The Esoteria Conflict: C0VEN Responds

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Are those the same guerrilla tactics -a- uses?
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tl;dr - there`s gonna be a lot of titan sitting while supers mop up the placeThey just don`t have the numbers for a gud fite.
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Good attitude. See you on the battlefield.
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~wulfpax~
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They didnt want that sov anyways.
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"It is time for them to suffer the consequences of living in the era before coalitions without adaptation to new circumstances."aka Time to blob the fuck out of you to avoid any fights because we're terrible.
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Excellent attitude. We look forward to some fights while you defend.
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While I'm sure the HBC will have no issue taking Esoteria, most of the players in the HBC are too new to know the history of SE and C0ven. The guerrilla tactics they are referring to are not :wulfpax:, but rather constant SBUing and harassment of timers. If HBC tries to half-ass a timer even when most of the sov is taken and the enemy is "defeated", they will be in for a surprise. C0ven and SE live for this kind of fighting- it was Tek and his friends who largely lead -A-'s original reconquestia. HBC will also have to be careful leaving newer and smaller alliances there to hold space, Stainwagon will eat them for breakfast, and they will do this over the long-term, it's what they do.Of course, this is all based on what they have done historically, they've barely been active the last year. But Russians/Polish dudes tend to be active and re-conquer shit once the winter hits, so we will see how things go.
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HBC is constantly at war since well before the delve invasion. Looks like they have a lot of stamina, how long can they keep it up? :)
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You *Never* come out front and tell someone in the face you are going to go Guerilla. Guerilla is your slight of hand move. The few times -A- went ~eliteguerilla~ on TEST, the HBC was forced to form full-fledged subcapital fleets for what were otherwise drop & pop Dreadnought structure ops. It was something of a blueball tactic that didn't involve merely docking up -- a few times, at least. The HBC is already in a hurry to kill you for some reason. You do *not* want to reveal your hand so completely ahead of time. Before your corp mail, they were already looking at a punitive, non-gudfights "Ignore the fucks; shatter their structures" campaign. Outright declaring your intent to go guerilla and not even try to form up decent fleets makes this little sideshow of a war easier for them; capital fleets need only have support enough to handle skirmishers. They can now keep you away with meager handfuls of their Terran-siege-tank, anti-skirmish Fox and Slowcats turtled-up on your structures.Tl;dr: at least sound like you're going to try. You might have harvested *some* tears that way. You're only confirming the HBC is shooting at a joke.
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Hey...Seems like it is finally time for me to get out the stuff I left in C9N back when CYVOK died.
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C0ven killed more carrier last month than Pandemic Legion.
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Someone call the Ministry of Truth and submit this article for editing, it falsely implies that the HBC has not always been at war with the residents of Esoteria.
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"I am declaring holy war on all residents of Esoteria, too long have they violated agreements with the HBC and pinged at the sovereignty of our allies" What agreement and what sov atack? C0ven never attacked any system that was not owned by C0ven.
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This is gonna be fun - loads of good fights, just pity that HBC cant play with comparable forces o/
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I guess you've only ever been in the HBC? Anyone can see that stainwagon has no way of competing with the HBC. It's literally ten times the size of them, if not more.It's completely reasonable for them not to bother with the sov warfare aspect and to just hassle the pets or tribal after everything has settled down. That's more fun for their membership and won't make them lose morale and failcascade after a long, depressing, hopeless grind.
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What great allies they have!State of Esoteria - ImportantFrom: LelkaSent: 2012-11-15 11:37:00To: Inver BrassHelloEsoteria has become the target of invasion by the 2/3 of EVE and will most likely fall within a month. The attacks on the SE sov in northern Esoteria started yesterday and will become more and more serious in the following days. In the face of being severely outnumbered and outgunned c0ven has no other choice but retreat to NPC 0.0. In consequence of this:I am issuing an evacuation order to all Inver Brass corporations. This order is for heavy and spare assets you are not willing to sell or lose. For the next week or two logistics should still be fairly easy after that point I am not sure. If you want to remain in Esoteria till the last moment I advise you keep only the most essential assets that can fit into a single carrier.For evacuation please use the stations in 7ZRW-G constellation and the jump directly to systems with stations in stain. Please do not try to fly to stain by gates. Hostiles have began their attack from the the systems near satin entrance and most likely will try to intercept lone ships there.If you decide to sell your stuff do not fire sell it. Esoteria is a remote region with difficult logistic routes so JITA prices are easyly achievable.If you need help with moving freighters/orcas pleas contact Tolene via ingame mail I will try to organize help for you.Regards Tolene
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They've been responsible for pretty much all of Tribe's daily ratting carrier losses (doing the Lord's work).
