Pandemic Legion now Renting Space!

Avatar
No we are terrible. Not sure why anyone thinks different.
Avatar
LOL, PL known for their willingness to engage.
Avatar
"We are terrible" meme spotted. Thank you. Next!
Avatar
i remember hearing something about PL wanting to show up Eve Onlines failings as much as possible with in game actions in order to highlight it to as many in the community as possible. Maybe this 'renting' scheme is to show how broken the idea is and how prone to making EULA breaking actions seem attractive to the renters.
Avatar
I think the correct English phrase to avoid that confusion would have been "PL renting out space"
Avatar
Look at the amount of space S2NC owns compared to HBC renters, test has been known to scam is also a reason to the low rental numbers and finally their is distance to low/npc space where enemies can stage.
Avatar
You guys conducted a great operation. It's reminiscent of one feudal lord taking another feudal lord's farms and villages. "You work for me now." Whatever will they do if SOLAR still demands the rent, though? Has PL committed to protecting renters' assets in any capacity, or merely sovereignty (and thus, upgrades)?
Avatar
They're open to the alliance (and our friends) but I'm willing to bet if I ask Shadoo would allow me to do an article on them,
Avatar
pl's old friend / renter Sons Of Tangra were SOT so its natural though unimmaginative to call their new renter alliance Brothers Of Tangra BOT to me that doesnt suggest botting merely that whoever named the alliance has no immagination.Also PL wasnt accepting payments via paypal only through isk. but the fact that people who used to rent from Solar expected to be asked for real money seems to say more about Solars renting and rmt policy than PL's
Avatar
Just go to there rental spreadsheet in there in game channel and add all the systems that are not available to rent because they are taken. 400 bill is probably a understatement its probably nearer the 500 bill mark tbh.
Avatar
You will pay them for the right to get farmed....Ask GK about fountain renters...good times!
Avatar
Well written article, I enjoyed the read.
Avatar
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that article would be fascinating.
Avatar
You mean hisec?
Avatar
The title of this article is misleading, it should be 'Pandemic Legion now renting OUT space'...
Avatar
how is that a meme?
Avatar
I propose GSF to invade and purge Fountain and Delve then rent it back to all who still want to live there. Its a new hip trend now, we must diversify our income!
Avatar
I too was expecting that. It would be the epitome of irony.
Avatar
What's a meme? It sounds terrible I hope I don't get it.
Avatar
If "industrialists" can't be bothered to train combat skills - you know the similar set of skills used to grind through the hubs - then they don't deserve space.It's one thing to rent space it's another to keep it by defending what you're paying to call your own.
Avatar
So what's the going rate on TMC for this much ad space?
Avatar
Montolio, please come back, you had the balls
Avatar
Its cute when people think *all* the moon incomes go straight to the alliance coffers.
Avatar
You should, it would actually be a pretty cool eve article.
Avatar
I personally hate Red Cross shooting and stopped liking any industrial activity some long time ago, but why do you think everybody must be like you or me ? People are different and have different interests in game as well as RL. Don't just bluntly judge if you can't comprehend.
Avatar
Uh, you didn't include the best part of their plans, that they are naming all the stations after spoilers for various TV shows, books and movies!
Avatar
The bastards ruined the latest book of A Song of Ice and Fire for me.
Avatar
That would be pretty awesome. There are always so many rumors flying around about *exactly* how much money PL has. I'd like to see how much you guys spend as well.
Avatar
Did monty rent some space ??
Avatar
thats a cool conspiracy bro, you have a future in journalism, the other eve news site would love this shit
Avatar
So true.
Avatar
I didn't realise I'd accused them of taking rent by PayPal. I was under the impression I only stated it was offered (as Pl themselves have said). But I'm sure you know better.
Avatar
Would not paying rent via PayPal equal RMT?
Avatar
Yes. That's the whole point. AAA and Cascade Imminent in times past were infamous for charging out of game rent for access. In one conversation, leaked at the time by AAA leadership now in Pandemic Legion, AAA's leaders were seen insisting that out of game rent was preferred. That expertise is now in Pandemic Legion. Of course PROVING it is a lot harder than proving ingame RMT, which is why it has been a staple part of rental alliances for eight years plus.
Avatar
"I’m shocked, shocked to find that out of game rentals are going on in EVE" "Your WMZ transfer, sir."I'm shocked that you are shocked. Manny couldn't have been there at the time, as he was well aware of Cascade Immenent's rental alliance's out of game rates. Seleene and BDCI couldn't have been there at the time, as they were in AAA when it was outed for out of game rentals. Makalu couldn't have been in the room as he .. oh .. wait!What did you THINK rental agreements were for? ISK? Normally the corrupt leadership or rental organizers pocket the WMR/WME/WMZ and keep the details from their membership and from the allies who form up to defend their second paychecks. Its going to be interesting to see if your alliance can avoid being tainted by that cesspit, and if your neighbouring blues publicly declare their e-honor too.
Avatar
PL sees the irony.Also there is very little you can do to really distinguish between botting renters and not botters as a landlord. In the end you can't really care.
Avatar
In what way is hi-sec NOT better than drone space?
Avatar
Many people do things they may not enjoy doing but realise it must be done in order for others to play how they want to play.The Eve skill system allows any character to train for all sorts of activities, but it is of course the mindset of the player whether they value the alternative play styles of other people.If I was in a renting alliance it would be naive of me to assume my landlords would defend the alliance from a hostile take over - they've already got the rent isk, it's up to us collectively to defend it if we wish to keep it.P.S If everyone was like me, no one would hold space or do the leg work required to hold on to it, for I am the laziest person you're likely to meet and if it's not PvP itself that I dislike it'll be the shopping and fitting and the waiting for pvp to happen when I could be doing something more productive and interesting. But so far no one has noticed or they're happy with the 30% of the bounties I bring in.
Avatar
Pissed me off, that I have to isking my arse off, playing a game, when others just bot the fuck out of it.CCP sort your game out.
Avatar
what the hell? did you just start playing, PL was WELL known for renting fountain to the dirt, back in the early days of dread blobbing and snipe hacs(cerberus) do your research.
Avatar
BCA always betrays, since '07 every time
Avatar
maybe http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog... helps to satisfy your curiosity (until Grath has time to post a real article with up-to-date numbers)
Avatar
Pandemic legion lead HBCGoonswarm lead CFCNCdotte lead N3Black Legion and Solar fleet 2 days ago had join CFCThis shitgame is dead
Avatar
"They told the DRC that any timer they fought over they would be allowed to keep, even if the DRC lost the fight. Unfortunately, not all forces fight with the stamina and skill of the Legion" Christ...you and Shampoo should just get a room so you can swap spit in private. "the Legion" is a bunch of space pussies who drop supers on every Ibis fleet they can find. Combat Prowess....lol...They are know for their bat phone antics who whore on everyone's killmails instead of finding there own. What a waste of space. You must be bucking to join Shampoo's "Space Pussies"
Avatar
Those spoilers saved me so much time reading and watching tv. I appreciated them.
Avatar
N3's coalition-wide rental program currently nets around 350b/month with a bit less than two-thirds utilization of all their available rental space. This number will rise as more of the drone regions is swapped to pasturage and as more of the available rental space is auctioned off.
Avatar
The biggest issue has been Goon camping systems and killing ratters. Renter income was climbing steadily until the reset, it has since stagnated and even dropped a little.
Avatar
From the raw interview source it's pretty obvious that it was the previous landlords taking payment in paypal.[3/12/1311:34:34 AM] Farasoloni: maybe its worth a humorous side remark, that many russian renters - people that were or are still renting from the large solar block have more than once aquired if they could also use paypal as payment method[...snip...][3/12/1311:35:28 AM] Farasoloni: yeah, I think some guys were almost disappointed when we told them that we're running an honest business and are only intersted in ingame currency ;)
Avatar
Conflict is happening amongst all those entities and everywhere else in eve, if you're finding the game boring get out of the fucking cfc.
Avatar
These ~gudfights~ were never looked for in Malpais.Dropping 20-30 motherships on a bomber fleet is not a "good fight", it is killing a fly with a shotgun.The only fight that turned out decent to my knowledge was when LXQ fell. Which may i add, SOLAR turned up with a fleet that matched PL and the rest of the DRC... AND THEN TURNED AND LEFT.SOLAR may be pissed about losing a coalition, but by their actions in defending their own space and no one elses they shot themselves in the foot.

