ROGUE Supercapital Shipyard Torched

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Sorry ROGUE, but don't shit where you eat.
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I saw a ROGUE guy in one of our fleets say they had about 5 guys deployed to fountain. Quite harsh to lose CSAAs and supercarriers over that.
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Reading what NC. has to say about this it seems NC. is just becoming paranoid that the CFC might try and invade the drone regions next.They're already calling ROGUE RAZOR pets so they're already trying to demonize them.Considering what ROGUE has done so far in fountain this is a major overreaction and only paints NC. as the aggressor, this might come back to bite them in the ass.
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https://docs.google.com/presen...~sending some guys over~
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Plain and simple, NC hates cfc, drums up false charges on Rouge so they could shoot something and say it was a victory over the CFC.
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With the state of open warfare between the CFC and N3, and the fact that N3 has the greater part of its capital/supercapital strike force back home right now to do a quick fire-purge of SOLAR, it makes sense that they would decide to liquidate the CFC's only beachhead in the Dronelands while the local correlation of forces is favourable.Sorry ROGUE, but it's sounding like you chose the wrong bed to sleep in. Odds are good it's nothing personal, but c'est la guerre.
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Can't wait to take NC.'s space (again) after we take Fountain!
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How exactly can this be called a victory over the CFC if ROGUE are not part of the CFC? :)
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N3 you know what going to happen this winter right ?After all gold mines are secured we will fly East to headshot your shit elite coaltion.This time you can bet The Mittani will chase you down like the dogs you are.Winter is comming, dig yourself in as a shitstorm is comming your way,Everything the CFC targets perish or breaks, fast or slow doesnt matter.But the outcome will always be the same, Roma Victor.Cant wait till the winter comes <3
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This is just a cheap excuse for NCdot to win a fight mate. Also bailing back to Drone Region (to purge SOLAR - LOL, why now? why not let them get a few more suystems and when it actually matters go back and revert everything back in a few days) was an excuse to get away from the murder they were getting in Fountain ... pick on the small guy to make you feel like a man ... pathetic.
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First NC. says it's not their war in Fountain and then they get upset for R O G U E trying to go fight? Shit! It's more of them trying to be a bully with their supercaps to flex their epeen might if you ask me. Their pets WhySo, is already scanning moons all over Cobalt Edge.
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Yea ... attacking CFC sovereignty always's a good idea ... This will turn out good ...
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Why So NC. pets? You sir, are a dumbass.
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Caught you mirin' lel.
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How is your interpretation of what NC. is doing in Drones any different than what the CFC is doing in Fountain?Don't worry, I'll wait...
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NCdot breaking their deals and making excuses is nothing new. Vince just ain't trustworthy.
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TEST is clearly the little guy right?They're a 3 year old alliance with thousands of members and vast sov holdings, not the "little guy."
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Difference being that CFC is fighting what? 2 coalitions in Fountain - with more numbers that CFC? Not a single, small entity ... even it it wold have been TEST alone we are talking about a 12.500 alliance not a 2.000 one ;) On a added note CFC is taking moons cuz' that is what they want, not attacking a small alliance because of a stupid reason ;)Do you have enough differences now?
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Oh, you like people working against you behind your back? Shouldn't ROGUE be glad they weren't evicted from Southern Cobalt Edge in the first place? They were given the chance to stay there as a rather neutral entity, but now they are aligning with one side of the conflict. As an alliance/coalition leader I wouldn't let them build cap stuff either.
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Yeah, 40 systems is absolutely nothing. 40 rentable systems don't matter. Ofc. Die.
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Well, dinosaurs and bees have little brains. So based on just intellect, I can say its a pretty even fight between CFC and TEST.
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I would like to see WhySo take CE without NC.s help. That isn't going to happen.
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Then you are in for a surprise my friend. I believe Why So and INK kicked RZR/FA ass big time. Or did you forget about that failed deployment?
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Vince in the NCdot SOTA: "it's not our war it's TEST's"Vince to ROGUE: "stay out of my war"hurrrrr
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They are supposedly pets of rzr and rzr is part of CFC so a quality NC. member can probably make that in to we won over CFC. We so great and bad ass and we did not at all need help from PL to fight Solar.
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Didn't you guys claimed like a week ago (before the caps fiasco) that SOLAR's progress doesn't matter and you were expecting them to take a few systems while you are deployed?
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NC.'s enemy is the CFC. ROGUE seems to be part of the CFC. NC. attacks said enemy, people are getting massively butthurt because I don't know why, herp derp no logic merp? They are a possible thread at the Borders of N3 space, so why not attack them if they are CFC cocksuckers?
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LOL, yea ... my bad, didn't see that one coming ... :)
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So NC. went back to shoot their systems for 3 days. OLOL INB4 TEST FAILCASCADE OR WHAT
