GSF CEO Update: The Madness of Montolio

Holy fucking WOT Mittens!So, when do we go step on this fuckers neck?I mean shit, if VR couldn't deal with him and gave up, who the fuck can or should?
Well, saying this has 'escalated' would be a understatement. Didn't think we were this close at all.
Good to hear that us TEST bros are all cool in Mittens' eyes. I wonder who he has in mind to succeed Monty and become his puppet if this attempted personality snipe succeeds? I assume that's why he's so desperate to reassure the line members that the leadership is at fault.
We appreciate your dilema with staffing etc. As long as you post both sides you should be OK. Keep up the good work, as a single source of information about eve is still one of the best.GF's one and all :)
Apologies, used the wrong wording. What I meant was I didn't think we ewere this close to an outbreak of war at all.
This CFC / HBC thing turns into Jersey Shore of Eve.
my king of space
Then you haven't really been paying attention.It's been getting this close to war for -months-.
Just come at me bro, I said COME AT ME!
If The_Mittani thinks Montolio is acting like a baby, why doesn't he give him an arousing session of spanks?I also don't understand why he even bothers with the "We have friends in TEST" as an argument against all-out war. I'm pretty sure friends have been opposing factions for all of EvE's history.
The average 'line member' in TEST really shouldn't worry about any of this, we still love you.
wtf? just shitpile more drama on top why don't ya?I read a regretful exposee thoroughly explaining the read a declaration of sovereign imperial rule, I guess???"Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you"In this case, it actually does.
Getting close and actually doing the war feel like two different situations in the scheme of things. When I say 'we were this close' means that we are actually starting to 'heat the oven'. You seem to think that the situation during these few months has brought us here, though from the way I seen it, it is more like 'TEST did it again, silly idiots.' Mittani writing something this serious means it really has become a thing, when previous he probably wouldn't of had such thoughts.
Avatar <-- that about covers it.
Using Vile Rat logs in this is absolutely disrespectful to his memory. Shame on you
saying that they have friends in test gives the image that test could just overthrow montolio. Then stay subordinate to CFC. It is a standard attack on a leader. read between the lines. The Mittani is losing his control. it is clear to read.
Drums... I hear them...
All the more reason for him to apply said spanks.
The average 'line member' in Goons should probably worry about this. 10,000 sperging autists is something you haven't ever been on the recieving end of.
Goons are immune to shame.
Please. DO IT.
I giggled a little when reading the editor's note.
This is not letting someone rest in peace.
No, because it would be seen by all as an attempt at keeping the hand over Test, whatever "keeping" implies.
Chamberlain, 1938, appeasment. Monty = Hitler.The argument for war being duly made, I move to a vote. Who will second me?
I know conspiracy theories are nice and exciting, but I don't actually see any reason why Mittani would like any more drama with Test. The CFC helped Test for free, offered them some moons and shit, stood down when asked, never asked anything from Test (which is a reason why Montolio was pissed on those comms), but yeah, they are the puppet masters.But tell me, what ballet are they making Test dance, if they are so clever and cunning they can make Test go where they want?What has the CFC gained from Test, what have they asked from Test, except for peace when Test wanted to attack FA?What have they so cleverly manipulated Test into doing that finally went to their advantage?
So if I quote Aristotle it is disrespectful to his memory? Think for two seconds, where do most of books come from? Oh yeah, dead people.Quoting him shows what he did, how he played Eve. I don't think he'd be ashamed of people seeing that.
You're an idiot. thoughout history people have been quoted long after they have passed. It is a sign that they actually had something worthwhile to say.
So Mittens lets Zagdul run around HBC space being a fucktard and trying to screw with fleets and shooting blues during ops and stretching the NIP to its limits without a slap on the wrist and then when Monty and Bring mention one word of retaliation against FA's faggotry they get removed from CFC Jabber... Hmmm
Only if we can strangle that fucker Zagdul
Jersey shore owned until that shitty Jwoww/Snooki show happened.
at least he's honest right?
Seriously? Hellcamps left and right, 1000+ in local under 5% tidi, structure grind after structure grind, yeah, sounds riveting.
My theory crafting favors the "all in" scenario. We may be on the verge of the greatest galactic war in history.
I think TEST and FA should gather all of their forces, stage them in a system one jump from each other, and as soon as TQ reboots they each jump into that system and shoot the hell out of each other for the next 23 hours.Sometimes the two kids who can't get along on the shoolyard just need to be allowed to fight it out.I say let them shoot the shit out of each other until they get tired of it, so that maybe they can appreciate being "civil enemies" and go back to shooting each other for lulz, and not getting bothered over it.It looks like a bunch of cool dudes are going to get drug into doing things they just don't feel like doing, over what sounds like a lot of nothing.
Zagdul and FA are chill, you can :frogout:
He has spotless leadership while Goons handed him half an empire's economy(Test's current Tech Moons), and backed him with an army the size of CFC. What has he accomplished since forming HBC? he has blued all of the goons old nemesis', he has insulted and twisted his own reality into hating CFC and hating Goons for being all they have. And now he is threatening war out of paranoia and spite for having the easiest rise to power in the history of EVE. No other way to rationalize it friend. Monty is off his rocker.
Thanks for sharing these convos. It's pretty hard to sympathize with Monty when you read this stuff.
I read it as "This is going to sound a lot like the truth. Beware."
I was kind of understanding when it came to the whole FA-Test conflict, but when I read these chat logs with Montolio whining like a little bitch to the Diplos and VR while we were busy giving him 3 regions plus Tech, I was done. Montolio showed he couldn't be reasoned with and was being a snake when dealing with us and his guys. You may not like the CFC but at least you can understand when some guy is dick'ing over his allies. Thanks for all the assistance CFC, now go f@ck yourself right? Priceless.
Indeed, indeed, for now he can still afford to be honest. Let's see in a few months :)
The bleating for a reset of TEST has attimes become unbearable yet as of today it has not happened and thereare good reasons for not allowing this manipulation to succeed.Should there be wholesale resetting ofTEST by the CFC and it's allies, personally I don't believe it is thebest way forwards but if things escalate as some are making it plainthey want then a major long term war will ensue from which noAlliance will emerge unscathed or undamaged.For those directly involved in thetalking, better to try and establish who is really pulling thatpersons chain and why now.
Honestly this whole thing seems a little fabricated... but honestly I don't care. It's good theater and good for the game.More fights to be had all around!
Our current tech moons are less than a quarter of our income (hint: renters make another quarter)
They had multiple trillion isk about a year ago.
I hope this escalates. EVE could use a good big war. But its gonna end with a boring slapfest..
every single piece of "CEO UPDATE" or "Alliance update" news on this site has come with similar disclaimers. I don't see that precedent changing.
Does that make montolio the Snookie of EVE?
"(2:28:48 PM) montolio: Because it means that I will have 25 supers on 5 stations over the next few hours(2:28:50 PM) montolio: with no support(2:28:55 PM) montolio: Which is the dumbest fucking thing"Someone remind me again how many people in HBC, or even just TEST alone?Reading all this drama, all I can think of is "wtf are these guys doing in 0.0 and what idiot gave them space".