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Believe it or not, this is exactly what everyone in HBC is hoping for.
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You mean they attacked systems owned by themselves?Weird tactic, but whatever floats your boat...
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TEST has been at war for their entire existence, for that matter.Pack light and all that.Also, having a constant bittervet turnover with :shobon: newbies is what really makes your stamina shine. If only the ~elitepvp~ camp would learn that... *sigh*
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Everyone? That's pretty remarkable for a coalition of tens of thousands of people.
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o7 Esoteria Residents. May you bloody our nose as much as you can.
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I dunno, hopefully people watched and learned from how the Dotbros handled the Tribute invasion (at least at first). It's totally possible to not only make an invasion difficult, but actually get plenty of fights while it happens.
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The times TEST was NOT at war we killed all of the current fountain NPC resident's structures and hellcamped them while listening to them freak out and fall apart on comms because they were bored. That's TEST during 'peacetime'
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Nope. While it's pretty much obvious that they will loose the region within a blink but they are really good in constantly harassing locals. And in harassing I mean collecting really shiney killmails on nullbears with black ops every day. Of course it's more annoying than harmfull but nullberas will have a hard time for sure.
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Well, at leaqst they are not bullshiting their renters and even promising help in evac.Quite uncommon these days.
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A group outnumbered 5:1 is going to use asymmetric warfare and guerilla tactics? Zomg Intel! I also hear from the same source that they're going to use "spaceships" and "guns" in the campaign.
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Sounds like good fights are brewing down there, I only wish DotBros hung around longer up here in the North. All we have left are few station timers to mop up in Vale and then it's the dreaded time between wars that I don't care to log for.
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Not their first invasion rodeo.
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So, what they should say? Everyone know the truth. How many caps Coven have? Few titans, some supercariers, around 50 dreds?HBC promised free PLEXes to every capship pilot on structure killboards in ESO. It look like they want blob ESO.
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A lot of pilots want some goodfites.
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You mean "won't play...". Can't implies lack of capability.
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I think he ment that they were only attacking osuf - their jb system in PS recently taken by HBC.
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C0ven or maybe I should say, whole Stainwagon was barely active the last year just because of one reason - blue neighbours. They were roaming far away from they're home looking for fights, what was hard and time-consuming. Now they have hostiles everywhere and fights almost everyday - that's what members of this alliance desire and because of that many old characters started to log in. C0ven is now like a newborn man and even if they'll be forced to settle in Stain for the next year, this will be equal to constant reinforcing of at least north of Esoteria.
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When TEST wasn't at war (after the settlement of Fountain) they began to crumble under drama and boredom. Never again.
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Surely this has nothing to do with your average Tribal Band member being a half-literate mouth breather...
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Nothing quite like DHD hopping in an Op channel on mumble with some random alliances TeamSpeak info (because, people still use TS for some reason).
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They want to win fights, and I don't think they'll get their blob win fights.
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yep. they can't. because they suck balls
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winter is coming~
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winter is coming goons are getting fat call in the CFC and kill the esoteria twats!!!
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Liam Freeman is finally avenged.
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Ya bassically once the invasion is over then all the people who live in Stain will have a wonderfull christmas shooting all the HBC ratting carriers and plex runners that they can get their hands on.
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Tell it to Zombie&Tribals, they loose usually more then carrier and t3 ship a day. SW also wants gf so we teach HBC pets howto in a painful way.
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The wallpapers seem like the perfect tool against those type of tactics. They love that scrappy piss-on-leg fighting style
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Walltriepers did this to the combined CFC/HBC and were the last holdouts even after -A- evacced 319. I don't see them having any problems being a bulwark against scrublords like c0ven and stain empire.
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Have you seen the clowns we've been fighting lately? Anything that shoots back at this point is wonderful.
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Since we started out as goon childern. Test in peace time fucking sucks we have constent wars just to keep us from turning into what the NC was.
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The best part was within what 2-3 weeks? We shattered godfathers into 3 chucks and they have basically lost the will to live.
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The best part was where we took over their ts and banned the admins, they had to reset the server on ts website. l0l.
