RED Federation Disband Leads To Wardec Hysterics

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Looks like the wardec system still needs a little ~iteration~
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RvB is a great introduction to new players into PvP. Stealing the name is a dick move that only hurts the game -- good call by the GM's exercising some judgement.
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Dick moves are a part of Eve. You can't start making exceptions for which dick moves to reverse and which ones to not reverse based on whether it's 'hurtful to the game' because that's entirely subjective.Either you have a policy of non-intervention, which has been the policy up until now, or you have GMs arbitrarily reversing player actions whenever they happen to feel it was 'wrong' (which is a fucking terrible idea in case I really need to point that out).Of course, if there was some sort of error, exploit or bug involved, that's something else entirely. Doesn't sound like it though.
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If it was really a server side problem that cause it to disband then restoring it and taking the name back was only right. Goonswarm stole the bob name fair and square when was disbanded by a player. If Red was dropped by a player, the is it retarded it was given back.
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Agreed. A server-side issue would explain reversal of the precedent set by Goonswarm. If not then this should teach the leaders of such high profile alliances a lesson about casually disbanding to avoid paying wardec fees or whatever.
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Exactly a year before the RVB-R disband the CFC alliance Get off my Lawn was disbanded when the autopay checkbox was unchecked during the winter 2011 expansion. At the time twitter went crazy with other alliances finding the autopay checkbox also unchecked and they were able to avoid unintentional disband before their alliance fees were due. Get off my lawn were the unlucky ones that discovered the bug in the expansion first and paid dearly with their sovereignty. The CFC brotherhood kicked in swiftly and a temporary alliance was formed and with CFC fleets patrolling our space sov was quickly restored. However it took another 3-4 weeks before the original alliance (with cool gnome logo) was properly restored by GM's who also restored our sov levels. If the same happened to RVB-R then the restoration of the alliance name (and wars in this case) by the GM's is fully warranted.
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Can't really refer to a single "precedent" from three years ago, which was made in an entirely different set of circumstances.It's also worth noting that the cataclysmic fall of BoB was a boost for attention to EVE, while this event (and Dec Shield in general) just reinforce the idea that EVE is a nasty place where newbs are most certainly not welcome.
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You can if you built the game. "But that's not fair!" blah blah blah. This isn't a true sandbox, quit drinking the juice.
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My question is did the owner of the now improperly named re-creation of the RvB - Red Federation alliance get refunded his payment for the creation of the alliance; since his intent was intervened upon.
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Isn't really a reversal of precedent, it was brought about by different circumstances, which is why RVB got Red Fed back.
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Northern Gnome mentioned the restoration of Get Of My Lawn. If I remember correctly, CVA was disbanded at one point, too, due to hacking. CCP restored the alliance in that case, too. So were exactly is that "surprising display of inconsistency" that "contradicts the precedent"?Most pieces on TM are of considerable quality, but now and then some blatant propaganda shows up and spoils the meal...
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It was probably a corporation, so 1mil isk isn't that big of a deal.
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I don't think you know what propaganda means...However, I did think it was funny that someone called GM's being inconsistent a "surprising display."
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RvB said the Alliance was disbanded in error.
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CFC this is a dick move the your end is near
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Not to split hairs but who selected a titan fleet as the picture for this article about RvB? That would be an appropriate picture for Pandemic Legion indeed, but not as much for a pair of high sec corps like RvB.
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From the Oxford Dictionaries: "Propaganda [...] information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view [...]"Points of view like what Goons understand as "emergent gameplay", where everyone seems just to yell, "GMs, leave us alone!" And it's biased. Well, where is this piece not propaganda?
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Only a CFC entity would make such a dick move as this, most people respect what they do and like to see players have fun but CFC are like "no were gonna steal your name so we can ruin your game because were the CFC fuck yeh"
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Triple Shit member detected
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In fairness to the author, it is only really one sentance which is full of butthurt propaganda, the rest of the article is purely informative and avoids offering biased opinions.
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What you fail to understand is that RVB is an institution that helps bring new players into the game and get them started in EVE. Its not only not in the communities interest to let an institution like this die its not in CCP's interest, also stop erring on the side of the argument that said CCP IS EVIL, no evidence about WHAT it was that took down RVB
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In any event, it is fair and proper that RvB would get preferential treatment. They are one of the few great emergent institutions in the sandbox and they certainly give more than they take. In fact they take very little. There is no resource farming, no rental fees, no large scale lucrative mechanic exploits. Just explosions. The business of keeping RvB going is considerable, as you would expect from an organisation with thousands of members. Processing applications, dealing with conflicts and whining, organising and bankrolling events is enough to keep the admins out of space and away from the reason they joined. The explosions. They really should be payed for their time, but they're not. To complain that they are getting special treatment is like a multinational corporation complaining that a NGO is getting preferential treatment from the government.
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i'm Katrina Bekers and i'm TEST retard
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dick tears, best tears :)
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Hysterics? What hysterics? The only person hysterical about this is the DecShield guy...
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Dick pilots and dick players are 2 totally seperate things.Most people can't fathom the idea that although you can scam and steal and kill in a game, that doesn't translate to that same mentality in real life.Alternatively, if it coincidentally does... then you're(collective) a bad player/gamer to begin with.
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Yea, the actual eve forum thread concerning what Dec Shield did was disputed by RVB-Red as not paying their bill.I don't think the name should have been restored though, without a fine etc. It's a bill. Pay it. Even if that's paying a ransom to Dec Shield for name rights. Dot coms did this quite often; you register beer.com, sell it to whatever entity wants it, at an exorbant price. Look up computer.com's sale for details on THAT little gem.Differential treatment is a slippery slope and should be avoided at all costs in a player ran entity.
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Awwww, well I hope it all gets sorted :)
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I think the GMs are doing a fine job, I'm sure it's in the best interests of everyone involved. Some may argue that it's not, but time will tell I guess. No pain no gain.
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It was a server-side bug for RvB, I don't see how that ties into what happened to BoB at all.
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No you have a policy where you intervene where it is good for the game and playerbase.There is a middleground between the extreemes which is perfectly fine and healthy.You should try RvB sometime and you'll probably get why it's worth keeping around. Maybe you'll not like it personally but it's still a place where tons of people have fun each day = good thing for CCP and EVE.

