EXE Bids Farewell to the HBC

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WTT DHD for Inquisitor Kitchner ktnx
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Disclaimer: I'm biased as shit being a "goon" both in the SA sense and being in GSF (though, not actual GW).That being said, I'm glad EXE came to their senses. The CFC really aren't the "bad guys" here. We didn't demand EXE give back their space like TEST did and we didn't start the hostilities like the HBC did. Haters gonna hate. The HBC is going to kill itself. You can't have that many people with that much hate towards other people and themselves and expect it to last.
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Huh. As far as I can tell, this wasn't posted to any part of the Test forums where the general membership can see it. It may have been posted to a leadership or diplomatic forum, but not general access.It's also been fairly well established that articles on TMDC are written, edited, approved and then entered in a queue to be published. Yet this was published on TMDC prior to it being known by anybody in Test (except for the possible leadership, that I can only speculate about).Not that this really means anything, but it's clear that Mittens was directly involved in the writing of this announcement, and quite likely had a great deal of influence in the making of the decision. Even if his influence just came in the form of suggestions or persuasions on timing.Again, it probably means nothing. But I find it curious nonetheless.
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A lill bit weird to see this signed by the Martini, and not by a the figurehead leader of EXE, at the end of this post....
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Look at dat spin. Exe weren't asked to give up their space in Fountain at all.they gave it up because they didn't want to be stuck in the middle of a test goon war where they wouldn't pick a side. Exe is literally Switzerland.
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they left the hbc months ago.should have just said we are reseting you bye.
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I don't know how this is being portrayed on the CFC side of the fence, but this isn't really a situation with any "bad guys" anywhere.The HBC was formed to accomplish a specific goal. It was formed hastily and without the cohesiveness that an entity like the CFC would have, given that the CFC evolved over a series of years, growing out of already existing friendships and alliances. As such, you're probably not entirely wrong, in that in a year from now the HBC will likely look much different from how it does now, if it's recognizable as the HBC at all. However, to say that the HBC is going to kill itself is still a bit premature.Regardless, it's unlikely things are going to get boring down in the south any time soon.
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classic meta... goons must be getting worried!
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EXE are still in the middle of it just by living in CR. EXE and TEST have a long and positive relationship. The simple no spin fact is they have drifted in different directions - no harm, no foul.
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It was posted in Coalition Discussion by Mo
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Test should drop the HBC and come back to Goons, HBC is a fail coalition.o/ Raideno/ PL CEO taking over HBCWe mis our old broski's and we miss your damn epic awesome ASCII ffs :)Seriously a coalition with so much hate versus and within itself will break faster then a coaltion made up from friends.HBC will not last to long...
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Just how many coalitions that Raidendot/FinFleet have played a part in have survived to this day?
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We were not forced to give the space back. It was a decision to avoid a later drama, because the relationship to Test is important to us as well as to the CFC. You can't survive in this game as a Switzerland, because you will end like Belgium in WW1 and WW2 . I
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Too many. They showed in the last weeks again nothing has changed. They are like in 2010 when IT died.
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Hey, hey, hey.... TEST wake up... FRIENDSHIP is the most important asset in this game. You gave it up to build a space empire that is now falling appart. But all is not lost. Behind the spin your kinpins developped, friendship between Dreddit and SA, TEST and Goon is still there... You guys share this common culture you are looking for. You will not find it within your coalition of renters, ex-BoBs & bitervets, but with your old goon friends... Now that you proven you can do it, lets do it together again.
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There is a big thread in Coalition Discussion started by Mo. the above article is a copy paste of Mo's OP.
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I could not agree more
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u mean goons want test bk bcos there scared of fighting the hbc
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It's a repost of Mo's announcement. It's literally Mittens reporting on what Mo said.
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tbh its good the hbc has individual barins were as goons just drink coolaid and only think whatever mittens taps into there heads
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Mixing your WW2 metaphors? I think the moderators should put their foot down with a strong hand on this.
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Everyone needs to follow his own path, and i think TEST and HBC want to get a piece of it.As a CFC grunt that enjoyed so long time to play with our TEST brosef and i wish them the best.The only thing that i can't really understand in their actual path, is this vision of creating artificial war against "friends" just because there is a lack of content.
