June 2013: Eve’s Reddit Civil War Begins

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I like how when TMDC posts a story written by a non-aligned reporter about CFC losses, you don't see CFCers screaming about spin but instead talking about how fun the fights are, regardless. But when a story even remotely touches Test with an ostensible negative, 10,000 Testies are up in arms, screaming about spin and bias. Try and find even one substantial example where this is not true.
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Straw man argument, please ignore.
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You're right of course. We were never allied with Test in the first place, so this is just war.
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You are literally retarded. I'm not making an argument. I'm pointing out a fact. I trust people can draw their own conclusions. Go back to rhetoric school.
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In all fairness, Testies in general are pretty pissed about the whole state of affairs. They're yelling at anyone who'll listen, which unfortunately includes TMDC. For examples of moar tears, see the official announcement post on the subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/co...
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Funny how Testies talk about the csaa's cfc lost but doesn't talk about the dozen or so systems they've lost in the past week.
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Here, let me talk about it right now.5 Systems due to Mittani getting his cock out for Sort Dragon, fucking over an innocent guy (Kearl)A bunch of systems (with no station) within range of the CFCs staging.A bunch of systems we've taken back.Satisfied?
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Well, you're responding to it, so the propaganda hit a nerve at the very least.
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Well the Sov Map shows a gain of 2 systems recently, and a loss of another 2 systems. So a net gain of zero.On the other hand, Goonswarm has gained two.
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Mmmm, could've used a bit more rage and general anti-CFC/backstabbing fwedditor hate, but it'll do.
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Nobody in TEST hates Fweddit, but that is exactly the kind of meta you people are trying to develop. Good luck with that.
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Apparently we do if it's taken you over a year to notice us.
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Hate may have been a strong word. But unsurprisingly you have not been reacting at all well to our decision.
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what does vOv mean? i just don't know, a little of topic but i see it alot and have no idea.
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How exactly is this a straw man argument? If it is, it appears to be a variant I never learned about in my college logic courses.
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i don't know if this is intentional but you come across as a right cock, i was wondering if that's the angle you were hoping for?
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Mostly I'm just trolling, so yes, after a fashion I suppose I am.
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J4lp = just for loyalty points? jst wnt som clarification.
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its a shrug. arm face arm
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it's a considerably better name than 'test alliance please ignore'
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The funniest thing in all of this is that a lot of TEST leadership are worried that the CFC's motivations - AKA the Mittani's motivations - for accepting J4LP's overtures is to wage a massive FUD campaign against TEST. The kicker is that since there's no indication one way or the other from the CFC, the FUD campaign is essentially being waged from inside TEST by TEST members who are worried about a FUD campaign against TEST.Even if the CFC's goals weren't to damage TEST's morale, this is already happening and all they had to do was set J4LP at +5. Really a masterstroke, if you ask me.(Disclosure: I am a member of J4LP who has managed to overhear some public conversations between TEST and J4LP leaders.)
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Not really.
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Who cares about a barrage of cruiser after cruiser turning into wrecks. Piggy backing on CFC intel and JB network whoppie. Cannon fodder nothing more, nothing less.
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Jew 4 LP*
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It's an Amarr faction-warfare alliance. I think it fits perfectly in the lore of Eve.
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Holy fuck the comments section of every single article is being swarmed by illiterate shitposters. This place is literally reddit right now.
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Honestly? Better to be a Goon pet than a TEST pet, if only because you guys are such massive wankers.
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Brave Collective, Brave Newbies' alliance is larger than fweddit so technically they are the second biggest reddit alliance.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think BNI required any amount of reddit activity. Nor have I seen anywhere on BNI's site or on their sub any claims about them being an official reddit corp. They're pretty active on reddit, sure, but so are a lot of goon members. Simply posting and recruiting on reddit doesn't necessarily make a corp a reddit corp.
