Lost in Transmission

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Wormholers are the Hillbilles of Eve
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I usually like drama like this, but this is like an argument in a public library.....guys whispering what they think about the glasses of their opponent.....
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if you want to know what really happened watch my video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... also dj switch your a stupid fucking drug addict get fucking cleaned up and fix your real life before you try and run a eve alliance let alone a fucking corp also that's not a southern draw he speaks in it cause hes so fucking high on Oxycontin an Quaalude that he can barley speak also watch here for more info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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I'd rather have Night Beagle be a CSM before letting DJ run my alliance.
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im high!!!
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“TL’s still here, and we’re still gonna be kickin’ some ass, and everybody who lives in wormholes should be watchin’ they ass.” <<<<< just asking for it really what a dumb fuck
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Space democracy always fails.
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our logs show nothing
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This was inevitable, ask why [Sexco] left so long ago, lol why the guys in sexco who fixed TL before decided that hearding these bunch of monkeys around was such a headache
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Do I detect a hint of animosity?
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That's a little sad, now TL is not TL anymore, just a hijacked name. KAIRS was always TL. The corps now in TL are only newbies to the alliance.
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Democracy at its finest - if its one man/one vote and different quality of a man - it will always fail.It should be different amount of votes for different qualities/capital/knowledge. There is no way to ever work if a casual indy corp can negate the vote of the pvp/wh core group because "we are democracy , we all voted".And the culture must be shared , otherwise we have a contractual obligation between two or more groups with common workplace. I.e. it will always be temporary.
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Coming from an inside track, I can tell you that KAIRS and CLANN were simply unprepared for the brilliant political maneuverings of DJSwitch. Sure, you might think it's all tandems and xanex; that's what he *wants* you to think. The reality is a that beneath the carefully cultivated, drug-addled facade stirs the mind of a socio-political genius. One who patiently waits for MONTHS before springing his deadly trap on an unsuspecting e-democracy, siezing all the power in but a few days, taking no assets, and allowing his opposition to simply leave on their own accord.Truly, Hitler was only a pale immitator. The machinations of his Lightning War would be but playthings to our magnficent, perpetually stoned overlord. All Hail DJSwitch! Double Down Industries ÜBER ALLES!
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dont mad bro
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Chalk up another alliance broken by dj switch. Anyone else tired of having a functioning alliance? I bet you can work a deal with him.
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Sees one person say one thing one time...makes sweeping generalizations about a demographic.
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It really was just a matter of some of us wanting to go in a different direction. While the end drama was not the situation we had desired, there are a ton of good guys still in TL, and I wish them the best of luck in whatever they do going forward. We and others have already moved on.
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Remember when Bite Me Inc (also a founder) left Ducks and dj said they would still be kicking ass and whatnot, then promptly blew that alliance up in a dramatic fire? RIP TL. You're about to get dj'd.
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Well, you can vote executor in every alliance, if there are enough people, it isn't to hard to change the leadership.
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Welcome to Earth, you must be new here...
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It's because wormholers live in remote, isolated conclaves, and are prone to infighting, backbighting, and flagrant larceny. Also, we have sex with goats. Like, ALL the time.
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After being a founding member, and working on this alliance for the last 3 years, it was stolen from me by an ex-narwhal who's been in for a year. I wonder why narwhals didn't work out either? History repeats itself I suppose.
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There is a very simple rule for who gets to keep the alliance, and that is whoever created the alliance gets to keep it. The retarded C5 "Transmission Lost" corps will discover that they won't be a well known name for long.
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went to far on this post if some one can remove it for me please it would be appreciated
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Whats this about a H0NEYBADGER?
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Being a hillbilly.... I am offended by that comparison!
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Seems like you had a hint of small man syndrome and took advantage of drug addicted fools. Take a hint, your ruse didn't mean shit. A half-brained twit could smell your bullshit a mile away. Why would their be animosity? Many corps disassociated themselves from bad apples and bad leadership. Seems like a win for all. Especially if you don't give a crap about your reputation as a wormhole alliance. Carry on for a few months till inevitably dj switch completes his moronic crusade of claiming another alliance victim.Oh yeah Torshawna your a dick.
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We are those grungy, cannibalistic, post-apocalyptic raiders who always seem to be on crack and have bad teeth.
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So mad :(
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will the real DJSwitch please stand up?Aight im here the post as whole is true and i personally want to let everyone in wh's know that TL is still strong if you know anything the Loveshack crew then you would know that we're coming for ya.Now time to get high : PDJ
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Sex with Ghoatse*
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Confirming mad,bad,sad. Torsh isn't a dick. Just a sexually confused ball lobster in space.
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Well, at least you spelled Torshawna right. So you are already one step ahead of the nitwit who created the tired Hitler meme about the situation. Confirming... Torsh is a dick.
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Brah, you're the dumbfuck for not loving DJ.
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Who is Trasmission Lost?
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ABOOT?
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Discours started when you sudgested on the forum that lower class wormhole are less important then higher class ones... .
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Founding corp leaves alliance, dj says it'll all be fine, alliance crumbles. Not a new story :)
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The chat log seems clear to me personaly, now saying in hindsight that the chat was all a troll seems just weak excuse. We have seen that a million time before. Probably because that party lost their alliancename which is never a nice thing to happen to you, but all alliances in EVE-Online are ruled by majority. If a small group even though it consists of almost half of an alliance wants to take power and get rid of the other corporation, which seems to be the case here. The majority group, the larger group can protect itself by voting for a new executor corporation. This then protects them from being kicked from the alliance. This seems to have happened in this case. In the past a few large alliances have been broken up in the same way. And this could easily happen to other large alliances like Test-Alliance or Goonswarm.I also looked over their killboard from the last few months and it seems the corporations that remain in the Lost alliance were doing most of the fighting. They also seem to be flying the nicer equiped expensive ships. Well we will see what happens this month. Will the Lost alliance remain or be lost for ever? :)
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TL had thier asses kicked by sleeper social club last night. Is this the the beginning of the end for TL?
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What happened TL??? Fail rejects got slapped by Sleeper Social club that's what happened!!
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It's not a "troll", but a poor way of discussing a serious matter in a light/joky way, which got misinterpreted, sparking panic and drama. No matter in the end, as a split was inevitable anyways.
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I swear everyone that lives in wormhole space is a stoner. Or a bunch of 3 year olds trying to have adult discussions.
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Really it came down to a clash of cultures. The Narwhals corps in C5 'Loveshack' vs. the spread out 'do our own thing' guys in C2s. Two very different modes of w-space operation.Narwhals/DJ can have the alliance, since it's not like it comes with a sov/tech moon package. It's just a name, and frankly not one with the best repute. We'll move on.Best of luck to Nar..er, Transmission Lost. You'll need it.
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yes
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And who get to decide the quality of the votes?, you, dickhead?
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Still mad bro? It's a game let it go. Everything will be alright. A group losing a couple fights is no big deal. At least the fail rejects get into real fights, when was the last major fight CLANN/KAIRS got into? Oh that's right, you guys specialize in killing miners and drakes.
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Wow, you pretty much proved my point. No fights, all PvE ganks... Bravo.

