Dev Blog Analysis: Back to The Balancing Future

Could someone please explain the difference between a 'field' and 'fleet' command ship? Not come across the terminology before and I don't know anything about command ships :)
Liking this whole push to get neglected hulls used more.
Field is a combat boat, fleet is a boosting boat, the field can fit links just like any other BC, it just doesn't get bonus to the links like the fleet class does.
field were high DPS/big tank ships, fleet were warfare link platforms/big tanks/shit dps
Thanks for the clear answer! So now instead I'm guessing that both command ships are essentially 'fleet' ships (boosters) and also 'field' ships (combat ready)?
I'm really happy with the Gallente Command Ships overhaul. It's always good when more ships become viable.
It is worth noting that the Fleet edition command ship can by default field 3 warfare links (buff modules), while the Field edition, is more akin to large assult cruiser, sporting only 1 warfare, but larger offensive power. More links can be possible to fit, by use of other modules.
One question though do you think that with the Mimmy line they will make one Arty and the other AC or will a Missile one come out after?Edit: Reading is hard sometime its already in the pic.
The idea that people might actually see an Eos in space again is exhilarating.
They should orient the Drake, Myrm, hurricane, and harbinger towards mid ranged, with high tank, dmg and range/tracking bonus's, that allow them to utilize shorter range weapons at about 35-50k. Making them distinctly different from T3's which are fast, long range sniper/hit and run type ships. I think they drake, myrm, cane, and harb are fine now, the drake could just use a slight range reduction perhaps making it's bonus's for hams only would do the trick.It would also be really interesting if they gave every race a decent BC heavy tackler with a small ewar bonus (nothing that overshadows recons obviously), and plenty of mid slots. Perhaps taking the prophecy, ferox, brutix and cyclone, giving them all resist bonus's or repair bonus, speed bonus to allow them to catch stuff, and some small "tackle ewar" bonus so they can hold stuff. Nuet/Nos amount for amarr, scram range for gallente, and smart bombs for caldari (because fuck ecm) and web speed reduction amount for minmatar. They should not get range bonus's to ewar like the recons just effectiveness bonus's (except for the gallente scram, give it a small range bonus and perhaps cap use bonus for the gallente and amarr ewar) , be fast and agile, have good resist bonus's, and really high cap regen to allow them to fill this role. They need to be able to do close range damage of the equivalent cruisers so give them dmg/ cap use bonus's not range or tracking, fast enough to catch stuff, and have the cap to keep things running for a while. These ships should be able to murder T3 BC's or T3 cruisers if they catch them. Give them plenty of mid slots too, or they will suck.
it most likely would still have the same drone bay which would limit it to a flight of heavies/sentries and a flight of lights... still a long way from domi/rattlesnake/gila/ishtarin my eyes, that would be rather balanced (especially since the myrm would still lack any gun bonuses)
Information warfare links will be useful at last.The one that ads to sensorm strength would be helpful for sniper fleets
Yup, can't train Racial Cruiser I without Racial Frigate IV currently.
Outside of 60km Tier3 BCs are always better, against large targets Tier3 BCs are pretty well always better. They need to role LR Medium turrets as LR anti-tackle weapon systems: so that between 30-60Km they are the pre-eminent anti-frig weapons. This will make them actually useful.Use the Munnin as a template, it's decent at this range as a anti-frig platform, and once it's balanced to reflect the Tiericide changes to the Rupture it'll happily compete with Tier3s under 60km, and out DPS close range ships from 20-30Km (depending on the other hull-type / weapon system).What will be left to do is improving Rails so that the Eagle and Ferox are also viable anti-tackle platforms at this range and reducing the cap use of beams to make them viable.
they should finaly buff the cloaky nulli shit in someway ... dont overbuff it but for example ... make that the nullifier subsystem gives you shit agility .
Thanks. That's what I thought, but the way they explain it just isn't saying that clearly to me for some reason.
That ambiguous working had me a bit confused as well. I knew from past discussions on this CCP's intent what that if you can fly it before the update, you'll be able to fly it to the same level of skill after the update. But the last dev blog doesn't really paint that picture clearly.

Today, CCP Ytterbium released the latest dev blog detailing CCP's planned balancing changes to a broad swathe of ships.

A general trend with ship balancing as so far is the attention paid to shield vs. armour tanking and certain weapons systems, rather than particular hulls themselves. That said, multiple hulls need some work, and will apparently be getting it post-Retribution. Note that no specific changes have been released yet - these are general plans and the details may change. 


Battlecruisers are to have a smaller overhaul than frigates and cruisers, keeping mostly the same roles, but with more balance between the current 3 tiers.

Tier 2 and 3 Battlecruisers will likely be getting minor tweaks and balances, but will remain mostly the same.

