Destroying Outposts: The Workaround

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It's an alliance that owns just one station, which limits docking rights to anyone but the 3 corp members, effectivly locking everything inside.They are unbribeable because they are alts of the people that have no interest in betraying each other as there is no gain for them, they are also that high up in leadership they would shoot themselves in the foot if they did bite.
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That sound kinda problematic, i mean with the firepower PL can put in a system in like 10 minutes - there is no chance a solar can do anything with force. It takes a week to flip all the sbus , hub and the freaking station.At least if they are stronted and i doubt PL would miss this.When facing a force of 100 titans and 400 supercarriers - i hardly see what solar CAN do.
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So far solar has done a few interesting things, I'm looking forward to see if they pull another one with this.
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You don't stront SBUs, I-HUBs or stations. You also don't flip SBU's as an attacker.
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"effectively limiting access to the station to those three unbribeable people."Everyone has a price.
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Where do the rumours about all the assets come from?I mean, a guy from SOLAR off-handedly mentioned this stuff in one of the channels I hang out, and he was as puzzled as me on the whole issue. Well, maybe line members assets, yes. But is that a problem? I mean, I have billions in assets all over New Eden, and they are effectively locked, because neither I have a use case for them, nor I'm patient enough to play market games to sell them.But let's assume the worst case - 2 trillions in member assets. Sounds scary, right? Wrong. Given 2000 members in SF, that's a billion per member. That's fucking pocket change for a 1y.o. character these days. It's like claiming you've destroyed a person's hopes and dreams and made their life a living hell... By dropping their smartphone into a pool of acid. That's some sandbox reasoning right there, allright. As in, the last time I've seen this kind of reasoning, I've been a 7 y.o. kid playing in a very real sandbox with very real sand and other very real 7 y.o. kids (there were no smartphones, or, indeed, any cell phones back then though, so we had to settle with toys).Join EVE online, they said, it has mature community, they said...
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Hell, I didn't know about that concept before now. I think it was a fucking ingenious from PL.
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As interesting as it is, no need to be a genius to create this technique...
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Awesome, force another few hundred pilots out of nullsec. How many large alliances are left now? How many gudfites will us grunts get long-term when there's nobody left to hate? Fuck the PL thunderdome and fuck PL.
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It's just that no person in the world can afford me. :)
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Only now such a technique is being used? Wow... I thought the null-block at least had some brains behind their brawn... I guess I was wrong.
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In real war the victor wins the spoils of war...Eve should reflect this...Its a good thing Pl came up with, but it just shows the sov holder losing space means little to nothing when he can just ninja all his stuff out....without much risk.be it Solar / AAA / NC....once you lost the war you should lose all assets in that space to the victor.
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Pay no attention to native english speakers, they are purposely trained wrong, as a joke.A trillion is a tri-million, one million cubed, 10^18, or for girls, 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.And that would be a lot of spacecash.
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i don't think this will work as ccp do move stuff for peeps. Below is a petition reply from ccp. So solar dudes who have stuff trapped need to drop subs for 6 months, come back and ccp will move your stuff. Anyway its all about PL bribing solar to let them get their stuff out"We apologize for the late reply and appreciate your patience.Unfortunately, CCP offers no such service. While we do occasionally offer to assist returning players who have been gone from the game for an extended period and find themselves trapped in hostile sovereignty, this is not a general offer to assist players who have significant distances to travel.Best regards,GM UkuleleCCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514"
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There are PL sbus anchored in the system. Solar would need to clear them before they could hit anything else, further delaying how long it would take to actually flip the station
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Who is the next baddie after Solar ?
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Watching people whine about Game of Thrones spoiler station names.
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I hope you're kidding. unit->thousands->millions->billions->trillions. A trillion is 10^12.
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Some people don't care about money. Hi.
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Missed the part about the "native english speakers"?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...Educate yourself.
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Nah, there are 2 scales for long numbers. In the long scale (mostly latin, german,french speaking countries) 1 trillion is a million of millions. Or 10^18. In the short scale (english, russian, arabic countries) 1 trillion is a thouthand of millions. Or 10^12. The article uses the short scale (judging by the RMT estimation).
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Some PL dudes just does not understand Russian jokes, and that's the whole story behind jails and locked SOLAR assets. :)
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Im still not sure who goes around saying that destructible stations is a great idea, i seems like a terrible one for me
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It was high time for _all_the_world_ to start using a unified measurement system, say SI.In which case 10^12 is correct and everyone who plays eve online will think that - unless they are completely retarded - m/s is kinda cool instead of mph, or liter instead of cups.@hausser0815 you are an idiot, thank you for confirming..