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Tell us more about your inside intel :allears:
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What's CFC going to do now that NC. folded?They really should attack COBALT moons held by neutral entities in and around Amarr low-sec space.That should easily cut off at least HALF of Platinum Technite production via the Cobalt + Platinum route after that...$$$ PROFIT $$$
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Also, HBC currently controls the MAJORITY of Cobalt moons in 0.0 space...So if CFC works together with HBC, they can simultaneously raise the price of both cobalt & technectium.The reasoning behind this idea is simple, if you cut off supply while there is a HUGE demand for a certain resource, the price shoots up.Althou, other minerals such as Platinum and Cadmium may see their price fall.And yes, there's lots of structure grinding involved. =P
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Those hardcore MUST BE ABLE TO FLY RIFTER requirements...
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Test wouldnt know what a goodfight was even if they actually were in one.
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Coven is very exp and has bailed out AAA a lot of times, this will be great fights to watch.But HBC dont count on them giving up and folding they really will meet SBU`s at the random times you set.You`d better be ready to defend or lose every SBU you plant down there...Those crazy guys will always show up for battle no matter how small of numbers.But from TESTS side it woul be nice to fight someone who wont back down at all.All I can say is you [PL,Test] need to allow your younger members to prove them selves down there, they will learn tons and get the best weapon in Eve besides numbers...Experience, so please dont bail them out, let an even ish fight happen, if you really want fights dont blob them into the stone age or no one will fight you. Ganking/Killing SC`s is one thing, but subcap battles I hope you let tribal band fight them alone for a while, that is almost even numbers already.
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Wow pathetic.....HBC please I beg yOu dont be like CFC and have respect and font all go in and blob them. Use similar numbers, and use newer guys to learn.i APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR wall of text....but its necsasaryIts perfect opportunity for younger recruits to cut there teeth, but if you go full 25k members+PL they will crumble before fighting except the hardcore 700+ stain wagon guys.Im sorry but I like HBC they call it like it is, they admit they arent the best at PVP, they just seem like fun peeps where as CFC seems the same way except....They never admit they are wrong, they say they are good at PVP and explain how they beat DOTBROS. We all knew DOTBROS would lose, it was only a matter of time which they lost. Not because they are better but because you can kill the entire north and still lose uing SOV mechanics now days.Please Test stay cool, its hard IMO not to like you, even as your enemy, but you could easily turn into CFC [where everyone laughs at you if you arent GSF and all know you are a pet, or are GSF and everyone knows you cant do anything SOLO.] if SOV+Tec+ other things become more important to you then people would stp liking you.......Please give them a chance to fight evenly and dont chest beat when you win [since you should win] and we will all still secretly root for Test+They might join you afterwards, wheb they realize "We get treated better as a enemy than we did as friends.Once more please try to avoid being seen with or being one with CFC, its not that they arent great at Eve [not fighting but everything else, they are great, maybe the best] But no one likes them, and your survival depends on frsh blood coming in. I read somewhere peps said Groups Join CFC to Rat and get SC`s and be left alone to carebear and PVP every few months, People Join test because its pure comedy and tons of fun. The moment you act like CFC peeps will label you the second CFC and you will lose alot of potential guys, even guys who have been playing 6-7 years like and might join you, but would never ever join CFC/GSF.CFC is the 265 lbs heavy weight who is fighting a 155 lbs lightweight and after 4 rounds of the small guys whooping his ass the heavy weight who always should have won takes the microphone and starts talking about ho great he is etc and how he never stood a chance, because he`s the best.....In real life everyone would basically think the little guy won, because the huge guys should have never takin any DMG or the fight shoukd have been over in seconds not 4 rounds later.Please dont be like that, Yes you will. And if it gets close, bring in more numbers. If your younger guys get into trouble etc. Or if there are SC`s to kill gank em, those are all viable reasons BUT PLEASE TEST for the love of god dont blob them 5 to 1 and claim victory, make these truly GF`s, and let semi equal amounts fight, please dont send down 10k members vs there 1500 guys, let Tribal band alone take them on at first. If they have problems be the Test we all know and love and say "because they need help and cant win :) we will now send Init/Thorn/Raiden etc to help out" :)This will keep it light will still not hugely blobbing just giving you an edge.Keep your image....You guys are totally the cool guys anyone would want to drink with, if you pull what CFC did in the past years where they steamroll with numbers it makes people dislike you. Then when you get halted by a small size coalition they lose respect. People were scared of CFC 6 months ago, know they just arent. They realize its not a tough bunch of guys but a huge number mixed with Tec being broken and and SOV in general screwed. So guys arent afraid to lose space to them anymore and be looked at like losers.And when people apply to NCDOT and are newer etc I like you so much [Even though you are buddies with CFC] I tell the guys to go and apply to Test or there FW section.Thats how much respect we even in NCDOT have. and we are considered Snobbs who hate everyone except Hi SP toons with supercaps.But the second you become the CFC that will stop, you get recruits because even your enemies like you, your not jerks and you arent greedy, your what Goons used to be, I will either get banned again or