State of the Goonion: Goonswarm invades N3

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A little harsh, its just a game after all.
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You seem unhappy.
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SMUG FOR THE SMUG GOD!!!!PODS FOR THE POD THRONE!!!
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Prepare for IP ban.
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The Smugenning 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Seems to be going all out for this one. And "An atrocity that will be remembered" sure as fuck sounds fun to me. Lets do this.
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HATERS GONNA HATE!...You have to admit, without CFC. Eve would be boring.We wont have epic fyts like the one in B-R or the Burn Jita,
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Relax people im sure its just a comment on the capsuleer state of being.
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Will my insured dreads at least get shot at?
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Indeed, without half of eve nullsec being blue it would be a terribly boring.
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No, it would be fine. Those "epic" fights are boring. It might look fun when sped up x100. Not hating on goons but I can't agree with what you say.
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Cast away the blue doughnut! reset everyone! Lets have alliance level fights! .... I can dream :(
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Your free to pod Mittens if he ever undocks
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It's 18:15 Eve time now.Stream shows a heavy TiDi blobbed(?) station in Immensea, with absolutely shit music playing over it.Don't know if this 'speech' is already over or has yet to begin.I quit watching after three minutes thanks to the unbearable music.Deal(agate) with it. -1 ePeen for mittens. (not so)Sorry about that.
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LET THE HELLCAMP BEGIN! GET FUCKING DEADZONED N3
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Wellcome to camp hell
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i am running out of buckets to catch all those tears :(
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No, I think he's just pointing out the lack of real insight in your tired and overused retorts.
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The Germans attacked through the forests of the Ardennes which was France not Belgium. The French high command holed up in a chateau nicknamed "the submarine" with a moat and no phone line, communications between the French high command and the outside world was via motor cycle courier.I think you may be over thinking what was a flippant comment on a propaganda website. I was referring to Pearl Harbour as a single devastating attack and not referring to the wider global socio political decades long impact of the whole Sino American conflict.I feel I should let you know my comment is heavily laced with sarcasm in case you miss it.
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One-Victor, the JEWEL OF THE EAST
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Not winning fast enough..oh wait
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Retreat they said, we can rebuild they said. hahaha
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A week of playing Eve in a single system instead of multiple systems, not a week of everyone playing Eve 24/7.The good thing about our coalition is that we participate when we feel like it, not when our self-obsessed overblown leaders call a 'mandatory CTA'.
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-A- got 6 titans and 19 supercarriers on field in B-R, from which 4 titans and 10 supercarriers were fielded in the morning to clearing the field of what was left behind after the slugfest several hours earlier. Nulli got 6 titans and 26 supercarriers on field during the very first hours of the battle, right into the fight that was heating up but shortly become a fight that N3PL won't win - just one lonely supercarrier jumped in a few hours later and died in honour. Don't forget the 96 carriers Nulli brought in addition to the 120 - 140 subcaps (mostly frigates/interdictors though), while -A- just fielded 4 carriers in addition to some battleships which they entered at the beginning, right before the capital engagement. So... With that stats in mind, you really believe Nulli backstabbed NCdot and PL during the fight? Yeah, Nulli is really fucking bad, you're right *sigh*
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Well said. Wouldn't be so terrible if the retort was actually his, or original. Like i said, they're just following the narrative/being a sheep.
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Sure the Japanese killed the battleships, but they missed the most important assets of the fleet: the long range tenders and the fleet carriers. It was very pyhrric.
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No, Pearl harbor caused Japanese to lose a respectable amount of elite fighter pilots. Also at the time of the attack all us carriers were deployed, and since capitals were the decisive factors in naval warfare no "real" damage was done (asset-wise).
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Actually we were founded originally with the goal to be upstanding respectful players and we did do so for a few years, until BoB decided to shit on us. After that, we decided that what the rest of EVE thought about us didn't matter for shit, and decided to give a gigantic :condi: to the rest of EVE and became the sociopathic shitheads you whine about today.
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So.... Mittens just told all of EVE where the goons will be for the next week.. What a shame that BL is such a spineless pet: Be the perfect oppertunity to make a move into CFC's space.... When you let someone else dictate the narrative or define the rules of a conflict, you've already lost....
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#nomad
