HBC/CFC Drama: Leadership Crisis Resolved

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Well that de-escalated quickly.
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So RvB is expanding to Null Sec?
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Remember people the only person at fault here is CCP for making sov grinding so absolutely shitty that nobody wants to do it anymore. From what I understand that's literally the only thing stopping the most unimaginably enormous war ever.
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Shadoo has taken the BK crown from Montolio, and will suck all of the fun he can out of TEST, in order to stay fat and rich. Fuck him and his goofy-ass Warsong Gulch-in-space plan.
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Wrong. Shadoo is "literally the only thing stopping the most unimaginably enormous war ever."
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I don't understand why there is such a massive amount of effort into keeping peace in a game designed for combat?
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seems that way.
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which makes me sadface everywhere.
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Smart Move . It would ruin both CFC and HBC as this would have ended in a neverending structure grind.
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That's alot of words to say "I'm too scared."
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because ccp ruined that combat. at least for the nullsec people
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Because 0.0 mechanics are such a shitshow that the only way to get fights is by grinding structures, which inevitably escalates to all out territorial conquest, which is about as much fun for all parties as gouging out your own eyes with a spoon.
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Holy fuck that chatlog. It's such a contrast to the sullen and broken sounding Elo after hours of scooter's incredible propaganda vomit during the hellcamp. I vastly prefer the sullen-broken one.
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The fuck is a warsong gulch?
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Jabberlon 5 is probably the best example of not letting the special kid have a day alone without parental supervision.
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...because sov mechanics are so shitty.
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It's not combat we don't want, it's endless structure grinds, hours sitting on Titans, week long system camps and the logistical nightmare that is SOV war.Most of the people that want this in TEST haven't been in EVE long enough to know what a full scale sov war is, some even think the "hand over of sov" that happened with -A- was the game at it's worst. They just have no grasp of how unfun a sov war is against an enemy that actually cares about their sov.
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I must give props to themittani.com on how quickly the updates about this internal drama were publicized. These sort of things are usually heard through either your alliance announcements or your shady circle of friends feeding you half ass'd info. Thanks for making my daily dose of coalition drama streamlined into a simple article.
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NO TEST!!! Kill the Non-believers!!!
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I am sorry but its hilarious how mentally retarded the average test scrub is.Not speak of Test Friends.
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There you go, shoot each out but not the tech. What an awesome conflict driver it isn't any more.
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Technetium moons may be a valuable in-game resource, but the metagame only hungers for one substance: Drama.
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Or is it because of undisturbed RMT? lol so naive.
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ugh your posting.
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A gulch for warsongs?
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So yeah, Grath took Wicked Princess to the ownzone and back in those chatlogs.
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hey since you and the other unaffiliated observers have indisputable proof of RMT, perhaps you should report it to CCP?
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jesus christ, is elo a 12yo with ADHD? that log was godawful
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Why do I suddenly have this strange feeling Shadoo just effectively took command of the HBC?
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I think it has something to do with kpop
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No surprise Monty would puss out...
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No, because PL wants to keep its tech moons safe and snug.
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So I read that Pastebin. WHY DID YOU CUT IT OFF WHEN GARTH CAME IN! that was starting to get good!"(11:07:06 PM) grath_telkin: she wants to flap her fucking fat unused dicksuckers at somebody im fucking here now"I wanna see how this ends!
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This is a lot of assumption rolled into one post. Neither side truly wanted a sov-war except for a handful of celebrity mouth pieces and their sycophants.You say 1000 drakes and 500 supercaps , okay fine, say they did get these imaginary numbers in the first battle.... over one pos...... which requires being hit twice..... out of literally hundreds... over three regions... against the worst / best defensive alliance / coalition in the game because of their use of completely unfun tactics for an attacker, how many people do you think will log in after god knows how long of structure grind already going into a full-scale war half-hearted?Not to mention stations... Oh god.
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Are you serious?
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Without a cadre of polarising figures at the top ala Molle, DBP et al. it would almost be like fat twin brothers fighting, It's almost funny to start with, but after a while you forget which is which and you feel bad for still sitting there watching.
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You're an idiot.
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Citation needed.
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Blame Shadoo
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(9:12:32 PM) Vince Draken: mate
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please fault my logic
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All out sov warfare isn't the only kind of combat in Eve. It should be rare. It should be special. It shouldn't happen when you expect it or when all the usual "pundits" say it's supposed to. There's nothing wrong with a stable period, regarding sov, affording other kinds of conflict in the game until the next great war climbs up from the depths when everyone least expects it. That is a superior narrative to take part in.