It's more than a shame that it's actually needed in the first place.
The HBC destroyed the south last summer. Look at the sov map from dec. last year to now. Goons came down to help, but The HBC wanted to remove the "upstart southern coalition". I don't see how anyone who preferred the old south to the test dominated south could possibly have more animosity towards GSF than test.Admittedly, the goons came down to help test, but only after being asked to help. The HBC fired the first shot at the alliances (not to mention the people from alliances that test and test pets destroyed) that now makeup N3 last spring in delve. If the HBC hadn't asked, the GSF wouldn't have invaded the south. Why would any line member from any of the old southern alliances help test. Test brought the goonswarm to our god damn door!If we had any sense we would just let them fight, and wait for an opportunity to kill them both.Let their anger and distance grow until they cannot reunite.I also despise the way they make every eve player who does not belong to a "mother forum" out to be an "other", It is an easy galvanizing technique, but I would never ally with either side, as they view me as an "other". (oddly enough I belong to both forums, however I feel like the forum to eve relationship is creepy).Counter-argument: there is no doubt in my mind that should the goons win a war against test, the game will be over. Test is organized, but prone to drama, goons are more like cavity creeps making holes in teeth. The HBC is the only coalition with the logistical backbone, and solidified base of operations to take on the GSF. The GSF works like a machine, and once it's entrenched in a region it seems to be impossible to roll them back. I'd bet my tenbux that should GSF beat the HBC they'll get that cheevo hahaha.The only semi-clear goal in eve total control of conquerable space. Every alliance should be trying to do it. So stop hating on people who do what the intro video invites you to try. In the immortal words of Michael Milken quoted by Gordon Gecko, "Greed is Good!"
Calling the Goon a publord. TEST 2013.
"I have seen firsthand on multiple occasions instances of FA attacking mixed fleets (TEST/other HBC) in our staging system."Why would they not shoot at neutrals? You're shooting them, so you can dish it out, but can't take it?
No, all non-EVE players will see is "holy shit, a big brawl with 1000 guys fighting it out!" People only see the exciting parts. The big EVE scams and conspiracies and spy networks, they only see the fireworks at the end, not the 6 months of endless preparation or the clean up afterwards.
That vile rat guy is awesome, if there is heaven I hope he is on it.
I really hope that one day when I die, some douchbag doesn't suggest that my friends burn all my photos and never speak my name or quote me or my work ever again. Cause to me that would be pretending I never existed.
(in response to the quirp about it being disrespectful quoting VR.)
reading post. saw Vile Rat logs. got sad
Monty vs Zagdul, rifters at the sun and end this shit
More harassment SBU's than have been dropped in the history of eve... can't wait for that
So, when you have about equal size opponent, the war would suddenly be PAINFUL GUERRILLA GRIND WITH NO FUN ALLOWED?Let me tell you something: when you have opponent who can fight back, the war is more about fighting and less about structure grinding.
I agree, hellcamps sitting 2+hours on titans waiting to standdown, locked in station etc. it wouldn't make it mutch fun would it. I fully support a NIP in between the two entities. but i must say Montolio does give the impression of a childish act.would have guessed if it had been any other alliance then TEST that have treated GSF that way they would have got a boot up there arse and been evicted to NPC nullsec.Still TEST is like the little brother to GSF and is suffering from youngest child syndrome. - It's always someone else fault, and your never fully satisfied.I don't think TEST want a full grown fight GSF but i do think PL want it. and thats will put internal pressure on HBC leadership.But i fully endorse a NIP between the two entities (None invasion pact) this means no sov grind. but nothing more. feel free to mess with each other and deal crushing blows to each others fleets.Still it gets complicated when say a GSF roam attack a HBC fleet and half of the member of that fleet is Blue (Test) while the other part of the fleet is neutral. how should they act. i would say in thoes cases its ok for blue on blue fighting.Both sides want fights but not this big fights. both sides are getting restless from nothing new to shoot. fights is fun ....roams is fun ...structure grinds is not fun....alarm clock for defence / attack is out of the question for me.
From my own experience i have seen this beaviour before in other games, from other players.# the player got a big ego so he tries to get him self a "Important position in the group"# Once in the group if something happens that he didn't for example in a mmo losing a item roll he wanted he throws a tantrum about how bad the other player, how mutch he needs the item, and how little the other player not needed the item, even might accusing him of ninjaing the item.Aka the player is unsatisfied about something and throws a tantrum.# he then turns the tantrum to next level offline sending messages to mutual friends how unfair the other player have been to him. calling him a names and telling everyone how bad he is.# If he wins (The opposition backs off) he proclam he did the right thing.# If the oposition stands firm and meet his comments with logical and tries to reason with him and everyone involved it ends with two things happen.# He writes a "FINE" message to the opposition telling them ok you wanted this .... yada yada ...# then he goes off grid for an extend period as he cant cope with the fact he lost the argument.this is a pure ego issue and this kind of personality . should NEVER hold power. they are not fit for holding power since they are power hungry maniacs.with this said i don't think monty should be involved in corp diplo ... im sorry but he should leave that to someone more fit for the job.
I suppose not. I was more referring to the general tone of the messaging or giving one voice a broader platform than the other. So far I am amazed about the balance of the news, this being A Goon Site and all. But that could change when things get hairy, no?
What I remember is Goons coming in and grinding the whole fucking place in like a week. I remember being on both PL and Goon led cap fleets where we grinded structures for 6-8 hour cycles would refuel and get back out to do some more. What I remember is after all this Goons being told they weren't helping enough after we were all completely burnt the fuck out and there was no one left to shoot. Nobody wanted to shoot another goddamn thing on any side of the coalition. We needed a break and that was no reason to throw a tantrum or question participation. We should have been toasting our glasses and giving our high fives while we play MWO.
that which make you can also break you
"Montolio: I feel like TEST can be the best ally you guys have, but in ways that you don't expect"Boy that just says it all, doesn't it
This almost reminds me of the beginning of World War II, in a way. A leader continues to have "tantrums" and get more and more stuff from the big guys 'above' them. Pretty soon they grab Austria. Then Sudetenland, pretty soon they've forced someone to cede territory to Poland and Hungary. Eventually they just take over stuff in their interests with the big dogs just saying "No more of that, please, just don't do it." They sign some pacts with peeps, some secret non-aggression treaty or two...Then they invade Poland.
this is my point exactly. VRs reputation will be defended by everyone, you could edit montolio to say he eats babies and the public would stand by VR. its shameful
more water to flush you down
Yes, indeed, I get what you mean. Then you could have written "It is shameful because everybody will side with VR anyway and VR wouldn't have wanted that" instead of this ambiguous (and quite frankly, dubious) statement that it is "disrespectful to his memory"
Snake in the grass Mittani.

