Mutiny: 50B ISK Heist Uncovers Bugs in EVE

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:CCP:
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nice story and good explanation of the bug.never understood why some leaders think they own members or members assets & time in this game, or any other game.and i'm glad he paid for that stupidity.
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Damn. It sucks to see a smart maneuver by a player ruined by a bug.Very nice job of explaining the bug as well.
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Isn't this bug-using?
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The heist itself utilized no bugs, only legitimate processes of the Shares and CEO voting system.The bugs found are what caused the heist to be LESS than it could have been, essentially denying our cunning friends here 100B isk worth of extra loot.
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It's not a total loss. Cancelling jobs means losing the materials for those jobs, as the article noted, so even if our pal couldn't get away with all the loot, just punishment was still inflicted.
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Yeah, sadly punishment here isn't quite as satisfying as 100B isk.
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Thanks, for the help!
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quote: "After a year of taking abuse, he finally snapped and decided to take the corporation for everything it was worth."I don't think punishment was his main driver.
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Sympathy for the shoplifter. I have it. Eve ate my moral compass.
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I'm in the corps with the dude's main.It actually was what got him to snap. He joined initially to do industrial stuff, was happily doing it, got told that his stuff was going to get nationalized, and he got pissed off. It was HIS work, and they just said they were going to steal it.So he stole their stuff instead.
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On a side-note though, EVE is really lacking some proper asset / role management tools and rulemaking. Its because it isnt there that all these silly heists and scams are possible. Its no rocket science.
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Ehrmagert y u steal from people who dont want to be stolen from, ehrmagert ccp needs to safeguard its playerbase more.
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To be fair its probably not accountable for nearly 10% of the scams and heists in EVE. The main cause for these is purely a problem between the keyboard and the chair.
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lol
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Wasn't the plan to let all those jobs complete and then steal all the stuff after the CEO had been removed and they had full control of the corp?
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Living in a wormhole on several characters (AEVNT check for spies), I cannot agree with you more that asset management, especially in POS structures, corporate hangars, etc., is awful. However, the subject of this heist, as many experienced CEOs and scammers will tell you, had many opportunities to shield his assets from harm.Taking the corporate shares when he became CEO would have been the first step. Using those shares, he could have initiated (and automatically won) votes to lock down those blueprints, requiring a vote to unlock. If he was in control of all of the shares, no one could vote to unlock them but him.Leaving Ennui as Director when all he really needed access to was one POS was the last thing. Sure, in a small corp you may feel like it's the nice thing to do to hand out roles like candy. But really, don't do it.So in this case, it wasn't insufficient systems in place to protect the assets of [50AP]. It was insufficient use of the mechanisms in place.
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Yes, that was the plan. But as mynnna has so eloquently put it before, canceling those jobs was "like an arm amputation."
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Way to read the article dipshit.
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Did you even read the article?
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To be clear this was not a SYJ alt corp, it was all one guy's assets. Whether that makes the theft better or worse is up to you.
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Not technically, as it was removed from the alliance a while ago for some good reasons. However, when SYJ shows up to shoot tower mods that Nicole shouldn't have been able to turn off the shield too in the first place, they're very clearly related. ;)
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Totally not damage control
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How? All I'm saying is he took a guy for 50 bil, not a whole alliance. Honestly that's a complement since most people get shit on saying "oh you only took 25 bil from a C6 corp, that's nothing." Ennui and Nicole are the only people in SYJ who have ever had characters in this corp.
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What's a little neutral RR between friends?
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So, you are saying that all of the alt corps test has aren't really alt corps? I guess because only one or two actual people have, you know, alts in them; so they don't count?
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To be honest I think Ennui was throwing you a bone when he said, flatteringly, that you were there to shoot the POS.When I think of the most degrading things that can be done to you in EVE, they are, in this order1) Being told "You do not talk back to -A-"2) Having your c6 wormhole corp play neutral RR while one HAM Caracal shoots POS mods3) Being told by BoB "Fountain is your region, but we're doing all the static complexes"
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Ok I see how that could be confusing - what I mean is that this corp is not where SYJ does their T3 production (which it may seem like since there were 100 T3 jobs running), it's where Nicole does his T3 production. I see those as quite different and in a way important to the story, maybe you don't.
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I won't lie. Before Nicole put those jobs in, my plan was to take the BPOs and capital components, and change the corp MotD to "I didn't feel like you were using your capital BPOs enough, so I claimed them for my own uses."I guess that plan kind of broke down when he actually, you know, used them.
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Oh wow yeah because helping out a friend who did some dumb shit is so degrading, I had to shower with steel wool afterwards to scrub the shame off! There's no way that I just thought it would be funny to piss in your cheerios after you took a dump in his.
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Credit where it's due. Because of the bug, Nicole couldn't remove my roles and I couldn't remove his. Whichever of us stayed within 50km of the tower could bounce whoever was inside the shields. We took turns at this.What I'm saying is, Nicole used CCP's ~content creation~ tools to make Ping Pong inside of EVE, with our ships being the ping pong balls, and it was fun, even if it cost me some stuff.
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good read, great scam, shitty bug.
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Want to downvote but too high to log in...
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IDK... I sorta like the idea of two CEOs in a battle for power for a day. Ultimately the old CEO will be kicked, but for that 24-hour period it will be pure anarchy while order is re-established.
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Reminds me of a quote from a movie you might actually see a reference to."A burglar was attempting to enter a house and broke in through the skylight, falling 2 stories amid broken glass. He then SUED the homeowner for 2 million dollars, and won.""2 million? I would've got him four."
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IMO, the CEO was being a complete dick. In any game I've ever played, and a few where I've been a guild leader... I've always told my members that no matter WHAT, Real World obligations and responsibilities have to come first... And, from the sounds of it, that's all that was happening... RL happenings were keeping this player from logging in as much as he'd like. If I had been his CEO, I may have asked what was going on, but I would NEVER have threatened him in any way for living his REAL LIFE. Too many times, in gaming people take this stuff too seriously.
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Excellent article
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they really want it to be a bug. but its just how overlapping rules work
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If you're really convinced that roles are a consistent, reliable, and bug-free system, I'd advise you to read the section on page 3 about the "all the checkboxes" bug.Then try to tell me with a straight face that there is any case in good design where checking the "Communications Officer" box and clicking save, without making any other changes, should offer-Hangar 1-7 access-Wallet division 1-7 access-Title distribution-Title managementand on and on and onto a character who did not have those rights before that one box was checked.I agree there's scarcely little documentation on the whole subject, and CEOs over the years have largely had to learn as they go. But the fact that the system is arcane and undocumented does not automatically make bugs stop being bugs.
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me too ;)
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Nobody claims the corporate roleimanagmen system doesn't suck (badly).But this set of "bugs" is known and just one of the myriad things that are inconsistent about the whole affair. Yes, the corporate role system needs to be reworked from the ground up. [In which case you might not have gotten anything, because the CEO might have managed to lock down the shares (due to it being easier to do/understand).]But, the thing having been as badly broken as it is for such a long time... I'd argue that anything known to operate the way it currently operates... is as (awful) as it is. And therefore not in for a successful appeal to the GMs.
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Probably not likely that too many/any people are still following this story, but I'll leave this here for anyone who might have wanted to know the outcome.After escalation all the way up the chain to Lead GM:Reimbursement granted

