Heist! SMA Robbed for 600+ Billion

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That's a lot of spacebucks.
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Soliqe Saravus is not an alt of Loft. It is SpacePandaz alt(Lofty's brother) please get your facts straight Oerlikon_Llama
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Well. He just stole enough ISK to pay for EVE and have fun playing it for the next decade or so.
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oh, and lofty is Alisonia. Everyone in SMA just calls him lofty.
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Yep. It's funny how they mixed that up, imo at least.
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Loft for president.
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With the breakup of Kebabs and that stuff with Roo, I'm only a little bit surprised.
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Fucking loves it, every time i read of one of these long winded thefts it always makes me smile, rarely do people set out to do this but yet it happens so much, seems everyone has a limit of shit they can take.
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damn monogamy strikes again.
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"I was getting bored with the monogamy of it all"Erm, I don't think that word means what you think it means... monotony perhaps. But I do still find it kinda vanilla and dull that SMA is monogamous
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didnt want that isk anyways
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When did "M(a)riam Webster" become "M(i)riam Webster?" You're just as bad sir.
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You both are stupid and illegitimate. It's M-E-R-R-I-A-M Webster.
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We lost isk and assets? Oh well...killboard is still green.
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CFC...we need to take SMA out behind the shed and put them out of misery. How much longer can we sit here and watch them die? This is too cruel.
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SMA is like Tryndamere with an infinite ultimate. They just dont die. No matter what anybody says, SMA is the most resilient alliance I have ever seen. Ever.
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Even if they get a CFC boot. You'll still see SMA pop out of freakin' no where.
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Without commenting on the rest of this matter; you'd be wrong to feel sorry for Alisonia/loft or believe that he put the hours and hours of thankless work in he describes in his post into SMA. Before joining the top tier of alliance leadership (and promptly going walkabout with everything that wasn't tied down), Loft's sole responsibility was moderating the SMA forums, and more recently IT support. I-Hubs, POS's and other infrastructure were handled entirely by others. Loft's position as a director had nothing to do with his contribution to the alliance and was solely down to the fact that as an RL friend of the brothers he was trusted.I don't hold scamming or stealing against anyone and congratulations to him on the heist; but don't believe the battered wife defence employed here.
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There is a lot to be learned by leadership to prevent this sort of thing. At the end of the day, corp and alliance leaders are leaders because of the trust put in them by line members. No trust then no leadership. When that trust gets broken, people do something to bite back in some way. It is a strong willed person who is able to walk away and not try and bite back.If it was one incident, it could be explained away. Two incidents can be explained away. But in SMA we see a string of incidents. There is the coup d'etat attempted by Pukin. We have the drama with Alljump. Then Xiao Rui and now this. This is saying something very important. The trust of SMA council members in the brothers leadership is cracking. The brothers better take note of this and do something constructive to regain that trust.As a CFC line member looking in from the outside, it is hard to be more specific as to the problems. But the fact there is something wrong is beginning to become obvious. The 3 brothers may be able to salvage things. But they need to be aware that their relationship with their council, their appointed alliance officers, and line members is the biggest factor in maintaining good morale within the alliance.It is time for action. The finger is pointing straight at them.
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The things I learn!
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This coming from the guy who attempted to scam SMA by selling structures that weren't even yours. Not to mention it was quite obvious you never liked loft in the first place. He kinda ruined that whole OI. coo didn't he?
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I hope you realize you even mispelled Oxford. #WhatHasThisWorldComeTo?
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A video of items being dragged and dropped from hangars and numbers being typed into wallet transfer input boxes.As a true fan of internet spreadsheets, I can't wait.
