Slopes for the Slope Throne: The SMA Purge

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no one cares about this, tell us about thishttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alli...
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API purge, all characters without valid API's were purged. This mainly impacts people who unsubbed, people who forgot to set API to never expire, and people who didn't properly link alts to mains. You might notice that no corps were kicked from alliance.But we sure have a lot of inactives...
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We purged people from GoonWaffe that hadn't logged in in 60 days or had an invalid API.
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One can only imagine what Mittens response to a signed post (mail) was...
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Yeah because its totally unheard of to sign a mail. A forum post makes no sense to sign, but a mail.. yes, that makes sense to sign (especially as he uses the space to tell Mittens who he is - he left that out at the top heh).
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This was sent through EVE mail, and the sender is linked in the header. there still is no real need to sign your mails.
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And I'm going to have to accept them all back in when they wake up :cripes:
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I'm going to have to accept them all back in when they wake up, aren't I :cripes:
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Why did BL need to be interviewed for this?
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well, i asked ron mexxico for a battle-report where a branch resident fleet got dunked, and that's pretty much it. I thought the people who did the most regular dunking would have the best perspective. In the end that part was deemed irrelevant and never made it in.The other aspect is that i want to know some people in BL because they do make a good bit of news and Hilmar Keller isn't the most diligent with reporting, i don't think he even writes here anymore.
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Hilmar isn't in BL.
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Yes, the direkkktorate made another mess for you to clean up get owned
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It has already begun. on top of a newbie drive no less. :frank:
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Isn't he in broski north? he was the guy who wrote most of our BL related stuff before he went silent.
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You just wrecked the opportunity to craft a beautiful troll. This is why we can't have nice things: Goons are too honest these days.
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Disagreeing with the author is one thing. Tossing around racial slurs is likely to get you tossed. Your post doesn't even have the virtue of being funny.
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He parted ways with us over 5 months ago, during the deployment to LEM with the Drone Coalition.Now he's in RvB doing god knows what and posting witty one liners on kungusumang
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....so either mutliple people have started posting as "Budnacho" or he's suddenly developed Multiple Personality Syndrome since last I talked to him ingame.
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Nah, i've been gone for months. The scent of failure was too strong, i was from a corp that actually did care, and did work. But you can only hang on so long before you just up and decide you have had enough of the brothers crap.
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Nah Nomi, you caught me on a "Bored at work" day....Stopped by the site, saw the fun and had to join!...I'll chat you up online when I see ya....
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Band of Brothers was BoB Mk 1, KenZoku was Mk 2, IT was Mk 3, and 4O1K is trying real hard to be Mk IVSadly, no, they won't be hellcamping us into a station because the Big Black Coalition's goal is harassment.
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Well with a big part of the SMA alliance gone it remains to be seen how the SMA will survive in the nearest future. The same basic problems within the alliance are still there. A total curtain around what happens with all the isk that is collected from the membercorps. Every corps has been paying huge amounts of isk for renting offices and pve taxes based on ratting incomes. After the big heist a couple of months ago one of the alliance leaders boasted that the amount of ISK stolen was more or less back in alliance wallet already 3 weeks after it happened. So where does the SMA ISK go? Surely you would expect a rich alliance to equip its´s fc:s with the best tools to win a battle like a Titan for bridging? As an SMA pilot you got used to fleets slowboating through Venal to VFK or any other system of operations instead of having a Titan jump the the fleet there. Moons in systems were held by alliance and handed out as lollipops to corporations that had distinguished themselves in battle. This, of course, seriously limited a corporations means of making ISK and growing stronger and thus making the alliance stronger. The pvp fleets forming up taking extremely long times and often failing to be set up to meet the requirement of the named fleet doctrine. Several FC;s being incompetent and whelping fleet after fleet and still being allowed to go on. After a certain junior fc, famous for whelping almost anything he led, left the alliance to join 401, a movement that the SMA gained from in both ends, you would have expected to see a more competent breed of fc:s coming forth. Sorry to say that did not happen. Failure to defend the SMA space from intruders and failure to react in a decisive manner after enemies anchored towers in SMA space. Internal security as tight as a tinbucket after you shot it with a shotgun. The only department with a somewhat competent crew was the diplomatic one. The work with cutting out the bad parts of the alliance is not yet done. There are still a handful of members that need to be removed. Any former or present SMA members knows who I refer to without need to name them. But that will alas not happen. You can all guess why.
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It took my computer about 2 hours to delete all the logs from three years of playing on nine characters. I need to clean that out more often.
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As a random highsec nobody, I am offended at being associated with this particular turd.
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This is pretty much exactly how it was. Oftentimes there would be an OP called within SMA and while myself and members of my corp were headed to staging systems we would pass by tons of people just reaping all the rewards of membership while doing nothing at all to defend or accomplish alliance goals. for example there would be 80 people in the OP fleet. On the way to staging system maybe 6 jumps/jbs away i would pass by 40+ people that i knew were not going to move an inch.
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VFK by 2020!
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The charming German chap who developed dotlan doesn't get anywhere enough credit.
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Amen brother. The only thing that pissed us off more was the smugg attitude the carebears took when we trolled them about their participation... because for the last 8 months or so they new the leadership would'nt do squat to them. Nothing has been more rewarding than seeing them get bounced out the door.
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As one of the SMA guys who went to Delve with my goonbro's, I somehow had better attendance to strat ops, then most the carebears who were 2 jumps from the staging system, whereas I was several regions away. Jumping though countless systems where I see ratting carriers or ships on scan when I'm heading to a strat op. But now that I see them getting their asses kicked out, it makes me feel better.I'm fine with the purge so far. Angry Mustache said it pretty spot on. :)