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I'm afraid that we may be more informed than you, dear sir. You're welcome to continue to rage against the truth, but it is what it is.
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Between this comment and the one above it, certain demographics seem quite desperate to believe that this is 'spin' and 'lies'. If we actually did publish easily-contradicted spin or lies, we'd be in a good bit of trouble. However, given how our south null writers have been harassed for publishing the actual news coming out of the HBC (posting the literal truth inspired Montolio to create 'Damage Control', a HBC-only 'alternative' to this website), I'm happy to 'write' these c&p posts and allow your tinfoil nonsense to entertain the rest of our readership.
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DON'T WORRY MO' WE GOT YO BACK, DAWG
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Oh seven em eights. Having fought alongside you guys in just about every region in EVE, I will be sorry as fuck to see you guys go.EXE will forever be bro as fuck in my cold, spergy TEST heart.
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This reminds me of playing Civilisation. Towns ... err .. Alliances switching nationality because of cultural impact
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yes very much so
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The reason of leaving is quite different.HBC becomes what it never wanted to be - a renting coalition.PL ( currently on command have one of the biggest space for renting) ... and begin to "bend" other HBC alliances to accept this.Now even Tribe will begin to rent it space - after acquiring space from DICE and PWNY.Unclaimed/Claimed - again big renter alliance.Of course there is also issue with the Raiden, now after PL second in command in HBC.The true reason why EXE is leaving HBC is found in this post:Well, that is a byproduct of being in a coalition - especially one so new as the HBC, compared to CFC -.Unless you mean that Goons actually want to call FA and SMA allies and they are not there for political reasons (fill space, fleets, etc.).The Goons do actually respect the fact both SMA and FA turn up and mostly do what is required of them as a coalition member. You ask any goon member if SMA is full of pubbie fuck who are terrible and they will say yes, however they will also tell you how they respect the fact they turn up all the time.The CFC cuts people who don't add to the social cohesion of the group, if one of the members is sufficiently different in terms of attitude and play style, and unable to act in the way the rest of the coalition demands they are cut.I agree the HBC is new, and there will always be teething problems, but there are fundamental differences between the attitudes of member alliances (not just Raiden, I'm not singling anyone out) and that can't continue. The only reason it works in real life is that there are real consequences stopping you from beating you co-worker to death with a hole punch, whereas in EVE you can just do that.
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It's an oracle, an amarr battlecruiser used by people do dispute the superority of tornados.
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On one occasion, an fc had blueballs before the fleet was even formed. Tbf though it was an industrial (not battlebadger) fleet.
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Or Nagas for that matter. Tach ratting oracles o7
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I don't think getting ganked by PL counts as "TEST is farming goon ratters".
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Can't understand why EXE didn't just reset TEST already. Montolio took their best space and left them with cloud ring. They have no reason to keep up the relationship with the HBC and TEST. Stop pussyfooting around, reset TEST and say "We stand with the CFC now, because seriously, that was some low-dog shit Montolio did."
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As a member of the .EXE leadership team I can assure you, that whatever deluded world you guys seem to be on, there was no pressure from anyone within the CFC to do this. This happened primarily over the fallout of last week. The HBC was not something we were comfortable with, we remember the times of flying with TEST fondly, but the HBC is a different beast all together. As for remaining blue to Test and whether that will succeed, only time will tell. We shared a friendship with Test when we were both in Fountain, so the friendship will always be strong there. We wish the HBC well under its new structure.
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The spin here is subtle. Yes, Montolio had asked them to leave their space. Did they leave at that time? No. Does Montolio run test or the HBC at the moment? No. The only spin provided by The Mittani at the moment is trying to imply that the reason they left was because they were bullied out by Test (former) leadership rather than leaving for reasons all their own.Edit: I may been incorrect on the space moving. They may have moved from fountain to cloud ring. I'm a member of neither coalition so I'm viewing from the outside.
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Everything after "The Goons" is my post by the way on the Test forums, the bit starting with "Unless" and ending with the brackets is a question from a Raiden member to me.
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I don't think the CFC squads would be happy having to stop murdering TEST and pets either.
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Remind me again who said no supers will be deployed to fight HBC? mmmhmmm thought so... Keep licking up mittens drippings......