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BL are interested in fights, not lockdowns. They have no use for sov. There is no point for them to grind CFC sov only to get blobbed out again soon. They will get an influx of supercap owners pretty soon though. And after N3 is finally dead there will be good business opportunities for BL. Until then they will keep messing around with shit that happens close to Venal.
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And the oil depots on Hawaii which allowed the americans to easily fuel their ships and airplanes
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YES ,YES, YES !!! BURN AND KILL ALL 11111111
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I'm new to the CFC and the game; and this is what I've seen:1. CFC is always spoiling badly for "good fights," even if they end up losing, because they want to have fun.2. CFC has spent all their time in the Halloween War (which consists of them versus their perennial enemies) unable to get said "good fights" because their enemy absolutely refuses to engage that way. They inevitably escalate from one broken/abusive ship/mechanic combination to the next, from Ishtars to slowcats to the supercap-enhanced "wrecking ball." And when not even that works, they batphone PL to drop forty titans.HED was an example of the CFC trying to engage "properly;" with a fleet of dreadnaughts and subcaps trying to go toe-to-toe with another dread/carrier/supercarrier fleet. What did they get out of it? Another "lol 40 titans" dunking, with smoking servers playing a big role yet again.Now, factor in that the CFC has been fighting these same people for years now. Literally years of this shit. YEARS. I've only been in this game for four months or so, and I've only been watching N3 and friends play and talk and post for four months - and already I can't stand them. I couldn't care less if we're not playing "fair" with these guys because they never play "fair" with us - and when you account for the very real bitterness and grudges the older players have, well....
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Your diatribe isn't exactly original either, and it is pretty terrible just like all the rest.
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Let me try~It is pretty dumb to take the moral high-road in a game in the first place, but you went and wrote a blanket statement that applies to literally tens-of-thousands of real people playing a silly space game.It seems you're the one with the problem here.
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'Making people's lives hell IRL'. I didn't realize we were winning quite at that level, too.From your post, I can tell you're just sitting in high sec and crying about what cowards we are. Is there anything more cowardly in EVE than holing up in high sec and fussing about the big, bad Goons in null sec on TheMittani?'No I'm not a PL pet, N3 member or butt-hurt ex-member of some dead alliance, I'm a nobody' Indeed, you are.
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I'd like to point out that at the time of the Pearl Harbor Attack, the primary doctrine of the Wold Powers was that Battleships were the backbone of the navies. Carriers were still relativly new and were primarily used for scouting and defending the BS's, thus a whole class of ship known as an Escort Carrier. Thus from the perspective of the world, Pearl Harbor was a massive strategic victory for the Japanese
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Start a war with someone. Complain they don't give you good fights. CFC logic.
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This is perhaps the nerdiest thing I've ever read. Just sayin.
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Fellow CFC ally, I disagree with some of your perspective there.Both coalitions search for the next great exploit, the latest imbalance, the most surefire lopsided battle. I don't think any of our collective leadership blobs can resist that lure. The weight of responsibility tends to make people in leadership positions not want to fuck up and lose while they're out screwing around with their fleets on a lark, just trying to get gudfights. It pisses people off.It seems to me that in this advantage arms race, there's no room to go soft, romantically hoping that if you just pull your punches a little, if you just fight a little 'fairer'(whatever that means), maybe the opponent will too. And magically gudfights will appear. When have we ever sought to fight fair? Heaven forbid.No man, this is brutal competition. We're total assholes to each other. Why should it be any other way? That's what it takes to win. Or maybe it's more accurate to claim that's what it takes not to lose.
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The e-President delivering a missive to his e-troops? You haven't been around long, then.
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Thank you. You beat me to the post.A "good fight" is when both sides have a fairly even match and the battle comes down to the choices of the pilots and FCs. Everyone on a side has to be at the top of their game to win a "good fight". It isnt the use of overwhelming numbers or exploits to slaughter your enemies. Those maybe fun for the winning side and can be solid tactics to win battles, they are not however "good fights".
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Heh, for once I wonder if TMC was not bested by E24.The really interesting and discourse-worthy information pertaining to this SotG can be found in the GSF alliance mails that went out. It's a shame they were not cross-posted, attached or in any other way related to this article here.
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As I consider this, I think the intensity of competition and even brutality is a side effect of complexity. It's not hard to be a good sportsman, nor to expect good sportsmanship from others, in games with explicit rules and interactions. Like chess perhaps, where there's no vagueness about where the edge of the envelope lies. You know the playing field, you know all the rules, and you can expect your opponent to know it too, because it's comparatively simple.Eve is not simple. The possibilities are not well understood. The rules intermittently change with the ship stats and feature-adds. A complex gambit or smart move is not so readily apparent to everyone prior to making the move as it might be in a simpler game. But people form an impression of the envelope and rules-space anyways, and form their expectations... destined to be broken and violated as the gamespace gets explored further, or changes.I think this is why sportsmanship goes out the window.But I'm just spitballing.