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Stop Crying Troy Hackler
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An kicked member provided his comments on reddit, it is reposted here.As a member of one of the kicked corporations, I have to say this first and foremost; when the culling first began, I talked to Llama (the head diplo of SMA) regarding our participation level, since it was likely we could be kicked if we didn't boot it up. He personally told me over comms that we were good but should improve, which is what my corp started to do in terms of gathering participation links and boost corp participation in operations. We also shed an excess of ~20 inactives to remove dead weight and slim down as the alliance policy.However, late last Sunday, my corp as well as six or seven others were booted instantly, without warning or a chance to prepare. I tried to get in contact with multiple diplos after we were booted, but all rejected my invites to convo with them, as well as not replying to mails I sent. They gave us temp blue +5 status, and then started sniping members as best that they could (ingrates, all of them). LAWN and FCON proceeded to camp the undock of C-HCGU, a vital midpoint from getting out of the northern part of Branch into Venal during our evacuation, which we had to sort out through multiple diplomatic talks with contacts inside both alliances. Following this, we continued the evacuation and managed to hop and skip straight across the Venal/Tribute expanse to Lonetrek and finish up evacuation, while working with multiple other exile corps.So, understandably, there is some bad feelings between the booted and our former alliance members; namely, them sniping our members as we were evacuating, no warning or response as to why we were kicked and removed, even though by all accounts we and several others were above the minimum and consistently starting to get our members into fleet constantly (something we had been pushing for after a big activity dropoff in the corp).Just another perspective of what went on.
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You got it wrong the purge is to give TEST and the rest of EVE a chance, i admit its not much of a chance though.
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I feel the article title might be offensive to Asians..... just saying....
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Because 2 weeks of participation makes up for 6 months of ignoring strat-ops.Because corps should only feel the need to participate when threatened with removal from alliance.Because a diplo is going to be negative when trying to encourage participation (and corp leaders don't read between the lines).Because giving moons to corps who are actually participating stops the corps from making isk & discourages participation.Because FC's can magically make people form up fast when it's the corp members who don't have their shit ready (no, you can't bring your drake to a blaster talos fleet, no really. oh it's all you can fly? So, that killmail of you when you were dropped by 401k blops ratting in that t2 fit blaster talos, that didn't happen?) & are prepared to get in fleet at a moments notice that is obviously the alliance leaderships fault - nothing to do with the corp's leadership. Of course, it's also obvious that players should not take any responsability on themselves to have doctrine ships ready to go rather than relying on contracts being up - or even seeing it as an opportunity to make some isk for themselves by putting their own contracts up (I believe this was included in the metrics as a 'participation' factor for the corps).Because skilled FCs will stick around in alliances where nobody wants to actually get in fleets, and the 6 people who actually are there for the home def fleet are easily enough to take out the 20 man roam going through your space (which is the fifth roam to go through in the last 4 hours and its the same 6 people who try to get the fleets going for def each time).You do have a point about the titans for bridging and the like... but really there is little excuse to be late to strat-ops when they are notified well in advance, and there are often reminders through jabber 4 then 2 hours beforehand.
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Sigh. Seems I combined answers to two posts in this one (see post from angry moutsache from 'An kicked member provided his comments...' below). Oops.
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Wheres Molli or Digital Communist? Were not really worried.
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nothing more fun than waking up at 8am, logging in to eve and seeing a bunch of error messages when you can't join all your intel channels.still more fun than staying up until 4am for strat ops, though.
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I am asian and i am not the least offended by the title, I actually don't know why people would be offended.
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More like Mittani would puke literal rainbows at being handed such a gift package.Such developments would make more goons log in than ever.
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THERE ARE NO GOONSif you say it enough times it'll be true
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But if you kick FCON who will keep SMA safe at night?
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I guess ski slopes are offensive too, then. Because you do realize slope refers to the graph slope and not the racial slur?
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Man I wish SMA all the luck in this... because frankly I'd like to see us do this as well. I think it'd help a lot of folks out with the "inactivity" problems that seem to crop up. I level my own personal and sometimes harsh criticism of SMA in general, but I genuinely hope this trims them into a fierce and vibrant member of the CFC.
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That slope sure is slippery.
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Instead of looking into the problem you try to shovel them over to the members. If an organisation like SMA is not working don´t balme it on the members. Shit runs downhill.Skilled fc:s stick around if they are treated with respect and not having to listen to the ranting of a certain " Skymarshal". You lead by example not by intimidating and ridiculing. If Winet could for a second pull his nose out from the butthole of the brothers, where it is embedded so deep he can smell their toncils from the inside, he would see how things are made elsewhere.Members become more skilled in forming up and being prepared if they are encouraged to do things the right way instead of being sneered at with a " if you join our fleet in that ship I will have you primaried". If the fleetannouncment would contain the doctrine needed instead of a general " to be announced" the members could have a chance to prepare. One would think that such a rich alliance could afford to import some fitted doctrine ships and have on alliance contracts with a small markup. I can´t remember seeing any during almost 18 months in that alliance. I have been in CFC for almost 5 years and seen sveral alliances from the inside. Btw have you ever thought of how much more difficult it would be for 401 to drop poses around Branch if they actually would have to bash a pos at each and every moon they want to take over for their purposes? And finally one notion and that is most people play this game for fun. They pay their accounts and they expect to enjoy their time online. They might log in just a minute before the strat op is announced and try to get on the train. Most people I know seem to put more value on taking care of their family and real life first. That is something any would be "Spacenapoleon" should always remember. If you try to intimidate people to conform to your way of playing you end up in the situation that SMA is now. Most of the players did not give a flying f... about what happened to the alliance.. If you cannot inspire your members to get into fleets and make it fun you are obviously not up to the task. Making nice looking announcments with witty remarks and pictures of monkeys really isn´t enough.
