GSF CEO Update: Victory in Fountain

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Had so much fun during this campaign! Too many memorable moments, but Suas singing Little Bees during a lengthy wait on a taxi, the many fleets with Lyris Nairn FC'ing us while we did god's work, our resident good luck charm Ahnuld (Othal I love you) and Mittani coming into comms regularly to explain what the hell was happening all stand out. Thanks to all the fantastic FC's, logiduders and GSOL, taxi pilots and everyone else. If grinding sov is as much fun as this campaign has been so far, then sign me up for the next one.
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Time to kick up our dirty cowboy boots on the ol' TEST Fountain couch. Nice & Comfy...
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You really don't have to try and lie to make the situation look worse than it is (because it looks bad already, is it though?). TRIBE is not going anywhere you idiot.
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Need pirate detection arrays in the iHubs to rat here...
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Can't wait to see dread blobs against Supercapital blobs.300 dreads = same dps as a DD going off every second. That's more than enough damage to pop a Titan every 7 seconds.300 dreads = 10 Titans in terms of costPL will shat their pants
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You also have the goons right where you want them. Also, isolated from their fairweather friends.
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nah you're right this is a good situation
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Test Alliance Now Ignored
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I'd rather see both Goons and TEST burn in hell but...Someone please finish TEST off. It'll be an act of mercy.
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this is all assuming the dreads can be dropped in range of the supers. Things like that aren't always so straight forward.
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Welcome to everyday in black legion., except with 60 dread alts and 1 canadian space cowboy.
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Time is running out for Elite alliances like NC. & PLOnce CFC obtain the capability to regularly field over 300 dreads on a given battle, the elites will lose their supercap air supremacy. Which means CFC can freely use their supers' abilities like remote ECM burst to influence subcap battles. That in turn means N3/PL will get steamrolled should a war break out.All CFC has to do is to field DD resistant dreads (1 DD won't pop it) with replacements easily avaliable. In addition to having a bomber or a SB bs wing to neutralize fighter bombers.A lot of people don't relize it, but CFC + BL is very close to being able to conquer all of 0.0Right now, time is on their side.
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Yes. Because CFC really wants to conquer all of 0.0. GSOL and Padded Helmets would be shedding tears of blood.
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Delve is afraid of us. We have seen its true face. The gates are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the gates finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and pubbies will look up and shout "Save us!"... and we'll whisper "no."
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We can't do this already?
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Right where they want us
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Nothing beats killing ratting testies, they are to dumb to align their delicous loot pinatas.Black ops will kill the rest of Test income.Test is dead or they need to forge a new alliance, but we all know that the best testies already jumped ship and all that remains in test is a pile of shit.They are better of moving to low sec before the whole alliance collapse underneath them.training dreadnaught for future raping as we speak :) !!!!
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Trying to conquer all of 0.0 would be not only foolish, but pointless: you would inevitably falter and cascade.
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In the case that you haven't realized, BoB also was supposedly 'unbeatable' in 2006, and the exact same comment was spammed in the forums. A few years later? BoB, Kenzoku, IT Alliance, all disgraced and absolutely trashed. Therefore, your idea of fully conquering 0.0 is completely incorrect.
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You guys still waiting for evac vfk ?
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congrats on a war well fought on all fronts (meta and ingame). but the notion of the CFC being able to field so many dreads is a scary one , not only for their enemies but for the whole state of the game as well. don´t get me wrong: if the other forces are not able to unite and stand against them they deserve to fall. but it also means that basically everything that happens in 0.0 (and in highsec as well as it is interdependent), so basically everything that is going to happen only happens if the FCF lets it happen, or makes it happen.one super power who can clearly dominate every aspect of a sandbox game. sad but true.also: conquering more regions and uniting it all under one banner might be foolish if done too fast, but the CFC also has shown again and again that more space for them means not failscading like for others, but more power and more ISK and more domination. with these systems of administration, logistics and intelligence in place, upscaling is the least of their problems. at least it doesnt seem likely....also, I dont think it should be the game designers and CCP´s job to do anything against these kinds of development. if the rest of new eden cannot do anything, then the rest is to blame.
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Apparently one of the internet laws concerning sarcasm applies here. You can read the big cheese himself say it. CFC doesnt want to conquer all of nullsec, only enough to pay for our social programs and for DBRB to welp supercap fleets.Afterall, who would we have these awesome wars with if we took over all of nullsec?
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Delve is cursed. Would not invade.
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i think it doesn't matter anyways. PL/NCdot and their pets will not drop any supers in a battle. they are good at hotdropping the shit out of single targets, thats it. in any strategic war they lack if they can't outblob the enemy side like they do against solar and rogue.