(Editor's Note: Obviously the ongoing drama between FA, TEST, and GSF puts this website in a laughably awkward position. Five of our staff are TEST, including one senior editor. We have aimed to present TEST, FA and GSF agitprop about the situation openly for all to read. When alliances go to war there are many casualties, the truth first among them, and you as a reader should choose to read everything with a wary, skeptical eye.)


The Madness of Montolio

This is an extraordinarily awkward update to write, because I'm about to burn a bridge. Actually, let's be realistic - this bridge set itself on fire many months ago, and it's only now that I've given up trying to pretend that we have any kind of relationship with Montolio other than his seething, passive-aggressive hostility towards GSF and the CFC. As you know, things have been batshit with TEST the past few days, ever since they openly announced a desire to kill off our neighbor in Fade, Fatal Ascension, while under the protection of positive standings.

The literal sum of the drama is this: Bring Stabity, TEST's diplo to the CFC, announces that Montolio plans to try to instigate FA into attacking TEST so that TEST can kill off FA while still blue to the CFC. This is problematic. However, we have tried to err on the side of gentleness when it comes to Montolio's antics, and so we just removed the HBC from GFAllies, our shared jabber channel for allied leadership. As responses to "we are planning on killing your neighbor and ally who you share a border with" go, this seems pretty tame. Given that Montolio's spat with FA had already queered the dynamic of the channel to where our allies didn't feel comfortable talking in there, this was probably going to be necessary even if the "We're trying to kill FA under your nose, lololol" stuff from Monty hadn't come out so directly.

Does this seem like a petty drama to you? It does to me, as well. And yet we are on the verge of a massive all-nullsec bloc war because of this: the passive-aggressive behavior of one alliance leader, culminating in an explosion of triviality. 

After being removed from the GFAllies channel due to his threats against FA, Montolio lost his shit. Where we made no public announcement of these changes, Montolio posted a sticky thread on the TEST forums and broadcast to his entire alliance about what had transpired; he also removed every CFC jabber account from TEST's servers. Since this took place, Monty has issued an increasingly erratic series of jabber broadcasts, mostly relating to a bunch of people eager to kill us joining forces with him: 


Expect to see some N3, NeoCurse, and potentially Solar Fleet people on jabber in coming weeks.

Please do not copy any fleet broadcasts into a public room.



Progodlegend and Gorga of S2N are already on jabber who else is coming?

[4:43:45 PM] Vince Draken: I will send LadyScarlet



(We note that Solar and N3 are at war with one another in Cache, and these all-broadcasts on TEST jabber from Montolio are clearly intended to spook or intimidate the CFC, or boost Monty's confidence, or something.)

Tonight we've seen a bunch of Kugu posting by Montolio, and instead of it being about FA, he has apparently decided to vent his spleen about how awful Goonswarm was for daring to help out in Delve during the SoCo campaign: 


With regards to Goonswarm insisting on owning a few 'defensive systems' in Delve & Querious - Goonswarm has a huge trust issue. The monolithic approach to the entire coalition alienates anyone that wants to be independent. Check each CFC region, you are likely going to find at least one Goonswarm staging area. It took us over a year to get PNQY in Fountain, which they literally never used. One of the big reasons that Goonswarm can attempt to take credit for campaigns is because they refuse to integrate allies within campaign command or fleet command positions. Goon skymarshals, Goon FCs.

It works, but it sucks sometimes. Goonswarm aid always comes with preconditions.


There are more similar posts; these came after a missive yesterday called "FA Shot First" written by Montolio, blaming FA for starting all of this - some kind of spat with BDEAL, an alliance you have all no doubt forgotten, over a year ago, a controversy that no one has talked about at all until Montolio needed to find an excuse for his extreme behavior. His motive is transparent; in response to being separated from GFAllies for announcing an intention to kill FA, Montolio kneejerked and kicked the CFC off his jabber, wrote a screed about how it was all FA's fault anyway due to forgotten year+ old drama, and is now tag-teaming on Kugu with his trusty second-in-command Rob3r about how this is somehow all back to GSF being awful. We've had to deal with years of this kind of passive-aggressive crap from Monty, and things have seemingly reached a point of no return.


What In The Everliving Fuck Is Going On?

Montolio could be an evil space mastermind and this is all part of his grand plan to bring about our downfall. More likely, he could be erratic by nature and spoiled by TEST's position in nullsec politics, leading to behavior like a tantrum-prone child. Here are some possibilities:

He could be malicious: attempting to kill one of our strongest allies under our noses, while surrounding himself with allies which are vehemently hostile towards GSF, such as Raiden (who he gave space to in Querious) and 'N3', the new home of Nulli Secunda and Northern Coalitiondot, both of whom starred in recent Eve Online dramas the [i]denouement[/i] of which involved ignominious retreat for the anti-CFC forces, setting up a classic divide, surround and conquer strategy re: us. However, this requires a fair degree of long-range planning on Monty's part, and I think this theory is probably just me being exceptionally paranoid. Let us be charitable, for a moment. 

He could be bonkers: his reactions to events have been completely outsized, overreactions and escalations on a grand scale. His behavior has been unpredictable and erratic, and in fact he is well known for this. While "dude is fucking nuts, who knows" is kind of a cop-out as explanations go, it's a pretty solid contender, considering how often his goals and narratives (FA shot first! No wait, Goonswarm is at fault! etc) shift.  

