Li3 leaves the HBC, Joins the CFC

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Gotta love montolio totally bullshitting dat fukken moon count.
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All this meta game, diplo stuff and more that happens beyond the fights is whats makes me stick with this busted game. Hell it's better then all the cop and mystery shows you can find on TV.
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Oh noez. MPX is going to have to be blue to SMA again! Ultimate win!
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who the f is this lockelock chap wasn't he in SMA and got his corp kicked for stealing stuff.......
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I'm pretty sure this is because Jade couldn't stand being in the same Alliance as Rundle.^ joke
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LI3 did a short stint with SMA back in the Delve war.
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As an SMA member, I find this incredibly awkward...I trust the leadership but now I don't know what to think.
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Meh, I think it's hilarious that MPX will have to find somewhere else to plot our downfall or will have to fight along side us a re-minted blues. LI3 and them will be watched like hawks... ;p
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As a member of MPX, id like to state that SMA is no longer of our concern in terms of what you guys are refering to. So that chapter of SMA is closed. Call it a new start if you like.
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Thinking this over, I think they will drop and rejoin another HBC entity. If that's the case I'll have no quarrels with them.
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holy shit this SMA posting is painful to read
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You can read?
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Sure, come on up and we'll have some margaritas.... oops, no underage drinking. :0
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Hope they enjoy a deadbeat alliance that has Ratting CTA's, an actual Membership Fee, and absolutely no combat participation. Nothing of value was lost to the HBC, and they will complement SMA's Mining CTA's.
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Guess who is currently clashing horns with them.
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Lovelocke, Diplomat of my heart.But seriously. If they think that they had problems with AIF, I can't wait to see what happens when JadeCougar has a temper tantrum again. What coalition will he join then?
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It just means that FA will have new buddies. But seriously, several FA corps were still charging member fee's as of 4 months ago.
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So what did Li3 get in exchange for joining CFC then? Fairly certain they wouldn't have moved just for nothing
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What on earth does FA need to be charging membership fees for? They ought to be rolling in money after sitting in the north uncontested for years.
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Dammit! Just got the orders from Pukin... Can't pod River now or we get kicked. Monkey hunts is now banned for MPX members. >_<
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Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.
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As an ex recruitment officer of Li3 and one that saw their entrance into null sec, there are alot of things that are people do not know about li3. This is not calling the writer of this piece incompetent in reporting rather it is so unknown. I shall try and keep this as neutral and accurate as possible. How i would like to put a disclaimer, that this is far from neutral.Li3 federation was originally formed as a wormhole alliance. With li3's bid to enter null sec, there were truly two options open at that time. Move to NPC null or find willing participants to form a corp, join a coalition then prove we are worth of full membership. NPC null is of course not an option for we were inexperienced. Jade having previous ties with SMA, Thus CFC was the coalition to impress. Thus we formed the corp, Li3's electric cucumbers for the purpose of the fleet numbers we could pull. Under the sponsorship of SMA, we went off in our brave new world Fast forward to the delve V war.Li3's bid for null sec has proven to be very successful. With roughly 120 members, we were now the biggest corp in SMA, provided 2/3 of total fleet numbers of SMA and had over 2200 kills in the month of july. It is this time when courthouse truly payed attention to our application to join the CFC. With everyone burnt out from all the fighting (we had at least one pilot in every op for 3 weeks straight), we stand at a crossroads. It was thus decided no matter what the diplos at CFC decide, li3 must break off from SMA. A lot of the members thought we were propping up a dead corpse called SMA with no benefit to speak of. Finally courthouse has come to a decision. Li3 would get blue standings with the CFC but no space or moons and live in NPC venal. This was effectively square 1 of moving to NPC null.Thus the directors was forced to find options. From what i understand, we approached a number of alliances such as (the now dead) soldiers of new eve, test alliance please ignore, IRC and solar. Some line members were mad and desperate enough to consider taking gypsy band's space from them and live there. Ex rivers eventually found out our coach hunting. Whether it was miscommunication or to protect SMA,, rivers was close to *commissar* li3 (which greatly soured relations between rivers and MPX as they were our main supporters. Thus resulted in their public ejection sadly). Alas he was talked away from the edge and gave li3 24 hours to evac. Speculations was that losing li3 would spark a cascade of SMA yet punishing them would destroy moral. Why turn up to fleets when the corp that did got booted?After everyone evaced to low sec, the diplomatic