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As a TNT (CFC) member it hurts to see our brothers robbed from so many stuff.SMA is one tuff alliance and i am sure they recover from this, we are CFC afterall, abit of isk is nothing major.What do make me sick in the stomach is the amount 1 guy can steal.....Its a major flaw in the Corp / Alliance design that stuff like this can be done by 1 person.Iam sure everyone love's a good heist story (me included) but come on....you have to put people in charge to get stuff done.Be it a real life buddy or a long term internet friend...yet with the push of a button you can collapse even the biggest entity's.There should be a voting system in place where multiple directors need to agree with before such amounts of stuff can be transfered to another place.a simple drag and drop with a Yes / No needed from leaders / directors to make to transfer valid.<3 SMA iam sure this wont hurt you alot :)
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It's all in a day's [or a year] work in EVE. It's just ISK and logistics. It's quite a lot of it, but if an alliance isn't able to step over something like this and move on, it wasn't much of an alliance in the first place.Massive asset theft? *shrug* Welcome to EVE.
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In fairness the second one was deliberate. The first cock-up was indeed due to both stupidity and illegitimacy.
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Darwin at work
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cant blame you if you was treated like shit take all you can its their loss.
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Only because you send 3 members out on Goon OPS to whore on the killmails.
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I was trying to predict the soundtrack. I was thinking Fly by Night (Rush) or maybe Dead or Alive (Bon Jovi).
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sma did not needed these assets anyway. Just discusting... they should have bought expensive bpo and loc,k them in a multiple share holders corp
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600b should be able to fund enough ops to get started. and am i missing an inside joke, or are people unaware of the word monotony?
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Please, hisec miner, share more of your insights on the optimal way for 0.0 alliances to manage their finances
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Do you know what generation X is
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Someone toss SMA a dime so they can limp on like cripples towards their next disaster.Seriously, when friends are the only thing keeping you alive...
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HAHAHAhe's right though.
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Kind've dumb to pull something life this and admit it if you know the guys in real life.
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You missed the joke by such a margin that you've rediscovered Jove space.Congratulations.
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Tech 3 Jovian Damage Control Unit discovered.
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Got any more tired old cliches?
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Holy shit that burn.
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yup he is lol
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coup
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i'd suggest What is Love by Haddaway
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-A- have done what they should have done 2 years ago: become an NPC space group.
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Alisonia > stripped roles from him. PL also leaked the coo on pastebinAlisonia > He had planned to come back from hi break regain his roles but as I said the coo was leaked by PL leadershipIn case yall are curious, Sort Dragon was the one that told CFC that. SO bad.
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There's more benefits from having a solid warchest than from spending your surplus on capitals for a select few. If Goonswarm did what this idiot thinks is optimal, Asakai would have bankrupted us.
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As someone who regularly finds out the in game valuations are off by about 20%-25% on sums over 5b, that theft is actually much less.
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I don't presume to know how alliances are actually run. However I have witnessed over & over again that the top inner circle tends to hoard away the iskies for themselves, simply because they can & grunts are none the wiser. That said, the goonswarm carrier subsidy program is an excelent example of wealth distribution.
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Yes, that's different - we supply fully fit carriers to members who can't afford them. We don't spend our entire surplus on that, however. A warchest is still essential for any alliance at risk of losing its income (i.e. we get into a war where we lose a shitload of tech and must be able to afford to fight to take it back, or CCP nerfs tech harder) or eating a massive loss (i.e. Asakai)The key is securing that warchest. Also, the line members aren't stupid - it's fairly obvious when "the top inner circle" is just taking isk for themselves. Alliances that operate that way don't tend to last long - they'll crumble fairly quickly under an invasion.