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New BoB when?
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Right where we want you.
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"the CFC could not win against a foe who outnumbered them"TIL we outnumbered the CFC.
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^ That, but with less DBRB welps plz.
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Too bad that DPS drops off significantly at 100km, while supers can still apply full damage.Also you're assuming that all dread pilots have L5 capital skills lol
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It already happened, you didn't notice?
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Eh, having spent a few months cloaked in D3 and murdering anything that came through the gate, test don't really fly a lot of expensive shit. Occasionally you'll get a gevlon type slowboating an idiot-fit T3 through, but thats about it.
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"There are no goons" - Sir Molle
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Source on quote? When? Why? etc.?
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Everyone in CFC knew this was an easy war, a few hours structure grinding while TEST run around spamming local and trying to make propaganda. It was like taking candy from a baby, even with n3 and PL trying to wade in to change the battles. N3, PL, TEST you had better be very afraid because we aren't.
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Someone forgot which alliance was the one that took out those BOB iterations.
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Tribe is, at best, a speedbump in the road to progress.
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it must be cool to be able to hide behind this wall of blues, these massive blobs and having the security, that no matter how inapt you and possible every single pilot next to you is, it doesnt really matter as you have several other pilots and maxed out fleets just waiting to get shitpiled onto the enemy. yeah, it sure is cool to be goon these days. too bad the quality of some pilots and FC´s in the CFC gets watered down by so many shmucks
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I love this utterly retarded sentiment: PL, an alliance of 2168 people, is so focused on AT, where a grand total of twelve (12) people from PL play, that they can't come to the aid of their 'friends'.I think you may have to accept that PL may have left TEST swinging in the lurch to go do other things aside from babysit them with their supers.
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Think it was during the DRF victory over the old NC
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That wasn't PL going balls deep into the CFC. That was PL batphoning everyone else in EVE to counterdrop onto a single titan - and the massively increasing TiDi giving them the time to do it. Do you really think that PL would've done that if there'd been a full-sized dread fleet in position to jump to Boat?
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I believe you have mistaken 'West' for 'East'.
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So what part of breaking that foe up into manageable-sized chunks isn't winning? It's called 'defeat in detail', or 'divide and conquer'.Or are you defining 'winning' down to 'they had more people in this specific fight'? Because if so... well, there's the Lazamo. If the enemy's goal is 'kill you' and your goal is 'don't get killed', then surviving until reinforcements arrive would qualify as 'winning', no?
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Not hurfing and blurfing you fast enough?
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He must be in TEST. Upside down maps are quite the rage there.
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The Fountain Campaign was literally BL getting paid to go to Candyland. They would camp our staging systems, show up on stratops to get Test capital killmails, and then as soon as the fight ended warp right to the out gate and pick off our dumbass stragglers trying to solo burn home in Megathrons. I cannot imagine how having someone give you money to do this is anything but an amazing deal unless your idea of fun is shooting SMA towers.The entire roleplaying argument is a joke as well. This isn't some CVA bullshit; they literally used their ability to fight as a source of income.
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I think even now people are avoiding GSOL dudes at goonmeets out of fear that they may snap.
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Considering TEST had 100% total control over the timers in this war,if they were blueballed it's because they did it to themselves.
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Meanwhile, 7 full subcap fleets are killing fighter bombers.Where's your 30 billion worth of DPS now?
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Love or hate them, you have to admit BL has balls made of cast iron with the stunts they pull with Dread blobs.
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There you go again, shattering our dreams of building an actual, real, blue donut.
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Ok training pheonix now
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You've gone from being the alliance that BOB denied being relevant to becoming the new BOB.Such is the circle of life...
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Where's that paraphrase from? It sounds familiar, but I can't remember where its from...
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What is the story with the phoenix hate?Against not moving targets and other capitals they have the BEST damage application.Even bether then the moros!
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Let's face it, there just isn't enough blue coffee to dunk it in.
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I'd pair the Lazamo up w/Z9PP's demonstration of 'screw your cap superiority, we'll just keep pouring megathrons into the system' as the one-two punch, yeah. Z9PP set the board, the Lazamo broke it with its forehead.
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Yeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :D Good Team Work !!! Grats GSF/CFC ALL !!!!
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300 Dreads can't move for 5 mins with effective damage range of <50km with only local reps while not being able to hit smaller ships that well. Long range BS with micro jump drives to avoid bombers could do some damage although would have to be a sizeable fleet to kill an effective number of caps at long range. There is always a counter but blobbing always has sucked in Eve because of lag and Tidi.
