Ev0ke Out of Faction Warfare

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Faction Warfare is like being an employee (for an NPC overlord), while nullsec is more for entrepreneurs. Nothing wrong with FW, but I really like to see Ev0ke back in the null party again soon.
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All things considered faction warfare isn't any more pointless than 0.0 or other parts of the game. That said, it is a kind of eve light. If it wasn't the faction warfare guys would have a capital fleet to rival PL and wallet to go along with it. In any case, trying to haul 0.0 residents into it is a mistake. It might make for a very short vacation, but in the end if they had wanted to be lowsec militamen the membership would not have joined a 0.0 alliance in the first place.
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Reads like a Gallente propaganda piece.
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I find it hilarious that this Gallente sockpuppet has the need to write an article about every little thing happening in Caldari militia as some hilarious achievement for his own side. What's next? Someone loses a cruiser to a frigate and you are going to blow your load over it and make it a new version of "Triumph of the Will" ?
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awwwwwww is damar mad caldaris "saviours" have left?
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tl;drThe general consensus from our sources in Cal Mil is that the loss of Ev0ke isn't a big loss at all, as they were never really seen to be key contributors to any general militia efforts.
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Koeta nyt Damar vähän rauhottua :D
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EVE-O Forum ban really getting to ya drama. Nothing is stopping you from getting off your abnormally fat arse and writing an article yourself.
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Nothing wrong with FW.I could argue that 0.0 is for scrubs. All you have to do is anchor and F1 on the latest broadcast. But that would just be unfair because there is so much more than that.Perhaps the idea that FW is for the 'minor leagues' is because the assets that are on the line in 0.0 warfare are much higher, therefore requires more commitment. Assets like moons, POSes, fuel, stations, infrastructure and most of all: TIME.In the end, all facets of PVP in eve has it's advanced perspectives as well as it's basic ones. Those who think one particular facet is 'scrub' is the scrub himself.
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While speaking with the Caldari, it was fairly obvious that the passing of Ev0ke's time in FW was not a big deal for them. For the Gallente this was a pretty huge deal as it freed up a lot of assets to help deal with the new surge coming out of Enaluri.On a side note, after talking with some new friends in Cal Mil I was told the story of why you're so angry all the time. I was thinking about doing a profile piece on you. Are you up for an interview?
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pilot this is a pretty good indication of how the plexing mechanics are broken - hours and hours work offensively plexing can be undone by 2-3 guys with an army of defensive plexing alts who can run down plexes for the 12 hours that the attackers are offline - it also proves the point that being unemployed gives you a huge advantage in eve online. this 3 man army Is actually a fairly unhealthy group of players well known for taking the game too seriousily along with val erian another well known rage monster and their army of boosting and plexing alts. A lot of players are leaving fw atm because the fight is meaningless and comes down to who has the most unemployed players. The farming of fw lp's has been overrun by farming alts who have dropped the lp value to the point where the people actually fighting are being affected.Fw is a great place to train - but its lost its meaning - those that stay are generally pilots with big histories in fw who would be just another pilot in any other group - that's why they stay, it's all about the ego's. being able to fly around with high grade implants and booster alts whilst kiting a cruiser to death in a frig thats sensor damped to death isn't leet pvp although many in fw seem to think it is
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I would read it.
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Shout out for the 3rd member of LVLUP, Dzajic, without who's efforts & intel this (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_re... might not have happened to help turn the tide. o/
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I'd rather have my toenails pulled out with tweezers than participate willingly in Gallente/Goon propaganda.
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Protection from what, zee Germans?
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eJoke still alive?
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ev0ke can't live in FW anymore - we loss to much numbers because we hate those small ships.We have decided to claim CR back - kicking goon pets (IT) Asses back to highsec and after that we destroy the goons again.