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The sky is falling!Really, there are two ways to define your "renter" jibberish: Either in the strict sense that someone is handing over ISK, or in the sense of the more complex idea of "pets" and hierarchy. The latter is mostly a conoction of a number of small variables that measure how you manage yourself (taking space, holding space, facing challenges, evaluating things you do on your own; organizing your pilots, when and how you use your coalition, or how you contribute to it etc.); it's a question of dependency. I guess it has shifted from "do they stand on their own?" to "would they be able to stand on their own?", since the realities of the game mean that no one who plays in sovspace stand on their own anymore.In this day and age of coalitions the vast majority of alliances in nullsec fall into the second category. There's less difference between TEST and Squee than you'd think in that regard. Them losing space probably have more to do with sparing their leadership the stress of having to deal with maintaining it properly than shitting on them (even though line-members may disagree) and TEST is no more or less important today, or after Shadoo "said no", than they've ever been. You may belive you have been more or less important, but that is not reflected by policy and rather what you are capable of.
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Looking at all the spaw postings my guess is that the TEST/pets posting with hate towards the CFC are either new players or the same old pile of shit players CFC has been fighting for years who have joined TEST cos nobody else would have them.
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Id love to know how you were involved in the handling of Exe handing back fountain sov. Tell me more!
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Wow, you are actually trying to intimidate people? TMC is getting more pathetic every day.
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Bob McBoberson raped and murdered a young boy the other day. Allegedly.
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Lol, dat objectivity.
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Check your killboards. Most of the top 10 killers in eve atm are getting 100% of their kills out of delve.
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How about you all unblue each other and have fun that way instead of being one giant clusterfack?Just a suggestion.
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fuck exe cowards
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Just how it is with moon distribution. Id CCP ever nerfs tech or moves to ring mining the CFC will have renters too.
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No, I'm not trying to intimidate you at all. I'm telling you that there are some really creepy people in GSF and that you should pretty much assume that you have no anonymity. In before you are revealed to be a penifsmash troll.
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TEST pilot here. The most fun I had in EVE was shooting *at* PL with our Goonbros at our side. Now for some twisted reason we're PL's buddies and you guys are red.Seriously, WTF? PL was in the unique position of being an enemy we respected and didn't hate. In other words, the perfect eternal foe. Spoiling that by blueing them was the biggest mistake TEST ever made.That said, you *are* severely underestimating how stable the HBC is. I just consider it a mistake to have picked new friends.
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Keep hating child It won't stop the bleeding of alliances.
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Go back to EN24~
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Just checking in to clarify that Montolio did not in fact ask us to give the fountain space back directly, he did however put us on the spot and ask us to chose a side in the, according to him, inevitable CFC/HBC war.He was of the opinion (or at least claimed to be) that even if the HBC would not invade, an attack by the CFC was inevitable and our Fountain space then would end up a beachhead in HBC space for the CFC.I did not agree with that analysis of the situation, but it left us with not much choice: either we could have sworn loyalty in a future war that we did not believe in, which would have been dishonest; or we could have refused, which in his mindset at the time would have been like chosing the CFC over the HBC. So instead we chose the third option and surrendered our space inside HBC territory.
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Goonswarm didn't have renters before they became tech rich, and The Mittani advocated against the master/pet relationship, identifying it with BoB and their 'coalition' of non-equals.
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nice propaganda! mittens never seen these guys in a fleet anyway fook off loser!
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Switzerland never gave up its land to stay out of a war. The other entities respected Switzerland enough to not make them give it up.
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You are quite honestly a fucking retard. Since when is purging inactive pilots a crime? How is it killing numbers, when they are already not playing the damn game? Also, Test has had a renter program for months, because we had to adapt to the way shit is.Do you have some magical way that the alliance could have funded the loses we have suffered, along with sov costs and fuel that you aren't sharing with us? I highly doubt it, and now you're whining because the alliance did what it had to to keep alive, to keep running.Test space has always, by the way, been a pve heaven for those who are smart enough to watch local and stay aligned, so there goes another dumbass, autistic fucking point you tried to make.I'd also like to know who killed our leadership? When was there a coup? When, at any time, was Mintolio asked to step down? He wasn't.Christ, so what is the plan now, hate on PL, one of the major reasons we are as successful as we stand today? If this viewpoint were common within Test, I'd call the HBC a bunch of pussies for not doing the right thing and resetting US.Yeah, so fuck you.