He could be spoiled: We helped Montolio take Fountain, and with PL helped take Delve, Querious and Period Basis; when we went home after one of his tantrums, PL helped prosecute the war against the SoCo to its final conclusion. When Montolio wanted tech moons, we gave him our own. When Montolio began his protracted slapfight with Fatal Ascension, we did little more than say 'play nice now' and turned a blind eye. When Montolio accused us of trying to use our jump bridge systems in Fountain of being ~secret staging areas to destroy TEST~ (PNQY, J5A) we gave them to him; when he decided that he didn't want us to help defend Delve from the W-4 constellation, we handed over every system in the region to him and shrugged it off. 

In almost every situation I can think of, the strategy of 'escalate and throw a tantrum' has worked for Montolio when he gets into a conflict; he does not appear to know how to deescalate a situation or calm down, and as long as PL or the CFC was there to back him up, this kind of strategy worked a charm against a number of enemies - until he tried the same on a CFC member. 

To my knowledge, "No, you can't hang out in GFAllies while plotting to kill off FA, sorry" is the first time we have said "no" to Montolio, and he has completely flipped shit about it - like a spoiled six year old child punching and kicking because he couldn't get a fourth lollipop today. Perhaps this is a monster of our own creation, by being so accommodating over the years; regardless, it is clear that reason, negotiation, and reconciliation are not options, as everything so far has only accelerated his penchant for psychodrama and petty lashing-out. 


What About TEST?


We like TEST. We helped bring them safely into a nullsec that tried to kill us, in the same place; while Reddit and SA might have their spats, as line members go we are fairly similar when compared with the rest of Eve who have no 'mother forum' to call home. We have no quarrel with the line members of TEST. We get along peachy with folks like Durrhurrdurr and Walter Stine, and my best friend in Madison is the CEO of a corp in TEST. Half of my silly website is staffed by loyal TEST members. That makes this situation tremendously awkward: our problems with TEST pretty much just come down to "Montolio is a passive aggressive child", and the guy seems intent on driving us all into some kind of foreverwar with Every Alliance We Beat The Shit Out Of In The Last Four Years as his darling ~friends and allies~.

Right now Montolio seems to think - or is claiming to anyone who will listen - that GSF is getting ready to invade TEST. We are not, and that would be retarded for a whole host of reasons - not only do we not need the space, it's a coinflip if we could even win, and most importantly we like TEST's membership. In reaction to this nonexistent invasion, Montolio seems to be running around Eve rallying forces against us while we are still nominally allies - all for our terrible sin of quietly separating him from FA, who he plotted to destroy, in a jabber channel. It is difficult to get past how laughably petty the instigating event of all of this drama is. 

TEST is a member of OTEC, so even if Montolio drinks more Kool-aid and resets us we will not be attacking his tech moons (the techs which we gifted to TEST) unless he launches an actual attack on us. 

It's clear that we basically cannot deal with Montolio on any level, and will conduct all our TEST diplomacy (what little left there is to do) via junior diplos, and leave him to his hobbies of concocting obscure resentments, being bitter as hell about GSF, and plotting our doom. TEST has not been removed from our jabber or our forums, and we will keep them blue and hope that this fit of madness passes, and/or someone will give the screaming child a lollipop already before our eardrums rupture.


I Am Offended About TEST/FA/Delve Sov/BDEAL


You're going to see an awful lot of posting and sperging and narratives thrown around in the next few days as Montolio talks himself into resetting us and going to war for kicking him out of a jabber channel after he was caught plotting to kill off our neighbors. BDEAL drama from a year ago. Goonswarm said this/that about Sov this one time in Fountain or Delve and was an evil parent. FA/Zagdul did this or that and is a jerk/not a jerk. For example, Delve was Goonswarm putting its foot on Montolio's neck, rather than responding to a direct request for aid. 

What actually happened in Delve? I'll post some logs here, because this seems to be the centerpiece of the upcoming 'evil goons' narrative Monty is pushing on Kugu. On June 24th, Monty asks us in no uncertain terms for help - not to mention adding that everything is perfectly cool with FA (remember 'FA Shot First'?)

First, Montolio comes to Courthouse on June 24th, asking for aid. 



(23:55:31) courthouse: based on what I've seen today you've been talking to just about everyone trying to get people to dogpile to delve because soco put up 700 people for an sbu shoot, right?

(23:56:33) montolio: More or less, yes 

(23:56:50) montolio: The consequences for failure before today was that we just went back to Fountain

(23:56:52) courthouse: I haven't seen any battle reports or really followed the kugu thread or anything, but I assume shit's pretty much gotten real?

(23:57:05) montolio: The consequence for failure now will be a reinvigorated new bloc that is hostile to us

(23:57:16) courthouse: have they come out and stated that their intent is to pressure fountain?

(23:57:29) montolio: They are moving proxy elements into Fountain 

(23:57:36) montolio: and they are all dogpiling into Delve

(23:58:14) montolio: We are very concerned that the enemies will form into something that is much more threatening then we anticipated 

(23:58:39) courthouse: okay, then basically shit's real, so if there's any advice I can give it'd be to let the people who are good at their jobs do them. Unfortunately that may mean that we take more operational control than you guys had stated you were comfortable with.

(23:59:03) courthouse: because if the alternative to winning is that fountain is threatened, egos be damned it's time to win.

(23:59:19) montolio: You can have total operational control

(23:59:20) courthouse: that's not to say that test leadership doesn't have a place

(23:59:23) montolio: Or Pandemic Legion can have it

(23:59:28) montolio: Ego is out of this now

(23:59:35) montolio: What we do now has consequences for more then TEST 

(23:59:45) courthouse: yeah, I'm just CFC coalition management and diplomacy, not so much the skymarshal.