talks with montolio has bared fruit and we were to be accepted as a full member of the HBC. Due to miscommunication or self assumption by us (one or both i am certain of), we had expected to be granted space with a few weeks due to our contribution to the delve war. Alas this was not the case as we were suppose to reprove ourselves to new allies. Therefore jade continued to nag monty about the space issue. Which made us look like spoilt children if i think back now. This caused monty to refuse all diplomatic discussions with jade rather with other alliance leadership. Eventually we got our space.Unintentionally, i have personally continued to worsen jade's professional relationship with monty. Through my posting on the test forums, i conveyed what i had thought to be the correct financial situation of li3 federation. Which was terrible as we were only fully reimbursing vigils (3 mil per pop?). This led to aerollo, ceo of kaesong kosmonauts, having grave concerns that jade was taking all the moon goo profits for himself. Which proved to be untrue. None the less there is still much distrust between jade and the test leadership. From then on, i was booted from the alliance, therefore i cannot comment further.Li3 federation's time in HBC was not for nothing. Despite the ratting drama with raiden., many line members and myself will always have a special place for our bros in raiden. They helped us in something so small yet so meaningful for many of us. The estoria campaign has proven li3 to matured a lot from the days of flying rifters in CFC fleets. I am proud to have been a cucumber, a little pickle and a dildo. As famous words of daandrah------ 'Just bite the pillow and take it all in'
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Mittani can't be a figurehead much longer if he keeps kicking coalition alliances because they have difficult-to-deal-with CEOs.Welcome to humanity, Mittens; not everyone is a mirror of you. Sometimes you really do just have to let them do their own thing for a while, and get your own 9000+ members to attend your CTAs.
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Nice . first we took BDEAL now the next alliance . thats how you win a war politically .
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Li3 gained not being in HBC anymore.
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O i also forgot to add that after some conversational manipulation, i started diplomatic talks with N3 about joining them during the stain/estoria campaign.
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He's the CEO(?) of Enlightened Industries, they are the forerunners of the TEST Loss board, and hearing them comment on other people being disgusting carebears is pure fucking comedic gold.
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genuinely excited to have a new alliance in the CFC. welcome, duders!
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Thanks for this history lesson. I lost track of you guys when our wormholes split off from the cucumbers and we formed our own alliance. Jade had always made it clear that he wanted sov space and you guys worked very hard on this - so if this works out, congratulations. Its still a shame that a small, ambitious alliance can't get sov space without aligning itself with a major power bloc in some form. But that's the game.One word about Jade, he may come across as a drama queen sometimes but his passion and dedication to the cause is unquestionable. If it wasn't nullsec with its politics, I'd gladly fly again with him again.And yes, our WH alliance is doing very well. No drama.
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CFC needs more truckersTurns out Max Doobie is actually a CEO of a shit alliance. Have fun with SpaceMonkeys and getting your shit pushed in by Molle.
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the HBC/CFC relations.best line given CFC will be kicking the diplo that arranged them to join up in the first place and test will feel sorry for CFC and send aid convo to help.
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FA doesn't charge member fees or corp fees. If our individual corps do than that's on them and their recruitment efforts.
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If taking our bads from us is winning, please carry on winning.
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Mittani dong > Montolio vagina
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Welcome to CFC. I skipped everything after the first paragraph because seriously... walls of text = shit posting thought you might want the heads up.
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We're really not interested in monti.
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Uncontested for years is a stretch. We've only been uncontested for the last 3.5 months.Prior to that we'd been in a perpetual war for 2 and a half years straight, without a break.
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ENL-I is the worst corp in TEST hands down. Full of disgusting mouth breathers and neckbeards beyond the usually fathomable number of depraved neanderthals in EVE; even worse than Dreddit.
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wow bitter much. FA and corps do not charge members anything. but GBC "cough" HBC does might have mixed up the letter like me
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He's educated himself in the Art of Penifsmash tech moon counting.
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This implies there was something of value ever in the HBC.
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It was Jadecougar that told montolio they were getting 15 tech moons.
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thanks for clearing that up, noted anonymous TMC commenter
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just for record worldlimits is legit that dude was one hell of a recruiter for li3 wtf why they kick him?
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If they do move next door to us in Vale, I bet it'll work out well. Welcome back bros
