CFC War Update: Not Winning Fast Enough

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Hmmm, this update was a little...shorter than the others...Running out of things to spin, mittens?
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Long live the CFC!
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more lies... u need more lies to control your CFC sheeps.
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Read words much?
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VFK by what year was it again? When you think test and friends going to stop forum raging and chest pounding and actually do what they say?
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Right where they want us!
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Congratz on 4-EP btw, it's not like you're going to deploy there because you know that would be the shortest path to losing this war...
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didn't want that space so fast anyway...
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The only thing that can realy brake the CFC is if the 3 powers that fight them NC/PL/N3 have the balls to use the 200+ supers they can muster, to their advantage. They made an impresive show retaking SOV last week.But, i would not be impressed, if the diplomatic abillity of the above writer will offer some tournarounds in the folowing weeks.
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It's a sad thing how in your world everything is reduced to isk. I guess it makes things easier ...
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So taking a constellation is not accomplishing anything? Didn't take it fast enough? Troll harder.
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Its not really ballsy to use your supers when the only people who can fight you are on your side
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Phase 3: Counter-attack.Helicopter-dicking 30+ systems per day coming to CFC space.
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Good luck funding fleets on Sunshine and Rainbows.
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Well, at least the CFC isn't making progress too fast for Mittens' liking anymore. That's positive, right?
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Supers are near useless against subcaps.To use Supers TEST/N3/PL will have to do it in AU tz, where everyone has vastly reduced numbers and by extension a much smaller super fleet and support fleet.With the current sov mechanics the CFC would just put their timers to hit in EU/US tz where they have dominance and either TEST/N3/PL will come and get blobbed to hell or abandon the timer.Oh and noone is stupid enough to have a super/cap fleet out without support in system or nearby.
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GUYS I think there are a few TEST members that read these articles religiously or something. As an outside observer, I didn't read any of the "lies" these tryhards are spewing about, all I see is the truth that CFC is taking space steadily, and TEST leadership are admitting their broker than dirt. Where's the lie?
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If only TEST could get the same participation for their fleets as they get for their shitpost and up/down vote campaign in the TMC comments section.
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It's not the length.It's how you use it.
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I don't think you understand how large scale sov warfare works.
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So it seems the war is turning around and the big bad elites of eve doesnt have the combined firepower to stop the CFC from trucking further and futher into Fountain.Its kind of amusing to read comment and say how bad the CFC is while they get ass kicked from left to right.How bad does that makes you then, losing from baddies ? lulzRemember that you outnumber us in this war :P ^^Losing key battles and sometimes not even turning up for importand timers shows fatigue and massive morale drop.The beast isnt slain yet, but its wounded, deeply wounded if i may say.Victory is is near, Roma Victor !!!!!! Hodor !!! oh shit thats a Test line !!!
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It's an alliance update. Why can't people read and comprehend the first paragraph? I'd tell you to gtfo, but Mittens appreciates your ad revenue.
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Given the way they've been fighting, I'd say the CFC definitely has TEST on our side this time. Just not PL and N3.
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Picturing Z9PP w/supers instead of carriers means picturing a scenario where there is no threat of escalation, because it's already happened - and the supers are the ones trapped.If we could muster multiple bomber groups and 4 fleets of megathrons for trapped TEST archons, what do you think we'd put together for 200 trapped supers? The pings would blot out jabber's sun.
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You are really bad at Discus. You have posted the same link to dotlan a half dozen times, while getting increasingly aggressive about complaining about us deleting it. Except that we haven't been deleting it. All those posts were live until just now when I noticed you spamming the site and took them down.
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You do know there's an editor's note right?
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Last time you guys went and send "some" "alliances" to help solar tell me again how that went.. Other then losing titans in your staging systems...
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Yup a single small battle is conclusive proof the CFC is losing the war effort.
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Damn, that's gangsta yo. Congratulations on winning that one battle.
