Four C0VEN Titans Disappear, Stolen by NCdot?

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I believe you can view IP that connected to accounts in account management screen, checking now.
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I too cry to the police about internet spaceships and pixels.
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yes, its under account - account activity.
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If this heist indeed true, bravo to NCDOT. I hope they welp those titans well.
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Maybe they worshiped those titans. Idol threats.
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Does this surprise you? Eve might as well be called "Going Too Far Online"
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If the Titan accounts were shared they should remove the titans from their new owners and promptly ban the shared accounts Coven were using. If you want to petition the law (or in this case the GMs) make sure you come with clean hands.
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"Why does he bring up real life money? Why is he involving the Polish authorities over pixles?"why not? if there was precedent with WOWand if it was account hack/sharing they can report it to police
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"How does he know exactly when the theft occured?"Self-destructed pods would have generated a killmail, and guess what ? Those have timestamps on them ! Also if these pods killmails indeed exist, they will at least prove that the titans were not unpiloted.
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Account sharing titans -> BAN!Stealing from an account sharing situation when you got the account information -> BAN!In short I think we're looking at ban hammer for everyone involved: Coven Titans, Coven Mains? NC. Titans? Spy Character, Spy's Main? This kind of thing has a tendency to lead to tears all round. Probably no real life consequences though.
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They want to go for the Polish Police. The POLISH Police. Haha, did you even get enough vodka for this?Not even joking, every Polish guy will tell you they will do nothing for you except you do something for them.Faggot.I fly a few times with C0ven back in the Stainwagon. Days and know them as cool guys, but this is ridiculous.
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why take them from new owners ? thats bullshit ban hammer the sharers yes but not the thiefs after all thios is a snadbox stealing lieing and cheatings part of the game
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Read again, and again and again. The Titans are unmanned in the FF and someone got the PW.So where did u see a Account Hack?I cant see anything like these, and u?
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"Anyway, thats worth a lot RL money so we'll probably look into getting it formally reported to polish authorities – after all, recently someone was convicted for stealing WOW gear."I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
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If someone inside Coven decided to give the Titans to NCDOT out of some drama, NCDOT can probably keep the titans.If NCDOT infiltrated COVEN, they used themselves the share accounts to steal the Titans and can't keep them.
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Ok. Let's talk about reading comprehension.> A C0VEN pilot contacted NCdot and inquired if they had any pilots who could fly specific titans. They then informed them that there were four unpiloted C0VEN titans inside a POS which they had the password for.The above implies that there were unpiloted titans inside a POS by the time NCDOT was contacted. And nothing more. It DOES NOT in any way or shape explain how and why there were 4 UNPILOTED titans inside a POS. It would be fairly reasonable to assume that COVEN being a nullsec alliance, which is quite opposite to a bunch of 1 month old mental retards, realises that a titan is not, in fact, an ibis, and that stockpiling unpiloted titans in a POS is not a reasonable course of action. So Occam's razor suggests us to search a different explanation. Which is accidentally available on the COVEN forum screenshot in this very same article - that pilots jumped out and SDed their capsules, thus leaving titans unpiloted. It's also reasonable to assume that 4 players didn't have a sudden fit of collective sleepwalking that caused them to log in, jump out and SD. And that there's, in fact, no conspiracy about polish EVE pilots going bonkers en-masse being covered by the COVEN leadership.
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Not really, since only CCP responce was "We'll get back to you on Monday".
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thats practically imposible to confirm unless CCP hosts a full investigation to the shared accounts, the ip's used to log into the shared accounts, what accounts those ip's are tied into and what affiliations those characters in those accounts are tied to in game.i can envisage CCP digging down through 1 of those layers, maybe 2, but not go the whole way. and even if they did, we wouldnt be able to talk about it because anyone associated with it will be threatened with a perm ban if they disclose anything.
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If it was done within game then obviously noone will call a police and we will just swallow that sour pill. If, however, there was foul play (like any kind of hacking) involved, then I see no reason to not make live of responsible individual as unpleasent as possible with this simple action.From what we know atm IP used to log in to those accounts was never used on our forums and TS, so it makes 2nd option just a bit more likely.We'll see how things are once CCP gets back to us.
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I sincerely hope that if CCP does anything related to this incident, it involves banning the characters that were sharing accounts, and sending those titans down the memory hole.
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Could I go and play with your bank account info?It is just pixels or maybe I should be allowed to go and format your hard drives to mints again just pixels.Seriously you put time into those things, same here.Why do you make an arbitary difference just because you call one a game?