downvoted like 50 times because its Goons here. But its true. You can be great at a game like goons but be disliked [like goons]Number 1 dont blob esp at first, Send the equal amount and only send same number of Allies so it doesnt look like you only need numbers to win. So if they have 5k members altogether send Tribal and 4 other smaller allis equaling 6.5k Maximum, you still have numbers but only 1 vs 1.15 ish and doesn't count as a blob. This shows you arent like Goons and arent like fighting AAA were you want to embarrass them, just have good fights for fun....This is what makes you cool and liked by all vs CFC who are either Pets of Goons [They accuse -A- but they are just as bad, hey simply do a better job at making these poor bastards believe tHey arent pets and really make them think they are "Partners" when in reality Goons orders them to do anything just like Tribute war FA.FCON,RZR,Convicted, Gentelmens ETC did/Do 80% of all the work in fighting Us [NCDOT/Nulli] 80-90% providing numbers, day in and out are providing all members to keep all TZ`s off "GSF`s backs" Meaning they are getting Slaughtered in H-w or other places welping fleets in a 1 v 1 Battle, While Goons takes 3x there numbers instead of leaving them with the sheep and actually making odds of success from 0.1% to 50% all so they wont lose anything all while GSF propaganda says to its Pets "KB stats mean nothing look at how fail NCDOT KB STATS ARE, GREAT THEY HAVE A GREEN KILLBOARD, BUT ARE LOSING THERE SOV." -----See what they just did there? :) They do 5% of the heavy lifting, esp Logistics, think about our avg day.... And keep 80% of the spoilsThats also why you never blob when you dont have to, GSF basically administered organization, and sent FC`s wether the others wanted then or not. And then they had the Pets fight then they took most the spoils of tribute and Vale handing out some space to appease the pets but based off performance RZR,FA,FCON should have gotten 80% goons 20%Goons by themselves coudlnt stop a 1600 man Alliance like NCDOT, soi what are the pets paying for? As I said its so very clever of GSF, they get military protection then make the pets think that they are protected by Goons...LOLIt works for years unil people see a real war and realise "Hey there were no goons at that Goon saving OP, you know they one Goons own and NCDOT slayed us on."My point is that only works for a while or unless you have a master like Vile Rat continuing the Propaganda. But Test has the cool kid thing going because they truly dont have TEC Jew syndrome where it changes you into a gredy goblin....Goons was infected the minute TCF gave them all there Dek Space....Goons never fought for Dek it was gifted to them, this is another area Goons are hated for, they are basically Eve`s version of trust fund babies. They act like they are kingshit but in the End there 9k Alli isnt shit without Razor, FA,Fcon,Convicted,GA,Exec`s etc etc. And then Goons makes them feel special they are given there bredcrumbs.So while Goons is winning game up north people are realizing they are nothing but numbers, and brilliant propaganda. I still respect Goons for what they are, and if they had a true military side not just a numbers side lika a PL would be dangerous but they I dont think could unless they payeda ton because once the pets respected the PL/NCDOT types more and realized they could lead the Coalition better it would be bye bye Goonie.So TEST, YOU GUYS MUST ACT LIKE ITS STILL FOR THE GOOD FIGHTS, so please dont send the 10k army down to fight them, let Tribal and Thorn take care of it solo and this will show you are so badass you can fight SOLAR+AAA in the north and The Wagon in the south. and still win, using even numbers.Dont, Blob be nice to those who are abou to lose all they have and had for what 8 years, and at the end you will be surprised how much people in general like you guys. Just please seperate yourselves from Goons, playing there way without Tec would fail for anyone else....Look at AAA, yes goon act like they treat there "Pets" way better but in reality they still keep way more than they should for themelves an peeps know it.Most older buddies from NC tell me they joined CFC bot cause they love GSF but because they want revenge in DRF forces.Most my buddies in test are there because its fun and they laugh alot. Dont TRY TO BE CFC, BE SPORTING AND GIVE THEM A 1 vs 1 Chance at first.
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Long but right on.Test you have the X Factor of coolness dont try to blob them. CFC doesnt realize it yet but it made them look very weak. They traded Tec moons they didnt need for, there feeling of supreme dominance nothing could beat. Now people know thay can, if they have enough numbers, just like the Persians at the battle of Marathon, before that Persia blobbed the entire world, but the Athenians with 1/10th there numbers fought them and beat em up badly, then all the tribes near Babylon [Persia capital rose up and decided they wanted the wealth [tec for themselves]And people realized they wernt invincible.Anyways, keep your good name and you also have a name for fair play when people ask for it, "Still honoring battles etc"Please dont sully it, I to would advse only to send just as many are needed to equal good fights. But with TB and Thorn they should do it, but it wont look like you are bullys, thats CFC`s role and for a very specific reason, not truly because they are bullies.
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It was a joke.
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Badass diplomatic response from C0ven!
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Let me get this straight, you hate goons and its pets, but you still respect Goons for what they are? ummmmmmmmmm duhThat had to be the most useless wall of ramble I have read in a long time.....wow.
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because its so relevent to a sov war when you pop some lazy boob in his bling ratting ship instead of defending your own sov.
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What a surprise. Inver brass evacing without a fight. They are nothing but fag renters and botters. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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An opponent that won't win, but keeps showing up for fights? Sounds perfect for TEST.

