Civil War in Amarr Militia

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...That is just silly.This is a silly article.
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Like the start of WW1 in space!Fleet discipline is good guys --- stop shooting what your FC doesn't target call!
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"Lack of content lately doesn't help either."Give me a break. Go figure something out. don't blame your retarded antics on lack of content. make your own content. for christ sakes...
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Flyinghotpocket > just as they trusted mine, and help us save sahtogas, and put the final blow in arzadHAHAHAHA. Oh god, that's gold. How cute, FHP thinks he matters. Why don't you fuck off back to Caldari space, you fag.
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And this is why FW can be interesting.
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Civil wars usually are. For want of a Navy Omen, etc.
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PalimPalim...Isn't that what they're doing?
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Only in EVE. This stuff is great.
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People still fly in the Amarr Militia?
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I am not certain. But it sounds like those publords are killing pubbies.
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FW civil war. I see frigate deaths everywhere.
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Welp Tristans.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
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OH NOES ANOTHER L33T PEEVEEPEE NC. MEGA SP BRO OMG NO PLS PLS DON'T PRESS F1.
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Because of Tristan
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Bahaha Pred so buttmad.Better get your batphone ready baby, can't win a fight without PL eh!
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Lest we forget "Because of falcon".
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Even though TOWS has more caps, pred is always the one rushing to jump in triage, probably because he doesn't know how to win otherwise.The minmatar might put up with this shit, but J4LP isn't gonna. I guarantee you before this war is over DBD will have lost (yet another) carrier.
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FC did call the Vaga, it was a neut and there was no mention from Pred that they were flying together.
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wouldn't be the first time he lost one to j4lp either
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who are the publords as a cfc pet I wish to know.
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I read this article butt naked.
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Yes but the excuse "Lack of Content..." is such a piss poor reason for any action. This is a proverbial sandbox after all. When you stick your toddler in a real sandbox.... do they say "you didn't tell me what to do!" They just go and do their thing (unless of course they should have been put in the WoW box and need everything spoon fed to them....)Lack of Content is an excuse that the unimaginative use to try and justify their actions.
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I understand that there's previous history of tension, but the fact that this war started over the death of a mighty tristan is just epic.
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Combat detaila are off in this post. Other then that great interviews. Good to see the dark side of amarr mililtia politics being discused
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You're missing the point, there is a lack of content, so they're making content, geddit?
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The archon was not pandemic legion, it was me....... i am in DBD. There were 2 ospreys, not 3, they were both me..... Also "they stopped engaging once it was called." No, no they didnt, i had a retard chasing me around the battlefield trying to catch my osprey.....
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soooooooo they're having a pubbie dickwaving contest over a t1 frigate?lmao
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Love it. More civil wars, please.
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I don't think you "get" war. It isn't really about what happened but why. In Null, wars have been started over carrier kills, battleship kills (both of which could be easily replaced with their incomes) and all sorts of other reasons, even words. Frigate, battleship, super..... a kill is a kill when it comes to politics.
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Dammit, Tristan.
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I don't think it matters...not to the mouthbreathers on the chicken side, at least. They will shed their tears, and ultimately it is inconsequential.That J4LP high command is full of autists who should have been aborted at birth is still a given.
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You mean the cap fleet that they lost to PL grinding sov? I'm sure they look forward to losing that cap fleet to PL again the first time they try to drop it on pred.
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"Rina Kondur > We also were waiting on a confirmation from pred that the vaga was in fact with themRina Kondur > and it came way late"As a member of Death by Design and being present on field during this incident, I can confirm this is not true.Pred spammed a joint ops channel with Fweddit in it so many times to stop shooting, that it actually muted him. We sat there for several minutes waiting for them to stop shooting, but the only thing that made them stop was the destruction of the Tristan.There was absolutely no order given to destroy the Tristan or attack any Fweddit members, and the neutral Vagabond was simply defending itself from neutral tacklers. Feffri, the only pilot in Death by Design that attacked and laid the final blow, admitted to firing a salvo to deter the attacking Tristan -- but didn't intend to destroy it. However, by the time his missiles hit the Tristan, the Vagabond had already put it into low armor, thus resulting in it's destruction.Fweddit's inability to properly communicate with friendly fleets in the area is the real cause of this silly war. The bottom line is that they attacked one of our fleet members and were asked to stop several times, and never did. The neutral Vagabond that they attacked simply reacted to a threat and destroyed the attacker, and then Death by Design was blamed for Fweddit's ignorance.This is a damn shame, and the Minmatar militia will be laughing while they take all their systems back. Fweddit is to blame here, not Death by Design. This article does a bad job at showing that.
