NCdot Alliance Update

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Spartans, WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?!? INTERNET SPACESHIPS!ALSO GRAVEYARD SHIFT CLERK AT THE CIRCLE K.
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That second to last proper paragraph is really something. I think every sentence has at least one obvious lie in it.
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NCdot is full of badposters, I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. I think it's because so many of them are high all the time. Or something. Regardless of the reason, you can't really be surprised when they get special attention from the mods.I still love you Vince, keep the fights coming.
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I appreciate the fact that non-CFC entities are writing stuff for this site. I don't think this article is as well-written as those by Endie or some of the others, but it's still 10x better than the junk posted on EN24. It's almost like everyone who writes for TheMittani.com thinks "Hey, I can still provide propaganda, but I should at least write it in proper English first."I agree with some of the other comments, though, that it's odd that NCdot isn't trying to flip The Mittani's argument. The Mittani postulated "Elo Knight is winning your victories for you.", to which NCdot has now replied "No he's not." I think they would have done better to simply say "Yeah, he's kicking you across the floor."
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Where is NCdot denying that Elo is a good asset and a good fc? The fact however is that Elo isn't even running 1/4 of all the fleets going out, despite what Mittani is telling you. I would rather have all the other FC's than Elo if I had to choose between either one. We love Elo. He's a champ, but he's still just one FC among many.
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You should name them and be taken serious instead of just throwing out accusations without backing them up. That's how educated people would do it.
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Looking at your post I guess you must be in NCdot then? This must be one of the worst accusations I've ever heard. NCdot is full of badposters because everyone knows most of them are high all the time. Or something.Your post just won an award. Or something.
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First of all this was posted on the NCdot internal forums. Second of all Elo isn't winning this war for NCdot. He's contributing a lot, but he's not even running 25% of all the fleets going out. Why would we give him all the credit for all the victories? Wouldn't that be unfair to all the other great FC's in NCdot? Elo is probably the best FC of the dotbros coalition but if we had to choose between Elo and the rest, the rest would be picked.This whole Elo thing is a concept started by Mittani and it seems CFC members are more concerned about it than even Elo is. I know because I talk to him every day in fleet.
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delusional and grandeur
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Most of us don't give a fuck who the NCdot FC is, as long as you bring a fight.
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You should bother to undock sometime when we are there to brawl..like every night.
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Put some sugar on that sour pie you are serving....
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I agree, though you mean the "Ministry of Truth" which is actually part of TEST.
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keep drinking the kool-aid. Any site tied to a player will have an agenda. As much as they try to distance the name from the character people who play know that you cannot be totally subjective when you're the largest asset holder in eve.
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The Spartans stood and fought, they didn't run and hide and to fight a guerilla war.
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I don't fully agree, but this is a reasonable counter-argument.
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I can guarantee neither I nor my Alliance are the largest asset-holders in EVE, or anywhere close to it.
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They did lose to Athens, however.
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"time to power up the AU TZ that we have worked so hard to build over the last two years."I have no idea who that "we" is supposed to be (is that a Royal We for Vince himself ?), but from having known lots of these crazy aussies both in good and bad times, I can tell NCdot has nothing to do in how awesome they are - they already were two years ago when not part of NCdot. About the only credit Vince can claim is getting them in his alliance."rest of the time we allow them to grind the ever so awesome sov system"Come on, be serious a minute here, both sides have enough supercarriers ready on hand to make structure grinding a quick, efficient and painless procedure (except maybe for the logistic dudes fuelling these beasts). If anything, I would rather call the endless murdering of Drakefleet upon Drakefleet by the DotBros AHACs a grind !"The hostiles are obviously hurting"It has been noted time and again that 'obviously' is a word mostly used to prop up an argument that is not completely convincing by itself. What else can i say ?
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It is true, without our 15-20 alliances that comprise the CFC, the CFC would not be doing well. A tautology is a tautology.
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How many times must you post the same point-counterpoint bullshit in one article?
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K well read our first SOTA from the start of the war for your first point about doing exactly what we wanted and he isn't insulting Elo he is insulting Mittani for such a horrible attempt at propaganda. Anyone with half a brain could see he's not trying to praise Elo he is just trying to cause divisions within our coalition because he is frustrated. We love Elo but he hasn't done everything as we have numerous other FC's.
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Is "FOE" supposed to stand for something, or is Vince just capitalizing the word "foe" for some reason?
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I was thinking of the Second Athenian League, but on double-checking you are correct: while the Second Athenian League fought Sparta, it was indeed Thebes who defeated her.
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Praising FCON? You're doing it wrong.
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LOL umad
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Never thought I'd pitty cfc, but the day has come we're I see much cfc damage control. And a lot of hurt souls. Mittani posted the thread on this forum only to show that he will post hostile news, but also to get retards within cfc to blurt we are not winning fast enough! Lmfao playing right into his hands. For example today Dotbros have kill about 100+ billion worth of cfc carriers & alpha fleet/drake fleet as well as killing a 2x razor CSAA's with big toys in them, so potentially lost 150-250bill just today, well done cfc :) . Can't help but think I'd prefer to be having fun with dotbros than structure grinding and losing hoardes of ships with cfc.
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NCdot are as good historians as they are good at picking original names. Spartans did not fall back to anything, they stood at Thermopylae and died there after holding up the Persian army and saving time for other Greek city states. So please do the same; fight and die so you can save time for... well heh, yes Rolling Thunder to come and bail you out, whahaha.
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Stop being a scrub, spartan is being stated as a general term due to Dotbros being so hugely outnumbered, but still hammering cfc fleets. I.e. cfc Persains smashing them selves against a brick wall. Dotbros are proving to be CFCs nemesis, inspirational outnumbered fights, lots of fun everything you could want from a game.
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They're not implying anything of the sort.
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Are you sure? He says that Mittens made a comparison in the first sentence. He goes on to use a similar comparison where he says that Goon's military is non existant. Sounds to me like he isn't very hot on Elo Knight. "He goes on to try and discredit our own FCs and pass all the credit to an allied FC! I suppose i could make a similar claim here today: Without the 15 to 20 alliances propping up Goonswarm's military they would in fact be non-existent."
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"rest of the time we allow them to grind the ever so awesome sov system" Thanks for 'allowing' your space to be taken. Amazing how people talk out of one side of their face about winning the ship isk war, and playing down the loss of the very means to replace said ships, in abundance.
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inspirationalHAHAHAHA k
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"when we decisively made the decision to say FUCK OTEC"I distinctly remember NC. saying in an earlier alliance update that GSF broke OTEC first.....
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Unlike you I actually fly with these people, and I know Vince Draken and the rest of NCDOT leadership holds and conveys alot of respect for Elo knight and all that he's done for the war effort.The reason the author ~implies~ that passing all the praise onto Elo is retarded is because Elo only FC's roughly 1/7th of the fleets and this war is NC.'s war, passing on all the praise to Elo would be like Vince passing on all the praise to SOLAR.

