CFC vs DnD/LO in Bloody Venal Capital Fight

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Why did I missed this....
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So goons in was glad your fc didn't freak out oh wait a minute
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Nothing quite matches the rush of that cyno going up when you've got your dick in the wind
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I wonder how people like you manage to get up in the morning.
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Seriously! THIS is what makes the game ALL THAT !!!!!!!! AND THEN SOME !!!!!!!!! F-KING AWESOME!!!!!!!
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"This is where all Hell breaks loose and DBRD...."'DaBigRedDerp'
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Worth mentioning that DnD/LO is the exact same group that dropped dreads on PL in Amamake last march, managing to score an Erebus kill in the process. So it's not our first barbecue ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Footage from the dreads perspective, recorded by Sync Vir of Lost Obsession. Footage with comms to follow soonTM.
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From what I understand, the titan that DD'd a friendly carrier has preactivated the doomsday while still locking a dread, only for the dread to die before it finished locking. Then he clicked in space with the DD still hot, causing him to lock and fire upon the carrier.Might be wrong though.
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First ever fight of this type witnessed (outside of sisi) had just turned on the live feed about 30 seconds before all hell broke loose. Was good to watch for a high sec carebear ... makes me want to get out a little
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YES. Get out!
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I would like to thank the responsible parties for once again swelling DBRB's head to Titan proportions. 16-17 Dread kills versus 10 carrier losses, my gawd he will be even more difficult to live with, The really sad part is that i missed the entire thing.
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Giving credit where it is due: for all his hysterics, DBRB knows these dudes and identified them readily (not all FC could say the same). The 'random' qualification is more geared toward the ranks-and-files of the CFC (and most/all 0.0 for that matter) who know jack shit about the alliances not in 0.0, as a way of saying 'no those people are not affiliated directly to any of the current nullsec powerblocs'. You've got to admit that saying 'random' saves time :)Also his reaction asking for the kitchen sink was correct (the other viable option being deaggressing and docking... yeah right who are we kidding here ? It's ****ing DBRB !). Once you get 27 hostile dreads on your ass, you know it's gonna be absolute carnage. The Carrier fleet was in real danger of getting obliterated, or the dreads could do a single siege drive-by and leave (notice how one of the first things BL Zealots did was killing the bubble covering most of the fight ?).In the end, gf for all involved and that's what matters at the end of the day.
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gtfo from hisec and participate, dude. this is where the fun that's left in eve is.
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Im an Ore whore although it is mighty tempting, matter of finding the right bunch of Eu guys
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1 - have a whole fleet of carriers under your control2 - fly a command ship3- don't turn on your gang mods.
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As someone who is unaccustomed to DBRB I can see how you might think that, but this is pretty much DBRB anytime someone gives him a fight. He's so used to cowards like elo knight just docking up that when someone gave him a fight, he full on adrenaline dumped. He was yelling in fleet, global command, and jabber broadcasting at the same time. Titans and supers showed up about as fast as you can login, e-warp, and jump to cyno. If you aren't tank fit like those guys, then he did a pretty good job chopping dicks off. Each of those dreads was at least 3.5b isk, and he killed 17 of them. Not bad for a guy who was either 1.) doing homework or 2.) playing League of Legends while people stared at his stream when the cyno went up.It's a tough day when you are outclassed by dbrb spergin~
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THE GUNS ON MY DREAD GO BLAP BLAP BLAP, BLAP BLAP BLAP BLAP BLAP BLAP THE GUNS ON MY DREAD GO BLAP BLAP BLAP ALL THROUGH THE FIGHT
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I miss DBRB for these reactions alone.
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Curious if EN24 brings it.
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0:34 DBRB furiously typing broadcasts
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Thats just boat being boat. He may not have the tactical mastery of a Mister Vee or a Shadoo but one thing he does have more than any FC is endless enthusiasm. The dude just CANNOT be stopped. He'll welp a fleet and come right back the next day. He has an insatiable hunger for shooting pos and grinding sov. A lot of bitter vets in goonfleet cant stand him but I know that when I join his fleet I'm probably gonna laugh my ass off. You either love him or you hate him. Love you Boat =)
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Anyone else notice that boat forgot to put links on...