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Goonswarm: Now caring enough about faction warfare to print propaganda about it.
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okay
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Hope you get it, man.And I hope that ev0ke can regroup and come back as the fucking fearsome 0,0 alliance it once was.Your selling of moons and space to CFC won't be easily forgotten, though.
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You mean this website is not dedicated to Goon propaganda? How silly of me to think so, right?
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Ev0ke dissapointed a lot of people, including year long allies and their own pvp-memberbase, when they decided to stay out of the war between CFC and N3. For what? For a few more months worth of tech-income. Ev0ke would've made a tremendous impact on that war considering how close it was, despite the massive numerical advantage in favour of CFC.The fact that many former Ev0ke members are now indeed in NCdot corps speaks for itself.
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Well there's no way for corps to tax pilots LP or there could be such things as ship replacement and cap programs (and therefor bigger entity's), as it is there's some rich people in FW but not rich corps or alliances, this really needs to change, or there will never be progression from good fw corp to sov holding corp imho.But saying that most people in FW don't want faggy structure bashing and little 13 y/o hitlers running around barking orders hence why they are in FW and not null.
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If only my posting self esteem would let me say "you mad?" just this one time, damn!!!
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And again, just a wall of Shit =D Seriously you think a "3 men corp" can hold back ANYTHING that can bring more than 5 people to fight? come on... stop writing bullshit...
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I am wondering, why everybody says that the loss of Ev0ke isn't a big loss at all, but since they stopped to fight in FW, suddenly over 15 Caldari systems are vulnerable...
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So? Propaganda makes this game fun.
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I have personally witnessed a 3 man gang go head on against 12 and come away victorious. Stranger things have happened in eve than this, but more importantly, as I said on several occasions, LVLUP had help, its just that they were the only ones actually living and breathing nothing but Eha during this time.
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Why are you reading the Goon propaganda site? Aren't you afraid of being infected with the prop?
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I don't understand why "meaningless" gains are a downside in FW. Isn't it supposed to be endless warfare by design?
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It tends to be a series of short term goals that groups set about to accomplish, such as in this case, take a system. Once you accomplish that goal you move on to the next one. Maybe after you take a system, you don't bother to hold it, and it gets taken back. A lot can happen, but when you set a goal and don't accomplish it, that's when no gain happens.
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Guerrilla warfare is a much more effective tactic in FW over Sov warfare for sure. As an attacking force its not enough to win some fights, you practically need to put a system in lock down.
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Damn Marcel... When you say it like that you make it sound like an STD.
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Your more than welcome to come back and fight us again. I enjoyed our bouts in Syndicate last time. Ready for round two?
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Get therapy, Damar. Your behaviour shows how miserable you are and how desperately you need psychological help. It's very bad for you to be playing this game if it makes you this upset.
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The problem with FW on a whole is it's contingency on PvE and Time Zone control. The people pushing plexes the hardest, typically are not the people that are out and about plexing to get fights.You can plex all you want in your dominant timezone, only to have all the work undone by a later timezone; and it doesn't generate the kind of fights most long term null pilots have become accustomed to. It's further compounded by the fact that in the 1.1 Plex rebalance, 'Large' plexes are exceedingly rare for some odd reason, and your 50m+ SP Pilots will quickly get tired of frig/af/destroyer gangs.Defending a system is tedious and boring, when you can just let the opposing side capture it, and flip it back later. The war pendulum swings are based more on ISK:LP fluctuations than a PvP-dominance on any side of the warzone (as the farmers move back and forth between the warzone maximizing their cashouts).To truly have fun with FW, don't join a militia and shoot everyone.
