try and clean up the mess

(12:19:04 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: BL played it well and didn't make many mistakes

(12:19:29 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: credit where its due

We apologize to Vily; this was not a malicious error on Marlona Sky's part, as there had been discussion in TMC jabber with 'Pyrrhic Victory' bandied around by some contributors, and Marlona mistook one such contributor comment in jabber for being part of the Vily quote above. It was also four in the morning and a mountain lion had literally just eaten Marlona's neighbor's dog - I Am Not Making This Up. 

 

The record is corrected, and we apologize to everyone involved.

I have been exploding internet spaceships since 2005. While I do love me a good large scale fight, I thoroughly enjoy small scale PvP as well.