New Eden Open Kicks Off This Weekend

From a Starcraft and League of Legends background, "Esports" is a very strange word to use in conjunction with EVE. I think it implies a specific type of game balance, one that promotes player skill over anything else. EVE is anything but in its default state. While CCP could set something up so the entrants have access to equal-SP characters to remove imbalances, they obviously haven't. Same with ship and module access.It is possible to make EVE into a competitive esport, but it would require work from CCP that they apparently don't want to do. First, you'd have to change tournament rules to give all players access to equal skillpoint characters. Either maximum skills or the same number of un-allotted points, but equal. Then you'd have to do the same with ships and modules: all players need equal access to them. After that, people need space to practice in a relatively consequence free environment. You aren't going to get good players without practice.A third important part of esports is allowing regular players to "live the dream". I'm not going to get into it, but part of why LoL is so successful is because Average Joe can watch MLG one evening, see something cool, then pop into League and try it out himself. Obviously, this isn't the case in Esports is possible in EVE, but CCP doesn't understand what it is or how to promote it.
1) Doesn't LoL have some sort of progression/talent tree?2) How about SISI ?
On the positive side of things, the awkward number of entrants and the lop-sided first round does have one benefit - it will mean that we're likely to see a greater variety of ship setups. In order to minimise any advantage for teams with a bye, first-rounders are more likely to switch things around.
I believe making Eve Online in a e sport or trying in that matter is flawed in so many ways because Eve Online is not about balance. This is not what Eve Online is about. Most of the games that are in the e sport were build for e sport but Eve Online is different. And that difference will make Eve Online a joke because lets be fair, ships are not balance at all with one another.
Sort of. There are two halves of customization in League of Legends. There are traditional talent trees like World of Warcraft, where you have so many points to put into skills, then there are Runes. Runes are purchased for points you earn for playing games, and add minor, passive, character bonuses. You can only have so many runes slotted at once, similar to fitting in EVE. Runes are kept forever, so even if you don't have it slotted, you can trade it out later (so, like turrets, not rigs).There is a bit of power disparity when someone has runes and you do not, but if you are playing at the level where you don't have a full rune-page, any such difference is vastly overshadowed by player skill. After about 30-50 hours of gameplay, you will be as powerful as anyone else is or can be. Additionally, the matchmaking basically ensures that before that time you will be playing at a sub-par level against other players who are at the same sub-par level.As for Singularity, you'd have to ask CCP. Like I said, the possibility is there, they just have to do it. Additionally, implenting some type of arena gameplay would likley drive a huge portion of the EVE playerbase out of Tranquility space, which is probably not healthy for the game.
Have you played either LoL or EVE for more than 30 minutes?"equal skillpoint characters" -> nonsense, what do you need a 100million SP Pilot for when all you are going to do is flying an attack frig? Unlike in LoL in EVE "smaller" charakters are able to participate, why isnt that suited for esports? Your approach is like saying football (aka soccer^^) isnt a sport anymore because not every player has the same prerequisites!"Same with ship and module access" -> again, what do I need capital repair mods for when I am not going to fly a capital? To make another soccer analogy: when setting up a team you dont look for people who are able to do EVERYTHING, you get a goalkeeper, people to defend and people who attack. Still a legit sport."live the dream" -> now that is just bs. You cant just "pop into league" and try stuff you saw while watching the pros...EVEN if you know what happened and why you still need the champion, the runes and the skill (as in player skill) it was done with.What you arent taking into account is that the whole esports thing (just as "regular" sports) starts BEFORE the actual game, you set up a team with people who are good at what they are supposed to do, you plan your strategy and team according to;dr: none of your points is a valid argument, the only thing we agree on is CCP not understanding what esports is and how to promote it.
