The End of Solar Fleet?

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If you want to see something really scary/cool, check out the other two graphs on Dotlan, corp/members. They are both flat lines compared to the sloping sov/outposts. I've killed a lot of space empires and have never seen that before. Solar are total boss-tier duders to not bitch out and look for greener pastures at this point, as so many wimps previously have done.http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alli...
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Hey Rahvin, still to embarrassed of your main to post with him?
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I don't get it : what is stopping Solar from selling the assets later ? The corp hangar will be deleted after the owner switch ? If that's so, why not transfering all assets on a character(s) hangar(s), and look for ways to sell / haul them later ?
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Side note, we're looking for anyone official from Solar Fleet for an interview. Our attempts last night were futile, unfortunately.
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Solar makes perfect trap for PL/N3 duders. Every day before downtime, PL/N3 should bring all their fleets to R3P0. For next few months or years. Those titans can login every day, before downtime and shoot some, or jump out the system.
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Oh, they're moving to that one system that the lore says you can see a black hole from, only no, no you can't.
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I noticed this as well. Simply impressive.
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Until of course CCP allows aggression to after down time...
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A massive one time CFC rescue operation to let Solar evac their ships probably could fetch a nice price, either in isk or good will. Just sayin'...
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Since when are CFC mercs?
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They'd actually have to sell it. If the estimate of 250 JF loads is true, it would take years to liquidate, for only a fraction of it's value. You can also count in the need for hundreds of contract or sale orders. It's not anything near an easy solution.
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Since when does CFC not like isk?
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great now the sov map should be a giant ocean. Glad everyone's all buddy buddy in null :)
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Or maybe you can do last fight with them without help of PL?But I doubt you have pair of you know what to do that .I like your articles ,but since PL started to help you this war was over,Solar was never able to use their super capitals.If you and N3 did this alone things would be much different.And what is sad imo,your alliance and N3 are in numbers same as Solar.They were fighting alone and tbh I don't know any alliance that endured this much fighting.
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Of course you can't see it. It's a black hole.
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They would have to sell to the new owners, at a massive loss.
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Russian players tend to stick together for long periods of time like most single ethnicinity/nationality corps, not because they have a particular love of each other (they may, who knows?), but because the Russian options in terms of Nulsec are somewhat limited and all somewhat crappy - you have to go to corp that speaks your language, you have to go to a corp in/near your time zone (Russia is eleven timezones long), and finally, you have to leave behind any friends you made in the last corp.Ultimately, what most Russians do is pick a corp and stick with it for the duration of their EVE Career, simply because it's way easier for them, so that's why Russian corps don't tend to die in a fire.
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So, basically just another day of PL being the shitheads they usually are...gotcha.
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Except all of the times that Solar actually did use their supers in some very creative traps and just leaping on targets of opportunity. You insult Solar more by implying that they've not been able to use their supers. They are not defenseless mewing kittens, but a very capable alliance that has pulled still off some impressive things even against the superior tz spread of N3 and PL.
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Isk is not something we are in short supply of
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What happens on their Mumble is far more heinous.
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CFC rescue Solar Fleet? This video sums up how some members feel about Solar Fleet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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True, but more = better
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try millar shout
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just wow
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I remember seeing the same thing when Pl was beating on them while in the pay of XDeath, and we all know how that one ended.
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That's just how the sov crumbles
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Actually it wouldn't be a massive loss. People will snap up stuff (especially fit ships) in deep 0.0 at slightly above Jita prices simply because of the convenience. This is speaking as someone who has had stuff trapped in a station on a few occasions.It's not as big a disaster as people make out.
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It is not insult it is fact.They used them when they have opportunity ,but that was not so often you must admit.Any other alliance in that situation would do same so what is insult there ?Anyway ,point is Solar problem was not N3 and NC,but PL with their super capital fleet ready to jump in as soon fight escalate.
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I'd bet we're likely to see Solar go after n3's holdings in the south, possibly waiting a bit to see if n3 picks a fight with the CFC. N3's space is over 40 light years across, and it will be a tall order to defend it, especially if N3 does decide to pick a fight with the CFC again.One other variable will be the longevity of Red Alliance. They're having plenty of internal trouble right now and I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the first of Solar's Enemies to get kicked.
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Well, we from RAZOR can confirm that communication with SOLAR is... difficult.
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forgot to add it? =)http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alli...
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I wonder why they think that all Solar Fleet assets locked inside that station? At the station, there is nothing but CTA ships. Of course it's a nuisance to them, but not grave situation. All serious assets were evacuated for a long time ago, after the loss of 995-3G. Apparently Shadoo just need to motivate his grunts.
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Never bet against a Russian.
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its over two hundred and fifty THOUSANDS Jump Freighters worth of assets there in r3palso 1 500 MAELSTROM HULLS, 400 LOKI FITTED, 200 GUARDIAN REPPINGand MINMATAR OUTPOST EGG!
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SHADOO WOULD NEVER LIE TO HIS GRUNTS HOW COULD YOU
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That would work, if we weren't planning to give the station and sov to an alliance with no standings to anyone. No one will ever dock in that system until we lose it :)
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wow seriously....
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Got to call BS on that.... Solar attacked N3 when they were fighting goons, now the tables have turned and all of a sudden "Waa you didn't fight fair"... they kicked the underdog the majority of Eve was cheering for, and now its time to pay the piper