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Wow this article is so hilariously, facepalmingly bad, I had to check EN24 to see if it was ripped from there. Mounds and mounds (and mounds) of propaganda? You mean a bad MSPaint job of putting a MMD and Fweddit chikkunz head on a screenshot? Or typing some words over a screenshot of an Eve-kill page? Yeah, these are totally the opening salvoes of an obviously monolithic internal conflict tearing the fabric of Reddit apart.
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I posted this because I'm part of IWhip. I wasn't really going to post anything, but it seemed prudent to post *something* about this announcement since so many people reacted to it anyway.You know that TMC has a whole staff of writers from every background, right? Perhaps you should be bitching at your alliance's representative (if you even have one). If it doesn't, then you're welcome to apply to be a writer or even submit your own piece :)
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I'm sorry you think this is spin. I, a member of a corporation (not Fweddit) that is part of IWhip, wrote this article and tried to keep the spin to a minimum. All I did was report.... I didn't anywhere chestbeat, talk shit about TEST, or say anything spiteful.I titled it a civil war because it was a good title -- a title good enough to click. I guess it worked!
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yes really, that name sucks ass and always has, you're just accustomed to itat least 'I whip my slaves back and forth' is funny to start out with as opposed to never
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You mistake that Test even really cares. You are led by a Goon alt. Test's morale can't be touched by a no name group such as Fweddit. Most in Test are making fun of Goons for blueing you guys.
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Wow. There is the truth right there. Welp.
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OH, I see like that whole Tribal Band thingy, I get it now.
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Unfortunate? Not at all! Please let them continue with the howler monkey mating calls. Just place your tears and ad revenues in the jar before you leave, thanks.
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honestly as a concerned tmc citizen with no irons in this fire i humbly suggest these silly articles are contrary to one of the founding principles of tmc (to not be like en24) and should be reigned in
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I was looking at corps with their own subreddit as my definition. You have a point though. I had never used reddit before joining BNI
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I like how the news about J4LP (which is run by a goon alt) is supposed to be some sort of surprise, or civil war in Reddit. Like most alliances, the sheep follow the shepherd. In this case the shepherd is a goon. Wow, color me surprised. Guess the concept of taking Queerious wasn't useful as a distraction when mainline CFC is up assaulting Fountain.Also well put "stepping out from Dreddit and TEST's shadow" directly into the shadow of the largest coalition in the game. Way to stand up and show all of EVE what you can do on your own in the sandbox.
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Apparently you have forgotten how Goonswarm became famous for that very tactic. If you have the numbers, then anything is possible.
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For a group that doesn't care about FWeddit, you guys sure do seem to care a lot.Judging by a very cursory glance at /r/eve, /r/evedreddit, and /r/fweddit, (which a whole bunch of TEST members descended on and shamelessly shitposted incessantly once FWeddit made their announcement of +5 to the CFC), I think TEST cares very much.
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Funny, I know DHD cares quite bit about this as do the rest of the spergs who have been endlessly shitposting in /r/fweddit since Rina announced that J4LP and the CFC would be mutual +5'ing each other.If that's TESt not caring, I'd hate to see what TEST caring looks like.
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No, No. "They didn't want that subreddit anyways"
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I like how you're stating a fact while using exaggerations such as "10,000 testies are up in arms." In my college logic courses, I wasn't aware facts were substantiated with exaggerations... hmm, who knew? And why would CFC's scream about spin when TMDC posts an article about them? It's usually written by them and its on their site, after all.
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What's awesome is that I got to see to DurrHurrDurr jump his six-plated Typhoon through your jump bridges over and over again.
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Have fun with our alts guys.
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NO YOUR ALLIANCE NAME SUCKS AND ALWAYS HAS SICK BURN BRO
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Can't shake the feeling that this is going to end badly for the CFC. Also you claim no propaganda yet the first paragraph carries the highly emotive sentence "instead J4LP announcement marks a symbolic blow"
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I'm confused how a pointless faction warfare alliance is going to have an impact on this null sec war. This is shit, and you should feel bad for posting it
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Who are you again?
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Fweddit will smarten up and 'earn' their systems fighting with their bros? Instead of accepting bribes to fight against them? There is the very likely possibility this move is just to funnel intel back to TEST, and GFC Coalition knows this, will they therefore keep them as pets and away from real blue status perqs like strat forums? My bet is yes, and this wedge will only widen as time passes.Whatever happens, it looks like destiny that Freddit will be back with TEST sooner or later!/rewrite