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Can't blap subcaps with them.
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They can't hit subcaps. They can barely hit POS mods. In short, they're utterly uselss versus subcapitals and really crappy against anything that isn't an SBU, IHUB, TCU, or POS.
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In EVE, I'd say 90% of the battle is fought before ships take the field. Being better at strategy is being better at sov warfare.That said, form-up time is a killer. If it's taking your fleet 2 hours to deploy, that's going to kill your morale and your engagement far faster than telling people an hour in 'they're gonna blue-ball us, go play Tanks while we wait...'At the same time, having FCs who can keep the fleet entertaining itself while you sit there and wait? Invaluable. Positive experiences reinforce engagement. Even a defeat can be a positive experience - the original battle at the J5A/B-D gate the first weekend of the war was a strategic defeat for us, but most of the pilots I know came away from it with a positive experience. Sort of a combination of 'TEST bombed PL... hah.' and 'oh yeah, it's on, now...'Making things a positive experience is the role of leadership - be it the guy in the logi channel cheering the fleet's logistics pilots for saving that one last armageddon, or the big cheese coming in to chat with the fleet while you're sitting on a titan.The reverse of that - negative experiences kill engagement and morale - is baked into the CFC's warfare model: Let them have no fun. We thrive on the grind in part because that's the point: to be the bastards suppressing the other guy's fleet numbers by wearing them down. And that's made possible by the positive experiences, as above.
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Remember the Lazamo!
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Watchmen.
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At the start of the war, you outnumbered us because Razor hadn't deployed and your allies hadn't abandoned you yet.
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In nullsec? Maybe, if they could get 250 titans online and ready to DD all of the dreads off of the field. But not in lowsec, no. And yeah, what do you expect, everyone just to sit by idly and ignore the dying CFC capitals? Of course NCdot would pile in, PL and NCdot are old allies. Of course the HBC came in, PL was a part of the HBC at the time
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Oh, I expected nothing less. And despite losing, it was a fun fight.And remember, if you can log 250 titans in, someone, somewhere, is aware you can log 250 titans in. Which means you're probably looking at 500 HICs and, well, seven full fleets of megathrons, just waiting to enjoy those titan tears.
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Riiiight, saw that in the trailer.+1
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Aaah, Rorschach. Such a lovely sociopathic champion of society.
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And that's when you jump in a full superfleet plus a full slowcat fleet and literally tank them until downtime. Worked in the last alliance tournament, anyways, with that tinker tengu setup for PL.
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THE NEW BOB THE NEW BOB THE NEW BOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOB
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Question is how will CFC fall? Bob was taken apart by a single disgruntled director who booted all the corps, but the CFC is a group of about 10 alliances, so it would take either 10 coordinating spies or something yet unseen.At this point destroying them militarily seems unlikely, unless the carebears of highsec manage to pull off a VFK headshot (I'll eat my socks if they manage that) and even that owuldn't stick since they would just take it back.
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you have a risk when you fight in a system where you can use bubbles, doomsday and ECM burst. Asaki was a limited risk escalation. if things would have run bad, what do you expect would have happend ?it's not showing balls, it's risk management.
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And which side do you think is going to feel better about that? The dirty blobber 'we're bad at eve' guys who committed dreadnoughts and subcapitals, or the guys with the reputation for elite PVP whose most expensive assets got tied up?
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The only way PL goes to war is by inviting themselves to conflicts that they had no reason to be in other than to whore on the winning side. And if they realize that they bet on the wrong horse then they will quietly sneak out the the back door before they can be counted among the losers, claiming a lack of "good fights".
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Well, considering by that time you'd have 250 dead dreadnaughts, I'd say the "elite PvP" side.
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Were you a logi? You've got to watch list your own drones man. How else you gonna whore?
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Well, bombs are insta-death for them really, and with as much lag as there was there were no return commands going through.
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Some pretty impressive mental gymnastics you're doing there.Outnumbered by the enemy, we somehow break the morale of a large portion of the enemy force causing them to leave the battlefield, we then curb stomp the remaining forces.Sounds like we won against a foe that outnumbered us. Doesn't matter how we won, only that we did in fact win.
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Lol CFC fought outnumbered against TEST? Maybe counting isn't in the job description of alliance leaders, but CFC outnumber TEST at least 2:1. CFC with over 30k members, and TEST+TRIBE with less than 15k. Also TEST is a much newer alliance, and it needed goons to push all their politics and hire every mercenary in EVE to push them out of fountain.
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Wait till you discover about our secret T2 BPO cache!