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That vagina has a beach full of sand in it, to boot.
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You are literally a retard and have no idea what you speak of.
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It will be easy to plot your downfall when we are the ones doing twice as much at half the size.
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tl;dr
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Kick B0rt
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Why does anyone need to 'get' or be 'offered' anything to join the best coalition in eve?
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Nope
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Didn't he make a post on the TEST forums linking an en24 article and complaining about how mean TEST were to HBC members and he got trolled for 10 or so pages?
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If by being trolled you mean autists came in and repeated each other for ten pages, sure.
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we are and I am.
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Hmm, was it the same Lovelocke who offered to fuck up FA together while speaking to a CFC diplomat? He is quite eloquent and tactful for a bloc-level negotiator/diplomat. Also makes me wonder how far TEST would have gone in all their endeavours without assistance of GSF and PL if all their senior leadership is like him.
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That was completely untrue. When we started, jade wanted us to not get fat so we started in pure blind instead of where everyone in SMA stages out of. Which is branch. Simply to put it, the K-QUVW pocket was perma camped very soon. Zagul wanted SMA to hand over sov for it but there was much resistance cause that was the birthplace of SMA during the NC days. Zagdul used the excuse of us losing a JF to NC. supers as a reason that we cant secure the pocket.
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Vnixx is a fucking bro and all you SMA fucks did was trash talk him. That toxic culture is one of the reasons we didnt stick around with SMA longer when we could. All that alliance chat trolling is not what you do with newbros;
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Thanks, who is this :D
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That was true but as an alliance never cared for isk. Before MPX brought this 'we need a war chest' mentality to the table, everyone ran in fleets without SRP. While this mentality is completely valid, isk isnt the reason why we left. HBC leadership is down right bad. Test cant into diplo. Simple as that. When monty closes chat windows with alliance directorates cause hes playing planetside, shit is just not right. You cant be in a coalition when it is so hard to communicate with people up top. I am however surprised li3 left considering our eviction from the cfc was handled so badly IE courthouse believed all the shit rivers said.
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Gents were one of the few alliances in the CFC that i had a positive attitude about. If li3 are moving to convicted's old space, that would be awesome for both of them.
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I was spying on molle for a month or so. Before i left, i was on the way of constructing a very large spy network for diplomatic awareness. Yes, li3 can meta game like the big boys. Dont know what happened now but molle is def a non threat.
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Then you'll be happy to know that Courthouse is no longer a director or a diplomat.
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check delve relateds forming up dasboot fleets is only option for test to beat Hawk fleet or caracal fleets :D
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They are just butt-hurt because someone dared to leave. They were all ranting about being hated in the cfc while they were hating on us in the HBC. They are the perfect example the kugu culture running a coalition.
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If by 'beat' you mean 'sit on the undock at zero until the hostiles get bored of popping sentry drones and leave'.
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Well to sum it up: "Cunt flipping nobhead get the fuck out you shitposter" That is lovelocke.
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No mention of how OBC beat Li3 into submission with a 12 man gang? That's why they begged to be blue.
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When will people get that skill does not make you the best coalition? They're the best coalition because they leverage their wars into geopolitical victories, not because they're "elite," or even good pilots. They have the best propaganda, largest and most consistent userbase, the largest cash reserves, and the most influence over nullsec politics. Sorry if that doesn't mean that they're the best to you, but it does to me.
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I don't remember much about TEST member corps, but I do remember ENL-I being a shit-vacuum only surpassed by -FA- in retard intake/week.
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targie ur a fgtgood poastalso i disregard CFC i bet they where offerd 20... no 30 tech moonsdamn jews
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That was Bring Stabity you fucking moron.
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Ironic that all their active pvp corps (rather than join the cfc) are leaving or have left to join test, yeah they must have been treated like shit.