On the high sea, a captain is in complete command of his ship. He makes the decisions and is a god among men when upon the ocean; however, his command is at the whim of the crew. When the crew get rich, they don’t care what he does. If he starts mistreating them, well, history is littered with mutinies. Even though EVE is set in the future, our space galleons are still at the mercy of our crew. So, as the second major heist in a week, this incident shows that you should treat your crew right or suffer the consequences. This heist also reveals an interesting set of bugs in EVE, which will be explained later on in the article.

The Straw That Broke the Tower's Back

Silver Phantasm had been a member of Project-Mayhem [50AP] for over a year. The corp was a high-sec alt corp of Surely You’re joking <HAHA>, a major wormhole alliance. Silver Phantasm had been AFK this past month due to real-life commitments, but he was pulled into a conversation two weeks ago with his CEO, Nicole Duval:

Silver Phantasm > I'd have to browse logs for an exact date, but about two weeks ago the CEO of the corp asked me when I was going to start using my POS again, as I've been fuelling it but not playing during a heavy school workload.

Silver Phantasm > When I told him it might be a little while still, he responded by saying that if I didn't start using it (no timeframe given), he was going to "claim it for [his] own purposes."

This angered Silver Phantasm to no end. He had been paying for this tower from his own pocket, and the CEO was going to steal it from him because he was doing real-life work. After a year of taking abuse, he finally snapped and decided to take the corporation for everything it was worth.


The 99+ T3 Hulls in Production and Capitals


Assorted BPOs and Capital Components Stolen from the Tower

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