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I think that 2 hour formup thing is the problem right there. A lot of the time with CFC fleets, if I hadn't logged in within 10 minutes of a mittani hurf-cast , the fleet was full and already sitting on the titan ready to jetpack onto the field and I'd have to spin ships and hope another overflow fleet was being formed. If you can't do urgent fleets in 10 mins and not-as-urgent fleets in 20, you've missed the window of opportunity and spies have already reckoned your capabilities. I'm assuming you guys use a similar method to CFC's directorbot setup on jabber. The question is, why isn't it working.I'd investigate that, myself.
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Lul.GSF has so much isk they could BUY most of the T2 BPOs in EVE if they wanted to.Luckily there is invention so they wouldn't get a monopoly like BOB did back in the day.
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ok
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The hell does that mean? YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH US, ANDSKI? Sorry, the ihubs are talking to me again...... station configs... hapl
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Speaking of, it would be interesting to see some interviews with logi people (from all sides) to see what kind of craz^^^^ I mean wonderful person it takes to fly logistics when everyone else is having fun shooting stuff.
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...I don't think N3's morale had anything to do with their departure from Fountain. First they had to go fix up their sov, then they had to go stomp SOLAR. The CFC may or may not have been responsible for either of those things, but in any case N3 was metagamed out of the Fountain war, not fought out.
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I think you both are confusing left from right.
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The way to go for elite isn't being good on one ship. This shit is good for AT or solo bragging, but power lies in multiboxing. If every PL fleet member had 3 subcaps, they would be a ton more scary, even if they were flying those more simply.
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They do not exist anymore if I remember correctly. Something about not paying the bills....
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It's a matter of perspective; is fun or "winning" more important to you? "Wall of blues" is good for winning, not so much for fun.There was an article on here very recently that talked about planned fights in w-space. Same mentality comparison applies.
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Yeah. It's pretty sweet to have friends in this game.
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Its because they can't fucking figure it out. I think somewhere along the line members decided that it's taking Test leadership to long to figure shit out. So the line members started taking their time logging in. So you have a two fold problem spiraling out of control. As you wait for people to get in fleet, the people that used to show up on time will now show up late. I don't want to sit in a fucking pos for an hour...so why show up on time.Also they're too hush hush about everything. No one ever knew what was going on until 3 hours have passed and we stand down. But we had to be quite on coms, so now I am spending my hard earned money and free time sitting quietly staring at a screen. As a bunch of hush hush retards are talking among themselves in command.TEST is the first big alliance I have ever joined and it has been pretty fucking fail. Its all retards and trolls. They don't deserve to hold sov and I am looking for a new home.
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Stop being butt hurt. Our leaders failed us. PL won't save us, they will just take more of our decent players and so will NC.The line members that are sill in TEST are mostly retarded trolls that will drive out any talented players. Can't you see that is the only reason why PL and NC have any sort of relationship with TEST is because its a big recruitment pool for them.TEST; its over the retards have won. Just let them move to Poitot already. I swear if i hear another motherfucker talk about that fucking place in fleet I am going to destroy something beautiful.Yesterday during an engagement the morons where posting the broken KM in fleet chat while we where jumping through gates in an attempt to split enemy aggression. There is the intelligence of the TEST line member right there. Crashing the PC of people in their own fleet when we needed them the most cuz we where already outnumbered.Also TEST can't even get their shit together enough to reinforce a small Pizza tower. Yesterday we literally stood down to a 60 man pizza Oracle fleet. Apparently any ships that our foes use against us become indestructible. Gee I wonder why. Fucking FAIL TEST.Goons just put these clowns out of their misery. Send them to fucking Poitot where they belong.
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Yes because only 12 people worked on the alliance tournement. The team itself was 40 pilots. That doesn't even count all the people theorycrafting, practicing, and logistics. so to be fair it was probably about 150 people that were directly involved with the AT if not more.
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Because TEST was fighting entirely on their own.
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How is people getting paid as mercenaries NOT good for the game? This is insanely good for the "do anything you want" marketing for EVE Online because it is an example of players making their own rules to match their own playstyle (in this case, being guns for hire).
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Doesn't that just make the narrative of one dominant galactic empire all the more engaging though?
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Sucks to hear that man. GSF is probably a far more "serious" alliance in terms of how much un-fun stuff is involved making it work, but the leadership is accutely aware that the membership has no obligation to be there and thus need to have fun. Granted some of the hot-drop/kcolor stuff tends to be quiet on comms/alt-tab kinda stuff, but those doing that are usually seasoned players who are happy to just alt-tab out and wait for it. The main fleet would revolt if asked to sit there quietly for 3 hours doing nothing, and thats why our FCs go out of the way to keep us entertained. That and proper preparation by FCs.
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TEST Lost when they didn't align at Z9PP. The rest was an eventuality.
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So what are you doing against the 700 megathrons on field as well as the 300 dreads?