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You can still jumpclone freely to a station if you have a clone there. They can only remove your medical clone. You can still sell assets. You can even undock (once) and fly away with your stuff (though if you get in trouble you can't redock). If you have important assets in a station leave a babysitter clone there and go fight to the death in your combat clone.
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SI has it's own prefix naming convention independent from both scales and advices against using ambigous terms like billion or trillion. We should, therefore, settle on 2 teraISK.
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You are a fucking retard
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The problem is, the holder corp most likely has neither standings nor docking rights for anyone else, so selling is out of the question - there's nobody to sell to (otherwise you could put a spy in a corp that has docking rights and trade all the goods to him). And you can only undock once. So if you have more assets than you can squeeze into your biggest ship, you leave them behind.
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then please, enlighten an idiot why calling 1000^4 a trillion makes sense in any way, and why calling 1.000.000^3 a trillion is false.
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PL never wanted gudfites. Or they are REALLY bad at getting them.They want to smash people down and break them. Like most people in nullsec.You should look at lowsec. Really.
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This whole argument is stupid and you should feel stupid. Read the fucking article on the fucking wikipedia. It describes the fucking logic behind both fucking scales. The fucking article uses the fucking short scale. You can fucking write your own fucking article using the fucking long scale. Or complain to a fucking editor about wanton fucking intolerance to your big fucking endiannes by evil fucking anglophones. Fucking.
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Hey faggot, I know facts are hard, but the SI makes no mention of which system of scale should be used, other than that ppb and ppt (parts per billion/trillion) should be avoided due to this ambiguity.Also the long scale billion used to be known as a 'British billion', so please don't include us with these Amerifags. These same Amerifags that are stuck in the dark ages with most units of measurement. The irony, it burns.
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Especially in EVE where it's quite easy to have too much if you're in PL's leadership.
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CHOOSING IT'S FUCKING NAME ...
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fuck HBC, 20k carebears occupying a third of nullsec is the problem not PL.
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Lowsec is shit. It needs fixed. Try NPC null instead.
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Controlling access to it. That's pretty much it. Oh and also being able to decide where it is.
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i guess i found a whole row of red buttons to push, huh ? also, dont mimik the colonists if you dont wanna be mentioned with them in the same sentence. and i still enjoy that you all are trained, from an egoistic point of view, to my amusement. dance, puppets ... ;)
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Fantastic bullshit O_o
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Yea ... because pour SOLAR guys never heard of Jump Cloning and shit ... cause ninja jumping before DT is unheard of in an eventuality you simply loose the station you have pretty much all your shit into ...LOL @ PL ... you guys (simply put) must be really retarder ... 1 for believing that such an effort will actually stop any one of doing any thing and 2 for believing SOLAR will gather all the wealth in a single station and allow it to be conquered.
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Money isn't the only currency.
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Red Alliance - Kill all Russians!
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Yes. A whole fucking row of red fucking buttons. Stupid fucking hummies. Waging holy wars about which side we should start eating an egg from. Or how should we name an Nth power of 10 when counting three-legged cats. Since over9000 BC. I hate you all and I hope there's a special hell for every single one of you. Fuck, I don't even believee in hell...
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Let me tell you about bubbles anchored around a station...
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And yet, people watched them do it. Across null last week, people were nudging each other and asking "are they really doing what they look like they're doing?"
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No one will buy the assets, because they are station locked.
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Do something about it
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This, tbh. NPC null has the highest quality action in all of Eve.
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Plus, the station is permabubbled. There has to be a coordinated rescue op from Solar if they want to get their jump capable ships out of that station.
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Like all simple ideas, it was simple and bound to appear to pretty much anybody who thinks about it hard enough. But to my knowledge it wasn't done before. Perhaps others want to use the stations they conquer, idk.
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I mined about 600mil in about two hours from nullbears/bots last night. I think they can stay.
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Because bubbles tend to be anchored on a Station forever ...
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It's an awfully BIG assumption, in thinking that THAT is ALL that Solar has to it's name, and that they actually WANT IT OUT of that station.I doubt it, on both counts!
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'That sound kinda problematic, i mean with the firepower PL can put in a system in like 10 minutes''When facing a force of 100 titans and 400 supercarriers'Probably you are talking about another alliance when referring to 'PL', we were talking about PL as in Pandemic Legion, the same alliance that was bragging (about a few years ago) owning 600 supers while wining about not being able to raise a fleet bigger than 100 grunts. No offense buddy but I hardly doubt that PL alone can field 200 dudes in a fleet and that with many (if not all) dual-triple boxing ;) - in which case the actual number of supers they own is irrelevant :)