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DL;DRI'm really butthurt about my situation and I'm going to write a novel proving I'm not really butthurt but really it speaks volumes about just how butthurt I really am.
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lol, thx for stopping by
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Why spin the truth when the truth sounds great?
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Combat 131 to your brain - EN24 link - Grazes.Seriously though, if I'm reading that right TEST are saying that up until "earlier this week" the reimbursement queue had 86 billion to pay out (and had maxed at 110 billion), and that in one big binge of going through said queue they have cleared that with at least 40 billion of those funds coming from donations, with some undisclosed portion of the rest also being made up by donations.So at least around half the outstanding reimbursement payouts came from donations, and big thanks have gone out to everybody who donated which filled the reimbursement wallet. TEST reimbursements are literally coming from the kindness of members' hearts, dawwww.
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Splitting text into paragraphs is your friend.
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Although now that I've put my waders on and dived into that wall of text, I've found a little gem to share:"We did not want this war. We wanted to live in peace with our neighbors."That's just beautiful.
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I think you're taking the N3 raison d'etre thing out of context. The coalition update statement reads as "we exist for this war to destroy the CFC", not to simply kill individual CFC members' ships. Why would they "pull out all the stops, put everything on the line, play all our cards, leave nothing for tomorrow" just to pop some ships?
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So you plex your account, and then sell plex to fund your ships? And you're having lots of fun losing the ships you bought with plex? Ok... power to you, I guess.
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Scrap is dead, so much for a dominant au tz. V-d-d returned to the bosom of nc.Wonder what will happen to scrapyard, jewing up in venal?
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If you're going to use slurs like 'retarded' please at least spell them properly. But more to the point, please come back with something more interesting than a foul-mouthed reiteration of the disclaimer that we put at the top of the post.
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Test should ping for support from hisec. Remember that one time where they offered regional ratting passes to rack up money ?Propaganda : If goons prevail, there will be more burn jita ! Live in a free universe ! Donate 1 million to test alliance ! Join and fight along us ! Kill goons ! Fountain war passes : 1 million per day to FEEL THE THRILL OF WAR IN YOUR BORING HISEC LIVES !
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No reason whatsoever ? Oh you think CFC just invades TEST for no reason whatsoever ? What about all these juicy moons ? Let's be real here, who is spinning propaganda more ? They told you that goons want to ruin your game, that they backstabbed you, the people who they considered bros 4 life, for no reason whatsoever ?
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Yes I am. This is a game. It is entertainment. If you would rather spend hours and hours ratting, more power to you. Personally, I will pay a little and buy my ships outright.
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:hfive:
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The facts are so far the war has swung back and forth ike a yoyo,one day CFC may be on top the other TEST and its allies..Its also a fact tat both sides are hurting ISK wise.Theres been rumours of loans being given so CFC alliances can make sov payments.Dont know if its true,but they are there.Its going to take sometime for N3 and co to recover from the SN2 sov drop ect,.Its stable but but they havent fully recovered ,.If they do then i expect the fortunes of war to swing again towards the TEST allies.As for the continued CFC assersation that its taking R64s ,and thus bankrupting TEST.Well the MITTANI virtually admitted that the CFC has lost all its moons in VENAL,So swings and roundabouts
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holy mother of fuck, this.
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we have a logistics division that's more than capable of fuel a region the SBU spam in fountain is far worse than fueling towers in all of delve
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Yes from my understanding N3 and PL interferance only enraged the CFCstill without there interferance Test would have been sent to Delve or NPC nullsec to die.still i expected more from N3 and PL and im a firm beliver that CFC is slowly winning this war.
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Lots of comments deleted this time around.
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N3 and PL capitals/supercapitals can move across the entire map in under a couple hours without breaking a sweat. So their capitals aren't typically split between the regions, with the exception of alts left behind for routing logistics and repping.
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Please do this. Please. You do realize, however, that our timers are *not* scheduled to come out during AUTZ?
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There's a pendulum swinging in the middle of this war. It's colour is BLACK.
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*reject, not ignore
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Please do this BoB4 (or whatever you are now).
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Bad posts get deleted. Alliance Updates bring bad posters.
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You, supposed goon: You are bad at posting. I say this as an ally.