(Editor's Note: Alliance Updates are aimed at internal audiences and usually are considered the gospel truth by their membership but vile propaganda by everybody else. You should definitely know this by now. This is a GSF CEO Update from The Mittani.)

CEO Update: Hi5s All Around & Standing Orders

So: through a tremendous effort across the entire coalition, we have achieved victory in Fountain, spitting in the eye of the legions of enemies and critics who insisted that we could not and would never succeed, that we had bitten off more than we could chew, that the CFC could not win against a foe who outnumbered them. All wrong: Fountain is ours. 

Great fucking work. Everyone busted their ass across the coalition - FCs, Logi, Diplos, Line Members, Spies, Scouts, Cap Jocks: ballers all.

You have two weeks off. You can spend those two weeks dicking around NPC Delve making TEST miserable with squad deployments, with Blackops, or just toodling around yourself. You can spend those two weeks enjoying Fountain, which is FFA ratting and mining for the entire CFC. If you need to leave 4-EP, leave a jump clone and a Baltecfleet ship in 4-EP, this goes for everyone in the CFC. Operations will still continue out of 4-EP as we pacify the region; N3 and NCdot are remaining in Hophib for now, so we can't let our guard down entirely. But this war is won and everyone knows it. 

In two weeks much of Fountain will be ticking over to sov2 (yay, beacons!) and then sov3 (yay, bridges!); we will need to hold and maintain the region, install a bridge network, and generally make the place habitable. Once the period of rest and relaxation is over, we're likely to go shit in someone's cheerios for fun with more pointed squad deployments.