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They almost certainly are. Really, there's no rationalization needed. They made a ballsy move, and it didn't quite work out, but it very easily could have. It was pretty pimpin' rad, either way.
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When the dreads first jump in and he goes: "oh shit!!" You can hear his fingers furiously typing- he sent out a boadcast immediately saying: DREADS ON MY UNDOCK ALL TITANS AND SUPERS LOGIN, I was casually eating lunch at work and watching the live stream I almost choked on my sandwich when the cyno went up. Dont get to see that live too often.
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I.m actually not in Black legion, but like anyone that has been playing for years.... I have stuff all over the place, I'm not sure why anyone would think someone would put all their eggs in one basket, if thats what you do then fine, your and idiot then, but why would you expect everyone else to be so stupid is my question?
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Why would you think all there stuff would be in one station? That doesn't even make sences. Anyone thats been playing for a few years likley has multiable shipyears speard all over the place without even trying, it just happens. I think assuming people put all of their stuff in one station, or even one region is very short sighted on your part, and you look as foolish as the other dude implying the samething.
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You mixing logic with convenience. Besides same exact scenario has played out multiple times in the past, the 319 station in Delve comes to mind.
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I'm sure they'll have a riveting article about CSM voting.
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Giving Credit where credit is due, To neither side. I was very unimpressed.1. DBRB can't turn hardners on that could have saved carriers.2. Screaming like a little girl and being very unorganized in that fight.3. Jumping in a dreadball at zero and watching dreads bounce all over the place in siege means you are bad and not going to hit stuff.4. Goon Titan DD'ing blue Caps... seriously?5. Bad cynos from BL..Rage and Hate me. But it was a slosh op on both sides... I didn't witness anything impressive except the loss of isk here.If anything I think if I will give credit when credit is due, Good job jabber and cfc response time. Other than that....
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Damnit* Hardners = Links
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Your mixing up an alliance that has something to lose with one that doesn't, it not even close to the same scenario. Here is the way I see it, if you camped an alliance into a NPC station, and burned thier sov. down, and all the stations that are in those sov. systems that "could" have assest, then you have hurt that alliance alot. But the reality of the game is you can't do much to an alliance that doesn't hold sov., or alot of valuable moons I suppose, but again the reality is CFC already own all the valuable moons within four or five region. So yeah.... your likely camping in empty clones, as there is no reason to be in a station that is being camped.
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I will tell you. Black legion has nothing outside this station as an alliance. Maybe normal memebers do, but the alliance does not and that means no alliance level ops. Learn about the guys that get camped before you say things.
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Why buy a dread in this game if you are not going use it and possibly lose it. That is part of the rush of the game and every one of those carriers there also knew that they might also be flying a losing their ride home. Thanks for bringing a fight.
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The stream for those asking is www.twitch.tv/dbrb - I have been running the stream live for about 28 hours now and will continue through the weekend. Black legion is trapped, they are down to 9 members in local with 80 in local total. Day 4 of the camp and elo has already snapped. He hasn't logged in, at all, in about 12 hours.
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I dont think anyone was trying to impress you... it was a fun capital brawl Mr. Internet Spaceships is Serious Business, go polish your kb about it.
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Great fight and Boat, I love you man, but you do realise we're all away playing Eve while you watch an undock right?
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First 30 seconds is golden
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If you wanted to know what happens when 20 guys all have insurance running out on their dreads at the same time, I think you just found out.
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But why would you even need alliance level ops when there's nothing to defend? Is black legion stuck in the same mentality of everyone else where they can't go do stuff without without a posted timer or their main FC?I mean we're talking about a 1000 man alliance I don't see why they'd even need 'alliance level ops'.
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Nobody turns all their isk into assets and puts it in one station unless they're a complete idiot. Although maybe they are I'm not in BL so I don't know.
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Dude, these guys are gallente FW. The galls are at T5, they get to earn 100k LP/h with a noob alt (now in a dual warp stabbed comet with guns). They cashed out multiple times when FW was a broken faucet. ISKs are not an issue.