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Solar never wanted Gudfites either. That anyone would suggest somehow null suffers a great loss of action because they are gone clearly was not involved in this war, for they only fought three times the entire war, with cynojammers at their back. God help those poor bastards who could only play in the US TZ, they saw even less of Solar.
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'Plus, the station is permabubbled' - permabubbled as in temporarily bubbled you mean ...It's not like PL will 24/7 365 days a year keep that station bubbled, give it a month and we shall see how bubbled that station really is :) Patience is a virtue and SOLAR has proven more than once they are masters at it!
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Theres a new outpost built every other day or so, soon enough all of null will be populated with outposts
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You're thinking sex?
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Yeah this sounds awesome, I wish eve was such that we could have this but it's not. Because it's as easy or easier to accumulate assets in highsec/losec/npcnull but with no risk of this happening this would dramatically deincentivize trying to build your wealth up in sov space.
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I stand edumacated.
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Not all people are equipped to pay the price some people demand.
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Jar'Jar: Yousa could be sayin that.
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Is that still a thing?
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And if outposts become destructible there will only go a few months before only one coalition have outposts. how is that any better?
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Leave TEST out of this.
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this
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There are stories of renters in nullsec simply convoing the conquering alliances leadership and asking how much money they need to see in their paypal account to let the renters stay.I doubt this will end much differently.
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We're the odd, flamboyantly gay uncles of Eve- there's no "undesired" anal penetration!
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You must be unfamiliar with what jump cloning actually allows them to do. At best they will get to undock once with a single load. Are you telling me everyone there is a jf pilot? Everyone there has the ability to fly high m3 capacity ships?I think not. The fact is that they will have to wait a considerable amount of time to evac one single load of whatever ship with the most space they have. That station will be watched. Any plans for an organized evac will be watched. A small smattering of escapes might happen on down the line, but the cost in time will be heavy.
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If i remember well, CCP thought to make sov station destructible but with a kind of automoving assets inside to another station. There is not only hangar assets but also market assets !
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"Thus far, SOLAR numbers remain perfectly flat".Same guys with a lot of alts.
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Docking rights.You OWN the station. Hostiles don't get to use it as a safe harbor.
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What evidence is there that all of these assets are locked away?
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lmao says a member of NCdot, an alliance that has been blue to PL for, what, two years now? all while decrying "blues" and "napfests"northern "let's blue every supercapital fleet of consequence" coalitiondotor is it northern "let's put our entire weight as a voting bloc behind a teenager who will only cry about nerfed tracking titans" coalitiondot?
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Yeah calling horseshit on this. Since you have 15-20k blues.
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And what's the true way of finding out how much alliance assets are there? The "gazillions in locked assets" thing gets thrown around a lot, but it's yet to be disclosed how the numbers came to be in the first place. I might as well declare that N3 is a hive of scum and villiany because Vince has a basement full of lolis chained to walls and go ahead prove me wrong.
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This war was a sov war, you never get gudfites in them. And that's fine, these wars happen. But fuck the total annihilation ending. How many solar pilots wil come back to null? They never fought as much as other alliances, sure. But they fought. And how many true enemies do we have now?And BTW, I'm in dreddit. Why do we need more than Fountain? A blue delve can get fucked. A blue cloud ring can get fucked. Fuck your soft resets. Give me three true neutral alliances in titan jump range and go fuck your world domination.
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You are right, our blue list is a shameful millstone around our fucking necks. Do you know the last time I went on a small t1 cruiser roam against true neutrals? Fucking 2012!!But what can I do? Most people in private agree but you raise this on TEST forums and the same people give you -20 score in 5 minutes. Fuck the conformist groupthink.
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And who did force you into HBC, mr. Part-of-the-problem?
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Then again you may underestimate the patience SOLAR has …between these 2 I tend to go with SOLAR, they were pretty much constant in alltheir existence while PL were easily distracted by external factors … it’s notlike they have nothing better to do than camping a station indefinitely. Whilesupers & caps are quite mobile these days it takes a while to move themfrom one end of the map to another, PL can’t be in more than one place at atime.
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Are you retarded? Solar fought almost every time when NC, PL, Nulli, RA and there plethora of pets didn't have 100+ slowcats and supers logged in system
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$30k when you convert it to real money you say? heres a simple idea that actually could work: contact someone who is willing to buy off the stuff for real money, do some social engineering to discover the real identity/location of the people holding the station, hire someone (shouldnt be hard for the russians :P) to beat the shit out of them and "convince" them to release the station....once you have your assets back sell some of the stuff to regain the money you spent for hiring a "diplomat"......problem solved.....
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What is that alliance called Deadzoned? Why are they unbribeable? (A newbie asks)