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Angela Daemonic > we might aswell give the space to you guys(401k), you do more for their structures than they doJaiimez Skor > Yea the general consensus is reset SMA give 401K their space.from day 5 on http://www.kugutsumen.com/show....We tried to make life more fun, SMA just got their panties in a bunch and ran to the diplos.
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All's fair in war, a win is a win. Watching the old bob cheer leaders still unload tears makes me happy.
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Yes, you're right; it is the responsibility of the leadership to take action when things aren't working right. The action that should have been taken long ago was reinforcing the expectation - that was always present since I joined SMA before we came to branch - that getting your shit sorted is your *own* problem, not the alliance or the FC. Reinforcing that by making it the member corps' leaders responsibility to police their members, which clearly wasn't happening, and.actively kicking corps that wouldn't get it together, which also wasn't happening.Winet is a dick and has been described as the skymarshal that Monkies deserved.The last time I heard an FC threaten to primary someone was when they tried to join a home def fuckyou fleet in a freaking vindicator ffs. If a member can afford & can fly a multi-billion isk ratting boat, they can sure as shit fly a 50 mill isk cruiser. That they wouldn't take the 20 minutes away from their precious ratting time to buy & fit one out themselves in down time between fleets is pretty fucking pathetic. The hulls are on the market, the parts are on the market. The doctrines are all easily accessible. Oh, but *effort* and *isk per hour*.I do agree with you, the real scandal is that a supposedly industry heavy alliance - with many corps who played up the "we don't pvp we do indie for the alliance" didn't have a constant supply of contracts up for doctrine from those corps. So they weren't in fleets... and they weren't making stuff the alliance needs... so how were they contributing? Ratting taxes? Oh, but that's right, they didn't have any moons to do things on, right? 'Cos moongoo is required for t1 ships and barren moons weren't freely given out to anyone who asked.Have you ever thought how we do actually bash 401k poses in Venal - when fleet participation allows? Oh, you didn't know? Or how 401k etal *do* form up with numbers to bash poses that are in their way and defend when we attack while SMA members were all 'playing to have fun and enjoy their time'. I wonder if that's because when the fleets go up nobody joins so it ends up being 3 people in bombers hitting them just to give 401k an annoying attack mail."I deserve to be left alone to do what I want to do 'cos I pay my $15", sure, you are, but you are in a corp that joined an alliance that has participation as a requirement of membership. The participation is on a corp level. If none of your corp are showing, while having people being online for the entire duration of the op, or only the same 3 people of your corp are showing ever, then that's a corp issue not an alliance issue ("oh but they're alts!" yeah right). Also, strat ops are generally cfc lead; laying participation issues at the feet of Winet or our FC's doesn't stand up - if you don't like our FC's join the cfc lead fleets, there are plenty enough happening to show you're participating."Most of the players did not give a flying f... about what happened to the alliance" yes, that is a failure by the alliance leadership.But corp leaders should in some way have to care about their corp being kicked out of the alliance that has the juicy space they are in; that there has been no consequences for not pulling their finger out when told to is what has landed us in this mega-purge.
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Pretty sure it says who you are, in your inbox, and again- in the mail- in bold yellow letters.So no, there's no reason to sign your mail. Ever. Every single in-game and out of game form of communication in the CFC is attached to a forum name which is usually in most cases your main character in-game.
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"I have been in CFC for almost 5 years and seen sveral alliances from the inside."Yeah uh the CFC didn't even exist 3 years ago
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Are you serious?
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Obviously. I wasn't being serious dude.
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Eve mail me in game and we can talk about a job for you.
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To bad we just aborted one of SMA's baby titans. Would not fight our 100 man gang with their 200. So they waited till they had 400 to start moving in and the race began. BBC won that race killed the csaa with no contest from SMA or gewns.So hows that high participation level going for yah...
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GENTS were not subject to the Branch curse.
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Now you know how MPX felt when River screwed us over. Only one corp stood up for our membership, the rest of the sheep said and did nothing. Now that the shoe's on the other foot it's not so fun on the receiving end is it?
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You're forgetting the average line members ability to do simple shit like click warp to instead of jump, don't expect them to notice the obvious names in an EVEmail without it being worded out to them.On the other hand that letter was cringe worthy.
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I always get a kick out of people that feel the need to end their eve mails like business memos; nobody cares what your space titles are, if you're important- they already know.
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nice but SMA still the worst alliance ever
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shame of CEO, kill yourself.
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp...what is happening here. seems to be droopy
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Haha... I guess that's your excuse for your corp spending more time in the Anoms than on the frontlines. Enjoy evac'ing.
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Not at all. I think I'm the only one from my tz in the corp. I just like sleeping more than I like eve.
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At least you get to get to accept newbees :)
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But you have to have logged in within the last 60 days and have a valid API
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That argument is terrible. It's common courtesy to sign emails, which are no different than an EVE mails.
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they are asking for too much.
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I never laughed this much on my life. what a shame.
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they already kick the one who kept SMA safe at night so in reality no one is keeping thenm safe since retirement club and black legion get in and out and do hot dropping like it was their house but well that is life and this is just a game...
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Well Its taken me a few days (with work and all) to get round to reading this................ and its a load rather contrived bullshit.The brothers are AFK most of the time. The alliance "Sky Kitten" (dumbfuck name) is an arrogant fuckwit with the people skills of a rabid badger that's eaten a few to many grams of the coke and has been locked in a room with a group of dumbfuck teeenagers. It takes 30 minutes to an hour to form fleets which end up being called off due to members still not having the right doctrine.SMA has a multitude of problems and a purge was needed but to say it was all their own doing is naive.My corp left before the purge and all I can say is we got out just in time.
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we used Jabber to send the letter my friend