The Honey Badger Coalition has been somewhat liberal with their NIPs (Non-Invasion Pacts) since the fall of 4-07MU in Catch. The HBC has, for the most part, moved from growing its own numbers to securing neighbors who can provide good fights without a soul-draining sov grind. The Stain-Esoteria Collection was one such neighbor. This is a loose bloc that had grown very accustomed to taking small gangs into the surrounding regions and wreaking merry slaughter on ratters. Unfortunately for them, there are a lot fewer targets for small gangs in the area now.

Tribal Band, a member of the HBC, won Period Basis for their home in Delve War 2012. This put them in close proximity to Esoteria’s residents. Conflict between the new neighbors began and quickly escalated into structure shooting. Montolio, leader of TEST and the HBC, gave the Esoterians a warning, but they continued shooting TRIBE sov structures.

Yesterday, Montolio publically stated that the HBC was going to war against the residents of Esoteria:

I am declaring holy war on all residents of Esoteria, too long have they violated agreements with the HBC and pinged at the sovereignty of our allies. It is time for them to suffer the consequences of living in the era before coalitions without adaptation to new circumstances.

When C0VEN was contacted to get their side of the story, their diplomat responded quickly, quoting Montolio’s post.  He closed out the mail with the following statement:

...we have entrenched our position in Esoteria.

While we cannot seriously expect to be able to repel HBC invasion in a long run due to their numbers advantage and supercapital superiority, we will do what we can to make this invasion painful, time consuming and bloody for the invaders.

We have been waiting for the attack on Eso for 4 years now, we will see if our guarilla warfare is up to the challenge.

We are also looking forward to more fights with nominated new owners of Esoteria (OOS and Walltreipers) with whom we have a long history of shooting each other.

Regards,

Xeovar Stoner

C0ven diplomat

It looks like both sides are eager for the upcoming war.  Here's to the good fights!

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Bagehi began playing Eve in 2003 briefly, then returned in 2006. He has been part of IAC, NC, SoCo, and HBC during that time. He has a thing for history, but mostly spends his time IRL in a corner office, staring at financial reports, like a MMD.