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Looking forwards to seeing what comes next. Should make for a fairly stale nullsec for a while at least. But as with all things that won't last forever.
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I don't do sov warfare, but this has got me really excited. I hope to have some good stories to read during this week.
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That would be because GSF never uses alliance mail, and you - and En24 - got taken in by a low-rent troll. You can confirm this with a quick look at eveskunk.com.
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Sino is the Chinese, mate.
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Ok so 29 downed planes is a respectable amount??? America was caught off guard and had there ass handed to them.
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Let me hit you with some knowledge. At least 80% of the 30,000 members in the CFC were there for a lot longer then just this war. Saying "it's easy joining the winning side" is so ignorant and uninformed it's borderline retarded. Do you think it was easy in Fountain when it was CFC vs TEST/N3/PL? It wasn't, for a while until we got our shit together, and NC./PL went back east we were getting our shit pushed in. Did you get scammed or something trying to join goonswarm?
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If you think mitt doesn't have BL, or the RUSRUS for that matter on his agenda, you're very short sighted. Even with the NIP with PL, that only made them last on the list to "deal with."The CFC's ultimate goal is as clear as it always is: Win EVE by subjugating every other hostile or potentially hostile group. Without wars and conflicts, people get bored and leave. CFC will always go after the "next biggest group". They have to in order to survive. Why other groups don't see this is baffling. I guess they prefer to go down one by one....
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winning too fast™
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Yeah, so you might wanna check your facts and look at a map before speaking nonsense. The Germans did in fact invade trough Belgium. In fact, they would have had a hard time crossing the Ardennes from anywhere else than Belgium, since these highlands are almost entirely situated in Belgium. Here's a little map to help you visualize http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...
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Oh boy, *#$% is going to hit the fan now...
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Nice, you just killed eve for me and hundreds of other people. See you never again o7
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I wish I could hang around the local and listen to the crying. "why did you have to ruin my game" "fuckin goons pickin on us" "gonna kill all you bastards" it would be magical :')
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I think you might have Pearl Harbor confused with Battle of Midway. Japan didn't lose very many pilots during the attack on Pearl Harbor, but Midway was a pidgeon shoot for both sides. The loss of these pilots, along with several carriers, is considered the turning point in the Pacific theatre. B-R anyone?
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http://i.imgur.com/9lhflKG.png The hellcamp is well underway.
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Go and mission you peasant. Anyone who gives up so easily clearly shouldn't be playing this game.
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Grr Goon.
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I'll go back to high sec, where nullsec wars can be ignored.
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im sure that n3 didnt put all there eggs in one basketya they might have initially jumped shit there but i think they will have moved shit out
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Ofc, what's left in is what they don't want, and is also already replaced. Isn't it?
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MAIM! KILL! BURN! MAIM KILL BURN!FOR THE GLORY OF CHAOS!
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I think everyone has to admit this is the mittani's life, not every eve alliance leader has that luxury
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Nope Adm Yamato knew he missed the main meat of the fleet when the carriers were not there. He knew the importance of the carrier before the war historians and most of his own war cabinet did. He knew without a doubt that his primary goal of nuking the pacific fleet to the outrigger canoe days missed. Also most of the ships sunk by the Japanese were refloated refit and back in service in an amazing rate due to the numerous dry dock facilities up and down the west coast LBC to Seattle and Bremerton ...
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basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... , from the mittani himself
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One cannot kill or subjugate entities like BL. & SOLARCFC tried hellcamping BL, that eventually costed them big $$$ to bribe em off during the Fountain war.N3PL tried hellcamping SOLAR, now SOLAR is raging mad wanting blood.
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Was I the only one who smirked at "My people"?
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We're not out to ruin THE game, We're just out to ruin YOUR game. -- Darius JOHNSON