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And as most of you know, I seldom pull punches, from either side. I was a big part of SMA back in the days of PB -> Branch move and I hope I have earned the respect of both sides in most cases. I have earned my right to speak what i think, and I believe I have earned both of your's trust.EC, I will start by pointing out that the very reason you were given the boot was because you were trying to do exactly what you did, and that's fine BUT you were using the backs of SMA to build your own alliance and when tried you to go behind SMA's back to secure some sov of your own, well it was frowned uponCFC basically said, "fine you can have blues but your going to have to earn your sov with more than showing up and pushing F1. (how many of you were on the crew that built out the infrastructure? OH WAIT I RAN THAT SHIT ... ANSWER? NONE, how many of you were manning the massive endeavor to mine ice for all of the CFC? OH WAIT I ran that shit too... answer ... none.)It takes more than anchoring and pushing f1 to hold SOV.... that's the hard fact, and at the time CFC knew it.Now were you an important arm of SMA's pvp fleets ... yes and you were VERY VERY good at showing up in fleets... that you deserve credit for.But pulling the backroom deals and acting like a bunch of disloyal asshats is what got you kicked, is river an asshole to folks that he feel has stabbed him in the back? Yesis Thor an asshole .......... yes but the counsel is usually fair.Now for MPX, look you guys are cool with me and I am pretty sure I am good peeps in your book, but the fact is that towards the end you guys were dropping some massive hate all around.Yeah, I was there when you guys bitched and moaned for 30 minutes about River, thor, and the Counsel. Its the one benefit of being the guy that everyone knows will listen AND keep his secrets his.MPX got what was coming to them, were they a major part of SMA, YESDid they deserve a place of influence in SMA ? YESWas it ruined because of nerd rage.... sadly yes.Is thor an asshole? YesListen, Li3 is going to be a part of the CFC again soon so let me give some advice to everyone (and god dammit pukin and river fucking listen for once)Let me ask you this? If I ever asked you for help, would you come to my aid?If your saying yes right now go to the next question (if your not then I hope you get the crabs .... from your sister)Why would you?The answer should be because, you know that I have and always will treat you like a brother.Eve fosters division, Be it Mittens and Monty, River in Cypher, jews and jewgold (wait the last one mught be something else) Its key to conflict and conflict is content.The CFC will be tested soon (and yes you really should be fucking listening now) and the oponents will go for the soft underbellies in the CFC, now LI3 may say "oh well that would be SMA" and SMA might say "oh that will be LI3"The truth is, they are going to go after the alliance that is the quickest to waver, mostly likely to log off, and the one that can provide the crack in the armor.So put your stupid shit aside, act like men. and pass the ammunition.Did I mention that thor is an asshole?Nothing but love to all of you,PhigmetaP.S. Vnixx please for the love of god go to the doctor and get some Testosterone. FUCK MAN WILL WILL YOUR BALLS DROP?
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actually although its not the whole story, it is in fact true.Keep in mind that MPX ran most of the JB towers and cyno towers when we were in PB, so I could see a perspective that they deserved some part of PB.That being said, as LI3 is showing even now, its really about HOW you do something, not what your doing that matters
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Kangroo ate my baby, who said they will stay is leaving. Alas electric cucumbers are a very strong corp. I see them being finfleet of raiden.
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Is the Alzheimers kicking in?
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uhmmm because it was true... or should we talk about why EXPCS holdings took over all of the JB network?Seriously, shut your windsocket. you don't want to air ALL of LI3s dirty laundry.And considering how much dirty laundry I have.......If you want to bitch and complain about legit crap please do .... but if you want to try and rewrite history....well we can have a nice long convo about the UC3 station negotiations that was attempted with zag behind rivers back.....,.... your choice
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OH dear god rishak redneck renegade ass on coms, thank go he can't afford to fly capfleet.....Welcome back bitches..... ;)
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I dunno from the meeting it sounds like the corps leaving are the PvP corps. Kill board backs that up.
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Damn Phig, you got's the TL;DR skill brosef. BTW, I think you surpassed my day's back in SMA. =)To sum up everything I gotta say to SMA ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...We is coming home brothaz.For the SMA Bros; you got my number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...I would have already called them, but they change their numbers as much as they change their underwear.For the rest of the CFC ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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It will be good flying with you fools again, let me know if yall need any help moving shit, yall know i am like a one man cap fleetA station spinning cap fleet ................ or maybe its clap fleet i can never tell.
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Thats utter bullshit, jade wanted to have his own alliance (you said so yourself) he was hoping to use zag as a way to carve up some space of his own. The reality is that he has always been more interested in Li3 than he was SMA. Thats all good and now that he has it good on him.BUT y'all were kicked because you were doing underhanded deals and got busted. handing over PB (with the exception of UC3 and Mi6) was part of the deal from the very beginning.
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pax that coat-hanger sticking out from the side of your neck wasn't because mommy fell in the closet......... its because mommy didn't want you
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I thought that was obvious; I did say it was on TEST forums.
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I can confirm no membership fees. Uncontested? You make me laugh! I was deployed from the minute I joined FA & barely a break since, but that's how we roll ;)