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Nice piece FB - almost discursive. ;)A wise person once said that there are three sides to every story - his, hers and the truth.Would love to hear from an Evoke member or three about their experiences of faction warfare. Why they came, how they found it, how they adapted, why they left. As has already been said, with varying levels of diatribe in the comments here, null-sec entities come and go but most appear to struggle and few prosper.
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Put on your tinfoil hats boys, the IlluMittani are at it again! Thank you, Damar, for denouncing this diabolical demagogue, and upholding the honor of all free Caldari Provists everywhere!**re: you're an idiot, also GS is pro-Caldari iirc, not that it matters because you're an idiot and there's no goon propaganda
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I hope you get killed storming Cardassian Central Command.
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First of all, it is in fact true that three guys from LVLUP and one from Moira. (Calhdazar) who moved to Eha were the underlying reason why Eha was defended. While they couldn't match Ev0ke numbers, they harassed them constantly and to great effect so Ev0ke plexing efficiency wasn't all that good. I don't know how you imagine lvlup guys could have been only "catching noobs in non EU-TZ" when all of them are that very tz :-/. Also, their kb says enough about whom they were fighting and killing so don't talk silly stuff. Help provided by JustK and few other gal entities (e.g. Azure Horizon, sorry if I missed someone) resulted in fleets which could try and take evoke heads on every once in a while + they helped a lot with US-TZ coverage in deplexing. Eventually, fight for Eha turned into a sov seesaw with a lot of small skirmishes taking place there. I have no idea if there was a CTA in evoke, but you didn't really need CTA for whole alliance when, during evoke prime time, they constantly had 2-3 times our numbers in system. Also, if setting two PoS-es in system, full with replacement ships, having corp plexing fleets for month and a half day in, day out, does not indicate commitment to take the system, I'm not sure what does.Finally, I have no idea what makes you think praz took his break due to 'boredom' or evoke as such, or at he 'quit eve' for what matters.
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Rank: Brigadier General/Legatus CommodoreSPACE BRIGADIER DAMAR! COMMODORE ROCARION!Just, wow.
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Really? So your article basically claims that 3 guys held off ev0ke? Dream the fuck on. We were fighting ourselves retarded in Pegeler, and had many expensive BS and T3 clashes attempting to break ev0ke's 24/7 Oulley-Aubenall gate camp whenever we had the chance... and those fuckers kept carriers parked in Oulley, so that shit was crazy. To say the line was drawn at Eha was a gross over simplification.
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Where the logic you have is flawed, is in assuming that plexing is a PVE activity. Every part of FW is designed with PVP in mind, even the missions, which are the most PVE aspect of it, leave a beacon open in system that anyone can warp to and disrupt the party without need for even an on board scanner. Sure, you've got a few guys in cloaked or stabbed (and sometimes both) ships, and they're hard to catch, but for the dedicated, their killboards are filled with those ships killed.Lastly, militias are bigger than any single corp or alliance, and timezones *shouldn't* matter. If they did, gallente would not have taken the whole zone at the beginning of January, because the caldari would have been plexing like fiends in the off time. Places like Eha, OMS, and Rakapas were an absolute bitch to capture, not because of long boring stretches of PVE, but because it took the ENTIRE militia to basically put the whole system in lockdown for 18+ hours a day, and everyone was on board. Ev0ke's biggest mistake here was thinking they could do this alone. Had they asked for help, they would have gotten it, but they didn't, and in the end, they didn't TAKE Eha for the exact same reasons the Caldari couldn't HOLD a single system that the Gallente attacked all through December and into early January. One militia has a very large group of pilots who trust and respect each other and work together, and the other does not.Not having coverage outside your timezone is not an excuse. The mechanics were changed when station lockouts became a thing for the exact reason that CCP DIDN'T want a system to be able to be flipped quickly while you were sleeping, that everyone would have a chance to actively defend, and attack it, and if you are unopposed, it should take you about 2 days of constant pressure to flip a system, and longer if you are resisted.