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:popcorn:
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Hope you like killing fweddit. Since fweddit intends to bring a fight, I expect to see PL fighting on our side almost every fight this conflict at least until we crush them the first few times!
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Our pleasure. I can't stop laughing at fweddit chestbeating like a bunch of autists when the war has already been decided since we have PL on our side to counter their blob.
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bring me Katerina Tzestu's head *jabba voice*
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FW are seriouzzzz buzzzzineeezzzzz!!!
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I'm in Matar FW and I do not trust any other Matar pilot if we aren't officially blue to one another. You can blame Russians.
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I see no good vs evil. I see a bunch of egomaniacs whacking each other with their e-peens.
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Let me know how that works out for you...Please realize, that we will probably drop on you just as quick as we would drop on them. I would imagine at this point that just about everyone in the Amarr/Minmatar Warzone has at least ONE person they know in PL to convo if assistance/drops are needed.
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So a bunch of FW nubs are crying over a vagabond loss? This is news for some reason? When did TMC turninto evenews24?
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Pft this is normal for Amarr milita
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It's not about the loss - it's about sending a message.
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It's weird how you seem like a bro in those comments but you fly with PL, who are always willing to help when Pred messes with someone who wants to field capitals!
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Even then it can be entertaining. It's a good piece of PVP content for people not wanting to go all in with Nullsec or Wormholes.
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Vaga didn't die sounds like. A Tristan did, but obviously there are other issues. This is EVE. Personality means a lot. Lets not pretend that isn't the case in Null, Hisec, wherever.
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Funny. No mention of the OTHER LIVES LOST THAT DAY!!! https://zkillboard.com/detail/...
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haha Pred and Death By Design are always the enemy, even in their own milita. They drop militia and pirate, then re join, etc etc. Too bad the vaga didn't die! Tristans should have killed it before the reps landed!Pred is notorious for switching sides/siding with anyone when it's convinent for him.
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Of course you can't trust Pred and any group he leads. Trying to work with them is just asking for problems. Now, when he was really the lead Amarr FC in US TZ, at least there were amarr to fight. But still, no one can actually trust Pred.
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yes! minmatar do laugh at the amarr in-fighting. course it happens in the minmatar milita too, but that's besides the point!
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all true xolve. no one actually 'trusts' pred. he flip flops a lot. that dosen't mean the vaga is worng to defend itself, but sure.i've seen this sort of thing happen often, but usually someone gets a new tristan and no one war decs over it. It is acutaly pretty easy to shoot a netural in an otherwise friendly gang. It happens during combat too, when you keep looking for the next target and don't realize that one neutral guy is with the blue gang. my guess is, this escaladed into a war because pred is unlikable.
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pred will bat phone PL if he see's a capital he can cyno on. He will also kill PL if one of their pilots is found alone and stupid and someone else answers teh bat phone. that's the whole point. pred isn't someone who is on your (or anyone's) side and he can't be trusted. but you can bat phone him and he will try to find someone who wants to gank a cap.he will call minmatar cap pilots to hot drop and gank someone if that's all he can find.xolve is probably right on there too, that it was the conversation afterward that started the war, not the tristan being blown up. pred (or the vaga) could have probably sent the dead tristan 200k isk and said sorry - dont shoot at us next time! (they did get the km afterall, the rest hardly matters) but instead argued on pricipals (you shot first! there was no danger! you suck! die!) and it turned into a pissing match of blame and then war!funny stuff really
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yeah, PL will hot drop stuff they can kill and they don't even care if it's someone as lowly and untrustworthy as Pred who lights the cyno. I've seen Pred light a cyno to kill a PL ship, too. They aren't BFFs that work well together. Pred's a tool PL uses, and he tries to use PL to get on KMs too.
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Trusting pred. Lol. Pred is one of the worst guys in EVE man.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... This is Predator Elite folks. He punches a hole in the wall. This is proof how bad URGD are.
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I heard killing a 5 million ISK tristan causes sov wars.
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actually duder final blow was by DBD not the neut vaga
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CUEBICK!!!!!don't make me hurt you