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And c0ven used them for what if I may ask?...
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But this can be a crime in poland. You know, there are court ruling there in similar cases. Like some guys hacked Tibia account lol. They are punished for hacking but also need to pay compensation for stolen items, even if items aren't theirs possession according to EULA. Such things like EULA can work in USA not Eastern Europe :P
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they diden want them titans any whey ^^
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No not weird, just your misunderstanding grammar....if its unsure whether the pilot concerned is a he or a she then using the term "they" is perfectly normal and acceptable.4 Titans parked up together though...shit where was the wrapping paper and ribbon with a bow ??
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Plain and simple if you get your titan stolen your too stupid to own one. Bravo mysterious theif, Bravo.
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If you share the account details, you don't 'own' that titan in the first place.
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If account hacking was involved, and if as the leaked post suggests, the Polish authorities do prosecute over pretend internet theft it isn't unreasonable to go down that route. If COVEN were sharing accounts and the thief was given that information, then yes, they're being silly and they wont get shit back.
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Clearly the only reasonable solution is to ban every member of COVEN and NCdot.
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Because if they logged on to the shared accounts they acquired them by breaking the EULA.
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Sorry, but unless I see a link to that court ruling I'm calling bullshit here. Poland is EU and as such will likely laugh about a matter solely based on a multiplayer game. If there is some kind of real life threats involved - well, that is a whole different story.
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Who gives a fuck with all this CCP should do this or that,it all comes down to Coven being retards.
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Im calling bullshit with NCdot being involved.
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'Call one' a game? IT IS a game. It's a game, end of.Reality check; let me say it again. It's a game. IT'S A GAME.See a shrink.
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Sounds like someone Plex'd their titans.
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NCDOT says the Titans were in a POS while COVEN says otherwise.
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Post memes and image macro's with nothing else again and I will end you.
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All titans in C0ven seemed to be within their holding corp for god knows what reason. Never saw one that was in a membercorp.
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Actually there are few titans owned by individuals as well as ones that belong to specific corporations. Still C0ven is a bit more "collective" alliance than your standard 0.0 entity (has been for years) with COHO being run by board of directors delegated by corporations and elected CEO/officers (and it was that way long before holding corps become a thing) Most of alliance assets is in possesion of that corporations (over 100 capitals as well as sizeable amount of isk). That actually makes whole thing even more wierd since only only titans went missing.
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Translation: "We'll get back to you on Monday" = "Since a RL legal threat was made, we are waiting to talk to our lawyers on Monday morning before we take this Polish retard's accounts out, and pound them into a collapsed singularity with our mighty ban hammer."
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Literally on the same level as Fagzul
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Basically they shared access to the Titan accounts and got fucked for it.
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I'd say bridging, but really, when's the last time anyone heard of a C0VEN fleet?
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Because this is a game where deception and betrayal are not only allowed, but encouraged.
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haha sexual violence is so funny the loss of pixels in an internet spaceship game is totally comparable to physical violation in a hilarious fashionDipshit.
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He isn't the one who called the fucking police about space pixels
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Anyone who is watching the stain/esoteria brawls daily unfolding between NerdBC and DD/c0ven/No Value. Pretty awesome shit. You fucking mongoloid.
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If the titan pilots were sharing accounts they can expect a ban. CCP bans people who commit this EULA violation. However CCP will sometimes give the victims a warning that if they ever share again they will be banned. If CCP decides to ban the holder accounts, that judgement would carry over to the mains.The perpetrator, as implied by this article, seems to have logged into multiple titan accounts, ejected and self destructed the pods, then provided NC. with the pos information. If the perpetrator got the account information by hacking, CCP will ban this person. If the perpetrator got the titan accounts' information because it was shared with him, CCP will still ban this person. You see, he was also account sharing, and he broke the EULA by theft as well. CCP do not give much mercy to this conduct even if the perpetrator was not the individual who initiated the account sharing.The NC. pilots who took the titans will be in deep shit if the perpetrator can be tied to them in any way. That is in either the hacking or the account sharing instance. This can get them banned.A month ago I had a friend whose Nyx was stolen when he was account sharing. He was warned he would be banned if he ever shared accounts again. The thief was banned. The new pilot, who was not the thief, but had colluded with the thief in game was also banned. Note the new owner was banned despite the fact that he never logged into someone else's account or hacked someone else's account.In short, anything goes with corp theft, right until someone starts logging into other peoples accounts and taking their stuff. Then the ban hammer drops like rain.If this theft was undertaken without logging in to other peoples accounts then its fine. It it was, that is outside the acceptable bounds of play and there will be penalties. This is why I posted the statement earlier than almost all of the major players involved in this sordid little drama are in danger of getting banned. All of the fuckers may have committed EULA violations.