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Hiroshima, A shadow burned in timeNagasaki, naked baby melts aliveBurnt flesh and rubble from sea to dead shoreSuch a hideous theater of warBut that was the end--Why?There are so many more that must dieIs that not part of the plan?I must use the nukesI can't kill you all with my handsHydrogen bomb, new signs of doomThermo-nuclear, neutron bomb too...You say these devices must never be usedI say you're mistaken, let's get to the fuseBring back the bombEdit, what I mean is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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You want a topical retort: If me beating up someone's spaceship makes their life "Hell IRL" then they need to gain some perspective, go out and visit the sun for a bit and stop being giant babies about video games.And for such a bunch of poisonous back stabbing evil cuntlords somehow we manage to always hang together. Meanwhile on the enemy front they regularly sell eachother out for the price of a capital skillbook and a lowsec exit. What I'm trying to say here is: You have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to the internal politics of the CFC.
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grr pubbiesPubbie - a person who was clever enough not to waste his 10 bucks (or even more) to be able to use some internet forum from 90's with funny pictures (there is a facebook and 4chan with very same content in modern world)When they found that SA doesn't worth 10 bucks, they felt such inferiority complex that now they want to break everybodies' game (not just eve) to make themself feel better.That is a goonwaffe - to make their dream true they have tried heir best to show how awesome they are to hire some pubbies from outside - that's how goonswarm federation and cfc formed.So... Who is the winner? LowTax (admin of sa), of course - he has each goonie's 10 bucks, money from SA ads and flow of new subscribers.Mittani too - such nice ads here, wow.
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Buy a new mic mittani.
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Still banging on about the Great War. Jeez, Goons really can't get over themselves beating what they eventually became.
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OTEC/B0tLRD means that no, PL is not the CFCs prime target. Hell PL and CFC go back too far anyway (A big chunk of PLs early playerbase was former goonfleet blackops anyway). Maybe when its all done and dusted and the donuts looking uncomfortably blue, the CFC and PL might try for a final punchup, but that doesn't seem logical at this stage of the game.
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~IF~ we succeed - and this is a very big if - you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen since the disbanding and conquest of Band of Brothers.
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LOL
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Spai
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I'm not sure what side your cheering on here, but I CONCUR.FOFOFOF GRR GOONS FOFOFO
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As a belgian I can confirm that the ardennes are part of belgium.
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Poor Russians can't think so good like us, right? If only they spoke English they might see through Mittens' plot to get them to kill their mutual enemies together.
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It's about community, bro. There is no need to be upset.
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It seems your stab at being clever has missed the mark, maybe just stick to "You mad son" and whatever you crazy kids are using these days.
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Much like your post.
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Goons best allies they can be, like they were to Morsus Mihi, and to Razor when the NE was lost, lol. All Goon leaders care about is making more isk to RMT for the leaders, not anyone else, that includes the pubbies in Goonswarm let alone any other alliance they would throw under the bus to save themselves if they had to. Fortunately their leaders are good talker and have 100k of the the players in EVE blue.
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Or like the CFC you blue everyone except 2 alliances.
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CFC is still not imploding? Damn. I'll check again in a few months *Returns to wormhole*
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Stop hating on mittens so much :p he's the head of one of the top alliances in EVE and is actually a pretty cool guy. When I read your post I was hearing "mommy the big kid in the sandbox pushed me down" stop being a loser bitch and learn to appreciate a tough opponent. And what the hell do you mean damaging the game?
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didnt want those battleships or sailors anyways
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lol, so what about N3PL doing the same thing to solar fleet in R3P0?was that fair and nice?
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The difference is the old NC attacked the Russians first - not the other way around.And just like this time, the Russians formed a huge coalition and helicopter dicked the NC.
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We didn't complain, we escalated to B-R.
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That's not what N3 director spias have reported.
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RAWR, you promise?
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I want a super now just to be fc'd by Mittens.
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Who would you hate if Goons and the CFC weren't around?
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CCP!!!!1111!!!!!
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Posts like these just makes me want to blow up more spaceships.
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You had a bad shrimp, man.
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If only tmc had some ~posting guidelines~ to avoid personal attacks like yours.
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Jesus Christ that terrible meme.
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Then your stuff will be worth even more thanks to inflation. So we're really doing you a favour and lining your coffers.
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Come on, you can do better than that no effort shit-post.