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I'm sorry, but playing a game with someone on the internet and speaking to them over the internet for two years is not deemed a real life friendship. My Brother only knew the brothers via in-game. In no way did they ever meet in real life. I mean come on, the brothers live in Oregon and we live in Arizona. Why would we ever want to go to Oregon? Yet again, another spin from SMA about how they're the mistreated ones.Some players on the outside are thinking loft's story is just a "woe is me fest" but in reality, he never asked for praise nor really cared for it. He became bored, and what two things do bored players do? 1. They continue to be bored and quit EVE. 2. They create their own in-game content(ie. fun) and do something unexpected.The entire heist was done out of boredom and a yearning for some dramatic change to happen whether it be corp wise or alliance wise.The entire alliance depended a lot on him, he saw that weakness and he took advantage of it. I was an officer of the alliance as well, the Officers did all the dirty work while the brothers complained about having control over the TeamSpeak3 Pins from their Ivory Tower. No really, ask them about it, they call their chambers the Ivory Tower/AFK Chamber so they can avoid dealing with their member base. This also goes with saying that of course it wasn't loft running the show, the hard working officers who get burnt out quite often are what keeps that alliance alive(ie. Winet(:P), Llama(<3), VK(<3), Syph(<3), Stonie(Yeah no, I was not going to take over your office responsibilities.)) The bureaucratic council were more concerned about tax rates and industry over the issue of being camped constantly by 401k.That goes without saying that the time me and my brother had in SMA were pretty awesome. We still like everyone hence why we didn't leak any intel or anything of personal property outside of game. But once again, it is just a game, and being a villain is encouraged in eve. Not to say I'm one. I just play the meta. :)
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TL;DR Alisonia didn't know them in RL.(Nice try SMA) + monologue of SMA problems and how I still love them.
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The video of the heist has now been added to the end of the article, enjoy guys :)
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If it still hasn't appeared:https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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I was with the (now defunct) nothern coalition, before joining CFC. Majesta empire had a heist similar to this, but a lot less, I can't recall the amount. Immediately after we were invaded by the DRF + PL. What would that reserve of isk done for an alliance in a situation like that? We lost sov & fail cascaded back to high sec. The overall sentiment from the grunts was, "well we lost sov & our will to fight, so whoever has the iskies is probably gonna take it & run" & thats what happened. If we had the will to fight I can see a war-chest being useful for ship reimbursement & a buffer against losing will. Seems a balance of distribution & war-chest is best.
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Get a Digi, problem solved.
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To be honest, who doesn't get bored with themonogamy of it all. Polygamy all the way baby!
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While I encourage them to remain monogamous I'm not sure I'm qualified to marry 'em.
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Actually they don't. It was a hoax to make users like you have more sympathy for SMA
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Or nothing will happen at all since they actually don't know him in real life, and it was a hoax.
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Congrats on your failure. I'm from Generation Y, not X.
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No, no, I'm pretty sure illegitimate is the right word. There was a reason for not using illiterate.
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Handy
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"The key is securing the warchest"I think that means "not putting hundreds of billions of isk in reach of every sperglord"
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Love the one you're with.
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River is so stupid i wonder why he did not die yet from forgetting to breathe. Period.
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Happened before will happen again, isk can be replaced, get your shit together SMA and move on
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How the fuck is 220+200=600+
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how is several hundred people "a select few"
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It's a select few when you have maybe 40b in surplus ISK every month
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Steal from SMA. Use their own ISK as a "security deposit" to remain in the alliance. Tell everyone that you're totally not like the others and they can trust you.
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Rofl, whilst I agree with everythign else in your post, the claim that that was River in the Kestral is inaccurate. SMA don't need 'propaganda' to make them look bad...
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And still not enough...
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K8B certainly didn't plan that. Delve, in Caracals, with no cap support, even just for logi, came direct to us from River, presumably because someone in Goons thought it would be funny...When leadership protested to River, and I mean ALL the leadership, Blutin included, River said "This is just supposed to be a fun deployment. Go have fun in Delve."
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He was not an RL friend at all, that was damage control, SMA style.
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And yet now Goons have a "free carriers for all program". Ouch.
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apparently you missed the joke