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You're right, this situation is clearly a zero-sum game where only one person can possibly be wrong.
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Because products of rulebreaking are removed. It doesn't matter if they knew the titans were stolen from account sharing or not, the titans need to be removed. It's not bullshit, because the new owners did NOTHING to get the titans except facilitate the EULA violation.
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For the window licker who downvoted this comment;b: 1he 2 —often used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <everyone knew="" where="" they="" stood="" —="" e.="" l.="" doctorow=""> <nobody has="" to="" go="" to="" school="" if="" they="" don't="" want="" to="" —="" n.="" y.="" times="">You're welcome.
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haha being unable to relate to metaphorical speech is so funny the loss of a internet spaceship game is totally comparable to physical violation in a hilarious fashion.Murder is not funny. Did i absolutely murder that bad cynabal pilot a few hours ago? Fuck yes i did. Stomping on someone is not funny. Did any side in any hypothetical spaceship battle got stomped on? Fuck yes they did.Killing is not funny. Are ships killed in eve all day long? Fuck yes they are. Owning a person in the sense of slavery is not funny...i think you can see where this is goingRape is not funny. Did Coven get raped by losing 4 titan accounts? Fuck yes, they wereDon´t be a hypocrite and make yourself look like an idiot. I doubt you speak like: "Hey guys, i totally removed the database entry of that guys ship from the eve servers."
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Looks like an inside job to me, i don't think CCP will like this.
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EULA and other things like this are just internal regulations of a company and have no bearing in polish court. There is a quite new law against "computer freud" (google: "art. 287 KK" and then translate it if you want) that already appliad to the number of MMO related cases. It doesn't matter if there was a hack or now. Even if the owner of an account (and owner is the one who pays for it, not CCP since no one care about EULA)would personally give login details to perpetrator he is still accountable for actions taken against his wishes. We are talking 3 months up to 5 years of jailtime here :P
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Here you can see a guy getting sentenced to 1 year jailtime (with 3 year probation period) for embezling 300$ worth of online goods in some shitty game. Said titans are worth up to 20k$ if you count with GPC prices.
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" ... gettting it formally reported to polish authorities..." - and right there is the problem with some of these nullsec corps / alliances. Taking this game WAY TOO seriously.
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Not true. Eve is real.Now I'm going to sue you for causing me emotional distress.
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Yeah C0VEN is so active with the three dudes they contribute to those brawls
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The loss of a single titan can break a corp or even a small alliance trying to remain relevant. I can understand them wanting justice. Involving the police is just idiotic, regardless of whatever precedent.
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Recently had a convo with EU lawyer about stuff like this. Their laws are based on a more stable history such as authors John Locke and Adam Smith imply. I would hesitate to say that CCP would ban these accounts based on EULA infringements. There is more to this than meets the eye, so to speak. The subject of virtual theft is a touchy feely thing. Depending on how it is done; in-game pillaging is part of the game but if it was done by "hacking" would fall under the local authorities. Anyways, something to think about. The original post may have been done "rashly" under duress without really knowing what/who/when was done. If you had lost 4 Titans worth ummm 1/4 of a trillian ISK, I may have to be hospitallized to recover my sanity. :-) just sayin'
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not true :-/ laws are different on virtual reality issues. You are making an assumption based on what you percieve "your" realities should be. And no, authorities will not "laugh" because of "real money" versus "ISK" can be shown. There have been cases even in the U.S. where virtual "hacks" have caused a loss in real dollars can be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law despite who owns what. :-)
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Space ships are not a problem. Accounts are. The capsules where SD which means, somebody logged in in those accounts... this can go as fat as identity theft in some places :)
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What if a coven guy is a cop? :P
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You dont get it. The eve online eula states unequivocally that everything ingame is owned by ccp. Not you, but ccp. You dont buy virtual money - you buy game time. Hence, you cant steal anything in RL terms. It all still belongs to ccp and nothing was stolen in RL.
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I cringe at the level of butthurt that would make someone think RL authorities will give a shit about you or your pixels.GG though.
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Iran says they don't want nuclear weapons, while the US says otherwise. Now which one makes more sense?
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Right but shared accounts are themselves a violation of the EULA. Your *not* allowed to share accounts.