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Good for TEST. Bad for Eve.I'm so new I haven't actually taken part in one, but is the supposed ultimate endgame of Eve really so fucking shitty and boring that literally no one wants to play this game any more?No, hotdropping random gangs and derping around doing meaningless shit isn't 'playing Eve'. That's World of Tanks in space. Is this game dead?
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Is it just me that thinks that the HBC has the wrong alliance in charge. If PL were in charge the CFC would have been reset a long time ago, and everyone would have fun roaming and killing eachother, whilst adheering to a NIP and the OTEC agreement.. They also bring all the good FC's to big HBC fights, and were it not for shadoo sorting this mess out, this would have got really ugly, and very boring. TEST have the most heads, that's it, it's time for them to reshuffle and let someone that isn't still breastfeeding take over, or just let PL lead the HBC.
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Mongolio is trying to act tough it's hilarious.
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Was he always going away? Because creating a bloc war and then fucking off for a week seems like the perfect timing we've come to expect from that shitheel.
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As opposed to HBC vs. CFC, I propose HBC + CFC vs. CCP.What is it going to take to get these fucks to just try something different?
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Implying there was any logic involved
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Shadoo is an awful cook, no one is going to ask him to cook dinner.
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so mittens, how many tech moons did it cost you to buy shadoo out?
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Oh noes. I would have loved to see this, watching stuff explode from lowsec :D
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I think I wasn't on EVE when the last real sov war erupted (likely DRF vs NC). Pretty much every war since then have been resolved with either one alliance rolling over and dying or just dropping its sovs and going somewhere else. For the same reason : it's as unfun from a defender point of view, I suppose.
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So Montolio had backed off..."Shadoo has promised to give me what I want without the nastyness of sov grinds."He backed off because someone gave him what he wanted. Looks like his policy of escalating until someone gives in continues!War between the CFC/HBC is inevitable while Montolio is in charge. Crisis has indeed been averted for now, and I give it less than a month before the next one arises.
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None, because Shadoo knows that PL would be taking the brunt of any sov grinding.
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I am with this. Fuck a war till CCP says they'll address sov mechanics.
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WoW's capture the flag battleground.
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I don't know why you call it a leadership crisis. People wants that war.
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Imagine the resistance wallpapers put up over like two systems, but over 7 fucking regions. Oh, and these guys have the numbers and firepower hotdrop the fuck out of you unless you have two full fleets either in system or sitting on a titan. Fuck that.
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I think it's time for a coup in Test. Montolio needs to be promoted to "Executive Chairman Emeritius" and be given a comfy office in a large station with a pretty view.
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Shadoo and his incredible experience about giving birth and the very obvious analogy with EVE Online, an internet spaceship game. Get the fuck out.
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The game is designed for a lot of things. Combat is one of them. Metagaming is another.This war was averted (for now) because the power brokers on both sides behaved rationally, i.e.: in their own best interests. I don't understand why anyone would expect them to do otherwise.
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They didn't want that station anyway Xolve don't you see.
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All of this could have been stopped if you actually took responsibility for you and your shitty alliances mistakes like shooting first and collapsing BDEAL. Step down you are a grade A shitlord Zagdul
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You have a purdy mouth.
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I did take responsibility for shooting first. In fact, I apologized for it.BDEAL Collapsing, I'm afraid I don't claim responsible for. I'm not that competent.
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Um have you actually paid attention to what happened here? It was PL who put the kibosh on Montolio's desire to duke it out. They know what it's like to fight us and they know the CFC isn't a hollow force that will collapse with the first welp. We're rich. we're ruthless and we get our kicks from absolutely crushing our foes will to fight, and unlike the bulk of the non-Test HBC members we've got a history of sticking together to the bitter end. Fun fights and friendly rivalry is one thing, massive fucking SOV grinds something entirely different. So we're going to get a big assed nullsec version of RVB fun fights all around but god show mercy on anyone who sticks their nose in and makes us go purple because we sure as hell wont.
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"You forced us to change our plans, you're tactics were so ineffective" Maybe if you weren't all a bunch of backstabbing narcissists you'd have friends you could call in to help you break the camp rather than just taking "a vacation".
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Goonswarm claims they bring new content but the moment they have to worry about their tec its all hugs and ponies. They are worse then the carebears they claim ruin eve. Goonswarm Alliance, worst Alliance.
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Well you know they can't figure out how to beat us so they were hoping we'd beat ourselves.
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We don't need to 'find a way,' he's tried to quit four times in the last six months.
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Whine mixer... heh
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Wait Mittens lives in WI?
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Shadoo has just become the Neville Chamberlain of Eve.enjoy the greater goon co-prosperity sphere while it lasts :-P