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Nicely done move cfc.
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Finally. In my opinion it's completely reasonable to make people showing you the finger go back to level 4 missions and FW by force. Life is life, don't fuck with people and they wont fuck you.
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Yeah, but we have a dong, IN SPACE
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Ironically as someone who just returned to Eve after a hiatus I looked at the situation in null sec and decided joining someone in N3 was where I wanted to be. I wanted to be on that side of the fight.But here's the problem, do you know how hard it is to find one corp in that bunch that accepts someone who doesn't already have a lot of kills and carrier skills ? Go to their forums, read their message boards. They're turning people away because they don't have lots of kills, they don't have carrier skills or they're not pro enough to whore on kills while doing logi.So now I'm one of the hundreds, sitting outside the O-W station getting kills while the people I was not good enough to join are rape caged. The problem isn't always that people want to join the winning side, it's that the losing side is making it so damned difficult to join them.
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That'd be SIR "cunt" to you. Thats the thing with being the king of space. You don't have to be loved, you get to kill people who disobey.
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Lol nice, is also proof that neither side has jobs
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I have always fought against the Goons and their client alliances. But this? This isn't too far, this is merely playing to win. On paper at least it looks like exactly the right move to solidify the sudden tipping point in the capital asset war. This isn't just a spike to signal the end to their participation in the Halloween War; it's a major blow to "pre-win" the next war, if it works. Mittens of course sells the tears and the grief, cause that's what fuels the game for many lie-level goons. But this move is very strategic. A Diplomacy player like him in it just for the tears? Only tears? Nah. Grief might be fun, but Winning is sweeter still.I look forward to seeing how N3 responds.
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In most games, no one is really risking anything other than reputation and standings. Eve is different; a huge percentage of the "play" is just acquiring assets that could then be lost in a quick ball of fire. So combat engagements are risky. Like in real life. And in real life, unlike in games or sports, because of the presence of risk of loss of assets, battles and even whole wars generally only occur when both sides calculate that their odds of winning make the risk acceptable. In other words, real life warfare is generally the result of at least one party miscalculating their own power in comparison to someone else's power.Eve has a similar dynamic because of the presence of risk. Coalition leaders and large fleet commanders are reluctant to engage in what would be called "good fights" (gudfites), preferring to only fight when and where they are strong and their opponent is weak. If you want to avoid this aspect of the game, join RvB, which is essentially a sports league. There the fcs arrange fights and the leaders set up events with artificial constraints and low risk of asset loss. And it can be fun.But the fun of the Big Show--the Great Game of nulsc coalition warfare--comes from it's similarity to real life. The fights on grid are often the results of errors--bad intel, miscalculations, disinformation. Exploiting--and creating!--information asymmetry is huge fun for a certain kind of player. But not necessarily everyone's cup of tea.
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Meh. Deadzones don't last long. And there's always a good supply of people in the region that will buy stuff off the regional market without realizing a station is out of reach. Deadzoning is a PITA for market makers and major importers, but the average pilot who doesn't panic can usually get their asset value back with just a little bit of patience.
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CAN I GET A 'MAIM KILL BURN'?!
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This is eve. Carnal relations and locking down systems are not mutually exclusive.Just remember to mute your mike.
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Question. What do you do IF/When you do beat Nulli? Whose left to fight? If the big blue Doughnut comes true, why keep playing?
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R3P0 Is still ongoing, as are the others. The major thing isnt pilot assets (well cap pilots anyways). Its corp assets.
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The one where he gave out a guy's IN-GAME name and suggested people go and blow up his IN-GAME spaceships? That whole thing about gaining some perspective and not taking a video game so damn seriously definitely applies.
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Then we farm low sec incursions and fly Revenants, which CCP will buff for us.
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Except it's never as simple as just setting somebody blue. There's actual human interaction and cooperation that needs to happen.
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Well if you join a coaltion that boasts they will kill CFC and the Goons there is a pretty high chance they will respond light this. Old Chinese proverb says: " If you go hunting a Tiger don´t shoot it in the tail!"
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WOW. And there it is. Admitted its not CFC's war. But yet like communist/fascist dictators, they interfered anyways. Well done cfc. You are now Adolf Hitler, the wannabe purest. It seems you want to cleanse the entire eve. Its rather interesting how no, and i mean no one joins forces to fight the eve hitler. Thousands of people in all over eve, and they allow hitler to trample them. lmfao. unbelievable. Oh well, if they allow it and don't make new and more allies, i guess they will fall like the fools they are to eve hitler.