May has been a tumultuous month in New Eden. The dissolution of the HBC along geopolitical lines has uncovered fissures within alliances that were hidden under the veneer of a united front. This instability has led some corporations in 'southern' alliances to jump ship - or even mutiny against their alliance leadership. Either way, the alliance goes into a tailspin, and membership statistics on Dotlan begin to droop into the characteristic slope commonly associated with failure cascades.

While Raiden. has yet to officially disband, here’s Unclaimed.:

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And here’s their renters:

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And SMA?

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Well, actually, not SMA.

The precipitous decline in SMA member count is not the result of leadership squabbles or alliance failure, but rather one of the largest purges in the history of EVE. In the past two weeks, SMA has voluntarily given the boot to 18 corporations and 1300 characters as a part of a massive 'spring cleaning' campaign.

Why

To put it gently, SMA has not had a glowing reputation of late. The alliance is used as the butt of jokes inside and outside of the CFC, some good-humored, others malicious. While SMA has always put up very respectable numbers for CFC strategic ops, the participants come from a relatively small number of corps - and the performance of independent SMA fleets tends to be uneven. Adding to the woes is the recent theft of 600 billion by a member of the logistics team, along with the leak of SMA diplomatic logs onto Kugutsumen.com.

Much of this trouble can be attributed to what SMA diplomat Oerlikon Llama calls “the Branch Curse”. When a formerly space-less or couch crashing alliance obtains good quality space, the immediate motivation that drove the alliance to fight for the space disappears, and members become content with ratting and other moneymaking activities at the cost of fleet activity and overall willingness to improve.  Holding lucrative space also attracts a different kind of recruit: the kind that are more interested in Sanctums, Forsaken Hubs, and ABCs than answering the call for home defense. All this adds mountains of extra weight and bloat to an alliance without necessarily increasing the available pool of PVP players or talent that a nullsec organization sorely needs. Between December of 2011 and December of 2012, SMA grew from 800 members to slightly over 3000 - an increase of 375%. 

Perpetually broke pilot of Goonswarm. Will shill for isk.