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Montolio is more or lees the 2nd Hitler with his 2 front war
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Anything to keep zee tech moons safe...
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There isn't a leadership crisis. Monti just took a poll of who will support him in his actions and the yes + checkbox won by a landslide. TEST still stands behind Monti and he'll be coming back after his trip.
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Look how quickly the sheep bought the "we don't want war because sov mechanics" BS. Not sure when sov became such a sticking point before, but jebus it is a piss poor excuse.
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I don't know, there were 4 breakout attempts that got dunked.
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Says the bitchmade cowards who moved to lowsec.
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The sheer irony, right?
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There's no significant alliances that could stick their nose in so it'll be 0.0 RvB and not much else other than the occasional t1 cruiser gang or pizza bombing run, so I'm really not sure who you're supposed to be threatening.
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The argument is not that 'sov grind is fun', it's that you should break up the blob that covers far more than 50% of null sec, and have a real war for once - a huge and interesting war with an uncertain outcome.... not the usual 'how many alliances should we throw into region x to win'!
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Too Big To Fight.
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Just proves how much of bitches PL really is these days. A bunch of spoiled stuck up babies that are afraid of fighting a war with real consequences for them (tech moons) and a war they might actually lose. But lol at test being PL pets now.
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Your retarded. Are you saying the mechanics these days were worse than they used to be? I'm sorry. Did every retard in eve already forget the fact that alliances used to have to spam 50+ pos's in EVERY SYSTEM just to take a single system. The days on end of 30+ pos timers coming out? of having to hell camp every contested system just to protect your pos's? That it used to take 3x as long to setup pos's and pos mods to do this. People that cry about sov mechanics are just pussies too afraid to actually lose a war.
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From the sound of how depressed PL is about this game. It would almost seem like -A- won in the long run against PL lol.
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ITT: Rubberneckers and people who have never dealt with sov mechanics a day in their lives howling because they got blue-balled
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They probably would have. Except that Sov grinding is the biggest pile of dog shit to ever come out of an Icelandic Sheepdog's gaping asshole.So, instead of chowing down on a giant steaming plate of home cooked dog shit, they decided to see if they can just skip it and order takeout.
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so rather than getting hellcamped into a station, you got hellcamped straight the fuck out of eve? ...very well.
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Big words from someone who wouldn't be shooting structures if a war happened.
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Ponies of any kind arn't welcome in the CFC.
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So you're going to go invade the russians now? They've had their space longer than the CFC and HBC has had theirs.
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Such pussy faggots not wanting to go to way against eachother because of their precious tech
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Hey now, i'm "elite PvP want no sov" and i'm not dogpiling.I, for one, recognize that any CFC-HBC war would quickly deteriorate into :500 maels: vs. Smugpers: BC3 - more BC3, BS - more BS, Carriers - more BS / Carriers - Supers can't be volleyed wololol.The amusement here is all the past talk about irrelevance and space-bushido while it's now pretty evident that even the block-scale suffer from irrelevance and bushido.At least you will experience it if this soft-reset turns into a thunderdome of pointless explosions.It's essentially the same as everywhere else, on slower churning cogs (but better porn).
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When you get 50% of space and most of the tech moons, you naturally declare that sov grinding is a shit, let's nobody do it again
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why did you c&p my test forum post
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If Sov warfare becomes less of a pain in the arse, expect them to start shooting each other on a grand scale.
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great job moderators you deleted all comments about Mittani and other shit about "Mongolio"delete this comment pls retarded
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The space they hold is so shitty no-one wants it.
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Shadoo want no-risk wars - grunts shooting each other, thousand of killmails on both sides - but the tech must flow
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It's because of technetium. Technetium is a goldmine that gives you so much isk for hardly any effort, and of course everyone wants to keep holding it. It fuels your endless fleets and makes you invincible compared to the have-nots. So why would you go to war and risk it ? This is why there aren't an big conflicts anymore in eve. People are afraid to lose their goldmines !
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OMG people are lazy bitches. Do you people not remember having to spam 50+ pos's in systems just to take them? and pos's took 3x longer to setup than they do now. And having 25+ pos timers a day. And having to fully hell camp EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM you wanted to take just to make sure they didn't incap any of your own pos's? Its 1000x better than it used to be. But people will always cry and use that as an excuse rather than admit they are afraid of possibly losing.
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There is no valid reason for Zag to step down. We are rich biatch.
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"a log from jabberlon5"aka elo trolling you
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ahahaha CFC and HBC member are the slave of RMT bossMittani and Shadoo bought 2 house with RMT project
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shut the fuck up
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we working and playing in the same time.PROBLEM? :trollface:

Readers of this site will be well-acquainted with our coverage of the recent conflict between the HBC and the CFC; you can chart unfolding of the drama in chronological order: 

In the aftermath of the GSF CEO Update, it appeared that there was an inevitable onrush towards war. Representatives from PL and GSF (Shadoo, The Mittani, Mister Vee and Endie) conferred and settled upon a proposal involving a 'soft reset' instead of launching a bloc war. Shadoo posted his views on the conflict on the TEST forums: 

 

I'm going to keep this short, without the usual flurry of words and use an analogy I just used when talking about this with Walter Stine.

To me, Block on Block SOV wars are like women giving birth. You go through so much effort and shit that you swear to yourself and your partner in the thick of it all that you will NEVER do this again under any circumstances. Yet, 12 months after you're living on a high with a darling that can never do anything wrong, since they've stopped keeping you wake 21 hours of the day and have now settled to a routine and started to giggle. So you forget all the SHIT you had to go through, build this romantic picture of how rosy and great the whole thing was until you've convinced yourself you want another.

Queue 9 months on, and you're now faced with reality head on. And that shit isn't any prettier the second time around. In fact it's worse, because you KNOW when the worst part is still ahead of you and you know there's nothing you can do to avoid it.

This is the situation we find ourselves today. I think some of you are still living in a post-birth haze and have forgotten that the Block on Block war vs. the Southern Coalition WASN'T fun. And it WASN'T pretty. And it WASN'T exciting. It was shit. And the shit is still keeping you awake at night, occasionally demanding attention. Sure it's been named now DnD or whatever fuck they are -- but it's still same shit. And if you can get a moment of clarity to let yourself realize this, let me put this picture in your head too:

And if block wars are like giving birth to babies, then the SoCo war was a sleek little cute baby girl that kinda just slipped out of the uterus. Let there be no mistake -- the CFC war is a fucking turkey of a boy. It will RIP SHIT UP on the way out and sex just won't be the same afterwards. So here's a book on planned pregnancy, I'd urge you to read it and reconsider for a moment.

Or in EVE terms -- just realize that it's not possible to keep standings to an entity within a block, when the rest of your block does not share those standings. It's not worth it, I would argue it's not even possible. So just let it go. Reset the standings and have your fun. Kill the boat when he brings his fleet down to range and murder Vee when his sorry bunch of EGs comes around in their gimmick little frigs. But my god people, we JUST wrapped up the last war. Don't be in a hurry to start another one.

Embrace the chill and just shoot ships, not structures. That's my modest proposal v0v.

Oh, and since you all love logs so much -- here's a log from jabberlon5 when Elo Knight learned the EPIC WAR might not be starting after all: http://pastebin.com/b2zCpbwq

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tl;dr: reset standings, shoot people, use condoms.

And if you're OK with that -- I have something little planned in a few months that'll cause 10-20k characters to converge in a single region to shoot spaceships in up to 1500 vs. 1500 style. Daily.

After this, something extremely unusual took place: what appears to be a public scuffle between Montolio, the leader of TEST, and Shadoo through the medium of broadcasts to the entire HBC.  

To clarify Shadoo's recent post - his opinion is that a reset and a relative peace is the best option.

I do not share these views. His post is not an announcement of new policy, just advice. Hawk and dove~

#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 00:04:37 EVE Time ####

Followed shortly by the following: 

(12:22:29 AM) montolio@pleaseignore.com/home: The HBC wants a war 

(7:24:13 PM) shadoo@pandemic.pleaseignore.com/39000937701358832154851473: this is not true

 Spam your fucking channels with what you want. Command, general, zulu - wherever the fuck you are. 

 WAR or PEACE

#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 00:24:56 EVE Time ####

The ensuing chaos proved that the HBC line members had mixed opinions about the wisdom of contradicting Shadoo and going to full-scale war. 

Montolio then broadcasted the following: 

I concede. 

Shadoo has talked me off of the ledge, I have released the hostage and dropped my knife. After discussing this with other HBC leaders a reset and expanded NIP / OTEC agreement is the best path forward. It isn't what I want, but it is what you want. I want war. I want gigantic fucking battles. I want to crash nodes because people are so fucking interested in this shitty game.

Shadoo has promised to give me what I want without the nastyness of sov grinds. 

#### SENT BY Montolio to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 00:55:11 EVE Time ####

He then apparently went on holiday for a week:

Montolio's taking a few days off because he's going to the motherfuckin Catalina Whine Mixer.

Fras Siabi is in charge for probably like a week.

See

https://forum.pleaseignore.com/topic/26875-montolios-afk-for-a-week/

And

http://youtu.be/fs0uLXodDVA

(POW)

#### SENT BY BoodaBooda to All online hbc @ 2013-01-23 02:35:31 EVE Time ####

Fras Siabi has begun reaching out to allies, introducing himself and making leadership changes within TEST; tensions between the CFC and HBC seem to have dissipated substantially. 

 

Goonswarm Federation CEO, Space Tyrant. Likes yoga, Alaskan Malamutes, bacon, and delegation.