Pandemic Legion is known across New Eden for their combat prowess and willingness to engage. They are not, however, known for renting space. How is it that a group known for playing king maker in sov wars and farming lowsec plebeians now offers space for rent?

Having spent a year in renter alliances, I was very curious to learn more about the Legion’s new offers. Many nomadic groups are often gifted space or otherwise inherit it, then play king of the castle for a while, get bored, and end up renting it out. The landlord often picks up shop and scampers off to some distant battlefield in search of ~gudfights~, leaving the renters home alone. Pandemic Legion is an odd alliance though; they’re famous for being able to traverse the galaxy in ten minutes time. The managerial and logistical ability required for such a task stands as a testament to the Legion’s ability to manage a vast empire. But why would they start renting space out of the blue?

A Short History

Pandemic Legion hasn’t owned space since 2009. Back then they were allied with the Sons of Tangra alliance and lived in Fountain. Despite having a home to tend, they were famous for being able to drop dreadnoughts in any part of the galaxy. It was common among lesser empires to hear whispers of the Legion’s arrival in the area and immediately have alliance mail flash with high command grounding all capitals.

The last time we held space it didn’t go so well… - Elise Randolph

The Legion’s empire crumbled at the hands of IT Alliance in what was arguably one of the most impressive battles EVE has ever seen. Three Pandemic Legion Titans were felled in the crowning battle of Y-2ANO, alongside dozens of capitals.