Current Tier 1 battlecruisers are viewed as mosltly obsolete, with other ships simply performing their roles better. Expect major overhauls for Tier 1 battlecruisers. 

The Ferox seems to be a bit of a problem. CCP claims they'd like to see it used as a sniper by removing its tank bonus and adding a damage bonus, but they don't want to infringe on the Naga's role. I don't see how they can do this without making it entirely useless. Anything over 60km range would infringe on where the Naga is currently effective, whereas anything under 30km range would see it falling victim to poor tracking, poor damage, and poor tank against more heavily armed ships. Would CCP attempt to niche the ship into a relatively un-used 30-60km range? Perhaps, but with the removal of the tank bonus, the only current viable setup (the Blaster Ferox) becomes pretty terrible.

Also of note: the Prophecy will be re-tooled as another Amarr droneboat. I rather like the direction that CCP is headed with this one. It seems the Amarr droneboats will be slightly tankier than Gallente ones, sporting larger dronebays but reduced bandwidth. This supports the Amarr combat doctrine - outlasting their opponents on the field. Increased dronebay sizes offer the potential for more variety and utility, or simply more replacements for lost drones. I would expect a similar bandwidth to what the Myrmidon currently has, with the Myrmidon getting a small buff.


The battleship lineup is arguably much more balanced, with CCP changing only the most neglected hulls.

Perhaps most excitingly, the Typhoon is going to be overhauled into a specialized missile ship, continuing CCP's initiative to provide a viable Minmatar missileboat lineup. Like its in-game description says, the Typhoon can do a lot, but it can't do anything particularly well, other than a Torp/Neut setup. It'll likely lack the range that the Raven has, but keeping with Minmatar hull designs, will be significantly faster. Ironically, its for this reason that it might make the Raven even more useless in combat. The Raven just has trouble applying its damage. It is too slow, and can't afford the mid-slots to fit multiple target painters or stasis webifiers. The revamped Typhoon however will.

Speaking of the Raven, it has largely been useless in PVP in the last few years, and CCP has noticed. Rather than the Raven itself being the problem however, they have identified (correctly I think) its weapon systems as the problem. Cruise missiles are largely underwhelming, their flight time making them next to useless at extreme ranges, and their heavy-missile proportioned DPS making them not worthwhile at closer ranges. Torpedoes have great DPS on paper, but need a lot of target painting and stasis webifiers in order for them to apply the damage. This hints at the battleship-class missile systems being overhauled, rather than anything to do with specific ship balancing.

Note: Because the object is to remove ship tiers, ship mineral requirements will be balanced , likely bringing prices closer together.

Skill Progression

As mentioned earlier in the year, the destroyer and battlecruiser skills will be changed from generic skills to race-specific ones. This means that new players will need to train each racial battlecruiser skill, rather than each cruiser to 3 followed by the generic battlecruiser skill.

Each successively larger ship class will require the previous class racial skill to level 4. For example, Amarr Battleship will require Amarr Battlecruiser 4, Amarr Dreadnought will require Amarr Battleship 4, etc.

This more than doubles the training time required for a new player to get into battleships. The reaction to this is mixed, but I think it is for the better, as new players in general are trying to scale up through ship classes too quickly. Pilots are flying ships which are far too expensive for them, very poorly, with little in the way of support skills. Providing a clear line of progression will probably result in new players flying ships which are more suited to their skillset.

Regarding skill reimbursements, all characters will be given the racial battlecruiser/destroyer skills to the level which they can currently fly. If you have Battlecruisers V, Amarr and Caldari Cruiser III, you will be given Amarr and Caldari Battlecruisers V. Thus, it would be prudent for all current pilots to train all cruiser and frigate skills to at least 3 and Battlecruisers and Destroyers skills to V to maximize the skillpoints you will recieve.

Command Ships

Command Ships will recieve broad changes to make the class more usable, as currently T3 Strategic Cruisers do the command job better, and battlecruisers do the combat role almost as well for 1/4 the cost.

  • There will no longer be a differentiation between 'Field' and 'Fleet' command ships. Each will be viable in combat and command roles.
  • Tech 3's will have a weaker bonus to links, though be able to fit more of them. Command ships will have stronger links, and be able to fit less.
  • Each race will have two different bonused types of links for their command ships. CCP has provided a wonderful picture to illustrate the changes:

I think the command ship changes are very solid, as they actually provide a good reason to use command ships now. Minmatar and Amarr command ships are the clear winners here, having both skirmish links and a racial tank bonus. With an armour bonus, perhaps the Gallente command ship line will now actually be fielded.

In general, I am quite impressed with the proposed changes. With luck, we'll be seeing the mainstays of fleet combat overhauled sometime next year.

I have been playing EVE since late 2006, with a preference for nullsec warfare. I am currently a member of Nulli Secunda. In real life, I started a career as a pilot in 2007, and many of my articles discuss both flying, and EVE Online.