The Drone Regions have been the land of milk and honey for Solar Fleet and their renters for many years now. This vast amount of space produced a sizable amount of minerals that the rest of the EVE used to build everything from a lone Rifter all the way to many of the super carriers and titans we see today. Years of alloys being farmed out of multiple regions eventually saw the mechanics changed from alloy dropping from NPC kills to the bounty system the rest of the game uses. For the vast majority of its existence, Solar Fleet has had a strong and powerful presence there, and secured wealth by dealing in super capital production and renters.

On April 17, a Pandemic Legion spy learned that Solar Fleet was planning on moving all assets to a low security system - Konora - and abandoning the remaining sovereignty they have in the Drone Regions. Solar Fleet had learned of PL and NCdot’s plan to camp the R3P0-Z station which  contains all of Solar Fleets assets. With time being of the essence, PL and NCdot moved in rapidly to secure the system and lock down the station. With only a few Solar Fleet jump freighters able to jump out before the lockdown, Solar Fleet now is faced with a situation so many alliances before them have seen first hand before their demise: the loss of the majority of their assets.

TheMittani.com’s Alizabeth talked to Gorga, coalition leader for the N3 perspective.

Alizabeth: “So, Shadoo tweeted that PL spies on Solar TS heard Solar is going to be regrouping in Konora and ending CTAs.  Does this mean that N3 has won?”

Gorga: “It's a significant step, but things are not over yet. We're in the process of camping their staging system so they can't evacuate to reinforce that point.”

Alizabeth: “Camping Konora, or their current nullsec system?”

Gorga: “Nullsec.  They didn't get a chance to evacuate a lot of their stuff yet.”

All of Solar Fleets assets, over two hundred and fifty or more jump freighters, are now locked inside the station. Operation 'Hell Camp' is now underway.

In December of last year, the Drone Region war erupted with multiple fronts opened up by N3 (NCdot of N3 joined in mid January) and PL along with Red Alliance. With Solar Fleet being dominant in the Russian time zone and extending little presence outside of that, the effects of being attacked on multiple time zones as well as multiple fronts was overwhelming.

This left Solar Fleet with very, very few options. One arguably successful tactic that many coalitions use to their advantage is the sov grind. With vast amounts of space and the current sov mechanics, the best tactic for the defender is to set the timers for their prime time. Thusly, Solar Fleet did everything possible to try and wear down the will and strength to show up for every timer.

The invading forces of N3 and PL do, in fact, have the fortitude for such a sov grind. It has been a very long war, with few battles of note and many structure shoot op, excepting for a short time when Solar Fleet hired Black Legion to shore up the Drone Region Coalition's time zone. When Solar Fleet formed up for defense, they would look to see their chances against whatever the invader had at the time, and if there was a chance they might lose the fight they opted to stand down.

While this may be the end for Solar Fleet in null, there is a small chance they will try one last fight. A fight to free everything they have from R3P0-Z and escape to the freedom waiting for them in low sec.  

Alizabeth: “Aside from continuing the camp, what is left before you can declare total victory?  I would assume their sov timers are set for the worse times.  Is it just a grind, or should we expect more fighting?

Gorga: “I can't tell you what to expect yet, but I don't think there will be much more than grinding after this camp. I'm not sure that we're going to see much effort out of SF right away, it'll likely be something after they think we're asleep.”

Alizabeth: “The quintessential Russian tactic of trading space for time?”

Gorga: “Maybe, though I'm not sure yet.”

There is not much time left before the system and, more importantly, the station are no longer in control of Solar Fleet. If that happens before Solar Fleet can break out, it will be a devastating blow. Untold trillions in ISK and years of work trapped. No man is an island, and with all of Solar Fleets renters either evacuated or turning to worship the new landlords, who will help Solar Fleet?

Unless a miracle happens, it will only be a matter of time before the rest of Solar’s sovereignty is completely gone; estimated around a month or less. The end of a long and dull war is coming to a close. While N3 and PL close to claiming victory, it is not without a long, weary sigh.  Yet another protracted sov war has come to a close under the Dominion Sov System.

Alizabeth: “So, this, from the N3 perspective, is a great development, but, again, from N3's perspective, Solar is still dangerous?

Gorga: “Yes, they fight like bears no matter what is happening, and I don't expect this to be an end game development, just going to have to readjust strategy to something else to combat whatever they attempt to do from Konora.”

Solar Fleet's time is running out.  The R3P0-Z station comes out of reinforced on Sunday, and a failure to break out might spell the doom of the Russian alliance.

Marlona Sky
I have been exploding internet spaceships since 2005. While I do love me a good large scale fight, I thoroughly enjoy small scale PvP as well.