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lol reddit
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Here I thought "reporting" meant using factual terminology and not things that sound like they'll get clicks. What, wasn't en24 hiring for this kinda shit?
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> Picks a title because it sounds good, not because its accurate in any way.> Claims he's "just reporting"
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It's stating a fact on GFC losses (a), and comparing to a TEST negative, such as this 'civil war' (b). Then asks if the reader can provide examples where (b) alone is not true. Strawman is (b).Were we comparing the losses of each faction and comparing the outcry of unfairness, and asking for reactions,or proof of the difference, we would not have a strawman argument.Which college?
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All these symbolic announcements start with a symbolic blow. Goons casting couch.
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Who honestly gives a shit about a board like reddit. Honestly.It's lame and pathetic much like 4chan is these days.Ever considered that people are trolling?
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Surely a symbolic announcement should follow a symbolic blow. But then I guess the symbolic announcement would then cease to be symbolic as the symbolism would of been extracted by the symbolic blow :-) . What do I know...hubris-narrative-spin-rmt ect ect .
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I think the biggest tragedy in the comments is nobody has said how great that image is. Bravo, good sir.
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"Spin" and "metagaming" ? :) As an outsider I see two concepts fighting here, CFC - hardcore gamers from the old days, take the game seriously, and TEST - "we want to blow stuff up and have fun, this serious approach is outdated"
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I like how both of you argue ignorance and shuffling the burden back and forth. Second, I like the exaggeration that "10,000 testes are up in arms." Even though it's quite likely a lie (as neither party has shown any proof of it either way), it's a lot like trying to estimate the amount of water molecules in a tsunami by mere observation; except in this case it's a tsunami of shit and tears.
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Holy shit you are dumb, literally commit suicide irl
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Let's be honest right from the start. I fly with TEST. I come here and most times find an insightful, well written, often thought-provoking column. It really, really surprises me that Mittani would get something like this so very, very wrong. Now, I could be wrong here myself. But not likely.You see, for TEST sov is a byproduct of our fights. Not the goal. To be sure, we certainly do LOVE the byproduct but the main goal, the driving purpose of TEST is to play the game. As long as TEST pilots keep x-ing up for fleets Goons can never win. And why would TEST pilots keep x-ing up even if we lost all our sov? As an old book says, "As steel sharpens steel, so one man sharpens another." The best way to become better at something is to pit yourself against others as good or better than you at it.Goons are very, very good. How can we not relish the given opportunity to pit ourselves against you? Which is why the position of Fweddit in regards to Dreddit matters not at all. We are both from the same place. There is no civil war between us. Just a buddy playing the game too. In the end one of us will chuck the other on the shoulder and say, "Good fight" while buying the beers.
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TEST sov is a "byproduct of your fights"? No, it's a byproduct of a number of powerful alliances liking your humble but devoted attitude. Alas, after gaining sov, that attitude was replaced by self-righteousness and smug.
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In a sense it is Redditor against Redditor, so it's not technically wrong.
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CFC are afraid to post. If they say the wrong thing they get purged silently.
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While it might be run by a dude with a character in GoonSwarm, he didn't have it there until well after the fact; and even when he did join GoonSwarm with an alt he wasn't even the leader of J4LP at the time- Fweddit was never really allied with TEST, and the only thing the two have ever had in common are an external community that literally argues about anything anyway.Why can't people just show up and shoot dudes without you neckbeards trying to point a fucking finger at which sides cock they are trying to suck?
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I just hope TEST doesn't give up too soon. I am sure they are feeling the walls closing in so I am starting to expect a tactical retreat at any moment. If TEST is still around in August then at least we will have given that old limp biscuit a PvP send off.
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Aerallo getting mad in total non-shocker.
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Jew For LP
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That is no civil war as there are no civilians. They are militia. When you treat your grunts like shit they will revolt. I followed FW a little lately and even if not directly, they recieved more indirect help from CFC members as it seems. There is influence map for FW, I recommend to look it up.Also I don't really think these two entities have anything in common except being reddit publords.