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3 guys with help. I've talked to too many people who have confirmed their role in this to doubt it, and their kill board records speak for themselves. I'll refer you to this other comment posted by spirit_of_garan:"First of all, it is in fact true that three guys from LVLUP and one from Moira. (Calhdazar) who moved to Eha were the underlying reason why Eha was defended. While they couldn't match Ev0ke numbers, they harassed them constantly and to great effect so Ev0ke plexing efficiency wasn't all that good. I don't know how you imagine lvlup guys could have been only "catching noobs in non EU-TZ" when all of them are that very tz :-/. Also, their kb says enough about whom they were fighting and killing so don't talk silly stuff. Help provided by JustK and few other gal entities (e.g. Azure Horizon, sorry if I missed someone) resulted in fleets which could try and take evoke heads on every once in a while + they helped a lot with US-TZ coverage in deplexing. Eventually, fight for Eha turned into a sov seesaw with a lot of small skirmishes taking place there. I have no idea if there was a CTA in evoke, but you didn't really need CTA for whole alliance when, during evoke prime time, they constantly had 2-3 times our numbers in system. Also, if setting two PoS-es in system, full with replacement ships, having corp plexing fleets for month and a half day in, day out, does not indicate commitment to take the system, I'm not sure what does.Finally, I have no idea what makes you think praz took his break due to 'boredom' or evoke as such, or at he 'quit eve' for what matters."
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They actually commented in here somewhere. Said they hated fighting small ships, and plan to focus on taking back cloud ring.
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Why anyone would want CR is beyond me.
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Actually, assuming that everyone in a FW Plex is interested in PvP is literally as foolish as believing FW Missions generate PvP content, sure it's possible to catch the occasional baddie in a Tengu, but most of the runners themselves fly Bombers, which outside of a bit of luck and an extensive gate camp you will never catch. Pointing out however that their killboards are riddled with these kind of losses is also just as foolish as the LP they can pull down from Minmatar Tier 5 right now will rapidly replace anything they lose in a matter of minutes.Of course, Faction Warfare in itself was designed to push PvP, that however doesn't mean the active playerbase hasn't find away to bend it to their isk printing needs; for every person in FW currently looking for just the PvP there are scores that are just in it for relatively risk-free money making, it happened all summer, it's happening now.Saying that Time Zone control isn't a thing is just flat out retarded, while sure you have a militia that is seemingly 'behind you' the amount of infighting that goes on in Militia chat is actually more hostile than local exchanges between war targets. The average FW group is pretty small, numbering between 20- 40 people, smattered across whatever timezone, if they come across a force bigger than them, help from the actual militia itself is going to be difficult, most people are super paranoid about spies, and sharing comms between relatively unknown 'friendlies' is something that doesn't happen.Your personal opinions on FW actually is, seems to based solely on the interpretation you might have gotten from reading the wiki, and not actually participating in FW itself. It's caustic, unfriendly and typically Corps/Alliances have more squabbles over 'LP Stealing' that make future relationships rocky before they ever had a chance to be established.
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fought evoke since i stepped in null sec two years ago, was about the same time when they issued and eviction notice to all of pure blind residents ... but i don't hate them, they always been an honorable foe, hope they recover
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Actually I'm VERY active in FW, and my experiences seem to be far different from yours. I work in a group of SEVERAL alliances and corps, and the general view is that spies bring fights. The infighting nearly never happens, and people are quite willing to help one another out. I would say this group runs in the hundreds of active pilots, not 20-40.I run into far more pvpers than plex alts, but then I also don't go chasing action in the backwater places where I know that no one willing to fight will be flying. I know where my enemy lives and will bring the fights to him whenever possible and whenever he is not actively trying to attack someplace that's important to me. When I do not have WTs to shoot, there are dozens of pies flying blinged out loot pinatas, and then the big null blocs love to send roaming gangs through my space as well. There is ALWAYS action to be had.I would go further to say that your interpretations on FW are based on forum whines and bittervet blog postings you might read, because you are certainly not looking for action in FW, or if you are, your friends suck and you should find new ones. A chimpanzee with half a brain could find a fight out here within minutes if he had the will to fight. I wasn't even on for an hour tonight and bagged 12 kills, and lost a suicide tackle ship web/scramming a 750m isk Cynabal. The 415m isk of loot was a very nice nightcap. Maybe you should try a little harder.