Currently, outpost destruction is only a dream. When you flip a station, there is a certain amount of satisfaction in the act, but it is hardly the death blow to alliances in this current climate of sprawling coalitions. It takes very little effort for a "defeated" alliance to slide one of their spy alts into the station, transfer over what is not able to be hauled out in the first undock, then ferry things out to friendly jump-capable ships put in place just before downtime, one convoy at a time. In that way, slow though it might be, you can eventually finish your evacuation of assets despite the loss of sovereignty and outpost control. Historically, the only thing really lost when sov is flipped is pride and the assets of some line members who weren't paying attention.  

For many alliances over the years, the sov loss was only the outward sign of an internal collapse which was already underway. Usually, the two come hand in hand, so there is a correlation between sov loss and alliance collapse. However, correlation is not causation. A handful of alliances have been stomped into the ground, only to rise back from the ashes time and time again. So people who aren't thinking about the mechanics marvel at these phoenix-like alliances and say things like "Red Alliance never dies!" or "AAA does not forgive" (suggesting you can beat them down but they'll come back and return the favor). These alliances survive despite sov losses simply because they never actually lose much.  

So, how do you hit an enemy where it hurts?  How do you actually harm them?  How do you finish them?

 

Pandemic Legion Jail

Manfred, of Pandemic Legion, pulled out an idea he had back when Pandemic Legion were rolling Northern Coalition, a work around that effectively "removes" the outpost. He had initially pitched it to Vince, but the idea never went further than the drawing board. Instead of flipping the station to the victorious alliance (in this case, PL), which would allow anyone with a spy on the blue list to access the station and thus evac the outpost, they created a new alliance. Deadzoned is an alliance with a single corporation. That corporation has only three members, each a person who can be trusted not to be persuaded by the bribes an alliance with trillions of stuck assets would offer up. The new alliance has the station locked down for alliance access only, effectively limiting access to the station to those three unbribeable people.

So what's left inside R3P0-Z? 200+ JF loads worth of minerals (T2/T1). 500+ fit Maelstroms from their SRP. Countless trapped assets of line members. To put these numbers into perspective, SOLAR alliance has between 1-2 trillion isk worth of assets locked up now. A trillion isk is roughly $30,000. Gone. What would you do to get that back? It will be interesting to see how this progresses. Thus far, SOLAR numbers remain perfectly flat. No one has jumped ship. Business as usual. No need to panic.

Right now, SOLAR and PL are in a staring contest. Who will blink first? Will Pandemic Legion let the station slip into SOLAR-friendly hands some day, by either forgetting about it or being busy elsewhere? Will SOLAR collapse? Will SOLAR and PL negotiate a settlement? There's a lot on the line, so it is unlikely either will back down quietly from this new turn of events. Three people have the keys and they remain anonymous. Manfred calls station locking the new meta and sends of an ominous parting comment:

"Whats the next Deadzone?  Stay tuned!"

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Bagehi began playing Eve in 2003 briefly, then returned in 2006. He has been part of IAC, NC, SoCo, and HBC during that time. He has a thing for history, but mostly spends his time IRL in a corner office, staring at financial reports, like a MMD.