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That's the best you could do?I am dissapoint on many levels. I come to themartini for way higher class spin and fiction than this.
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I can say what I want. The fact that I write under my EVE name partially proofs that. Explain your logic ? What exactly holds CFC member from posting shit anonymously if they wanted ? Creating a instant mailbox ? GTFO :D When I get purged it is usually because personal opinions that represent only the amount of butthurt and confusion of a single person given the power to do it. Maybe I can post some kittens to entertain you ?
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You said it. Opinions are what mess up the real world badly. People forgot to think for themselves, to look for facts and make own pictures of it. Good job FOX News, CNN, (insert your own enslavers).
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The reddit civil war has begun, and has now spilled into TMDC
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Pure TEST strategy. Let other people win your battles then sperg shit on forums. They seem to be more smug about it than the actual people who aborted that capital.
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You mean Goons=BOB and TEST=Goons. The irony is strong in space.
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Let me help you with visual aid. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/...
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How Metagaming works:http://wp11051964.server-he.de...
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Don't listen to Aerallo; he's seen the bigger boys talking about the proliferation of CFC 'spin' on kugu and, because he cannot do it on that site without being ridiculed, he's regurgitating it here.Aerallo, after all, knows all about spin from his attempts to defend his capital ship pricing which effectively saw him charging alliance mates scam rates.
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The question is are they bad ?
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what is this bullshit article
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Oh my... Redditors haven't been this upset since we forced them to shutdown their jailbait pedophile pages.
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Faggot Chickens. They say they don´t go to Querious because NC. had a shitload of supers. Just be honest little Space Chickens, you want SOV no one will deploy Supers against your shitty Talwars Nowadays. Have fun being a G G G Goon Pet.
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Trying to sum up the feelings within TEST towards Fweddit...Mildly interested? Slightly intrigued? Wondering why they didn't just hop in with us, but not really too worried about the fact that they didn't.
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Today You Learned: TEST shitting on people =/= TEST caring.
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20 out of 11,000 people in TEST post about FWeddit and this means TEST cares?
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Same Two thoughts (really simple) either Fweddit is awoxing in that case, Kudos. Or they are trying to go null and those of the "IWhip" stripe know exactly what happens when they go null (I tend to think of them as slightly improved Newbies to be honest, better ships same stupid mistakes over and over again).
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This is what happens when I go on vacation.
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Step up your game son. This is pathetic bullshit.
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Oh no, the Goon-ran B0rt alt alliance is welping talwars alongside Goon supers. We're doomed! I can't blame goons for wanting to take over Reddit though; I've been to Something Awful.
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The TEST forum is too excited about all the awoxing opportunities to worry about tears. I mean, Fweddit asked for standings and we said no (they were also rejected by Pizza LOL). Why would we be mad?The "civil war" narrative is almost as bad as endie's recycled WWII gimmick.
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rargh! There's your rage, I guess. Also we're embarassing the shit out of "The Masters of SOV war."You can't take a region from TEST. You've downgraded from Tengus and techfleet to caracals and bombers. Your allies like C02 are already ending reimbursements. Let all of that sink in m8er. Also thanks for the Nyx kills, let's do it again soon.
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I don't see any "Masters of SOV war" anywhere, nor do I see anything embarrassing other than your shitposting.
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You have two options here. 1) Write your own article and submit it for publication. If its any good it will get posted. 2) Continue moaning.TMC will post pretty much anything if its at an acceptable level of quality, so if you think you've seen an injustice here or want to post a news items from a different angle, please go ahead.
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The only spin Aerallo is actually familiar with is how quick he got spun the fuck out of PL and right back into TEST.
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TBH, everyone is calling this drama and civil war, except test and fwedditsomething to keep in mind
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It's interesting that you see this in a sexual way. Something very Freudian about that.
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"Taking back" might not be the best way to describe it. Looks more like "sov pingpong" to me.
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Try harder.
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You must be thinking you are sperging Rhetoric (google it).