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I suppose the Caldari/Gallente side of things have radically changed in the past months, August-November it was everything I illustrated it as; Most of my reflection was based on the Amarr/Minmatar side of the house, and from what I am told by the people I am still in contact with- it's much the same on the C/G side.
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I dont doubt that 3 people worked hard to defend Eha... but to act like there werent hundreds of other GalMil keeping them bogged down all over the region is just silly, not to mention we easily had 15-20 galmil in eha at any given time, which makes deplexing.. simplistic. I know for a lot of people the line was drawn in Pegeler, ev0ke was staging out of Oulley so that was their pipe from hisec.. Several large Gal corps set up shop in Eugales (and ev0ke friends built some POS too).The real reason ev0ke lost was because they depend on their backup too much. Any time enemy would show up, ev0ke would blob up. Maybe that works in null, but in FW it just means you're blobbed up in one system or plex while we're split up running the 5 other ones they were ignoring.Now that ev0kes gone gallente will sweep the field again, they were the only significant factor Caldari had. I wont miss their 45 man AHAC fleets, thats for sure.
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I still have no idea how FW works
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Well I'm getting a lot of fights in EU tz on the amarr side of things and the community of long time loyalists is pretty close knit and friendly.If you join a corp with a good reputation, pull your own weight and contribute to the fight then you should have a great time!
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Sounds like someone failed horribly at faction warfare lol, i know who you are sir and you are quite the "known" fail-skating loser that lost many ship to the most stupidest of reasons(don't warp into 2 atrons without a web on your cruiser moron!)lol anyways nice try but everyone knows your a joke,only the big boys stay around when the going gets tough!learn from us Ex FW Pilot, hows ejoke?
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hey everyone! i am a retard that hasnt ever been in factionwarfare and is a null-bitter-vet that never gets fight,i hate everyone!!!!!
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Xolve is a totally lair!!! funny how i have 300 solo killls for the month,what do you have xolve?what fights you get? 3 carriers kills that gave you one hour of fighting and 3 weeks on waiting for your FC to tell your titan to jump you? but i seriously i get a fight eevery 15 minutes in fw,just dont fly around battlecruisers and tech 3 because who the fuck wants to solo that when your in a dessie or frig,sounds like someone listen's to failed faction pilots way to much =P,remember Xolve!! knowledge is power,go plug yourself into the wall-jack for the sake of others
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lol damarr is known to be on the"heartattack before 40" list,kinda known as a little bitch too,haven't met one person that likes the guy yet,what a awesome way to live,his family much cherish him.....
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hahahaha true that my friend!!!!!
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backstabber never die :(
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Stop being a sore loser and participate in the interview.
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the 2 months i spent in FW with GAllente, EV0KE was a joke. We killed everyone that came through Nisuwa. Like most alliances coming from nullsec, they can't fight unless they are in a group. they cant do small gang pvp, which is what FW thrives on. They are just bad at PVP.. its why they abandoned their rented space when we took it last fall.
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Everyone moved bases for an offensive knowing many of those systems would fall due to the move.It's no secret. It's happened before and will happen again. Nothing to do with Evoke.Evoke would have 15 people in one plex while there were 4 plexs spawned in empty(no wt's) systems. So they made very little progress.No one is gonna miss them. They quickly learned that they are nobodies in low sec and not to get in my way 1st day in FW. Never heard peep from them after that.I guess they will be back to smartbombing rookie ships in stabbed ROKH's and other forms of 'leet pvp'.
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You're entitled to your own opinion mate, I just experienced things in a completely different light apparently.The idea of 'sov' for faction warfare is still as pointless as it ever was; nobody hits Tier 4-5 because of good coordination, you hit that shit because farmers want to make the best LP:ISK ratio. One can only imagine how quickly my point will be illustrated when Oddysey goes live and Faction Battlecruisers hit the market.