You must have misunderstood because everything you said is wrong.On skillpoints: In default EVE gameplay, some characters just straight up do more damage/move faster/are more cap efficient than others in identical ships with identical fits because they have the skills trained. That is NOT balanced. LoL does have the Runes, but that is irrelevant after about 50 hours of gameplay. Additionally, in every major League of Legends tournament, all competitors have access to every rune, regardless if they own it on their regular accounts.Ship access: Nothing you said made sense. For the soccer analogy: imagine if one team had access to jetpacks because they are rich, but the other team couldn't afford it. That isn't fair, but that is how EVE is.Dream: You can indeed pop into League and play any champion. It costs, at most, 10 dollars to get any champ, then a few hours of practice. You cannot do that in EVE. No matter what, I cannot fly a Battleship for a month, with another 2 months to fit it halfway decent.You are correct about strategy and training. However, EVE also does not have the mechanics to allow players to do that. There would have to be new features implemented to fix that if CCP is serious about esports.
Betting on and, seems BIG and Monocle Madness are staying out of this one.
The point your making about skillpoints here doens't really disqualify Eve as an e-sport in any way. Sure it may be an entry barrier for some people to get on an equal playing field, but you can sub an eve account and start training skills to play in the tournament and you don't even actually have to play, just log on to set skills. Sure runes in LoL are provided for free if your in a tournament. To get into the main tournament to LoL you need to play during hte season in ranked play though, and runes aren't free there. So 50 hours gameplay Vs. Eve maybe 1 hour setting skills.That' not too mention that you can buy characters legitimately off the character bazaar in eve to overcome the SP issue, I'm pretty sure you can't buy characters in LoL.
It really doesn't take that long to train up for specific ships. Plus, by this point in the game, there are tons of players who are skill capped on many ships. For instance, I had been playing for about a year when the drake was introduced. I capped out on training for the drake shortly after it was released and have gaining almost nothing (other than some fitting skills) in the six years since then. Since the training skill change, a character can fly a drake with exactly the same skills as I have in a matter of months.As to having access to everything in LoL... if you've never used something, you are not used to it, and will suck pretty bad. LoL doesn't have players who just started winning competitions, the same goes for Eve. When it comes to the tournaments, SP isn't a deciding factor, by the way, the matches are decided by skill.For instance: I have more SP than Garmon, but in a 1v1 (short a miracle) he would win.
EVE can't be an E-Sport because ships aren't balanced. Which is obviously a bigger issue than shit champs existing in LoL or the fact that Protoss sucks ass in SC2 tournaments.That being said I've never watched the AT. I think it's just too rare of an event, making it hard for people to casually watch and thus form an educated opinion about ships and strategies. If the had a monthly tournament with limited prizes, there'd definitely still be plenty of participants and that could actually build an audience for the format.As it stands it's never at a good time in the year for me to watch it for the first time(even though the results are exciting to follow for some weird reason).
*saving a slighty insolting introduction*On skillpoints: You are right, some characters do more damage with, lets say, a frig than others...that is why you not randomly assign ships to dudes, you assign them to a ship that is most suited for them. Just as in every (e)sport. You dont get some guy, you get a guy that gets the job done (for example interceptor pilots for interceptor or adc/supp for botlane) . Put your goalkeeper in your offensive and he is going to suck. That has NOTHING to do with balance, unless you are suggesting in sports only people with equal skillsets are allowed to compete with each other.And again...using the word balance in context to lol is just plain absurd since most of the champions itself are horribly imbalanced.Ship access: lol wtf? I have no idea what you are saying. But if you replace the word "jetpacks" with the word/name "Ribery" or "Gomez" your argument will dissolve into thin air pretty quick.Dream: alright, I´ll admit that this whole thing is easier for LoL than for eve, but still its far away from "popping in and trying"I think the general problem we both have is that we have different want it to be balanced, in every way possible. Which is first of all impossible and second of all (and most important) BORING!I dont want to see two even teams competing, the whole point in competitions is gaining an advantage and then use that to win, there are rules which prevent people from using...well I dont know...jetpacks, but no rules that prohibid getting better players than the opposing team;dr: our opinions about sports in general differ a lot