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Actually ... yep
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is a razor i'm deeply sry for rouges loss. i cant understand why we didn't help. you guys would deserve it
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Lady Scarlet grow some balls oh wait you cant
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Hmm and I thought it was the entire N3 coalition + PL doing that ... imagine this ...
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RZR/FA never undocked because of the threat caused by PL and the whole N3 next door. Nothing to do with Whyso alone :D
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Short term, maybe. Long term, they chose the side where they won't have to rent and will be an alliance of a coalition, not just a pet. As long as they don't failcascade right now, they'll be fine, even if they loose cobalt edge. The CFC have plenty of space nearly empty waiting for loyal allies.
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Because you're too far, it's as simple.
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I don't think the combined forces of TEST, PL, Ncdot and Nulli counts as 'the little guy'. They would completely smash any organisation other than the CFC.
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NC. can't hold on to their deals ... had the impression that was common knowledge.
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N3 or PL have been involved in 1 fight clearing SBU's. Nothing more.
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All these goons with ~tinfoil~ and NC. hate.
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I'm disappointed, where is the post saying, "Death to all super caps". Things are too political now. Can't we all be happy that 2 supers died?
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more like grow a sixth chin BOOYA
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Are you talking about yourself? Sitting in the middle of Solar-space, failcascading in fountain and bailing out before losses got too heavy. And ofc Vince shitting on contracts. Thats gonna end very well for NC. after CFC is done with Fountain.
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Brain size has no relation to brain capacity. If it were true, Whales would be the dominant creatures on earth rather than humans. If you want to compare a bee to a dinosaur in the intelligence stakes, the bee would actually win since they're capable of creating and maintaining complex structures from raw building materials, farming, and caring for their sick to an extent. Dinosaurs on the other hand were pretty dumb, and the most intelligent thing they did was hunt. (spoiler: Jurassic park lied)
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Remember last time when we went after NC.? The level of butthurt was quite amazing.Best of all it will be repeated. Goons don't forget backstabbing. Sooner or later we will come for you and grind you in to the dust until you end up like bob running around with 401k and pretending to be relevant.
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Starburst escape ? Like change pos password and get kicked outside to jump ?
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Yea because the CFC is the pinnacle of trustworthiness.
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So I'm struggling to understand where the issue is here. Rogue was joining CFC whilst being neighbours with Nc./N3 the largest coalition aligned against CFC, so in retaliation, NC. kill some rogue shit.Its pretty black and white tbh
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Oh and if XIX is really joining N3 I wonder how long until it loses its geminate holding's, pretty much the same situation.
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Actually, the CFC operates on the Best friends, Worst Enemies policy, generally you have to back stab them in some way before they start backstabbing you.
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As much as it is tried to be played down etc when it comes to the CFC everyone else is the little guy, CFC is clearly the super power of eve no questions asked.Look at the situation at the minute, you have test who have the ability to field the single largest alliance only numbers, you have NC. PL capital numbers as well as N3 PL etc disciplined fleet doctrines and extra numbers added on top of that.What else can really be thrown at the CFC if that group cant do it. The Russians, CVA and Dinner squadron, that is literally it. I mean the entirety of eve would need to gang up to fight the CFC at its current peak.Playing the underdog has worked well for the CFC so far but there has to come a point when you realize it's a bit of a joke playing that card.Props to all you've achieved but id really like to see the smaller more fragmented null sec of 05 - 07 come back :)Edit. and please no more "BUT THEY OUTNUMBER US" its really annoying reading this crap o/
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From the actually deployed alliances I've got it as CFC numbering 31000 (rounded up) and the allies numbering 26000. That's including TRIBE PL NC. Nulli pangu kadeshi etc etc. With N3 PL having to focus back east.The CFC also has uniformal purpose doctrines intel etc, it basically works as one alliance which is a significant advantage.You are so far from being out numbered it is hilarious.
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CFC had actually lost several systems before they managed to turn it around, after about a week of victories. A couple of hundred more in fleet against the CFC could easily have had us talking about Cloud Ring right now. It was closer than people give credit for.You might be right about needing most non-CFC alliances to band together. The problem I see with that is that Ncdot is a bit of a diplomatic trainwreck. First the whole Geminate saga, then Raiden, then BL, then Red Alliance, then going back to fight Solar and now ROGUE. PL also has problems with its reputation. I just can't see those two alliances leading a cohesive coalition.VFK by 2018 I guess?
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Where exactly have I said anything about outnumbering? - Ninja edit: I was listing the differences between NCdot and CFC's campaign.On a side note since you brought this subject get your facts straight mate regarding numbers of the CFC and the other guys ;)
