Euro Fights In Delve: The Talwar Massacre

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I remember the IRC coat-hangering op a couple months back. The bombers opened the fight against our rokh alphafleet with void bombs. As one of the rokh pilots, I can attest to the devestating effect this had on the beginning of the fight. No guns and no hardeners for several minutes as a heated cap injector struggled to catch up again. Voids would've been great against their recons (who puts injectors on a recon?) and might've allowed our anchor to close range.Basically, voids are awesome.
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Only a month ago, it was all, "Omg TEST doesn't need an MJD doctrine."I guess they haven't really been tested yet. I'm looking forward to how Dingo flies them in more animated combat.
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This reads somewhat like a poorly written AAR for a fight that few care a lot about.... I'm sure TMDC writers get in a few fights but do we need to hear about them?
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DIDNT WANT THAT FLEET ANYWAY
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Talwars can work to at least win the ISK war if used right. It was narrow win (in my opinion) but a win none the less. This was recently demonstrated by LAWN here: http://kb.lawnalliance.org/?a=...
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Relatively serious combat between TEST/Tribe and the CFC? With how unstable the southwest has been lately, I think this probably qualifies as one of the most important brawls of this week.
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Kcolor is a god amongst men.
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Well im for one glad the author of the article sees what they are doing in the south for what it is, not TEST ARE RUINING OUR ABILITY TO BLOB RAIDEN. TBH i was in both fights on the RDN side and the USTZ engagement was actually a pretty hair raising experience. Each side had just enough to make the other extremely hesitant to make the first move.The Goon/some CFC tengu fleet was pretty solid comp wise good tengu numbers, heavy on the logi. Test rokh fleet was a bit shy on rokh numbers, but compensated with superb logi numbers and great antibomber support. The RDN loki fleet was a solid comp for its size, but unable to push the fight due to its limited size. All in all it was around 125ish RDN/Test vs 100ish Goons/CFC tag alongs (saw an sma or 2 li3 ect). In all honesty a pretty rare occurrence in eve. For not much actual fighting it actually kept me on the edge of my seat for the 2 hours on field. The only thing that semi ruined it was seeing the CFC broadcast that looked an aweful lot like a butthurt individual who was mad they didn't get to have 5 to 1 on the RDN fleet.
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Oh massacre massacre it was just a pop, 200 ships x 15 mil thats mere 3 bil. We as TEST can do better than this single-handedly when we lose our pimped ratting carriers one person can lose more than that! This news is no news sir!
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Local was at 280 and there wereonly 80-90 of us in the goon fleet. 200 rdn/test vs 100 goons is probably closer.
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Our numbers were right around 80-90. This was a lot of fun, for a logi, keeping up reps while the two forces stared eachother down. The FC's were working on a plan to engage without letting the support (logi&webs) get sucked into the bubble, but then our booster got popped, and it was over. Had they not popped our booster, there would have been a real fight. All in all though it was a fun fleet to be in.
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If you were up against IRC, then most likely that bomber fleet which screwed you over was the work of the EVE Protection Agency corp. I know this because I used to fly with those guys before I took a hiatus from EVE (They were one of the decent corps in IRC at the time). One of the most amazing moments I had with them was seeing a whole Abaddon fleet (with logi) pretty much get hamstrung by like 8 bombers (I was one of them). Void bombs in, warp around and back to spots, wait for more orders whilst IRC's Mael fleet warps in and noms on tasty Abaddons. I spent the rest of the op just eating popcorn and watching a beautiful slaughter...Unfortunately with IRC, those 8 bombers were mostly EPA corp members. Out of 25 or so non-EPA pilots who volunteered, almost none even bothered to train for void bombs. This was after a few meetings when the EPA CEO made sure to make note to the rest of the alliance that those who wanted in on the covert ops fleets had to train for at least that much.In other OPs, we had even worse turn-outs for the covert ops fleets when void bombs were called for. And in one, one of the volunteers used a lockbreaker bomb... This isn't to say some of the other shenanigans that went on with the standard fleets.So the moral of the story is (aka, tl;dr), a good bomber wing/fleet is a scary scary thing in the right hands. That, and IRC imploding was just a matter of time. Oh how I did facepalm that day when I read the news...
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Half of our numbers were instacanes and frigs. We had maybe 30 Rokhs, which is sad. It was an even fight.
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I'll switch effects on this time - I wasn't expecting 100 Talwar's to die in one bombing run.
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Euro supremacy
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This just is: TEST has just taken the title"SMA of the South" from Tribe, More news at 11.
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They suck shit against void bombs.
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Any compelling news related to interesting battle reports, videos, and stuff like that is considered.
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Cool video other than the SHITTY UI BLOCKING OUT THE WHOLE FUCKING BOMBING RUN. Thanks for doing a write up on this compelling skirmish.
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tengu fleet scared of talwars... only cfc
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I clicked the video just for the picture. Yes, it is sad.
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150 to 170 talwars (I would need to find back the scan) can potentially alpha pretty much all the support ships that were with the Tengu fleet (especially as a lot of them are t1 hulls), so they had good reason to be worried
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Note: "In the Long run" - my anecdote was on a fight that didn't last that long and the bomber wing was ready at any time to redeploy the void bombs but it wasn't needed. Plus, this occurred about 6-8 months before anyone started taking IRC half seriously in terms of engagements (hence, the beginning of said coathangaring. I was on hiatus well before all that started happening).And that was a fight where even with IRC pilots doing their 'best' to unintentionally sabotage the ops via chronic stupidity, things went well because the enemy fleet floundered and we had some help from NCdot.So really, I think we are in violent agreement here. A semi-competent and well assembled force can easily deal with bomberfleets (especially IRC grade ones). If you want, I can sit here and talk all day about the fail ops I've seen with IRC. I'm sure it'll provide much entertainment to many folks.
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Their rock has a paper you say? Better never use them ever!
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No mention of the hero tanking scythe in the second fight? If you spent less than the ship cost in missiles, I'd be amazed.That being said, the first fight was indeed a massacre as I've heard it reported from the TEST side. Lessons learned about the weaknesses of Talwars against a prepared and organised frenemy. Thanks for the fun, damn shame you felt the loss of your booster was too much to risk fighting the main force.
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For the record, Tribe formed 120 talwars seperately, but due to a last minute change of FC (RL aggro) we were only closing in on the system when Test got bombed. Having heard that Tests talwars were unable to break the tengu fleets tank (whether this is true or not is another question) and that there were bombers in system, we declared the fight over and turned around. All bar 20 talwars continued on into esoteria, where we waited for someone to form in Dinner Squadrons new staging system; but Phreeze's pets decided to bravely stay docked and wait for C0ven to white knight for them, with predictable results. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_re...
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TEST flying shit expecting to get kills on ships over 100 mil for free. Dumb.Talwars... bla bla bla.
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Dude, the sad part is that they really expect people to let them kill a proper fleet just like that. No sane FC will do that. Seems that it's hard for them to deal with that fact.Same shit when they had this gang in Pure Blind. They came once a day, camped the undock and waited if we let them shoot us. At the first sign of brawl with equal force they went to reship or disappeared. The butthurt was strong in local, when they found out that we ain't braindead and won't welp.