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Everyone is so afraid of shooting their 'friends' in this game. Why have friends if you can't shoot them and plan their demise? Someone needs to be the bigger person here and just pull the damn trigger. The person who is responsible for cleansing New Eden with fire, and destroying all of this concentrated wealth, would be an Eve hero for years to come.Besides, if you aren't willing to even seriously consider that, you are taking the game way too seriously.
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I hate to tell you, Asaki wasnt a HBC VS GOONS, it was a PL shit a brick because goons had the balls to counter drop them, bat phoned all of Eve with the phrase "kill goons" and the band wagon train left the station with everyone shouting woot, "Lets kill goons, woot, woot"And this is the other reason why null sec is one gigantic bore fest... If anyone has the balls to drop, they get counter droped by 10x the people, because people want that super kill, its all about whose bat phone list is bigger.
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Balls, idiocy, DBRB.One of these things is not like the other.
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Wow. Switzerland finally picks a side... Of course when it doesn't matter anymore.
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If it was flawless EXE would have their space and be in CFC and not in HBC.The space is now on the HBC side for the referenced GRR GOONS war.
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I'm not sure that this comment is particularly offensive, per se, but the grammar and eyebleed wounds me.
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You can also go back to EN24.
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FA Player here - it's fun to talk about bringing "freedom to Fountain" to release our Testbros from HBC madness but we don't really want to fight you. TEST is like a cousin you grew up and played int he mud as kids. Now they've grown up and started dating a series of manipulative skanks. Sure TEST's getting laid now and again but you worry that he might end up with AIDS and a set of naggy baby-mamas.
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70 caracals, yup bring 200 next time
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Im not surprised.In the middle of two large power blocks.The new HBC with its leadership problems, and full of former enemies that hate each other almost as much as they hate the CFC for putting them there.The CFC a long established close nit block of Allies, and a proven war winning record.To be honest a war with the CFC would mean defeat for the HBC on its internal issues alone.One cannot fight a long logistic war against a cohesive strong enemy while being devided.Dont hate on EXE leadership for making the right strat decision for their continued existance and the well being of their members.And CR is fun space to be in with its close prox to Syndicate, and the many very good smaller pvp groups that live there, as they are always up for fun small gang fights, and its close to HS to get the boats to lose in those smaller fun fights.Sure the isk may not be as good as other regions, but the fun makes up for that.
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Who gives a shit, EXE are turbo-bros who we love and bid farewell and good luck. We remain blue to them. Li3 were decent, but had a massive faggot as a leader and lost more than half the members. Please don't try spinning this anymore than mittens do. We got half your members and are very happy with them. You got slightly less shitty space but went from kinda-ally to straight up pet, o7m8.Also regarding the bleeding of alliances : ABOUT. FUCKING. TIME.
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STOP WAVING YOUR DICKS AROUND, IDIOTS
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God dammit, i'm agreeing with a goon.
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God, you are thick.
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kick thorn, get alphastar into dreddit
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Most of us had more fun shooting at FA alongside PL in Delve, then going on a magical tour of the universe that winter.
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You don't get it? This is not about how shitty they are but what is happening to HBC. When we begin our journey we where fighting people that acted like HBC now. We where fighting with -A-, and ROL for the things that they represented by them self. And now -A-/ROL corps all over the HBC - the same structure, the same command , the same culture - they are taking over the HBC, well they already did this. The HBC culture is their culture now. We as a test - cannot do any thing. We , the almighty Reddit , MUST accept what RAIDEN want, and PL say.Reddit - the part that started this thing, is dead, unhappy, not logging, angry - and on a verge to be purged. Do you think we are still capable of doing something? Command have changed - and they keep the "disband/kick" button - just to remind you.They agree to this big shit that is happening all over the HBC. Like most of my friends PL is now capable to do the same with us like they did with ROL if we even try to leave HBC. Block stations/ drop Sov and PL/Raiden supers all over the systems hitting the stations. Of course this will just to kill the baddies.Check how many contracts are on private JF corps - just to move as much as possible from sov space. People leave some ratting ship/ few talwars for "true reddit pvp".I think our next deployment - will be to defend ROL/PL renting space. WTF happen to us.
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Read the repply to Noisrevbus post if you still don't get it .If you are some "new addition" without any knowledge of our history - try to google some.And remember if you loose a ratting ship - PL will pay you for it - because they are the NICE guys.Please don't go to Raiden space , it is private now , they received it from us, and rest took from Thorn. They can do every thing they want , we don't have nothing to say.
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That's the video he posted in the op on the forums haha.
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CFC: lets get EXE their space back.