(Editor's Note: As usual with alliance updates, they are intended for an internal audience and are not objective, but if you needed this disclaimer and/or were offended by it, there's something wrong with you.)

PROPAGANDA

We find our selves in a very strange position, one where the FOEs dictator, The Mittani, recently within the last day or so released his always very interesting but geek like read ~War Update~

He goes on to try and discredit our own FCs and pass all the credit to an allied FC! I suppose i could make a similar claim here today: Without the 15 to 20 alliances propping up Goonswarm's military they would in fact be non-existent. Their competence as an alliance is far less than say Razor or maybe even FCON, which as you may have noticed are the ones that actually bring what we call "numbers" to the fleets of the CFC, not Goonswarm.

Anyway enough of that bullshit, it's not how we do things here!

WHAT HAVE WE LOST?

At the beginning of this war they started with our Venal holdings and then swapped over to our tech within range of QPO, most of which you already know, and then pushed their way through the 'renter pocket' claiming some sov and tech along the way. They then took the first milestone of their campaign in my opinion, UMI.

After taking UMI, they continued their push south west of UMI and continued to take more tech and sov within range of UMI up to as far as H-W.

This map will show you what the CFC coalition has taken over that past 8-9 weeks; this doesn't obviously include tech moons just sov.

ACTIONS TAKEN

After our FOE took the UMI system it was clear from a strategic point of view that H-W, the "core" system of Tribute, was no longer worth using as a staging point for reasons such as:

1) Direct titan bridge range from UMI
2) People who drive spaceships pissed or stoned (Vamps) may do dumb shit
3) CFC's ability to bridge into system before we have undocked so they could achieve their strategic objectives unchallenged

So we looked at a few choices:-
1) Low sec
2) NPC Pureblind or NPC Venal
3) Drop back to Vale
4) Fuck this shit and go farm someone else while they grind!

We obviously as SPARTANS chose (3), so we moved to JZV in Vale and then a week or so later to G5ED. Reasons were simple - everyone always just runs away from this group of dudes it makes their heads big they get all fuzzy and warm inside haha. Well it was here we decided fuck this shit, time to power up the AU TZ that we have worked so hard to build over the last two years. 

This was the turning point I don't think anyone expected, both us and the FOE. We have been able to pretty much pause MOST of the sov grinding once we land at a mid-week timer. There has been some blood I think in last week or so, as two stations fell - out of a possible 30 ~Strategic Timers~ (as CFC would call them).

The fights are on-going - we fight when it suits us and only then - rest of the time we allow them to grind the ever so awesome sov system and continue to also defend on another front started by Solar in Geminate.

Some might say we are losing, some might say we are winning, I say we have the perfect situation for the game we play. The hostiles are obviously hurting - from grumbles to their friends on the South of the map, to internally bitching about fleets forming late or not at all, or even FCs making excuses in CFCs ever so "GREAT" AU TZ of how the timers were posted wrong - yet it's all just a front. As we mentioned at the start of this war, our FOE does not only fight their wars ingame but also on public forums, which they of course moderate - TheMittani.com is another shining example of blatant moderation, posts are made which maybe sometimes not liked and they are promptly erased from public view and/or posters are banned! Typical one might say of a EVE nerd trying to make the big time. o7

So again my brothers we will stick at this "Meatgrinder" - the damage control term that our FOE uses in a war when they are not performing as great as the EVE community expected them too. We will not be broken. As we knew from the start when we decisively made the decision to say FUCK OTEC - our space and moons might be taken, however, we are relentless.

The overall conclusion of the Tribute War!

Have a great weekend. o7

 

Goonswarm Federation CEO, Space Tyrant. Likes yoga, Alaskan Malamutes, bacon, and delegation.