"Most 0.0 alliances who enter FW don't have the stomach to stay in it long term most likely because of pride and the perception that FW is the minor leagues.” -X Gallentius

Faction Warfare. A haven for PVP scrubs, and failed 0.0 Alliances trying to get back on their feet. You heard it here first!

In all reality, that is a fairly common perception of FW for those on the outside looking in, especially when the majority of what comes out of the mouths of people talking about FW is about stabbed cloaky plex ships running from anything that moves. It's a farmer's haven, full of a different sort of carebear, and if the people in FW were actually any good, they'd be out in null plying their trade for the big boys, not mucking about in the kiddie pool, right? Well, that's one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it, is that the core groups in any of the FW militias are made up of very experienced small gang and fleet PVPers who have nothing on their plates all day but looking for “gud fites” and getting into one scrap after another. It's arguable, that your average FW veteran in any of the main corps or alliances sees more action in a couple of days than many null pilots see in a week. Said Uncle Irow, a Caldari pilot involved in the ongoing campaign against Nennamaila, “Basically if you want a fight in this area, just undock and you can find one.” ...Or it'll find you in fairly short order.

Ev0ke's entry into FW came at a fortuitous time for the Caldari. They officially became a part of their militia the same day that the Gallente capped full 100% control of the warzone. They made their entrance in the far Northwest of the map making their beachhead in Okagaiken, one of 2 entries into the war zone from Cloud Ring. From there, they quickly pushed east. The Gallente militia, nearly burnt to a cinder from over a month of solid plexing, did not have the will or the means to counter plex so far from their core systems, but groups such as Samurai Pizza Cats <SPCA.> spent a good deal of time in the area looking for fights, and getting some.

Early on, it was decided in core Gal Mil leadership circles that a line would need to be drawn in the sand before Ev0ke was able to get too close to the core systems and assault them directly. At the time, Ev0ke was sitting at about 800 members, and the task was thought to be a daunting one. Based on previous experience in having an absolute bitch of a time taking the system from the Caldari, that line was drawn up in the system Eha. Someone would need to move there to man the light house, and 3 man corporation Level Up [LVLUP] stepped forward to take the charge with pledged support from Justified Chaos [JUSTK] 2 jumps away in Vlillirier.

Both Ev0ke and the rest of the Caldari Militia began a savage offensive all through January and into February, taking back most of the war zone, even sacking the Gallente core system of Heydieles.

It was mid February when the first Ev0ke sightings began to be reported in Eha, with the full offensive hitting on February 20th. At the time, other Cal Mil entities also staged major offensives in 2 other parts of the war zone, the full story can be found here.

Despite the failures of the other attacks on Gal Mil home systems, Ev0ke's assault on Eha went on well into March, only faltering a few days before their departure from FW during downtime of the 28th. 5 weeks of constant pressure, and the system did not fall.

Initially, Gal Mil's experience in plex warfare gave them an edge. FW plex fighting is a very different affair from how things are typically settled out in nullsec, and Ev0ke were either unprepared for it, or they underestimated their opponents gravely. Eventually Ev0ke began to adapt and learn from their opponents, and things degenerated for the Gallente to the point where they could no longer hold a medium plex from Ev0ke if they were determined to take it.

LVLUP pilots praznimrak (known locally as “The Lion of Eha”) and Killer Rasta bore the brunt of the defensive duties like Spartans, and did their best to force Ev0ke to “ball up” instead of allowing them to take multiple plexes at a time, using hit and run tactics to pick off stragglers, and exploit weaknesses wherever they were found. LVLUP was also not alone, and received promised help from JUSTK, and several other Gal Mil entities whenever they could spare pilots and ships. The Eha campaign quickly degenerated into a war of attrition, with Ev0ke running up the contested percentage during EU prime time, and the Gallente running it back down over night with some skirmishes in the overlaps between. Weekends were especially hairy, seeing much fighting, and Ev0ke taking the majority of medium plexes, and the Gallente taking most of the small and novice plexes.

Ev0ke's offensive effort in Eha for little to no gain cost them more than just a few ships and mods. At the beginning of the assault more than 600 pilots carried an Ev0ke alliance tag (less than 1/3 of what they had during their Sov holding days last year) and after being bogged down for 5 weeks, those numbers dwindled to the 465 remaining pilots they now have as they leave the Caldari militia.

Had Ev0ke asked for and received help from the rest of their militia, things may have turned out differently. In speaking with a few members of Cal Mil, it was made plain that Ev0ke hardly had any contact at all with the rest of their militia, and thoughts on this range anywhere from Ev0ke simply thinking themselves above the rest of Cal Mil, to not having enough English speakers to communicate effectively. The general consensus from our sources in Cal Mil is that the loss of Ev0ke isn't a big loss at all, as they were never really seen to be key contributors to any general militia efforts. Either way you slice it, in the end a 3 man corporation (with a little help from their friends) was able to hold the line against an alliance 200 times their size, and possibly force an earlier than planned exit from Faction Warfare. King Leonidas would be proud.

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