(23:59:56) courthouse: so this is just advice and isn't binding

(6/25/2012 00:00:06) montolio: We are willing to turn over 100% of it if thats what we need to do to win this 




(00:16:00) courthouse: what's the status of the relationship between test and the groups you guys 'for fun' reset a month or two ago/

(00:16:08) courthouse: I'm specifically worried about FA

(00:16:19) courthouse: because there were a lot of unkind words passed between both groups

(00:16:22) montolio: Well RAZOR is already here

(00:16:33) montolio: and Fatal Ascension is on the way already

(00:16:42) montolio: They are either in Syndicate or Aridia at the moment

(00:16:50) montolio: The FA thing has evolved into more of a playful competition 

(00:17:07) courthouse: FA just finished syndicate intending to go to aridia next

(00:17:30) courthouse: I was on their TS a half hour ago

(00:17:54) montolio: I have no serious animosity towards Zagdul anymore 

(00:18:00) montolio: Fighting is great for getting that out of the system

(00:18:13) courthouse: okay. probably a good thing to let him know if you haven't already

(00:18:25) courthouse: if he's an asshole about it let me know and I'll take him back behind the barn

(00:18:42) courthouse: but that was something that I was worried might turn into a thing

(00:18:44) montolio: We've been talking, he was the first CFC to offer help

(00:20:32) courthouse: okay good, that means it won't be a thing


I'm in Alaska at the time; the next day I pop on for some serious business planning in an allied jabber, and everything is smiles with Monty:


[9:42 PM] the_mittani: anyway, I'm planning[b]

[9:43 PM] the_mittani: in regard to our most recent diplomatic records (from last

night) I'm going to avoid a Y-2 scenario by carving out a small path of space for GSF

between NPC Delve and Catch, the W-4 to 49- corridor

[9:43 PM] the_mittani: we will likely stage in NPC delve or borrow J-L until W-4 is

pacified and try to take 49- as rapidly as possible

[9:44 PM] the_mittani: that is the 'neck' of those two regions and with our boot on it, it

limits the hostile options substantially

[9:45 PM] the_mittani: from there we can bridge direct onto C3N, too[/b]

[9:46 PM] Montolio [.-A-.]: King of the North

[9:46 PM] Montolio [.-A-.]: Herculetz Lannister will not stand

[9:47 PM] Montolio [.-A-.]: Is it king of or king in?

[9:47 PM] the_mittani: beyond that I don't give a shit about the territory, if we're

making a GoT analogy there's a Freys thing going on[b]

[9:48 PM] the_mittani: That space is the 'trident' of Delve/Q, and there's no valuable

moons anyway, so the rest of the spoils can be divvied out. but I'm sick of the backand-

forth of conquering/not conquering this region[/b]

[b][9:51 PM] rob3r: Agreed, Test position is we want to murder some fucking publords,

and we are just glad we were able to kick off what is shaping up to be the next Great


[b][9:53 PM] the_mittani: delve 1/2 began from W-4, not seeing a reason to change a

winning strategy[/b]

[9:53 PM] the_mittani: alrighty, that was easy

[b][9:53 PM] Montolio [.-A-.]: We are very appreciative of the support[/b]

[9:54 PM] the_mittani: we might need you to have over k-6k which is sovless in order

for us to drop a staging gallente egg there but I'm not yet set on a stager for us

[9:55 PM] the_mittani: we're working on it

[9:55 PM] the_mittani: not sovless, stationless

[b][9:55 PM] Montolio [.-A-.]: We will hand over anything you need[/b][/spoiler]


By mid-July we're in conspiracy land; after winning, Montolio complains about us not grinding Period Basis, which had no resistance, like we did Delve and Querious. There's a bunch of stuff here about how we're horrible people because Monty doesn't want to handle an undefended station shot op, or something. I really don't get it, but boy howdy is he mad. 



(1:49:57 PM) sionkumitomo: hello

(1:50:03 PM) montolio: hi

(1:50:39 PM) sionkumitomo: so what's up? 

(1:51:00 PM) sionkumitomo: I'm yelling at our dudes for causing problems, but yeah. I don't really know what's going on either

(1:56:40 PM) sionkumitomo: would you like some insight into why theadj is upset?

(1:56:55 PM) montolio: sure, because I have no fucking understanding of it 

(1:58:43 PM) sionkumitomo: he's put in a lot of work to help out down south. work he was by no means obligated to do. I suspect he feels like he's being shat on for not doing enough work. 

(1:58:59 PM) sionkumitomo: when yeah, he's done a lot. 

(1:59:05 PM) montolio: We are doing a sov swapped that was agreed on by both sides 

(1:59:11 PM) montolio: and you guys want to do the bear minimum on this end of it 

(1:59:19 PM) montolio: bare

(1:59:31 PM) montolio: I don't understand it mostly because its god damn cap work

(1:59:36 PM) montolio: The one thing you should never do fragmented

(1:59:39 PM) montolio: and its just cynos

(1:59:44 PM) montolio: its as low effort as it gets

(2:00:50 PM) sionkumitomo: but it isn't particularly mission critical at this point either. I reckon our dudes are just a bit worn out from all this and are looking for ways to lessen their workload. 

(2:01:07 PM) sionkumitomo: none of which implies a soco level of fragmentation I don't think. 

(2:01:24 PM) montolio: We've been doing this for months

(2:01:50 PM) montolio: The entire region your getting NOL is so that GSF will feel invested in the region

(2:01:54 PM) montolio: entire reason

(2:02:38 PM) sionkumitomo: perhaps, but that's more symbolic than practical when it comes down to it. 

(2:02:56 PM) sionkumitomo: goon are I'm sure looking forward to ratting in delve though

(2:03:00 PM) sionkumitomo: *goons

(2:04:10 PM) montolio: We fight 50% of the war, CFC comes down GSF claims victory and stands up as backbone of the entire thing and then people don't want to do the grunt work at the end

(2:04:16 PM) montolio: CFC is going home this weekened

(2:04:17 PM) montolio: weekend

(2:04:20 PM) montolio: Period Basis isn't done

(2:04:48 PM) montolio: You can perhaps understand why we are upset

(2:04:54 PM) montolio: or confused, or whatever you want to classify it as

(2:05:41 PM) sionkumitomo: no, I really can't. as you said before, this isn't about egos. this was about winning. we, collectively, won. 

(2:06:02 PM) montolio: You guys came for the 'win' but not the 'finish'

(2:06:13 PM) sionkumitomo: I don't realistically think you need the CFC to finish off PB anyway do you?

(2:06:38 PM) montolio: Need? No, but it really shoots the entire concept of a friendly collective of guys that like each other 

(2:06:51 PM) montolio: Especially when we are giving GSF ratting rights to the region that we conquered before you even showed up

(2:07:32 PM) montolio: We needed you to win this war, no illusions on that 

(2:07:33 PM) sionkumitomo: the 'finish' bit is a hard sell I think to people who don't feel like their help is wanted or appreciated. as you said, we can "just head back to VFK and collect those technetium deposits" while you handle it. 