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Oh, i forgot to ask. Hitler (aka CFC/Mittens), is it your intention to masacre all of eve and create a new world purest order and spoil the game for thousands, or do you just just enjoy being hitlers mommy rocker.
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Before my time, but I've heard the stories.
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Well, this hero fellow is hitting all the tired and overused high points of anti-goon rants, including the "spoonfed narrative" line.
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You, there. You're a good poster.
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I didn't see it as him selling it for the tears, though they were mentioned.
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One does not simply walk into HED.
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Actually that was supposed to have been planned by DNSBlack. ~tinfoil~ I think that was the panel that the wizard hat was being worn lol
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US people shouldn't be proud about killing thousands of civillians after being striked at a military base. Yeah, it finished the war, but at what cost? People who boast about it deserve no respect. I'm sure there have been strategical reasons for doing so but there's absolutely no martial value on it.
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What this jpg means basically is that N3 does not play EVE?
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Tell that to pirate faction ships incoming nerfs.
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At what cost? Less than it would have cost to invade mainland Japan.
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Good leadership matters and yields results. Many -many- people think they can lead, their arrogance far exceeds their talent. In Mitten's case I'd say his arrogance is trying to catch up to his talent.
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You honestly believe he's not thought of that? Come on, man. Make an effort :-).
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That makes a lot of sense. Every iteration of EVE, new features and rebalanced ships make it even more of a maze to navigate. What are the risks of the new features, what are the opportunities, what does it mean for old mechanics, which new mechanics does it allow for?It is far more complex than chess, because the rules change all the time and you don't see/know the moves of other players. Chess is exceptionally brutal, but it has nothing on EVE where it comes to complexity. There are no unknowns on a chessboard, in EVE even the knowns are not certain :-).
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He would not have used 'nuking the pacific fleet' though. That was invented a bit later...
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Humans don't need reasons for doing things. We engage in the most horrific violence for any reason or no reason at all. And we have done that always.
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It was a comment on a general opinion.I know GWAR is a joke (even though teenagers from the 80's didn't tought so).
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you cant deny the man knows how to english
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US military probably had strategical reasons for using nukes. I'm not saying it was a bad decision. What I'm saying is that militarily-wise there's no reason to brag about it. It was an extremist act. It killed tens of thousands of unaware civilians much like the attack on the twin towers did.
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We clap our hands because potato.
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Best reply so far^^. Nice ban there powers, shows that this is not a "cfc propaganda machine". Can you fit anymore dicks in your orifices? Make sure you take care of mittens special like, you know how he likes it.
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Yup, that's the one.
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Maybe you should read the post I responded to, to get an idea of what a personal attack is. The guy doesn't deserve better. If you weren't such a hypocrite I wouldn't even have to tell you this. Coming from a goon it's really the pot calling the kettle black.
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I hate RL war analogies on video game wars.
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crushkilldestroyswag
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Because there's never been games that had a real historical [or present] war as a back story to the game, right?
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It is a mercy killing. "Please, for the love of Mittani, end this pain!"
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If you have not had carnal relations while playing EVE before, you're either 12 or you really need to work on those skills, baby :-).
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I'm not certain but I'm almost sure there has never been a science fiction game with a real historical war as a background.
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Unless it's a steampunk, but still that's not the point.
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I still hate it.
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CFC and test go back a long ways, what does that matter?
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That's fantasy. Just because there is some supposedly technological device on the story it doesn't mean it's a possible device. Science fiction is fiction based on scientific facts. DNA does not record personal memories. Shadowrun also has a lot of fantasy even though it is set on a cyberpunk universe. I know there is a lot of sci fi out there that is more than space ships. Bioshock and Fallout for example are good sci fi games.
