Convicted to Leave CFC

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sad what happened to convicted. . I like convicted . They are more about quality than quantity . at least thats how I got to know them.I am hoping for your comeback.Bai Bai Conviced <3-FA-
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It was shaping up to be a slow news day. Here on themittanidotcom we have ways of fixing that.
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"They are more about quality than quantity."This could be the reason they were shown the door?:tinfoil:
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No, as in all cases of CFC departures it's a case of either poor integration with the coalition, or bad participation.. or both.You can be as 'quality' as you want, but if you won't show up for coalition ops you can't be part of a coalition.
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If by quality over quantity you mean they had like, 5 people that weren't terrible then yeah, definitely.
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This is pretty shit news. Wusti is a really cool dude that generally has only the best intentions for his members, and has been that way since i have known him. Unironic ohseven mate, and hopefully you continue to lead AIF into a new area for you to enjoy.
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My Corp joined C0NVICTED one month ago and i really liked it here... and then out of nowhere, this. I'm sad. :(
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Hopefully this won't mean the end of Convicted used to fly with Convicted great bunch of guys hope u guys can bounce back.I have much respect for Wusti all the best in your future en devours.
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dude shh ur making a scene lol just chill this happens a lot
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even tho i dont like the mittani i do not approve this message,
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shhh, do you hear it? it's the sound of :butthurt:
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Maybe you weren't aware 3-Gun was in convicted? I'd say more than 5.
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As a former WIdot member I find it kinda funny that there is now a verb made from the name.
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how dare you wish that upon anyone you immature little pissant basement dweller. mittens may be a hated persona in eve online, however he is a real human being with real friends and family. life is precious in all shapes, sizes and forms. I hope for you and your family's sake, you grow up
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farewell AIF, has been a good time with you, spacebros. i hope you find some green pastures o7
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Just no dude wtf u have some issues go back into your hole and think about what u say b4 u rage like an absolute fuckwit again
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Are you a fuckhead? Your IP address just got traced. Thanks :)
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Not the Australians! :(
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Fucking flagged as inappropriate!
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Whether this is some kind of bad troll or real hatred, you are a toxic human being.
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What is wrong with you?
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I had the very highest of respect for Vile Rat and this comment is a fucking disgrace.
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I'm sad to hear this, AIF guys have been great to fly with and add their own flavour of content in the AU TZ, one which can be difficult at times in EVE. Hopefully I see many of you again in other alliances in the CFC and look forward to flying with you again.
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its kinda hard 2 participate as your main TZ is when we are sleeping over here in Aussie land... but i bet u didn't think about that
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so uhh, you guys are all okay with taking the bait huh?
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Aif literally had 15 active aussies. Wusti had a wonderful way of driving away the tz he was trying to support.
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Or, you know, some alliance wanting more and more tech for themselve, and poaching more and more corps from their "ally". There are no pets in the CFC, just placeholders unti "this alliance" come and takes what it wants.
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You listed one guy. So how is listing one guy convincing anyone they have more than 5 if you can only think of one?
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Nice job getting them all to take the bait!
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Oops FA killed another cfc alliance again! Lol. But really as a member of one of the USTZ corps that recently left convicted, wusti was notoriously hard to work with, refused to even appoint any alliance USTZ leadership, and seemed to get angry if we did anything besides POS grind.
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Comment was pretty fucked up, but figures a medic would pull the "all life is beautiful lets all have butt sex in the flowers" card. 9/10 medics are fcking weirdos.
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Any word at all on why Convicted got thrown out? I know they were at least reasonably active in Geminate and it's not like the CFC has had any serious campaigns running in the last 2-3 months.It seems strange that such a long-term CFC alliance (one of the original ones after NC died) got thrown out with no real explanation to the general membership. I guess at least the corps got offered new spots in the other CFC alliances, but still from an outsider perspective it doesn't seem very fair.