Not With A Bang, But With A Buck

The New Eden Open Tournament begins this weekend! If you are thinking to yourself "wow, that snuck up on me," you aren’t alone. Announced some time ago by CCP, in association with, the tournament sought to pit 32 privately constructed teams (as opposed to the Alliance-based teams of the long running Alliance Tournament) against each other in a single-stage, double-elimination gauntlet. The grand prize? A whopping $10,000 USD. However, response was somewhat lackluster from the EVE community upon the New Eden Open’s unveiling. Some questioned the prize pool, which was significantly less than the Alliance Tournament awards (though, to be fair, this is real money we’re talking about rather than the in-game assets awarded in the Alliance Tournament). Some cried foul at the scheduling of the tournament, with the crucial second of three weekends taking place over the U.S. Thanksgiving Holiday.

The price of entry was to be determined by an auction system, with 20 PLEX being the minimum bid. Naturally, some people vehemently disagreed with this price point. All of this bucking and whining seemed to make an impression on CCP, as did the overall apathy with which the EVE community was treating the whole thing. On October 19th, less than a month from kickoff, CCP Bro announced several changes to the tourney.

Now 50% Off! And That’s Not All!

In classic late night infomercial ad-man fashion, CCP announced that the minimum bid would be slashed by 50% - from 20 PLEX to 10 PLEX. They followed up this price reduction with a ‘that’s not all’ to boot, adding 275 PLEX to the prize pool as well as (at the time) unspecified prizes from Razer and Logitech. But the last minute additions to the tournament were not restricted to the entrants, for CCP will also be holding a lottery of sorts. On the December 2d broadcast, CCP will be announcing a key-word which viewers will then be able to enter in a forum thread to be entered into a drawing.

While we won’t know if that last bit will do anything to draw more viewers to CCP’s entry into eSports, what we do know is that the modifications to the PLEX minimum bid and prize pool had a somewhat lackluster effect. Of the 32 possible slots in the tournament, only 27 were filled. Of course, we may never know exactly how many of those 27 teams tossed their hats into the arena due to the entry and prize adjustments CCP made, but the fact that the tournament still came up 5 entrants short speaks volumes about the skepticism towards CCP’s endeavor.

About Those PLEX…

Prior to the auction, there was no real way to tell exactly how many teams would be entering the fray. In contrast to the Alliance Tournaments where all entrants belong to a single organization, the New Eden Open teams could be made up of ten random Jita spammers for all anyone knows. As a result, some teams entered with PLEX to spare, apparently dedicated to the tournament and determined not to miss out on a spot in it.

Tournament entrants Asine Hitma, Blue Ballers and Team Ineluctable all bid 40 or more PLEX in order to gain entry, with an additional nine teams bidding at least 20. When the end of the auction came, however, it was clear that five spots would remain empty, rendering the ‘auction’ a bit redundant. After the auction CCP elected to refund any PLEX bid in excess of the 10 required for entry. The end result is that there are more PLEX in the prize pool than PLEX in the entry process — something clearly not in CCP’s immediate best interest.

The other problem presented by the tournament team shortfall was that the shortage of teams could potentially play heck with the bracket schedules. The solution offered was for five teams to be chosen at random to receive a first round bye, giving them a significant edge in the tournament. For the curious, these teams are: Team Ineluctable; CAS; My Little Nulli; XXXMity; and Guiding Hand Social Club.

Who Are These Guys Anyways?

Why such an incredible edge? Because, unlike Alliance Tournaments, figuring out the favored makeup of an opposing team is very difficult. In Alliance Tournaments, it is increasingly common for spying and other metagame maneuvers to be employed in an effort to get an edge. With teams of randoms, this can be somewhat more problematic. By receiving that first round bye the five teams listed above will have exposure to their opponents.

However, it does appear that most teams have formed more or less along alliance lines. Notable among them:

  • Expendables — HYDRA RELOADED and DarkSide.
  • My Little Nulli — Nulli Secunda
  • Oxygen Isonopes — Goonswarm Federation
  • Perihelion Berylium Duralumin — Perihelion Alliance
  • Why Dash — Pandemic Legion
  • Africa’s Finest — Verge of Collapse (ATX Winners)
  • Raiden. 58th Squadron — Raiden.
  • The HUNS — HUN Reloaded (ATX Runners Up)

It goes without saying that due to a unique twist in the New Eden Open Tournament, past experience and even success in Alliance Tournaments is no guarantee of victory. Before each match, the Team Captains involved in the match have the opportunity to ban two ship types from the engagement. Similar in concept to peremptory challenges in court, the captains will take turns disqualifying any ship type of their choice. Once disqualified, that ship type may not be used by either team in the match.

The ability to adapt to these disqualifications would appear to be paramount to any team that truly hopes to win. The tournament officially opens on November 17th at 18:00 EVE Time.

Would You Like To Know More?

To find out more about the tournament, feel free to check out CCP’s New Eden Open site (for rules, complete schedule, etc.). For those interested in the human element, the lovely Arydanika of Voices from the Void podcast has conducted a series of interviews with the teams, which can all be found at (a gambling venture focused on the Tournament itself). We at will also be providing coverage of the results after each weekend — so stay tuned!

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