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I definitely do not agree with your very narrow reading of what science fiction is. Science fiction is not 'what could conceivably be a real device if only we had more advanced technology'. There's a lot of that in there, but that's not all there's to it.I'm thinking hard about another sic fi game referring to an ancient war. I -will- find one.
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That's not a reading, it's the definition of sci fi. A lot of people confuse sci fi with fantasy because a lot of the science fiction out there introduce fantasy elements to it. That's mostly because some of the tech imagined from scientific discoveries looks like fantasy for someone who does not understand it... so some writers tend to think that anything goes.I was wrong about no sci fi games having historical war backgrounds, I just remembered there's the Wolfenstein series (although they also use fantasy on at least one of the games). Anyway, I still don't like when ppl take an original sci fi piece like EvE Online and use it's setting to make analogies with RL wars. IMO that is the same as using a game like GTA to make analogies of RL crime. It's indirectly forcing a pseudo-morale introduction to virtual actions.Also, why do you think video games have age classifications on some countries? That's because imaginative kids tend to put themselves on the place of the protagonists. A fully developed adult can read a piece of fiction through his own perspective. An unexperienced kid, on the other side, tends to see himself as a character of the story he reads. Futuristic sci-fis like EvE are set on unparelleled universes. An EvE character is not bound by any real historical backgrounds. Even that being so, instead of playing an original character that can do literally anything the gaming set allows, some people prefer to make RL analogies so that deep inside they can pretend to be historical characters just like kids do. That is not a bad thing by itself, but when ppl start playing RL genocidal generals it kind of breaks the mood for me.Anyway, I'm no PHD. I may be saying a lot of bullshit here but that's my sincere opinion. I was all up for the GSF invasion until ppl started bragging about WW2 nukes. That's fucking depressive.
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Detorid Rock City. I was there when we first captured 0-W good times. Oh man, I think I might have a battleship still in 0-W.
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Sino- means Chinese, btw.
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1. I don't mean to beat a dead horse and I'm not looking to 'win an internet'. I'm just interested in the topic.2. > An EvE character is not bound by any real historical backgrounds.This is simply not true. EVE lore has it that Gallente Gallente are descendent from Earth's France region. That is your historical connection. It's not really pronounced, but it's there.3. As far as science fiction goes: we are reading more and more in DNA, and we are even thinking of using it to encrypt messages. It's a small step to imagine that this has already happened and that an 'Animus' machine is the thing that can read that and translate that on-the-fly. So, I don't think this happened in the past because: no electricity, but who knows what we don't know, right? To me that's enough of a connection between technology and the real world to count as science fiction. Heinlein uses devices in 'Glory Road' that are more akin to fantasy, but I count it as science fiction. He's done other stories that were much more pronounced as science fiction "Have Space Suit - Will Travel', 'Space Cadet', "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress'...For me it's fantasy when it eschews any kind of electronic technology and uses magic as a device.You may, of course, disagree.
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thats why people love wot :)
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Technically, when you invest people to "SIT IN ONE PLACE" for ages, "OTHERS" come and burn your house down while you're out.No idea who they are as you are 90% of the people that are interested in this niche style of play and still have 10s of thousands of window lickers (you call 'friends, but you can't even reel off the real names 10 of them) to do this to the next 5 ~ 6 entities that do something upsetting to you.I've seen some of this happening with the baby titan and sc parts getting burned down.CCP need to look at what's going on here and roll some dice or it's going to be a tough year for 'recruiting staff'.Good luck Goonies, tough titties CCP. You keep making them more and more comfortable.
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Good job Vee :D
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It's simple. If any device, technological or not, by the will of the author and not some misconception, does impossible things in a fiction, then it's not scientific. If the pair of keys I have on my table could transport me to a distant planet just by me holding them tight in my hands, then I would be living in a fantasy, not a science fiction. DNA is just a blueprint for cells. You can deduce the appearence and a lot of things about your ancestors through your DNA because your DNA is composed by parts of both your progenitors DNAs. But it's only parts, not the whole of it. The parts of your ancestor's DNA that are not the same as your own's are lost... unless you have brothers that share them, but even if you do, you would not be able to distinguish wich parts came from wich of your parents unless you already knew their DNAs too. The DNA on Assassins Creed is not a story motif, it's just a frame. My guess is that saying that the device used in it is magical, or mystic would not please the game public. But magic is exactly what it does. They woudn't need to explain why you're playing the characters ancestors to make a good story if they really wanted to.The crypto thing about DNA is that you can code the DNA structure to a digital language and use that code as a key, but you can do that with practically anything. If you can code your voice's timber to a digital language then you can use it as a crypto key. The advantage of the DNA in this case is that it will not change as long as you live, but your voice will, so if you lock something with your voice and catch a flu you will not be able to unlock it.