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That mail is a bit too nicey. Where are the spilled blood and guts, booby traps and petrol bombs? Boo hisss, more bloodshed and carnage needed.
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Stagnant leadership can kill any aliance in the CFC. Im sure theres more than one aliance in the vale of the silence that has this issue.
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Enjoyed living with ya'll in Vale, you are good neighbors. Good Luck guys
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I'm assuming you are a member of INK. I'd get mad at your corp too seeing as the only fleet your head FC didn't welp was your evac to join FA. Should fit in well with zagdul. Good luck wherever you end up AIF.
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This message, is maybe the most handsome and tactful I readed for such event, who generate usually a lot of drama and tears. Good luck to AIF
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Just a little information...AIF has been given a huge part of Vale and a good number of techmoons as payout for participation in the recent wars. There were no serious deployments or anything since. Plus: "Asked to leave" is not "got booted".
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Random windowlicking thicko is very random....I'm puzzled you even know how to type with those hairy paws...
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I wouldn't.
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Just like "getting let go" isn't getting fired.
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Tri-Gun stopped doing their really cool "low-sec napocs + triage" thing the moment they joined C0nvicted, so they had skill but weren't using it.
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you must not look at killboards. once AIF lost INK their board went from green to red. they were their largest corp and with the most kills each month. when you learn to read and do some research you can post again.
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Join N3.
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Maybe you weren't aware 3-Gun was in convicted? I'd say less than 5. (fixed it for you)
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because BLOB Warfare ( example : CFC / HBC ) is sadly about quantity and not quality.You are the best example . NC. and buttbuddys are not bad at pvp - still they lost tribute etc. to the CFC.So Faglona, is this the reason why you are so butthurt about my comment ?
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Don't know this leader at all, but at least he made a good "goodbye" post, which should allow his members to continue to do stuff without too much issues.
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loosing people in AZ TZ is bad for CFC...
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I know zero about what happened here. Don't know who Convicted is nor the game nor metagame issues that got them to this point. What I do know is that this letter shows CFC is (potentially?) losing a very classy alliance leader.
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Hi. Fuck you, you immature little pissant.
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Uhoh now CFC has no AUTZ again!
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Sad to see this happen but this downfall is sadly the alliance leaderships own fault. You can not have a leader in charge who is so difficult to work with he is kicked out of coalition channels. You cannot have a leader who gets kicked out of vale channels because he can't sort his jump bridge. You can't have a leader who screams on comms at people. You can't have a leader who bubbles the station undock and a super pos of a corp that is leaving for another CFC alliance. You cannot have a leader who secretly records teamspeak and then posts it on alliance forums. You can't have an alliance leader who doesn't realize he is no longer a leader of an AU Tz alliance but of a multitime zone alliance. Wusti? Classy? Anything but.
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There's another use for it as well, regularly regarded synonymous to 'bad posting'.
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ooh god LOL, This cracked me up!
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We know what it takes to make poasts worseand we know what it takes to put a podder in a hearse.
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The problem with my corps integration within the alliance is that we were made to look as bad guys, after we redid all of the alliance fitting doctrines and started exercising quality fleet control over the normal INK standard of kitchen sink welp fleets, INK began to push back against strict fittings and doctrines, calling us elitist. This began an unfortunate internal power struggle which resulted in INK being kicked from c0nvicted and a few other scrublord corps,going with them. For better or for worse, these corporations leaving AIF in the last few weeks can now find a new home where bads are allowed to be bads.
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Which part is untrue exactly?
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what participation? AIF numbers were horrible in the tribute war.
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wusti has said at aussie fan fest that convicted hasn't been an aussie tz alliance for a year or so. they have more euro's than aussies. next
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I don't have any specific information on this particular case, I'm just stating the reasons for any and all CFC departures in the past. In 99% of the cases poor participation or similar circumstances were to blame.
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Wrong
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I like this comment. Room for Convicted in the south. Get on the horn with N3 Diplo's. Another couple of strong Alliances and N3 will be able to stand up to the other 2 abominations.