(2:07:38 PM) montolio: But you guys want sov you want infastructure down here

(2:07:41 PM) montolio: bridges and shit

(2:07:52 PM) montolio: It feels really unfair for you to show up for the climax only and then leave 

(2:08:34 PM) montolio: If you just came down, hi5s all around, some battles and then rode bikes back north nobody would be this confused

(2:08:41 PM) montolio: But you guys want to be INVESTED in this 

(2:08:45 PM) montolio: You have 49- and NOL

(2:08:52 PM) montolio: You took 49- specifically to invade Catch

(2:08:54 PM) montolio: When you aren't doing

(2:08:58 PM) montolio: which you aren't doing

(2:09:40 PM) sionkumitomo: to the best of my understanding, you offered us whatever we needed. which we took you up on. which was then renegotiated at your behest. ex post facto of that, I don't understand the anger about us wanting the things you said we could have, and are in any case no longer getting. 

(2:10:19 PM) montolio: I said you guys could have whatever you needed to win this war 

(2:10:29 PM) montolio: The war was one as soon as you came down here 

(2:10:59 PM) montolio: The majority of my subcaps are out on a fucking boat fleet right now

(2:11:06 PM) montolio: So my caps are grinding without sub or coalition support

(2:11:42 PM) montolio: Whats the point of NOL and 49- when you guys don't even have the energy to help us swap a station?

(2:12:28 PM) sionkumitomo: honestly, I don't understand why we'd want them either if we're not running bridges to them. maybe nol I guess, but not 49- 

(2:12:52 PM) montolio: Right, and we are just going to end up with a J5A/PNQY situation again

(2:12:57 PM) montolio: Bridges out of fuel constantly

(2:13:01 PM) montolio: because no goons give a shit to fuel them

(2:13:29 PM) sionkumitomo: as we're not running any bridges, that strikes me as unlikely 

(2:13:40 PM) montolio: Joe asked us for bridging systems today

(2:13:48 PM) montolio: and linked a map that wouldn't even work

(2:13:49 PM) montolio: heh

(2:13:56 PM) sionkumitomo: he was unaware of the changes made 

(2:14:55 PM) montolio: I'm just really confused by this entire campaign

(2:15:08 PM) sionkumitomo: how do you mean?

(2:15:14 PM) montolio: This is the first time we asked you guys for help with a TEST campaign and its been drama and frustration from the start 

(2:16:26 PM) sionkumitomo: true. for what should be entirely obvious reasons though. 

(2:16:57 PM) montolio: Its because you guys weren't in charge of it all from the start 

(2:17:07 PM) sionkumitomo: no. 

(2:17:13 PM) montolio: then what was it

(2:17:17 PM) sionkumitomo: are you familiar with the concept of a self fulfilling prophecy? 

(2:17:32 PM) montolio: I am yes

(2:18:25 PM) sionkumitomo: that's pretty much it. 

(2:18:52 PM) sionkumitomo: for example, the pnqy/j5a thing? 

(2:19:07 PM) montolio: go on

(2:19:26 PM) sionkumitomo: sinister goon plot, key high way for the coalition, pick one. 

(2:19:39 PM) montolio: key high that was never fueled

(2:19:43 PM) montolio: key highway that TEST could have run

(2:19:48 PM) montolio: But goons didn't trust us enough

(2:20:08 PM) montolio: I was told by Mittens it was there because nobody thought we were stable and you guys wanted a stronghold to retake the region if we collapsed

(2:20:14 PM) sionkumitomo: and indeed do now. it isn't a matter of trust though, and therein you're proving my point about self fulfilling prophecies. 

(2:20:27 PM) montolio: If its not about trust, then what is it about

(2:20:45 PM) sionkumitomo: practicality 

(2:20:57 PM) sionkumitomo: the same reason we hold an embassy system in tenal 

(2:21:07 PM) montolio: TEST maintained the fountain bridge network with zero issues 

(2:21:07 PM) sionkumitomo: for incidentally, the same reasons. 

(2:21:18 PM) montolio: The GSF practice of leaving embassies around makes people feel like pets

(2:21:40 PM) montolio: We are culturally extremely similiar 

(2:21:46 PM) montolio: but your external practices alienate my members constantly

(2:21:47 PM) sionkumitomo: surprisingly no. with one striking exception anyway. 

(2:21:55 PM) montolio: and I have to actively manage that aspect of our relationship

(2:22:35 PM) montolio: seriously, I want to be super cool BFFS

(2:22:41 PM) montolio: But people make that so god damn hard

(2:22:49 PM) sionkumitomo: that's a matter of perception though, and you can either paint it internally as "hey we're buds" or "the goons are keeping us down." 

(2:23:01 PM) montolio: nobody has to paint it 

(2:23:05 PM) montolio: people make their own observations

(2:23:09 PM) sionkumitomo: by mittani saying things like TEST is family during the sotg?

(2:23:19 PM) montolio: A month from now the 20 TEST caps on this fleet right now are going to remember this night

(2:23:33 PM) montolio: They are going to remember this as the night that goons were too good to help us grind five stations

(2:23:49 PM) montolio: That kind of shit isn't erased by some casual SOTG mentions

(2:24:22 PM) sionkumitomo: whereas some of our dudes are going to remember this night as the time the leader of test made snarky comments to them while fighting for them. 

(2:24:28 PM) sionkumitomo: this isn't a one way street. 

(2:24:38 PM) montolio: I made it after you guys decided to  us

(2:25:20 PM) sionkumitomo: not by my logs. 

(2:25:39 PM) montolio: (11:46:04 PM) ninablaze: montolio: I don't think so, just flipping NOL real quick

(11:46:08 PM) montolio: from what I understand GSF is only doing NOL and then riding into the sunset 

(11:46:40 PM) ninablaze: lol, you really giving us shit right now montolio?

(11:47:17 PM) montolio: is that supposed to imply I should be grateful you aren't assisting?

(2:25:39 PM) sionkumitomo: theadj was provoked. but that's neither here nor there. 

(2:26:04 PM) montolio: after that your two dudes proceeded to tell me they were busy playing other games

(2:26:15 PM) montolio: and that those other games are more important then our caps once GSF has what it wants

(2:26:37 PM) montolio: (11:49:59 PM) ninablaze: I am personally enjoying Mount and Blade: Warband - napoleonic wars, am0k. has a rag tag group of drummer boys fighting the good fight

(11:50:17 PM) theadj: im trying to grind out an XL400 right now, I really want to try a maxed out speed atlas

(2:26:53 PM) montolio: XL400 - more important then our allies ~

(2:26:57 PM) sionkumitomo: and there's your narrative spin again which is exactly what I'm trying to communicate here. 