state-of-the-goonion-february

There was a State of the Goonion speech today at 18:00 EVE, livestreamed on TMC Twitch. Here's the transcript. 

My people, you may have expected this to be a victory speech. A round of congratulations about B-R5 and sweeping up Immensea, Tenerifis and Omist, followed by praise to our Russian allies and announcing that relations between the CFC and Solar Fleet have never been closer, our new bonds forged together in war. That’s all true - but this is not that speech.

Perhaps you expected me to ask you to continue to train for Archons and Naglfars - which is true, you should do that - but this is not that speech.

Perhaps you expected me to to say that after B-R5, everyone in the CFC should also aim to own a Titan or a Supercarrier. That’s true too - you should absolutely get supercapitals, such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies. But this is not that speech.

My people, we have been at war since November. This war has seen its ups and its downs; while we achieved a crushing victory in B-R5, we suffered a crushing loss in HED-GP. I know that we are tired - tired of the grind, tired of taking systems from N3 without a fight, tired of endless bloc warfare.

What I am about to ask you to do is not easy, and I know that. I’m going to ask you to give me a week - a week of absolute commitment - in this silly little internet spaceship game that we all play.

One week.

Your favorite FCs and all of our allies have already committed to this. We are about to enact a strike that Mister Vee designed himself. You’re going to love it, and it’s going to catch the entire galaxy by surprise. The reward for your week of hard driving?

~IF~ we succeed - and this is a very big if - you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen since the disbanding and conquest of Band of Brothers.

When I tell you what we are going to do, there is going to be a mad rush. You need to be ready to jump, with your carriers packed,  as soon as this speech ends. We know our enemies will scramble literally everything they have to stop us, and this first hour of the operation will be the most critical.

So right now, I’m going to ask you to join the fleets to move. Mister Vee has a fleet guarding the N3 staging system to make sure that they do not interfere with our plans, but we have other enemies lurking. Some of these fleets may begin to move during this speech itself; listen to your fleet commanders and don’t distract them with idle chatter during this critical moment.

Euro Goonion is already deployed to secure the movement, they have the boring duty of locking down N3 while we get the fuck out of the East.

As you know, we’re moving out of AF0. We will not be returning anytime soon. There will be follow-up convoys for those of you who have missed this speech, never fear.   

The galaxy thinks we are heading to Fountain, to Venal or to Providence. These are amusing diversions, but fundamentally a waste of a full CFC deployment. Yet we cannot stay in the East forever;  this war between the RUS and N3 is not ours, and we must look towards our home. The situation is extraordinarily complex.

So, my friends, what do we do?

We end the war between the RUS and N3 by stabbing N3 in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving. We go to their staging system in 0-W778 in Detorid - that system where they have evacuated three regions worth of assets, all the filth and all of the dross from Immensea, Tenerifis and Omist - All the Kadeshis, all the Whysos, all the Unthinkables, and of course Nulli Secunda, who proved themselves in B-R5 by leaving Pandemic Legion and NCdot to die, putting less Titans on the field than Triple-A, retreating before anyone else and abandoning their allies.

This is why we allowed N3 to evacuate I-N in Immensea. Not ~mercy~, not some Sun Tzu bullshit about golden bridges of retreat. We let them consolidate all their assets from all their lost regions in one place, and if you give us this next week, if you commit absolutely to this operation, they will lose not only a tremendous amount of assets, but their entire active capital fleet.

For the next week, we will live in 0-W778 23/7. We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their coward’s prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.

The fleet Mister Vee formed to guard our supposed move to the West is actually the first wave in this assault. You will be moving your assets from AF0 to One-Victor and immediately rushing to support the Scourging of 0-W778. Every N3 tower will be burned and caged. We will live in 0-W778 in staging towers; we will log out in 0-W778 in staging towers. For the next week our complete focus is on the capture of 0-W778.

When Goonswarm was founded, we based our diplomacy on one principle: to be the best possible friend and the worst possible enemy. N3 declared that they exist to destroy us: if we merely slap them on the wrist and take three regions from them, we are hardly the worst possible enemy. It is time to live up to our founding ethos. 

I know you can do this. In the Great War, we held the camp of PR-dash for THIRTY DAYS. I ask you now to give us just one week.

Our allies are already on the move, Mister Vee is already there, and the jaws of our trap are closing.

I’ll see you in 0-W778.

 

 

 

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