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True they were on the back foot for a while, pretty sure they were just measuring up the situation though, if they actually dug in at that point I think it would probably have been even.If we (BL) would have carried on pissing about up north maybe it would have been different, and the whole bouncing around by you guys would have lowered morale or whatever I don't know.I guess the only way to attack the CFC is lots of small entities at different places at once, try to break up the alliance cohesion. CFC seem unbeatable at single region grind fests.
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What is preventing anyone else from forming a tight coalition where everyone works together instead of waits to back stab each other?Not like any of our organizational structures or doctrines are secret. Problem is that while it's easy to whine about CFC on the forums it's not easy to actually accomplish what it has done.That's a skill that no amount of isk or supers can buy as we can clearly see from how well the whole NC./PL/TEST/Whatever works.Goons don't do renters for this exact reason. It's not efficient. Being in a coalition of equals that are all working together for the betterment of all is far better options but it does demand a certain view on things and that egos are kept in check.
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nip = non invasion pact they havnt taken sov so not broken nething now if it was a nap... non agression pact that would be diff
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Made sense tbh, was not an ill advised move at all. If that intel actually exists, made perfect sense, plus even if it didn't, N3 and fountain co. probably want another front to open up, at this rate thats probably their best bet to rattle the logistics of the CFC war-machine.
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If it seems like I'm whining i'm not, well not about the CFC as a whole, I have nothing but respect for what the guys achieved having flown in a loose coalition with them against lotka volterra and bob and such back in the day, its crazy to see where they've got now.What im whining about (and again not to emotionally) is people claiming the CFC are winning despite being outnumbered which is untrue.Simply trying to point out facts :)
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How much of N3 is actually deployed though? work out the numbers instead of just linking a blanket pie chart of numbers and I think you'll find me about right.I didn't include XIX but I did include rogue in the CFC numbers. If XIX are deployed (I haven't seen them) then please add them to my initial numbers.I didn't include WHY so darkspawn or any of the alliances currently in drone regions fighting solar since well they aren't in fountain. And I missed renegades council.CFC still clearly outnumber the allies. if you fight on either side (or a neutral party) its clear to see.
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N3ST: We knew that was war was comming 3 weeks ago.N3ST: We got them right where we want them.N3ST: CFC is not winning fast enough, so we need our whole coalition back to retake empty systems and shoot a few TCU's that Solar have put in our fucking embarrasing renting systems.N3ST: We excist to destroy the CFC and we are back in Fountain to retake all those 10 pitty stationless systems the CFC have taken in 1 month time..N3ST: Fielding cruisers and taking a taxi home after a crushing defeat and running around fleeing in all directions to safe said cruiser fleet from an even worse cruiser fleet defeat, except 2 testies who tought fuck this shit i rather blow up my expensive cruiser and NOT fight another day then to feel the Dick of Mittani balls deep in my anus, my arse is still not healed enough to take another balls deep dick from The Mittani.N3ST: We need to head back home base once again to take all the remaining Solar spaceThis time we make sure there is no sov left for them HAHAHAHA take that Solar.We need full fleets to shoot a few TCU's and need all the damn capitals we can muster or Solar can pose a threat and might actualy hurt our elite coaltion.N3ST: Guys PL doesnt care and Test doesnt seem to care anymore about Fountain lets go home and bully Rogue to show our mighty Epeen, this will show the CFC noobs how powerfull we realy are grrr.N3ST: We are back in Fountain and the CFC has taken 20+ systems and counting, we might form up a cruiser fleet to stall them as much as posible.Testies try to fill a fleet for once so we can at least fight longer then 10 minutes ffs.Stay tuned for the next elite coaltion updates in the epic war versus the scrubs of the CFC and the Mighty Elite Coalitions of Eve Online.
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Ask Pangu Coalition, Why So Serious, Caldarius Alliance, Cult of War, or The Kadeshi if they rent. Go on, give it a try.(Truefax: they actually get their SRP and sov expenses paid out from the coalition-level rental program. That's why it exists - to bankroll all of N3.)
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Spin a little harder, m8
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Enjoy overextending your empire and paying sov bills for shit systems you can't use then. Few things kill an empire quite like over-extension and internal stagnation.
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What don't you understand in "threat"?
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I heard about that JF loss. Fuckin ouch.https://killboard.ncdot.co.uk/...
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The leadership of the alliances that make up the CFC all agree that CE is not CFC territory. That is official policy and has been since razor dropped SBU's in HB-. That is why razor lead a little incursion and a handful of cfc guys came for the fights.
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Certainly gives the CFC an excuse to seek out Rogue as a deeper ally now.
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As if Goons wouldn't go after NC. (and any other non-pet entity) as soon as the time was right...
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They wouldn't reach so far now, but once Fountain is settled they'd eventually reach NC. as they absorb region after region.
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I got the gist of that before I left. Apparently he jumped to a camped beacon unscouted. I would say that stupidity runs rampant but that's given too much credit.
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Swtich sides ROUGE, before VInce decides you kill you rather than fly back to Fountain,