Too Big To Fail

As the largest alliance in w-space, Transmission Lost [LOST] peaked at over 800 members. They absorbed most of the corps from Narwhals Ate My Duck [DUCK] in May of 2012, and these new corps only added to an already-sizable membership base. Member corporations were spread out between several systems of various classes, and the alliance functioned mainly as a defensive pact. Each group of pilots usually did their own thing in their separate systems, and group decisions were made democratically via a council of corporate CEOs. This system seems to have worked well for a few years, but it went decidedly south on Thursday, February 21.

Around 03:00 EVE time that day, a conversation started between Bane Nucleus, djswitch47, and Torshawna, all directors or CEOs of their respective corporations. The topic of discussion was the direction of the alliance. Specifically, djswitch had heard Kairos Syndicate—Bane’s corp and one of the founding members of LOST—wanted to take the alliance in a different direction and was looking for confirmation. In the chat logs below (which all parties have agreed are accurate), Bane seemed to confirm that the rumors were true, even when Torshawna followed up with direct questions:

[ 2013.02.21 03:26:53 ] djswitch47 > yeah heard clann kairs and veto were wanting to to loveshack and whoever else from ally
[ 2013.02.21 03:26:58 ] djswitch47 > any of that true?
[ 2013.02.21 03:27:05 ] Bane Nucleus > to to?
[ 2013.02.21 03:27:20 ] Bane Nucleus > its like i told gunner, kairs wanted to take the TL name with us
[ 2013.02.21 03:27:23 ] Bane Nucleus > and do something different
[ 2013.02.21 03:27:48 ] djswitch47 > whos we
[ 2013.02.21 03:27:55 ] Bane Nucleus > everyone but ddown
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:04 ] Bane Nucleus > j/k
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:05 ] Bane Nucleus > lol
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:19 ] djswitch47 > well whats going on
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:25 ] Bane Nucleus > i want TL to be more focused
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:28 ] Bane Nucleus > i want people checking the forums
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:34 ] Bane Nucleus > i dont want a mutual defense pact
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:48 ] Bane Nucleus > ctas every other day
[ 2013.02.21 03:28:59 ] Torshawna > CLDMN is one of the most active corps on the forums
[ 2013.02.21 03:29:04 ] Torshawna > so...
[ 2013.02.21 03:29:06 ] Torshawna > :P
[ 2013.02.21 03:29:17 ] Bane Nucleus > lol