(2:27:14 PM) montolio: I'm not spinning shit, im posting what was said

(2:27:27 PM) montolio: im genuinely fucking upset 

(2:27:37 PM) montolio: I was just partying with GSF directors three days ago

(2:27:49 PM) montolio: I hugged mittens on Friday 

(2:27:53 PM) sionkumitomo: okay, then how about another narrative? one wherein those guys are weary from fighting, want to take a break, and such? not particularly sinister, no agendas. 

(2:27:56 PM) montolio: and I can't get you guys to help with a station

(2:28:04 PM) montolio: Everyone is weary!

(2:28:24 PM) sionkumitomo: so why not cut them a break on a non-critical station transfer? 

(2:28:28 PM) montolio: We just punched another coalition in the teeth and embarassed them so completely that they are blaming each other 

(2:28:48 PM) montolio: Because it means that I will have 25 supers on 5 stations over the next few hours

(2:28:50 PM) montolio: with no support

(2:28:55 PM) montolio: Which is the dumbest fucking thing

(2:29:26 PM) montolio: and if any of our enemies are smart they will bring their entire super fleet onto the field, wipe us and declare victory

(2:29:36 PM) montolio: and the rest of the CFC will through their hands up and go "WHY WAS TEST DOING THIS ALONE"

(2:29:38 PM) sionkumitomo: hrm. well, that I'm not sure of. did you ask dbrb about his support fleet or whatever? I'm not honestly up on what fleets are up and about at the moment. 

(2:30:04 PM) montolio: what we are doing right now is exactly the kind of thing you don't do with caps

(2:30:12 PM) montolio: and you guys have been playing for years and don't see that

(2:31:19 PM) sionkumitomo: well that could be I dunno. I'm not an fc type at all I'm afraid 

(2:32:10 PM) montolio: Please ask an FC if having 25 supers/caps unsupported doing predictable work for several hours past 04:00 is wise or not

(2:32:27 PM) montolio: heh

(2:32:51 PM) sionkumitomo: I'd really rather not. the fc types tend to be a bit on the diva side  

(2:33:13 PM) montolio: the only reason I'm remotely comfortable about it is this is the kind of shit PL would ruin in the past

(2:34:10 PM) sionkumitomo: at any rate, now that mittani is back I'll assume you want to talk with him, and I shall appraise him of the situation. 

(2:34:26 PM) montolio: im sure he is going to be very angry with me for being an unreasonable n***er 

(2:35:11 PM) sionkumitomo: I'm not sure, I'm really not up on your relationship with him. I was only very recently assigned to you dudes

(2:35:27 PM) montolio: GOOD LUCK


Four days later we've had enough conspiracy stuff, and Vile Rat tells Monty that not only can he have W-4, 49-, NOL, he can have everything that GSF initially asked for because we were out. Enjoy your new three regions, peace - we can't handle the drama or the double-dealing. Meanwhile, Monty says he might step down and flirts with nailing himself on a cross. VR lays out some hard truths, that sadly don't seem to have gotten through many months later.




vile_rat: I think we're going to decline Delve ratting rights. Also we need to discuss the disposition of the querious outpost we dropped. Would you like to pay us the material cost for it? or we just keep it?

Montolio: I'm assuming just keeping it is fine may want to wait until tomorrow to make a decision on that though

vile_rat: How so?

Montolio: going to have a dreddit directors meeting tomorrow, might be stepping down

vile_rat: Well that was unexpected

Montolio: my abrasive diplomacy may not be what we need going forward

vile_rat: But why would that impact the purchase or non purchase of the staging system?

Montolio: depending on the outcome the new guy may want you guys to have more involvement etc.. it'll probably be status quo I've done this before and the dreddit directors unanimiously supported keeping me on

vile_rat: Ok then. Let's talk about the station then would you guys like to purchase the material cost or have us keep it?

Montolio: keep it probably The last two months of my dealings with you guys have been super rocky and im afraid thats my personal feelings getting in the way or something

vile_rat: What do you think is causing this rockiness

Montolio: I'm not entirely sure, cultural differences, difference perspectives, experience levels, goals etc. who knows but I feel like I've seriously damaged the relationship and one of our core values is our relationship with goons

vile_rat: Well, While our FC team can be blunt I can see why they are a bit upset right now

Montolio: I expected to patch it up during testival but I barely got more then two sentences out to mittens the entire time

vile_rat: I can tell you what test looks like from my eyes if you'd like. perhaps that will help with perspective

Montolio: sure

vile_rat: It is our perspective that you guys desperately want to be out from under our shadow both real and perceived

Montolio: we do, we don't want to be under any shadow we are fiercely independent but also fiercely loyal

vile_rat: We don't consider it a shadow and our efforts to be a friend to you are met with a perceived iciness and arms length We've never attempted to lord over test, we've never taken resources from you to keep for ourselves, (including pnqy)

Montolio: Right, you say "We are taking 49- to protect you" But thats not what we hear

vile_rat: not to protect you per se but you asked the coalition to come down and help you take the region for really no benefit to the coalition at all fine. We're not even fighting that. but you have displayed a need for the coalition, it was our intention to put the coalition at the front line to discourage people getting uppity in your space Your guys took it as imperial ambitions and a desire to control you and you as leader, did nothing to discourage this thinking. It's become toxic and honestly it's become the reality in the eyes of the common test grunt

Montolio: Which is one of the reasons I am talking to my directors Because I sympathize with the test grunt viewpoint

vile_rat And I contend it's based on a false premise and completely unfair to us and the work this entire coalition did to deliver you three regions on a platter with no expectation of any recompense

Montolio: Your motivations and goals are pure, but we'd rather be the ones attacked. If we can't defend these regions ourselves then its somewhat pointless

vile_rat: if our motivations and goals are pure, why do you help stoke the fire against us

Montolio: these systems will come out in our time zone

vile_rat: you could say "no, they are just being friends trying to make sure we're safe in our new home

Montolio: I do say that

vile_rat: but you egg them on. encourage that kind of talk act like we're assholes for even suggesting such an arrangement

Montolio: But we can defend it ourselves, at the very least we'd like to fail at defending it nobody has invaded us before; Even mentioning Raiden attacking Fountain got a bump in TEST fleet participation If 49- is the first hit on a d/p/q invasion and it belongs to GSF then when the invasion starts its 'The CFC is being attacked' and not 'We are being attacked'

vile_rat: what happens if you start to lose it.