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You do know that ratting isn't the only way to make ISK, right?
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Hours?? Try minutes.
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One of the fascinating things about the war is the level of cognitive dissonance.Ask any Goon who is the best player at the metagame, the best weaver of deception, the master of fooling people and they'll smugly say The Mittani.Then ask them if they believe every word The Mittani says and they'll say yes.
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It was one guy spamming the same link over and over again because he doesn't understand how comment systems work.
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The best way to manipulate people is to tell the truth.
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Slow and Steady wins the race... Fast and Broke just equals Test being able to evacuate Fountain quickly. Hell they already have, they have been staging out of lowsec since we got here. Guess They will regain Fountain staging out of Jita soon enough.
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I, too want to believe.
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So is your up/down ratio proof TEST failcascade is imminent, or that goons have turned forum warrior?
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I like how people keep forgetting the gem roughly between Fountain and Cloud Ring.Poitot.
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goons never take space fast enough its how we roll, no fun in just one head shot we like to keep on twisting the knife sit back and watch the flow of tears.
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Observer it all comes down to rading between the lines and weeding out bullshit and truth :)Most of this can be easely seen on site's like Dotlan and Evekill.comGoons have also the best of the best propaganda people in the damn game, but that doesnt mean each article is propaganda.I think so far we dint even had to use propaganda :P
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No I think he meant ignore, as in what TEST is doing and what part of their name is.
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I'm a goon and I say it's gotta be Booda. How else do you think he's kept that sinking ship afloat this long? Mittens is good, but he's also at the helm of something with less holes than a fucking strainer.
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Test-Donate isk in order to be reimbursed with your donated isk........
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TheMittani himself said this (not a perfect quote, but something along these lines):-truth is intangible, and not clear cut-while lies, lies told well can be powerfulSounds like the base for propaganda yes? But here's the thing, isn't not easier to believe a simple statement someone said rather than the truth which would be the numerous number sheets of the war? Unfortunately that simple statement could be a lie, or a partial truth, which in this case would be as good as a lie.But yea, perhaps at this moment CFC is more secured financially than TEST. Perhaps. And perhaps CFC's fleet participation is better. Perhaps.
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Confirming that if you send Booda your isk he will double it.
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Wow... just wow. Start by crowing about propaganda then go on to say they rejected Sorts plans for war with us (Sort wanted war with N3), that they didnt want war with us (been crowing for it for a full year now) and that Sort gave us 10 systems (it was 5). There is only one line member eating what he is being shovelled without question, and it isnt us pal.
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The only named system in Syndicate!
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He might be from FYAD, they are quite bad at posting. I would love to know how he got past Vyst if that is the case though.
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You are some carebear sir.The fact is that TEST was made by CFC. The fact is that Montolio, your former beloved neckbeard ruler messed up the diplomacy by trying to split up CFC and engage FA in war. "We shot first". Instead of promised good fights your alliance decided to go full retard "griefing" in our space. Your true bros will eat your rotting carcass. Your freedom is virtual, your systems need to be payed for and you are trying to play freedom hippies and having two regions that are very rich and get attacked on a regular basis. If 13 000 nerds starts to harass any entity and spew lies, what can you expect ? Dandelions ?The isk that should pay for your hippie freedom loving empire goes to private pockets. Your new buddies are renters so you speaking about freedom is questionable at least. Confederation ? Do you really think that two old alliances like Nulli and NC. will go formal wedding with your terrible members that spend more time crying in local than pressing ship mods ?I really hope to fight you till the last man, because you don't deserve to control riches of those regions that many had fallen for.
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Who the fuck would live south ?
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Only one from the 3 mentioned doesn't suck at subcaps... guess which ?
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In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.George Orwell
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When there is more than one site publishing news in an effort to be honest, objective and impartial.