[ 2013.02.21 03:31:38 ] djswitch47 > so kairs wants to take the tl name solo and do their own thing?
[ 2013.02.21 03:31:49 ] djswitch47 > or was that a joke
[ 2013.02.21 03:31:55 ] Bane Nucleus > more or a low class wh thing
[ 2013.02.21 03:32:54 ] djswitch47 > by yourselvles or what?
[ 2013.02.21 03:33:01 ] Bane Nucleus > if other corps want to come sure
[ 2013.02.21 03:33:03 ] Bane Nucleus > that is on them

[ 2013.02.21 03:35:19 ] djswitch47 > so basicly you wanna get rid of loveshack and one percent
[ 2013.02.21 03:35:32 ] Bane Nucleus > one percent can decide for themselves
[ 2013.02.21 03:35:43 ] Bane Nucleus > but we want people with access to lower end wh space
[ 2013.02.21 03:35:51 ] Bane Nucleus > people that want to do stuff
[ 2013.02.21 03:35:54 ] Bane Nucleus > check the forums
[ 2013.02.21 03:35:55 ] Bane Nucleus > read mails
[ 2013.02.21 03:36:18 ] djswitch47 > thats cool and all but there is still a council right?
[ 2013.02.21 03:36:50 ] Bane Nucleus > its useless
[ 2013.02.21 03:36:50 ] Torshawna > so bane, you're saying you want to drop anyone whose flying in C5s?
[ 2013.02.21 03:36:56 ] djswitch47 > or did we suddenly change to dictatorship
[ 2013.02.21 03:36:59 ] Bane Nucleus > yes
[ 2013.02.21 03:37:05 ] Bane Nucleus > i want to take a more active role
[ 2013.02.21 03:37:08 ] Bane Nucleus > and you guys arent down for that
[ 2013.02.21 03:37:11 ] Bane Nucleus > i know that much

To hear Bane tell it after the fact, this was all a troll. There had been no parallel discussion on their alliance forums, no alliance mails, and no council meetings regarding the alleged change in structure. Since, at the time, Bane was the CEO of the executor corporation, Double-Down and Cold Moon Destruction were concerned that he would unilaterally kick the corps living in C5 space. They took their misgivings to the other C5 groups to figure out what they should do. After some discussion, it was decided that they would replace Council of LOST with Double-Down as the executor corporation to prevent Bane from kicking corps.

He Said, He Said

When I spoke with Bane and Cipreh (diplomat for Clann Fian) on February 25, they told me that a few months earlier Double-Down brought in an industry corp, Double-Down Industry. In hindsight, they suspected the real reason for bringing in the corp was to add to their vote total for an executor change. When I spoke with Torshawna and djswitch47 that same day, they disputed this allegation, pointing out that even with the industry corp they did not have a majority for voting purposes. We’ll probably never know what each group’s true motivations were.

Naturally, this alliance structure change led to confusion and discord. In the discussions that followed, the corporations attempted to broker a compromise, but they could not come to an agreement. Torshawna and djswitch47 say that they offered to return Council of LOST to its rightful place as the executor, so long as Bane was replaced as the CEO. Bane and others claim that they had wanted to leave LOST anyway, and that Double-Down and the other corporations were effectively holding the alliance hostage. Given that Kairos Syndicate is a founding member of LOST, Bane asked to take the Transmission Lost name. Some of the C5 corps, however, thought that they were the ones who had made LOST into a well-known entity and deserved the moniker.

In the end, most of the lower-class wormhole corporations and others who were offended by the events simply decided to bow out of the alliance. No corporation was forcibly kicked, and the involved parties, while obviously perturbed by the incident, were all willing to talk freely about what happened, seemingly glad that the drama is over. At the time of writing, the corporations that have left or intend to leave are VETO, R-NAT, KAIRS, and CLANN, comprising approximately 350 members of LOST.

What Now?

Everyone I spoke to claimed that the falling out was a surprise, but some of the chat logs I’ve seen suggest that there had been rumblings of discontent leading up to the incident. That discontent is likely what led to the initial discussion about Bane allegedly kicking C5 corps after all. There were incidents where some corps in LOST did not honor ransoms, and alliance leadership felt bound to compensate the victims out of their own pockets. At various points there was talk about disparities in participation between corporations. All in all, the general sense I got was that some groups within the alliance were dissatisfied with the total headcount (800 is huge for w-space), and there were significant differences in culture between the corps.

Clann Fian and Kairos Syndicate say they have plans to form an alliance together, and that the other corps that leave LOST are welcome to join. As for the corps remaining in Transmission Lost, djswitch47 had this to say (to be read with a thick Southern drawl): “TL’s still here, and we’re still gonna be kickin’ some ass, and everybody who lives in wormholes should be watchin’ they ass.” We’ll see how LOST lives up to that statement in the months to come.

Straight outta J115405, I'm a wormhole resident and director in Hard Knocks Inc. When not writing about wormhole PvP and events in the greater w-space community, I enjoy jokes about Kazakhstan and the occasional glass of delicious tears.