On the 18th, it was announced that the Li3 Federation were leaving the HBC for the CFC. This culminates a rather terse relationship between Li3 CEO Jadecougar and TEST leadership. According to the HBC broadcast about this move, they have apparently been offered 15 tech moons, though this fact is disputed by the CFC. While the moon offering may or may not be true, with space being left by the recent removal of C0nvicted from the CFC, this may mean Li3 will end up in Vale of the Silent quite soon.

Hello friends!

I bring news, Li3 Federation has decided to take leave of the HBC and join the CFC in exchange for some sweet sweet Technetium. The assets they own in the south will be peacefully transferred to other alliances.

Standings will be kept for a week - I highly suggest all HBC alliances set them +0.1 to +2.5 (no fleet access). No blacklist is placed on Li3 members or corporations.

I will be doing a State of the Coalition on 3/2.

#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-02-17 22:05:25 EVE Time ####

 

Li3 Federation has allegedly been offered ~15 tech moons~.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2447P877z5k

If the CFC is currently trying to poach you - measure worth accordingly! I think AIF was about ~12.

:frogcawg:

#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-02-17 22:23:14 EVE Time ####

I reached out to members of the three parties involved for a quote on the situation.
 
The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm Federation:

Li3 approached Razor after the fall of Cobalt Edge about a month ago but nothing panned out there, and my diplomats spoke to them after the AIF leadership crisis; Li3 had initially wanted in the CFC when Jadecougar first formed Li3, but we don't accept untested alliances. And no, we haven't offered them 15 Tech moons, that's just sensationalistic propaganda from Montolio trying to stir up bitterness. It doesn't even make sense.

Jadecougar, CEO of Li3:

I'm hesitant to mention anything at this time since the decision is fresh and there's much logistics work to be done. We want to do this as peacefully as possible for all parties involved. Further comment can be given later.

When asked if it was true that they were offered tech moons to move to the CFC, Jadecougar replied: "That is not the reason we are moving to the CFC."

After reaching out to some of the TEST leadership, I managed to get a quote from Lovelocke, an alliance diplomat:

"Jadecougar is a tremendous fucking ****, and good riddance."

All in all, while it doesn’t seem that TEST is too concerned with losing Li3, this likely will add more tension to the HBC/CFC relations.

Hi, My name is Targie. I've done everything from High-sec wars, to Low sec Pirating; from Wormholes to 0.0 wars. I'm currently in TEST alliance, where I annoy my corp. mates with bad stories. Follow me on twitter . @TargieMcRed for article updates.