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Goon gave birth to TEST. TEST& Goon were the closest friends in the game, and by far.TEST members and leadership have been fooled by NCdot-PL who pulled them into the anti-goon movement last year. TEST leaders tought they were ELITE because NCdot-PL were considering them so high... Pulling TEST on command of a large coalition, including such elite alliances like Raiden, INIT. Since goal of Goon & TEST is to serve their members in a transparent way, the elitist forces have for only goal to DESTROY Goon. They destroyed freedom & democracy from the inside in TEST, assimilating them into their regime... Now they attack Goon from outside.TEST are now like european troops enrolled by force by the Nazi Germany to fight USA & Russia. But its not too late for TEST to wake up and resist to the totalitarian ideal. Theses elitist alliances spit on all of us. We are just dirt to their boots, they will be our friends if we are their pets, slaves or renters and if we are tools for their plans. Exactly like TEST now.Montolio wanted to attack Goon, the timing was not there yet for its bosses, so it failed. Elitists kept reinforcing their control on TEST, that's why I think it left no choice to the CFC to take the offensive before elitists would be ready.I feel that the real goal for Goon in this war is more than moons and revenues... Its also about freeing our TEST friends out of the elitist grasp... About loyalty to them, since we brought them in this game offering them a model of transparency, honesty, liberty, equality, fraternity and equality.Theses reasons sounds noob, is it not? It cant be stated, Goon would be ridiculed... Still, here are the reasons of decency.
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HAHA. Goons would pray it takes hours... more like 15 minutes or less.
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we only say "you're not winning fast enough" because after the war started the mittani wrote an article on this site stating that the cdc was "winning too fast". The Mittani clearly stated that your logistics team was overwhelmed by the progress you made while he was at E3.
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*cfc
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I take it you are not a part of said 'logistics division'?
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God damn, it didn't take long for someone to start spewing WW2 shit all over again. Gettin' all Godwin's Law up in here.Also, most of the cool bros over in TEST jumped ship already anyway.
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MLYP
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You were in a shit wormhole corp if you didn't get at least a partial SRP.
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Describes init as 'elite'. - Expects to be taken seriously.'heh'
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Difference is, win, lose or draw we take those moons back within a fortnight of deploying home. Test are never likely to see their fountain moons again. You really think n3 will give them back if they take them? There are no 'rumours' about test taking loans from NC,. and PL, it's well known to be true. Look at tests fleet numbers and compare them to two weeks ago, then do the same with the CFC. Tell me which side has higher morale.
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It's true!
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When did this even become about INIT.? We've got our own little war in Stain/Esoteria; we have no involvement whatsoever in Fountain, and no current reason to fight on either side.TEST reset us well before the war started; if they hadn't, we would have probably have fulfilled our coalition obligations and would have been bringing 200+ doctrine ships to their EU TZ fleets.Instead, TEST decided that they preferred to rely on the granite endurance of Raiden, an alliance well known for fighting sustained campaigns.
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The point is that to most people it is no fun losing ships they bought with cash. Even if you're filthy rich IRL it's a matter of principle. Throwing your private money into a moon war where some leaders will profit sounds pretty terrible to me.
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What came first, the spin or the win?
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They are basing that time frame off of their own movements.
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Width is also useful.
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Sir, maybe respond to a mod is a bad idea - I'll pray for my soul after - but using a disclaimer to hope people don't react (badly I mean) is burying his head in the sand. Since the beginning of this site, we can read Alliance update from various part of New Eden, some of them better than other and usually, Goon propaganda isn't bad and enjoyable to read - I know this for sure as I were myself a Goon for 2 years - but this one is delusional and pure damage control. These 2 simple assertions should not be taken as an overall argumentation about if or not this is ''vile propaganda'', which I think was pretty well understood by everyone except our little friend who overreacted..
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I'm a Testie and I read this site fairly religiously. Not because of the 'lies' but because on the whole the articles are well written and well informed. Props to the writers.This particular article is an internal update, though. It's purpose is as much to rally the troops as it is to inform them. Most of the comments from other Testies here are mainly there to remind outside observers like yourself that there are two sides to every story...
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Are you actually winning?
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Hey look. Buried in this wall of text are racial slurs. Get out.
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Easy Moses.
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The King is dead. Long live the King!
(Editor's Note: Alliance Updates are aimed at internal audiences and usually are considered the gospel truth by their membership but vile propaganda by everybody else. You should definitely know this by now. This is a CFC Update from The Mittani.)
 