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Since when has Vince ever done anything that would come back to bite him in the ass based purely on paranoia and conjecture?
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Lost sense of humor ?Cause iam sure in every sentence i made there is a line of truth ^^These are your leaders words, a little bit out of contex, but your leader words.no less.Or are you one of those guys that just dont log in anymore ?I heared every men kid and woman needs to fight till the death.Give it everything you can give.This war needs hero's !!!Get in the fleet noob, your elite coalition needs you, jump in fleet and show these bad monsters of Eve what your made off.be a hero and make a diffrence. step into a prophecy and show no mercy.( we offer taxi rides home after we are done, for free, promised )
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I like the way you think NC and PL being on the field is something that shouldn't bother anyone. Let's forget combine they are the largest supercap force in the game. Seriously read that again and tell me you weren't chuckling a little as you typed it.
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Was LadyScarlet too busy eating to perform her duties as ~head diplomat~?
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Currently docked up in a XIX station.
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Rogue.. Hold your ground, try to limit bleeding. We will be back in the North soon enough.
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Yep. Of course in this case, it got kicked into a bubble so welp.
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rogue sat back and did nothing to help its allies IRC or anyone else. good to see rogue getting it in the backside after sucking on the cfc tip for some time now.
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Razor didn't actually think IRC would fold so quickly, but when the going is good, you don't stop. The deal was struck when half of their systems were taken in short order. CE was taken "because it was there."
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so we're deleting comments that quote The Mittani's stated reason for the fountain campaign? Was it because I questioned just how "Best Friends Worst Enemies" the CFC was when push comes to shove? cmon mods, I didn't expect this from you.
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I was there for that process. Razor said they were SBU'ing for goodfights, turns out they had a plan to push irc to CUT-9 until they agreed to a no structure shooting agreement. Razor misled allies by not telling them this was the plan the entire time.
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roflwaffles, owned
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of course....you know n3 breaks deals...its what they do
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I'd say that's more illuminating than damning. It says a lot about NCdot's approach to diplomacy.
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NIPs tend to include any infrastructure, like POSs. The difference with a NAP is that ships are still fair game.
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I'm terribly sorry, I don't have access to these aforementioned command forums, but was "Don't join the CFC in any way" part of the NIP?
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Goons would absolutely go after NCdot and in fact already did when the CFC evicted NCdot from Tribute (funnily enough after NCdot broke the OTEC agreement). I'm completely stumped as to what point you're trying to make here.
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Those alliances were closer to the original N3 and did some work to deserve their space There was no hint rogue would be able to have a similar treatment from N3. Plus, those alliances are geographically close from the rest of N3, whereas rogue is more a neighbour of the CFC and would have to defend themselves alone for extended periods of time. Plus that would invalidate their current accord with razor. And we should not forget that's the reason why they own their space in the first place. I don't think the CFC would have seen their buffer between N3 and them changing side as a thing they can accept. Those CSAA would have burned down with another fleet hitting them.Basically, rogue saw that they were pretty far away from being able to join N3 proper, so they went with the other alternative. And they already had the contacts since the CFC gave them the space in the first time.
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If I recall correctly, FAZOR was deployed mostly in AHACS when able to pull a full fleet or Destroyer/Assault Frigates in off hours. I'm having difficulty seeing where supercapitals come into play, particularly given that Fazor didn't even have structures on the potential receiving end of supercap warfare.I totally agree NC \ PL were not to be ignored then -- it's just that their supers had nothing to do with their consistent Loki victories.
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Was it the, "This is about isk; I'm not making a narrative here" quote?
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All credit to them for winning those fights, I'm not taking anything away from them stuffing FAZOR on a consistent basis. I'm just making the point that when people suggest you shouldn't take any notice of PL & NC. if their hanging around nearby it's a silly thing to ask.
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yeah. Is there a bot that shitcans any posts containing that certain overused "don't be angry" term? Because I closed the comment with something like "'I'm not angry' though; it only makes sense"
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test :nomad: please ignore no mad
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lol nice word useage, thousands of members and vast sov holdings. So if we're using word games how about, cfc, with 10s of thousands of members with a vast sov empire amongst the coalition. 10s of thousands vs 12k, sounds about even right Andski?
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Honestly, when I read the article title and forgot that ROGUE was an alliance, I thought that the EVE supercapital equivalent to a meth lab had been destroyed.
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Welcome to sovwar idiot, where giving the enemy a ~fair fight~ is a waste of time
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gtfo, we dont give a shit about the drones regions. Edit: (PEEEEEEEP) before i get deadtear on my ass