The TEST Question

TEST is a mess, but it's a mess of their own making. Their leadership has set up some kind of a circular firing squad where they either blame one another, jump ship to Pandemic Legion, or join Pizza and steal or Awox everything not nailed down. It seems like every one of TEST's so-called allies is sucking talent out of that alliance like a particularly delicious milkshake, leaving a withered and poorly-washed husk of ex-Atlas and ex-AAA dregs behind. TEST's allies in Renegade Council [RIOT] have joined sides against TEST with Pizza Confederation, who own the lion's share of moons in Delve. Tribal Band, TEST's other remaining close ally, is looking shiftily towards the exits, thinking about moving to the Southeast and quietly acting like that whole 6VDT thing didn't happen. Nulli Secunda has given shelter to Aerallo, who loudly ditched TEST in a huff after even their members got sick of broadcasts announcing that the CFC was 'scared' of TEST. 

We are not rushing to invade Delve or anything silly like that. Such a move would give TEST an opportunity to rally and unite against an external threat, as well as give NCdot hope that they might win a war against us, instead of having just lost their third war against the CFC in a row. You're welcome to go to Delve and run around pooping on things, since everyone else in the galaxy is circling that place like a red-eyed vulture with the munchies. 

Training: Of Dreadnoughts and Drones

Dreads: If you can fly a carrier, you should be crosstraining to Dreadnoughts - NOT a Phoenix. The Fountain War taught us the joy of dropping massed blap dreads on the target, and the even greater joy of seeing NCdot and N3 supercaps hiding away when we bring out a blob of 150+ dreads. The counter to our foes who try to blob supers is for us to blob dreads; we have more people, we have more dreads, and we can afford to be very aggressive indeed with them. Due to the skill requirement changes in Odyssey you don't need Battleship 5 anymore, so get your not-Phoenix dread trained. We've been running at least one dread op a day for weeks now, often more than one, so they will not gather dust. 

(Sentry) Drones: We have fought drone assist doctrines for the entirety of the Fountain War. Slowcats, Dominixes, Gilas, Prophecies: all died before us. However, our FCs despise this game mechanic. While our CSM advocates have complained about this laughable bit of game design ('assign drones to FC, go afk and look at porn') we have been victims of our own success; it is hard to convince CCP that drone assist should be altered to remove the capability from sentry drones from atop a throne made out of the wrecks of thousands and thousands of dead hostile drone assist ships. 

Everyone here can already fly Gallente Battleships, many of you can fly Gallente HACs. We're not officially announcing a new drone assist doctrine yet, but I ~highly encourage~ you to be able to use T2 Sentry Drones (ie, train sentries to five). Not only will this make our Baltecfleets more powerful - as Megathrons rock a sturdy drone bay which includes a pair of Gardes - it will allow us to engage in the time-honored Goonswarm tradition of forcing CCP to come to terms with something being overpowered by proving, the hard way, that it is Dumb And Bad. We're going to run this shit straight into the ground, since N3 and TEST failed so badly to make the point for us. 

Standing Orders

We're relaxing for two weeks. Ops remain based out of 4-EP but the op tempo will slow down. Expect CFC allies to go various places: some will stay in Fountain, some will head back North. Train for Dreads (the Phoenix is not a dread), be able to use T2 Sentries. 

GSF will remain in 4-EP for now. 

THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE: IF YOU MUST LEAVE 4-EP FOR WHATEVER REASON (ie, killing TEST in Delve) LEAVE A JUMPCLONE AND A BALTECFLEET SHIP IN 4-EP READY TO ROCK

I expect our enemies to strive for relevance and fuck with us in Fountain periodically, which is why you need the jumpclone + fleet ship ready. 

Suggested Vacation Funtimes: 

  • Enjoy ratting and mining in our new region!
  • Go to NPC Delve and Kill TEST! 
  • Smoke Weed! []
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