In the last two weeks of war, we have sustained only one significant welp — that was an 80 BS loss this morning in AU TZ. We have had a number of crushing victories: Z9PP, 3WE, the securing of Sov 3 in 4-EP (which hasn't turned yet, but it is now too late for the foe to contest) and the belated admission that TEST is bankrupt to the point of begging for donations. Bonus Round: The latest N3 coalition update states that their entire reason for existing is to kill the CFC, which means that by not losing we are contradicting their very identity. I have no idea why you'd base a coalition designed to defeat the CFC out of the East, but I also have no idea who Nexus Fleet and The Kadeshi are.
 
Things are going pretty damn well. We dominate in EU and US timezones, where a few weeks ago we did not. We can take and win fights until about 9:00 EVEtime in AU TZ, whereupon the NCdot/Scrap Iron Flotilla crew outmatches us. This means that while progress on sov structures is slow and full of punts, hostile fleets and towers are dying reliably, further draining TEST's wallet. You'll note that both the N3 update and the TEST update feature our favorite line: that the CFC is not winning fast enough, that our relentless grinding is slow, that we have 'only' taken the north chunk of Fountain. Veterans of our past wars should already be chortling. 
 
This week the enemy had to do one thing in the aftermath of the Z9PP and 3WE massacres: hit 4-EP with everything they have to prevent it going into Sov 3, whereafter it can be jammed and linked via bridges. They did not do this, and it is now too late; even if they siege it right this moment, 4-EP will still tick over to jammable status. We have slowed down our efforts in the past few days preparing for a 4-EP siege which hasn't come; the foe has essentially ceded Centaur and most of Pegasus to us.
 
Due to moon losses in Delve (to PIZZA) and Fountain (to us) and a lack of financial planning — as well as losing every Rokh not nailed down — TEST is begging on the streets while simultaneously claiming their fleets are still reimbursable. That's a major milestone in this war; unless N3/NCdot give them money to stay afloat, TEST will be running on empty indefinitely. As a result, TEST fleet composition has degraded even more; perhaps 33% of their battleship fleets contain actual battleship hulls. TEST has elected to ignore their bleeding in Delve — either by choice or by ignorance — so their situation has become ever more fragile as PIZZA takes everything in that region not nailed down. 
 
Meanwhile, in the east, SOLAR Fleet has begun a reconquista of their territory taken by N3. You can read a summary of that front here, or you can just chart the steady sov gains SOLAR has made on Dotlan. N3/NCdot continue to have to bounce east regularly to deal with Mactep, who is Not Going Away. 
 
As in Tribute, we progress by relentlessly grinding and/or massacring the foe; with the one exception of this morning, the enemy's experience these past two weeks has either been miserable boredom or being scythed down helplessly (note: this is the same strategy we've been mentioning in war updates/CEO updates this whole war, and it's working). This is reflected in their flagging will, numbers, and fleet composition. Our Siegefleets have been doing heroic work throughout this war; we conquered everything within easy capital range of B-D rapidly, and it is due to heroes like Lyris and Jose Cooper and the endless hordes of stealth bomber pilots who follow in their wake that we've pushed faster than our jammable sov would allow. While Baltecfleets might get all the big showy press during setpiece battles, it's the humble line CFCer with his hold full of torpedoes and an axe to grind who make those slaughters possible. The fleets enable one another, and together have made this war happen. 
 
So that's the update: we continue our slow (too slow, says the foe!) progress, the enemy is bankrupt, we have solid control of two timezones, Solar is forcing N3/NCdot to bounce east more and more, Delve is a Pizza-delivery zone, Siegefleet are Goddamned Heroes, high fives all around and keep up the slow, steady pace.

 

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