At 0310 EVE time on November 4th, a misunderstanding at the sun in Kourmonen resulted in a civil war within the Amarr militia. 

A joint Imperial Outlaws <I.LAW> and I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth <J4LP> fleet was roaming around Kourmonen, looking to fight a neutral cruiser fleet that was also in the area. The joint fleet was comprised of around 10 tristans, and Death By Design [URGD] was also out and offered to assist in trapping the neutrals into a fight. Death by Design informed the joint fleet that they had a neutral flying with them who was providing logistics support after it was mistakenly tackled, and it was let go.

However, [URGD] also had a neutral Vagabond with them. It was the first to land at the sun, where both fleets were meeting up, and it was pointed by the joint fleet. The rest of [URGD]'s fleet landed shortly afterwards, and reps were thrown onto the Vagabond as well as calls to stop aggression. Aggression was stopped, but not before a Fweddit tristan was dead with another in  half armor.

Soon afterward <J4LP> declared war on [URGD]. It seemed a grudge match between the two groups would work itself out with some light militia on militia violence, but a full blown civil war exploded into being when <I.LAW> also declared war on [URGD], prompting Filthy Bastards <0FCKS> to come to [URGD]'s defense. Upon hearing of the war and how it started, Team Amarrica <FUQYA> also declared war on [URGD] an hour later.

I set out to talk to the leadership involved to see why war had come to the Amarr Militia when things were starting to look so good.

Rina Kondur - I whip my slaves back and Forth

Rina Kondur is the CEO of Fweddit [FW0RT] and Executor of I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth <J4LP>, as well as one of the main FCs for the Amarr Miltia.

Raphael Saint > So, I'm guessing that the vaga incident was just the straw that broke the camel's back. What were the other straws?

Rina Kondur > It's more of just an old feud I'd seen. Relations between [URGD] and <J4LP>  ever since we entered FW have always been rough.
Rina Kondur > We've butt heads with them before, last time resulting in them dropping from milita after losing a neutral carrier.

Raphael Saint > Old scars?

Rina Kondur > Yeah, sadly its nothing amazing.
Rina Kondur > We're just a bit bored as of late and I'm weary of the same issues every couple months.
Rina Kondur > If you fly with neuts don't try to work with other allies and expect your neuts that land alone not to be shot.

Raphael Saint > Communication is key in any relationship.

Rina Kondur > Yeah.
Rina Kondur > It's not about any hard feelings or anything, at least not from us.

Raphael Saint > Not hard feelings, but fustrations over the same issues time and time again, though?

Rina Kondur > Yeah I suppose so.
Rina Kondur > Lack of content lately doesn't help either.

Raphael Saint > Idle hands
Raphael Saint > When were <J4LP> members killed, before or after they had stopped agressing the Vagabond, and how many?

Rina Kondur > One of our tristans died
Rina Kondur > I was in armor
Rina Kondur > We had a 10 man tristan fleet
Rina Kondur > Doing like 100dps a piece
Rina Kondur > No threat to a vagabond with ospreys repping it
Rina Kondur > So the response to kill people over it was a bit much imo
Rina Kondur > Our typical response is to just rep fleet members that might get shot over such misunderstandings
Rina Kondur > and just leave or jump out if possible
Rina Kondur > We also were waiting on a confirmation from pred that the vaga was in fact with them
Rina Kondur > and it came way late

Raphael Saint > Too late to save the tristan?

Rina Kondur > We had no logi or anything
Rina Kondur > and they killed the tristan after saying it was friendly

Raphael Saint > Filthy Bastards has joined the war on the side of Death By Design due to J4LP's killing of an Amarrian Militia carrier (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20141692). Any comments on the kill or the situation there?

Rina Kondur > Carrier was neutral to us as their corp had dropped alliance
Rina Kondur > and werent active in militia
Rina Kondur > Some weird bug i assume with ccp
Rina Kondur > It would be considered an awox if we were blue and/or even knew these guys
Rina Kondur > But he cyno'd 1000 km off a station

The carrier that <J4LP> killed has been a point of contention ever since it happened. <J4LP> says that the carrier was not in the militia at the time of it's killing, a claim supported by the corp's alliance history, as the carrier was killed on the 25th of October. Arguments against this stance are that <J4LP> should have recognized the corp as it has been in Amarr militia for years, and that the pilot and members of the corp had been telling <J4LP> to stop firing in the militia channel.

I've been in Amarr FW since mid-2009 and haven't enjoyed myself since. I also play around on DUST 514 from time to time.