A few days ago the RvB - RED Federation alliance, a group of 3000 players known for its eternal war with BLUE Republic, was disbanded during downtime. It is not clear exactly why. Some have claimed that it was because the alliance CEO was moving isk around to keep from having to pay the massive fees incurred by their numerous wardecs, while others have said it was due to a server-side bug. Either way, when the alliance was disbanded, the owner of Dec Shield alliance quickly impounded the alliance's name to prevent it being reformed. The alliance leader of RvB, Del DelVechio, vowed to petition the events and attempt to get the alliance restored in full.

Yesterday, GMs responded. The Dec Shield held "RvB - RED Federation" corporation was renamed to "RvB - RED FederationSTOLEN0" and the "RvB - RED Federation" alliance was restored in full to its original state from before the disband. The GMs stopped short of restoring their wars. It is worth noting that this same tactic of name-stealing was used by GoonSwarm when Band of Brothers was disbanded; the fact that the GMs were willing to return RvB - RED Federation's name contradicts the precedent set by the Band of Brothers case, in a surprising display of inconsistency.

Both sides of RvB have been trapped in permanent wars with Dec Shield alliance since mid-October, which have led to dozens of splinter copy wars that both alliances were trapped in. It is currently unknown if GMs intend to restore these wars.

During the initial disbanding of "RvB - RED Federation" the member corps each received copies of the alliance's wars, which have persisted to this day. When the alliance was restored, the member corps were restored as well. This created an ordinarily impossible ingame event where the corporations inside the alliance had outgoing wars, while the alliance itself was at peace.

As a result the wars themselves have become bugged and don't flag enemies as valid targets. Neither the Red or Blue side of RvB are able to shoot each other without being Concorded, despite being at war with one another. Each show as neutral to the other, and their wars do not register on the war tracker. Showing info on the corporations reveal that they are still at war.

This created a 24 hour ceasefire between Red Federation and all their war targets. The GM actions may have freed them from their conflict with Dec Shield. However, RvB's leaders have now awakened and re-declared war on one another. Whether that means their members can resume hostilities has yet to be determined.

Full disclosure: Dec Shield is owned and operated by a director of Gentlemen's Agreement.

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