Early this morning a thief reached into the C0VEN cookie jar and fished out four cookies - in the shape of titans. A source within the Polish alliance reported to me that the Executor, Xeovar Stoner, detailed the theft on their internal forums.

Tonight around 2am ET someone logged into all 4 COHO titan accounts, stole (or self destructed) titans, self-destructed pilot's capsules.

Petition made, we got IP address of the person who did the stealing – Poland (XX.XX.X.XX*).

Anyway, thats worth a lot RL money so we'll probably look into getting it formally reported to polish authorities – after all, recently someone was convicted for stealing WOW gear.

I hope the person who did the stealing enjoys his freedom... as long it lasts. - Xeovar Stoner

Turns out COHO is the holding corp for C0VEN. Normally holding corps have members that are alts of other corporations in the alliance to handle alliance wide affairs such as setting standings, station rights and paying bills. Perhaps it is due to my inexperience running an alliance, but I have never heard of titan pilots being in the holding corp as well.

There are several striking things that Xeovar Stoner says, how did they find the IP address? Why were titan pilots in the holding corp? How does he know exactly when the theft occured? Why does he bring up real life money? Why is he involving the Polish authorities over pixles? To add more confusion, Pawulonek responded with "ktos tu dostal premie za projekt c0ven", or: "anyone here got a bonus for the project"

What exactly is he implying?

Thankfully a source within NCdot has brought some clarity to the situation. A C0VEN pilot contacted NCdot and inquired if they had any pilots who could fly specific titans. They then informed them that there were four unpiloted C0VEN titans inside a POS which they had the password for. Once it was confirmed by a scout, four NCdot titan pilots made their way to the system, were given the POS password and jumped the titans home.

With so many questions surrounding the heist, it will be interesting to see what CCP and perhaps, even the Polish authorities turn up.

*in the spirit of keeping internet spaceship violence and real life violence seperate, I removed the IP address

I have been exploding internet spaceships since 2005. While I do love me a good large scale fight, I thoroughly enjoy small scale PvP as well.