Today it was revealed that Alisonia, a high ranking logistics member of SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA), stole over 440 billion ISK of assets from the alliance over the period of a year. Some estimates put the haul at over 600 billion ISK. This culminated today in a final haul worth over 200 billion ISK. The haul included 1.5 million units of technetium, nearly half a million units of neodymium, 1500+ BPOs/BPCs, assorted cap ships, and 35 billion ISK from the alliance wallet. If these figures are correct, this would make it one of the largest thefts in EVE’s history.

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PICKING THE POCKET

The news first appeared when a pastebin was released by Alisonia explaining the theft and the reasons behind it:

Good Morning/ Good Evening .

You will more then likely find shortly that SMA has had a good chunk of its assets stolen as of this moment.

With that said I want to make one thing very clear, the website and the server have not been touched by me in anyway that would harm the server or the services running on the server. The server and sites are not part of the game and are someones REAL property not game property and I have done nothing to compromise or leak any personal information. I also did not go to NC., Nulli, PL or any one else to help or provide any server details logins or anything to anyone. I never EVER leaked one ounce of information to any alliances or entities at any point in my time with SMA. You can take that for what its worth however, again those items are not related to the game, therefore they do not fall under the free for all that is considered Eve Online and I would not harm (irl) personal property!!!

The game however, is a different story in fact this sort of thing is encouraged in Eve Online

The many many hours/days I spent moving ihubs, upgrades, 12 hours moving ice, towers and needless days spent on establishing SMA in branch and eve was real time spent setting up infrastructure. Many of you will attest the countless hours I spent on getting a new website up and all the other odds and ends I did time and time again. The was almost 2 years in the making and I spent many nights 10 -12 hours doing work for SMA and its member base.

You will also find no entity or Alliance/Coalition taking credit for this either. This was done alone single handed. In fact I had teased my brother about it but I dont think even he thought I would do it.

At some point I realize that my work meant nothing really and the work I had placed into the alliance/game had got me no where. Yeah, I was an alliance director(council) that was cool but I was spending needless hours on something that was pointing SMA into the direction of NOWHERE and along the way I was getting more bored with the monogamy of it all.

As of this moment in SMA it is a carebear alliance lead by a disorganized and afk leadership that can't name things let alone run an Alliance.

The corps are allowed to run basically around in circles till they do one of a couple things:

* Learn they can get away with about almost anything and carebear it up while the fresh blood and the older vested members keeping SMA looking good doing op grinds.

* Come in realize SMA is heading nowhere and leave (OBC, .D4RK, parts of K8B etc ...)

* Be listed as a tyrant and be basically pushed or kicked out (MPX, 0I)

These are a few of the many things I could list as to what went on.

Before the plan to take SMA for whatever I could came about, I worked as hard as I could to make everyone happy hoping in that the members would have fun and leadership would somehow change . The leadership MINUS a few officers (llama, Winet, Kujo,VK a couple more) and a couple council members are for the most part are an afk leadership. A leadership (council) that sits a far off trying to tell the officers who really run the alliance how to do things. All the while burning out and boring out ever one of them.

Anyway, a couple times I thought previous council members were going to get to the goods before I did, considering 5-6 members have left or been asked to leave. To name a few (FrFrmPukin,Sab,Cypher,Alljump,Xiao Rui and now me).

One did attempt to but failed due to mis-planning. (This is for You Baby!)

So after about a year and a half this idea came to me to steal as much in assets as I could. At first I only stole small amounts of assets to test the waters. Eventually leading to stealing Tech, capital ships and more. If I had to guess 200Bish since I started. I want to go through my logs and figure it maybe more. I mean why steal it in a bulk (one-time) when you can milk the cow . I eventually got bored of even this and decided as of last night to do what I had just joked about doing for a year.

Tonight I stole about 220B+ worth of assets, this on top of what I had already taken . The total comes to around 440B in assets.

Most of this was in tech that was being held by the alliance since OTEC forbids you selling it in large quantities. I also got a good bit of neo, BPO's and about 35B in actual isk. I could have more in assets however, I have yet to price researched BPOs and have yet to go through about 1500+ BPCs and BPOs. Ill try to get more official number at later time . I also took some video of the moving of the assets through the night and after I sift through about 40GB worth of video Ill upload it with a more official final number.

Ohh and sue me I cant spell and Im not a writer.

-loft

Hi, My name is Targie. I've done everything from High-sec wars, to Low sec Pirating; from Wormholes to 0.0 wars. I'm currently in TEST alliance, where I annoy my corp. mates with bad stories. Follow me on twitter . @TargieMcRed for article updates.