Full disclosure: I was directly involved in this fight. This report is written from my perspective only.

Over the weekend Goonswarm Federation had a few squads deploy down to Delve to poke at residents including Raiden. Quickly, an unhardened POS was reinforced and set to come out during EUTZ. European Goonion formed HAMGUs, Bomberwaffe had 8 bombers, TEST and TRIBE formed Talwars, and Raiden formed Lokis.

With a reported 200+ Talwars, Mister Vee was a little hesitant to engage with his 140 man fleet, but throwing caution to the wind on the second day in Delve, the brawl was on. Cynos were activated within the system, all fleets entered unmolested and the fight at the pos commenced. The initial Talwar warpin landed them off grid (thanks CCP), and forced them to bounce to a tactical on the pos. With almost 150 Talwars in system burning around near this tactical, the fight was almost spoiled. The Talwars unkowingly came within 10km of the bomberfleet that was setup on the pos before warping down to engage the Tengus. The Talwars landed and began to anchor with their MWDs on, immediately they were shelled with 4 shrapnel bombs from the fleet they just barely missed decloaking. This was the end of the Talwar fleet; as one-by-one the destroyers became pods, the Tengus and Lokis were able to brawl each other.

The Loki fleet was unable to break the tank and repairs of the Tengu fleet as the Tengus were able to chew through eight Lokis and a Proteus before the Loki fleet disengaged.

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A few hours later another pos would exit reinforce, this time it was up to Freedom Squad to attempt their hands at HAMGUs. The story was a little different this time; instead of Talwars, TEST brought a real fleet doctrine of MJD Rokhs with tackle and webs. Late getting the numbers to engage, Freedom Squad was forced to enter system against an enemy that had nearly twenty minutes to setup how it wanted. The TEST fleet was safe inside a few bubbles near the pos. The pos, they decided, was not strong enough, so they killed it themselves. A large tower was to take its place.

With both fleets staring at each other and killing a few things over the course of an hour, the large tower was onlined and Freedom Squad decided to withdraw, but not until losing a booster Tengu to a Virtue prober. Bomberwaffe attempted some stuff (trust me it would have been cool if it worked!) that resulted in their unfortunate deaths. Both fleets went home with TEST taking the win.

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