The following announcement was posted by Mo'chuisle, leader of Executive Outcomes, on the TEST forums on March 25th; Executive Outcomes will be resetting standings with the HBC as a whole on Wednesday March 27th. EXE has long held a somewhat unusual position, placed between the HBC and the CFC by holding Cloud Ring, and were asked to give up their space in Fountain by Montolio, former leader of TEST,  allegedly because of their divided loyalties. 

Some 18 months ago, Montolio offered us a place in Fountain. We chose to accept the offer because we believed in TESTs vision and attitude for what having fun in eve should look like. The following months were some of the most fun we’ve had in eve, and we’ve been around for 7 years now, so this is not just talking some bullshit fluff.

Whether it was fighting with the uppity natives in fountain, helping clean up messes some of the more unstable other fountain residents left behind (cough bdeal cough), nightly tower rep sessions with Beffah. and combined carrier fleets, or just faceplanting into a wall of unnerfed titans and supers in Vale, success or not, it was all great fun.

At the end of the vale campaign things started to grow apart though. Before the campaign, we’d told Montolio that if Vale would not work out (which many people predicted ) we were not interested in leaving the war completely and doing something completely seperate. Eve is a game, and grudges are fun if you get to act on it. Just look at all the GRRR GOON feelings currently in the HBC. However, our grudge was with the “new north”, not the CFC. So instead of going to geminate with you guys and working with the people we wanted to shoot, we joined the CFC campaign in Tribute and beyond.

There was a short moment afterwards where it looked like we’d grow together again. Delve/Querious/Period Basis was being grinded, everyone was getting involved, things were happy again. However, at the end of it, the HBC was born.

We’ve never really been on board with the direction the HBC has taken. Probably to prepare for the ultimate GRRR GOON war, a ton of people were taken on board. Some of them we merely didn’t get to know, and I am sure they are great dudes. Others are people that we have so much history with that you’ll have to grant us having our own opinion on them, and it’s not positive. In the end, we really only have a relationship with TEST, and it predates the HBC.

The HBC coalition of today is so very much different from what we experienced in the little fountain coalition back when we joined. You may say that you’ve done some growing up, and maybe you are right. I just know that back then, even the most retarded fuck ups were mostly met by the :dawww: face and everyone pulled together to help out. Nowadays, you have your own renter emporium on the one hand and your own leadership lecturing your allies about having “renter attitude” on the other. You have some allies, who were not even around for the grind in D/Q/PB until long after the war was won, take that space and lecture other allies about their importance and their contributions. Maybe it’s the curse of Delve, but to us, the attitude and atmosphere in the HBC does not look anything like what made us join you guys in the first place.

In any case, we have been good stewards of yours in Fountain, we’ve not created you guys any drama, the capcommand crew can attest that we were always willing to help out firefight at home, even if we were deployed elswhere, and we never needed bailing out like many of the other failed fountain allies. We’re thankful for the opportunity you guys gave you, but we already handed all our space back to you when the great GRRR GOON war plans were still going full steam, so now it’s time for us to go so long and thanks for all the fish!

We will reset the HBC on wednesday at downtime. We still love our TEST bros and we will keep standings between just EXE and TEST, and you will not see us at the spearhead of a new GRRR TEST movement in the CFC.

 Update: There has been some controversy in the comments about the first paragraph of this piece, regarding whether or not EXE was 'asked' by Montolio to give up their Fountain space to TEST. Mo'chuisle has offered the following clarification, which we reprint here in full: 

Just checking in to clarify that Montolio did not in fact ask us to give the fountain space back directly, he did however put us on the spot and ask us to chose a side in the, according to him, inevitable CFC/HBC war.He was of the opinion (or at least claimed to be) that even if the HBC would not invade, an attack by the CFC was inevitable and our Fountain space then would end up a beachhead in HBC space for the CFC.

I did not agree with that analysis of the situation, but it left us with not much choice: either we could have sworn loyalty in a future war that we did not believe in, which would have been dishonest; or we could have refused, which with in his mindset at the time would have been like chosing the CFC over the HBC. So instead we chose the third option and surrendered our space inside HBC territory.

 

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