When Intrepid Crossing was laid low by RAZOR and the CFC in the winter of this year, it was ROGUE Alliance, a previous IRC pet, who rose up to take their space. Surrounded by RAZOR to the north and the invading N3 Coalition forces to the south, it took some serious political maneuvering by ROGUE to secure its borders with both sides.

Their space had been reasonably quiet until today, when a NCdot strike force dealt  them a hefty blow, destroying a tower with two CSAAs, one of which had a Nyx in build, and purchasing the contents of a third CSAA with gunpoint diplomacy. During this engagement, a third Nyx-class supercarrier from ROGUE was lost after becoming bubbled inside the reinforced POS. ROGUE attempted a starburst manoeuvre as made famous by Rooks and Kings, but unfortunately the Nyx was not correctly positioned within the POS and was thrown into the NCdot fleet and another HIC bubble.

To find out what happened, I contacted both ROGUE and NCdot representatives to get their perspectives. ROGUE says NCdot broke a non-invasion pact unilaterally. NCdot says there's more to the story.

I first spoke with Mordox, co-alliance leader of ROGUE.

TMC: Let's start with the question everyone wants to know: Can you confirm exactly what was lost in those CSAAs?

M: One Nyx destroyed in the CSAA and one Nyx destroyed with a login accident.

TMC: The other CSAAs were empty?

M: One of the CSAAs was not destroyed due to some diplomacy with interested parties. Translation, money changed hands.

TMC: Can you give any more details on this?

M: No, it's a source of irritation.

TMC: I noticed the time of this event and I'm curious why you would time your CSAAs to Russian Prime, knowing NC and PL would be formed at that time to hit SOLAR sovereignty?

M: We received intel that Whyso Serious would possibly attack the tower. We timed the tower to come out in our prime assuming WHYSO would attack at their normal time. We didn't anticipate NCdot would attack at all due to the Non Invasion Pact we had in place. NCdot's surprise assault meant that the tower was poorly stronted. When we went to Vince to tell him about the WHYSO situation, we asked about the agreement. There was no answer and he went offline. In hindsight, we should have gotten the message I guess.

TMC: So you're claiming NCdot broke a NIP? Was there any provocation for this action?

M: None that we are aware of. We are told it's because we sent some guys to Fountain. Our agreement is in the Drone region. You'll have to ask NCdot about their justification for the surprise attack.

TMC: Are ROGUE not allies of RAZOR and the CFC? Did you ask for assistance?

M: Yes, we consider RAZOR our closest friends and through them we have gained close friends with other CFC members. Great dudes. We knew we were far away from our new friends and they are tied up in Fountain.  When you weigh it up, you can't fault our friends' decision.

TMC: Just to clarify, you did ask if they could help and were told logistically it wasn't feasible?

M: Yes, we made them aware of the situation. Discussions where held and they let us know it wasn't feasible.

TMC: Do you feel this is acceptable given the fact that ROGUE members attended the timers of recent RAZOR CSAAs that have been reinforced?

M: You can only ask your friends to do their best. They always made it clear to us how the geography would affect us and that some may attack us to get at them.

We felt we were ok with the NIP with NCdot. Our other neighbours we could handle, it was the surprise attack that hurt us. So yes, they are our friends and we understand. In short, yes it's acceptable. We also have a NIP with PL and they have been very good about it. Again, good dudes.

TMC: The Nyx was quite the expensive triage carrier, what was it doing?

M: We asked the pilot the same thing. There were repping carriers out there, but, well, you don't use a super to rep a PoS now do you. As far as I'm aware it logged in and was bubbled, I did hear on comms that they would attempt the starburst escape, but it was not successful. One of those things that happen in EVE and everyone face palms, just feel for the pilot.

Director of Specter Syndicate in Tactical Narcotics Team and a EuroGoon. I enjoy following the ebb and flow of conflict narratives all across EVE and examining events that cause the rise and fall of alliances.