Many thought the loss of their space and the slaughter of their capital fleet would cause the Legion to crumble and die. They were wrong; Pandemic Legion reimagined itself and rose from the ashes of Fountain a hardened killing machine.

In the years since their cataclysmic defeat in Fountain, PL has cultivated a reputation as the boogie man of lowsec and has broken the backs of to many null alliances to list.

More Recently

Having stewarded the fledgling Honey Badger Coalition through their foundation war with the –A-led SoCo, the Legion grew bored with their herd of adorable rifter pilots. As any single parent will tell you, sometimes you just need a break, so the Legion moved east to partake in some Euro-on-Russian action. Though they were never formally aligned with N3, how could Shadoo turn down the chance at a threesome with the likes of Mactep and Vince Draken?

The Legion staged out of Uemon in The Forge, placing them within striking range of Black Core Alliance and Ethereal Dawn to the east, Gentlemen’s Agreement to the north/east, and the Solar/N3 fights to the south. This provided the Legion with easy access to multiple sov war fronts: the CFC’s push south in Geminate comprising of Gentlemen’s Agreement and Legion of xXDeathXx, CFC’s FAZOR group in Great Wildlands that moved in to assist Solar with N3, and the DRC/N3 fights in Cache. The Legion also initiated fights with the DRC in Etherium Reach.

They arrived in the hopes of farming the nubile Drone Region Coalition for ~gud fights~, and found quite a few. They told the DRC that any timer they fought over they would be allowed to keep, even if the DRC lost the fight. Unfortunately, not all forces fight with the stamina and skill of the Legion, so after a few aggressive encounters the DRC refused to fight, electing instead for a campaign of boredom. This left the Legion with quite the pair of blueballs, and from blueballs comes bright ideas. 

Bright Ideas

The Legion has been funded almost entirely by moon goo since it learned to harness reactions and moons in Fountain so many years ago. Their empire is spread across nearly the entirety of EVE, managed through a massive series of alts and centralized through an aggressive tax scheme. Though this strategy has worked for nearly half a decade, CCP is whispering about changing the moon mining system. These whispers have fueled internal debate among almost all alliances in EVE and sent many looking for alternative income streams.

For months the idea of renting floated around the Legion's internal forums. They have the fleet power to take and hold space without question, so all they needed to do was develop the renting structure. Farasoloni and Dancul took this upon themselves and developed a strong system that would allow the Legion to rent space to dozens of groups. Their ideas were further polished by the recently joined Theng Hofses and Makalu Zarya, who had been instrumental in –A-‘s renter program before the HBC killed it.

With the fights dried up and the DRC easily manageable, the decision was made to evict them from their space and setup a renter’s paradise. Lines were drawn in the sand, and the Legion’s war machine launched forward, intent on building a new kingdom.

A New Kingdom is Born

The Legion shifted their staging system deeper into the Drone Regions, staging out of B3ZU-H in The Kalevala Expanse. This gave them more operational freedom to engage across the drone regions. To quote a famous man;

We're surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them. – Chesty Puller

In two and a half weeks the Drone Regions Coalition dissolved. Ethereal Dawn, Black Core Alliance, Persona Non Gratis, Flame Bridge and Against All Anomolies elected to hand over their remaining space peacefully in exchange for a few days of blue to extract their assets.

Solar Fleet remains, alone, holding large swaths of Perrigen Falls, The Spire and Outer Passage. Relations between the Legion and Solar Fleet are less then cozy, but that is to be expected after the Legion destroyed their coalition.

For The Peasants of Malpais

The Legion’s renter plans are quite comprehensive. They provide a chain of stations to travel through from highsec to Malpaism, which eases the burden of their renters' logistics. The Legion also leverages its impressive logistical capability to manage the Ihubs and Upgrades, freeing their renters from costly freighter escorts.

Malpais offers excellent truesec for the ratters and its wealth of refining stations make it quite attractive to miners as well. The distance from all hostile entities also makes it a much safer place for bears to kill those dangerous red crosses.

The renter agreement does not offer any concrete prices, and when pressured for information the Legion was unwilling to share any details. They did mention, however, that on more then one occasion renters were curious if they could pay their rent via PayPal.

When asked whether the Legion would offer any form of PvP mentorship, they admitted that they felt there would be no demand for such a thing and thus had not discussed it. It is worth noting though that Farasoloni was not opposed to it. Perhaps those who rent from the Legion might find themselves shooting more then little red crosses some day. Who knows?

Sources

Elise Randolph (PL FC and CSM7 Member) – Full Interview

Farasoloni (Rent Program Co-Leader) – Full Interview

Shadoo ('Head' of PL) – Full Transcript

Hedliner (Campaign Head for Uemon - Malpais Campaign) - Full Transcript

[name_1]
I'm an accomplished FC and have been playing for six years, I run FELON, the founding corp of Sadistica Alliance, and head the alliance. I also manage a ~50b isk market to support the alliance and am currently working as a technical writing intern.