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Might want to get your facts right first mate. 1. He didnt record teamspeak, that was a 3-gun dude - and it was epic2. he wasnt even online when we were bubbling the station, and the super pos was never bubbled.3. Our jumpbridges were just fine.But dont let little things like facts get in the way of having trolling, that would just be wrong.
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Convicted needs to go back to what they where in the good old days an AU TZ alliance of hard core mother fuckers who can fight out numbered take some space and be a nomad group of Aussies who the big alliances call on for help guerrilla warfare is another word that comes to mind i remember when we deployed against 2 alliance well over 500 members each and we had 400 members we killed TCU's and destroyed their sov those where the days that was what Convicted was good at go back to your roots show EVE what u good at
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lol a CFC alliance talking bout KB stats it's cute guys really lol
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terrible comment, be banned
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No, it doesn't. It only shows corps leaving and not the reason why nor does it show why the CFC decided on a kick instead of trying to prop up the alliance.
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Tribute was the first and only war that was fought mostly in AUTZ.Their participation was nearly non existent, they refused to address any of the issues that were brought up during the CFC AUTZ plankton initiative even going so far as to not deploy on the first AUTZ cfc deployment. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. But its sad to see an AUTZ Alliance die.
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You sir are woefully misinformed and would appear to be somewhat retarded. Try again
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The standing order from CFC Sky team was to deny fights and to stand down and NOT form up in order to demoralize the defender. There are multiple pings and chat logs to support this. The first deployment of the CFC AUTZ was actually in ZLZ, home system of AIF.
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you screwed your entire alliance wusti all because your a greedy tit with an "aussie is god" complex and you are the biggest hot head since bobby atlas. your a cotton headed ninny muggins.
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3-gun was told to leave shinys in lowsec as they wouldnt be used star the ceo founder left due to rl then joined VOC so a lot of the fun stuff was somewhat snuffed and with no active enemies near most of the core group went afk or left to PL and BL cause they had fights I dont think 3-gun will be around for to long atleast not with the expertise it once had.
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I guess I'll draw you a map since analysis is clearly not a strength. AIF averages about 1000 pilots. There have been almost 500 pilots move in and out of AIF in the past 4 months. 1400 pilots (more than the size of the alliance) in the past year. Only two of the corps have been in the alliance more than a year (this is significant since their current home was conquered a year ago). All of this information (freely available on Dotlan), points to widespread, systemic, and long-term issues.It's fine for alliances to have a "rough patch." However, over a year of this and an essentially revolving door membership into the CFC is not what I'd call a "rough patch." If corps are leaving as soon as they can for other alliances, something is wrong.
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Because the good EVE players allow Lo-Sec gate guns to do a majority of their DPS, right?
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Please provide details as to the said welps? We would had to upset 3guns Isk/hr efficiency
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*hate - I'm a bad poster :(
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Don't be a bitch wust, fight our way out of Gem like last time!
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Wusti is a good man. Hope he lands somewhere fun.
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That's because your corp is a pro in ratting
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lmao. not anymore
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This.a) AUTZ was never asked to fight in this war. AUTZ had to get up in the middle of the night to fight aside with CFC mates;b) AUTZ actively started initiatives to do something about the "bore the enemy to death because we wont field in your TZ" thing;c) considering the member count (and especially real member count) of AIF during that war any "lack of participation" accusations are rather ... meh;d) stop that shitposting about participation leading to the parting of AIF, I though you guys use this "kugu" thing for stuff like that;e) staahp it.
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Well if you are going to make IRL employment comparisons, "getting let go" usually implies a "positive" reference, and getting fired means you won't be getting one.
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No, it doesn't.
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Ok, I guess it comes down to what you consider the meaning of that phrase is. You are basically saying it is a euphemism for getting fired (they are the same thing), where I am saying it is another way of saying "laid off".
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The less ammo I have to fire, the better. If some scrublet wants to engage me on a gate and let me scram and tank his ass, I'll gladly let the gate guns shred him.
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HAHAHAHA, SUCKED IN CONVICTED. That'll teach you to suck up to the CFC!