Montolio: You guys lost several times and you seem better for it tbh. If TEST can't win in US TZ then we don't deserve it

vile_rat: I mean what is your expectation from us should you get invaded

Montolio: I wouldn't expect you to immediately deploy to defend and depending on how we handle things I may not even want you to defend

vile_rat: at what point will your directors start saying we've abandoned you

Montolio: When people start crying out for our saviors and you say no but it'll be me saying no at the start I don't know if that makes sense

vile_rat It's not fair to say you want to be invaded but when things become precarious you want us to rush in and fill the void

Montolio: I think we can hold it GSF and PL are the biggest potential threats and both of you are blue so taking the regions is an entirely different matter because of TZ coverage

vile_rat: so tell me specifically what you'd like from us moving forward.

Montolio: We are so entitled

vile_rat: (2:04:10 PM) We fight 50% of the war, CFC comes down GSF claims victory and stands up as backbone of the entire thing and then people don't want to do the grunt work at the end

you are.

Montolio: yeah I understand it and 80% of our income is shit you guys gave us

vile_rat: Since this was all for you.

Montolio: I was going to say be treated like equals But thats not really fair Because pretty much the only reason we can do what we do it because you gave us tech moons

vile_rat: We've been pretty rotten to you I admit!

Montolio: I guess what I want is help being the strongest possible ally we can be. A lot of this is just dumb narrative, like in the history of TEST, the grunt is going to remember this war in a certain way

vile_rat: Instead of realtalk from you all we get is angsty shit from bring and really vague displeasure from you without ever working with us to nail down exactly what it is

Montolio: The way they are going to remember PL is much rosier then how they will remember GSF

vile_rat: You have done little to build a positive narrative.

Montolio: I know, but its not easy because a lot of it comes from grass roots questions "Why are goons doing X" and sometimes the answer they just don't like

vile_rat: And how do you answer it.

Montolio: "To feel invested in the region and as a strategic bulkhead" etc and they just don't snap with that answer but its the real answer

vile_rat: Well now you can tell the happy masses that we're not going to be invested at all they should be thrilled.

Montolio: I want my dudes to feel a kinship with goons

vile_rat: You can even tell them that we listened to their concerns and want to be a good ally 

Montolio: I feel like I've offended you but I am really trying to be as honest as possible

vile_rat: Hell even now our guys are helping you do the grunt afterwork to finish claiming your regions that you wanted for ourselves

Montolio: I feel like TEST can be the best ally you guys have, but in ways that you don't expect


You are a bad supervisor. Let me explain why:

you are the kind of guy who hears something from management that your direct employees won't like much and instead of helping to make it work, you confide in your guys that you think it's bullshit too but "sigh" I guess we have to do it if they are making us, which encourages people to think bad things about the decision and the decision makers in that instance

so in the end people think less of us, and you kinda encourage it

Montolio: Its not so much that, its that the middle management in TEST doesn't like it and that goes both up and down and sometimes I think its valid I mean J5A and PNQY, Was that ever useful? Was it ever needed? The bridge was unfueled a lot of the time

and the systems almost never touched The strategy on those two systems was sound, but in reality never needed

vile_rat: was it needed? We didn't know we had just taken fountain for you from IT. We didn't know what you could do to defend it, we didn't know if you were capable of it. If fountain fell, what fell next?

Montolio: And you are doing the same thing in d/q/p But we could defend it and we did and we won't know what TEST is capable of if we never let it happen. Like I said, your moves make sense in the grand scheme of things but goons only trust goons and not being trusted breeds resentment

vile_rat: I'd say you have the same issue vis a vis dreddit and test

Montolio: But, case in point, name a CFC region that GSF doesn't hold a system in

vile_rat: what does that matter? you know why we do that right?

Montolio: It doesn't, but you guys trust yourselves far beyond anyone else

vile_rat: why we have regions like branch with multiple alliances in it? You are right. Don't you trust yourselves more than you trust us? or is it only pejorative when applied to us?

Montolio: To be honest in a lot of situations we trust you more

vile_rat: then why not cut the passive aggressive shit out and just have this realtalk discussion

Montolio: I am and I have been trying but it always comes off as offensive or entitled, or rude. You guys trust yourselves, you have this grand strategy spanning half of EVE, you have a JB network that goes north to south. Its extremely impressive

But its the goon empire, you guys aren't harsh pet masters or whatever like BoB was But it is still undeniably your empire

and you guys have strategic systems in every region and you carefully manage all the allies in the coalition

But TEST isn't like the other alliances in the coalition, culturally we share more connections with the GSF way of doing things Which makes us want to be independent, want to run our own structures, want to be trusted We can't be goons if your being goons in the same places HEH

vile_rat: So what specifically do you want from us, what do you expect from us?

Montolio: ALL THE TECH

Anything you guys can do to minimize appearing to lord over us or coddle us, even if the appearance is wrong

vile_rat: We've felt like we've bent over backwards at every turn.

Montolio: That has been benefits though, hasn't there? maybe intagible benefits

vile_rat We're feeling unappreciated that's for damn sure

Montolio: Have we been worth it? well there is no way for us to help you, you never need it

vile_rat: we haven't asked for help.

Montolio: I know

vile_rat: You did. Were we there with everything we had, because you asked us to did we not do what you asked?

Montolio: How do I repay the debts when you never need anything? How can you guys NOT resent us?

vile_rat: We don't care about what you do for us

Montolio: I think we'd care but you guys are too good

vile_rat: we do care that we've done everything we could to give you what you asked for and we feel like we're being shat on by test directorate. In addition the test directorate is letting a nasty situation get nastier by not helping build the narrative the way it actually is so the average test guy ends up resentful and completely bought in to this false narrative that we're building an empire and want the best space in delve and try to keep everybody in our shadow which we strongly feel isn't the case. We do resent that.

Montolio: Even if I came out strongly saying the proper narrative, which I did do many times internally, a lot of people won't buy it

vile_rat: Then lead.

As it stands in DQPB you got everything. We're taking nothing for ourselves. Three regions, a whole coalition, to give this to you

Montolio: Did anyone need anything? Or do they

vile_rat: It's a bit late to have that discussion

Montolio: I mean in general

vile_rat: You've already made it clear that the area is yours.


These 'issues' are basically red herrings designed to distract from the truth of what has transpired: Monty wanted to whack one of our allies, got caught, was quietly removed from a Jabber channel, and has completely lost his shit and readied for total war over this grave offense. And we can't really figure out why.

I know that we nerds love arguing over the internet, and this drama is an opportunity for an airing of obscure, stupid grievances. Let's not lose sight of what has actually transpired here, and why so abruptly we are nearly at war with TEST: Montolio.

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