At 1:00 Eve Time on 14 June 2013, Rina Kondur, alliance executor of the I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth alliance (J4LP), announced that J4LP will be aligning itself with the Clusterfuck Coalition (CFC) for the current Fountain war. This announcement came as a large surprise, and has created an earthquake within the Reddit community; this officially pits the two largest Reddit Eve corporations, Dreddit and Fweddit, against one another.  In terms of size and strength, J4LP’s announcement does not necessarily mean the CFC acquired a major powerhouse alliance.  Instead, J4LP’s announcement marks a symbolic blow to Eve Reddit solidarity; TEST alliance assumed that J4LP would remain loyal (or at least not unfriendly) to TEST due to the Reddit connection. 

Tensions between the two corporations have already skyrocketed; mounds and mounds (and responses to mounds) of war propaganda have already surfaced despite the announcement being incredibly fresh and completely unsuspected.  Dreddit and Fweddit in the past have experienced a healthy flow of members between their corporations. In the past, both corporations have had rather lax recruitment standards, requiring little more than an active Reddit account.  Will this policy remain, or will the iconic recruitment methods of both corporations be changed?

Many Eve players now find themselves confused.  More specifically, the pilots who have characters in both Dreddit and Fweddit are trying to figure out which battle line they should align.  Some Eve players will realistically end up fighting for both sides of the war – enjoying the spoils of war no matter which corporation succeeds.  Will one corporation see a max exodus in the upcoming days? Maybe.  More interestingly, what will happen to the Reddit refugees after this civil war?  Will Redditors immediately flood the victorious corporation, or will they remain in their current corporate homes?  TEST has vowed to fight to the last ship, and promised to remain intact even in the face of losing all sovereignty.  J4LP, on the other hand, currently holds no sovereignty; a loss would more than likely mean J4LP would return to their main port of Egghelende on the edge of the Amarr/Minmatar warzone.  If TEST is victorious, the distribution of Redditors between Dreddit and Fweddit would more than likely remain the same – Eve would basically reflect pre-war conditions.  However, if J4LP is victorious and [somehow] acquires sovereignty, J4LP may experience a burst of membership applications from defeated line members of Dreddit who would not want to help rebuild TEST to its former glory (assuming it does not collapse in the aftermath of a defeat).

Now let’s consider the third parties – more specifically the Dreddit and Fweddit's allies. Because of the massive overlap of players who have characters in both Dreddit and Fweddit, widespread espionage rings and awox attempts will more than likely be at an all-time high.  Without a doubt, spies already existed in both camps anyway.  However, in the advent of this announcement, loyal Dredditors or Fwedditors may have unknowingly become potential spies, saboteurs, or double-agents.  A potential tidal wave of spies may now have access to various fleet adverts, docking rights, and jump bridges.

At the end of the day, this announcement brought about two sets of opposite emotions; Dreddit and TEST feel betrayed and blindsided by J4LP’s announcement, while Fweddit and J4LP are experiencing a moment of pride by firmly distinguishing themselves and stepping out from under Dreddit and TEST’s shadow.  The 0.0 battlefields will now witness former Reddit brothers and sisters completely obliterating each other. 

First blood has already been drawn.  Redditors, which side will you choose: the Dreddit Dinosaurs or the Fweddit Space Chikuns?

You can find the raw audio from J4LP's State of the Alliance meeting here.  The actual announcement begins at 7:15.

Images courtesy of Kristalll

I've been bad at League for over three years, and even worse at Eve for nearly eight. I enjoy pentadunking on Darius, leap frogging on Tristana, and being nerfed on Irelia. I also especially enjoy logging into Eve with no evemails in my inbox.