The following message was sent on Wednesday to Convicted [AIF] by their leader, Wusti; AIF has been asked to leave the CFC for reasons which have not been publicly enumerated. AIF has experienced a high amount of corporation 'churn' recently, with more than 400 members leaving within the past three weeks. Convicted shares approximately half of Vale of the Silent with Gentleman's Agreement. This is not the first time an alliance under similar circumstances has been asked to leave the CFC; last year Black Mark, former residents of Cloud Ring, underwent a similar situation.  It appears at the time of writing that most of the AIF corps save those who most recently joined will be finding 'soft landings' with other CFC alliances. 

 

Ladies & Gentlemen of the Fightin’ AIF

Some of you may be wondering what is going on with the current spate of corp departures and ship movements.

There is no way to guild the lily with this news, so I’ll just get it out there straight up:

AIF will soon cease to be a CFC entity.

Debating the rights and wrongs, fairness or otherwise is utterly pointless. Our road in the CFC has not been without its bumps and hurdles over the last couple of years, since they threw us a lifeline after the Geminate Uprising.

There is also no doubt that we have been pushed – I am not gilding that lily either: AIF has been asked to leave. Pretending otherwise would also be pretty stupid. No doubt the haters will come up with a whole host of narratives as to why AIF was so “bad” that we ranked under other CFC alliances in the regard of or peers.

I say to you that way of looking at things would be the wrong way to look at it. I doubt anyone really has any misgivings with regards to our prowess. Instead it is more about a series of issues arising that made us appears to be the “redheaded step-children”, and that in GSF estimation what we provide in terms of manpower and capability has been over-balanced by shit we stir up. It’s obviously more complex than that – but I am not going to feed the conspiracy theorists.

It is what it is.

So on to the next part of this post. What does it mean for AIF, and what options do we have?

First of all, and more importantly than anything I have to say to you: Irrespective of the manner of its end, AIF has forged many friendships and affections with some members of the CFC, and it’s due to our membership that we managed to achieve financial independence and so on.

Therefore:

It is MANDATORY that AIF show some grace and class, and leave peacefully and without rancour.

In point of fact, GSF have given us a number of options which I will now outline:

1. We have been offered the opportunity to “WIdot” appropriate corps into a merged entity which has been invited to join GSF itself as a Goonswarm member corp.

2. Those corporations who wish to remain in the CFC will be found a place and will get my vouch into whatever CFC alliance you deem the most suitable.

3. Depart in peace, evaluate what is left and chart a new course.

I can tell you that my personal very great friend, and a guy I will miss very much, Tiala Belgar and his corps Helios Alliance have made it clear that they wish to remain in the CFC – and they stay with our blessing and my vouch. I’ll always remember our time together fondly HACE. Good luck.

Unfortunately, All 5 and FireStar Inc are too new to be considered eligible to join any potential merged corp, and so we will do our best to see you transfer to another CFC alliance, or you can wait and see what happens post exit. It’s up to you guys – please have your leadership contact me ASAP with your wishes. My apologies for this circumstance, it caught quite a few of us on the hop. Good luck guys.

As you know, IRTN is leaving us as expected.

That leaves PINOY, TNERA, VLA, RUNTS and 3-GUN who are actively removing assets as I type, and given it is probably unreasonable to make a hasty choice, we will be extracting first, and then deciding on an appropriate course of action.

No AIF member is to cause a fuss or carry on, awox or anything else. We have accepted a GSF sov transfer corporation already for the purpose of handing over space and stations peacefully.

This is the end of a long chapter in AIF’s history. I have total confidence in you guys to make the right choices moving forward, and I will do whatever is in my power to facilitate any decision you may choose to make – provided it does not jeopardise the safety or AIF pilots or assets.

Thank you for everything guys, and let’s keep it together during our extraction and be nice to each other no matter what your fellow alliance mates choose.

Goonswarm Federation CEO, Space Tyrant. Likes yoga, Alaskan Malamutes, bacon, and delegation.