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Seems odd how in this situation that when someone attacked the CFC with a good fleet they were able to instantaneously field titans. If anyone so much as touches CFC with capitals titans come in? Cynos are fucking stupid and a nerf to them could be accomplished without affecting logistics. The game would be far more interesting if a entity couldn't instantaneously bring the bulk of their forces down on someone else. Of course the dreads knew this would happen when they jumped in but wouldn't more interesting if when capital fights happen if it wasn't always Entire enemy fleet vs entire enemy fleet when your talking about the largest entity in the game?
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That was DnD and Wolfsbrigade. ... Impostor, maybe?
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Goons is camping Elo, of course he is docked up when you have carriers camping your station. Elo is one of the best FCs in the game. It's easy to call him a coward when you got a fleet there pinning him in for the purpose of keeping him there so he can't properly fleet up and help in the fights.
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that's a whole lot of words for an excuse.
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You're trolling right, because a guy cynos in 20 dreads, and another guy cynos in 20 supers/titans, one of those escalations is unfair right?
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CFC claims they want good fights but it seems like they just want easy wins by camping people and using numbers, funny how the moment someone gives you a fight 4+ titans drop.
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LO is WBR's alliance.
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"CFC claims they want good fightsCFC claims they want good fights"You appear to be mistaking my CFC for some other alliance.
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FUCK STATION CAMPS!!!! I'M logging in now
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So why not clone out, form up in jita or somethin and come reclaim his system? Black Legion tells us all the time how they are independently wealthy, dont need tech, dont need srp, etc. shit, clone out and form up anywhere, DO SOMETHING
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Good fights are definitely not on our agenda.
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You have trapped black legion, and then you say right after that there are 9 of them in local lol..... gonna take a wild guess and say they are infact not trapped, and have jump cloned out. But yeah you should totally keep camping that empty station on friday, and saturday night, make sure to get as many in fleet as you can because they are likely all on the loggin screen waiting for there chance to break out.
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form up in Jita with my neg sec-status... lol this fool.
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We(TEST) have a huge EU fleet. Come join us.
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Hey dipshit, ITS VENAL, right dead smack in the middle of the ENTIRE CFC owned regions.What the hell did you expect them to do, cyno and bridge in noobships to fight dreads?Nevermind, don't answer that, just GTFO!
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Who is the dirty rotten somebitch that told you that?! Whomever it was, lied to you. CFC are dirty rotten no good filthy blobbers, get it right!
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So if anyone attacks the CFC then your going to have all of them fucking dogpile you? The only reason this fight happened was because this corp is rich and didn't want those dreads anyway. I expect a logical game where when you attack a fleet, the ships that are there are the ones that attack, not the entire navy of that entire nation to instantly appear and murder you. People shouldn't be able to instantly drop the most powerful ships in the game onto you with 0 warning, it is the stupidest fucking feature in the game. That goes for both sides, if your running a blockade you should have to commit ships to living their, not be able to instantly call for help or leave.
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Which is pretty damn fast. Being in a massive alliance is a world without consequences. They can leave a couple capitals camping a station and the only people who could harm them were people who knew they were going to die and knew they would loose more than they would kill.
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I thought dbrb handled it pretty well. What was the DnD guy expecting, sentry carriers to honor duel dreads? lmao
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TAKE FLEET WARP*pause*If you took warp your dead.
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BL. for FW coming soon
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Dude, seriously, just what game do you think you are playing, cause what you are describing, is NOT EVE.There are NO "FAIR FIGHTS" in Eve (much less, in 0.0).And yes, if you are stupid enough (or ballsy enough) to drop 20 dreads on 20 carriers camping a station, you have NO reasonable expectation of "FAIRNESS", in that they wont counterdrop 20 Supers and Titans, to murder your 20 dreads!You walk into the CFC's house with a loaded gun, the ONLY expectation you should have, is DIEING and hoping you can take a few of them down with you, cause THAT is about the only "fairness" you're gonna get, in Eve.Oh, and btw, you've actually got some fucked up sense of "fairness". 20 dreads dropped on those carriers WITH ZERO WARNING, and yet you seem to think those carriers, should just sit there and die, and not be able to drop more carriers/dreads/supers/titans to kill you WITH ZERO WARNING, as you did to them. Pretty selfish of you to expect that, isn't it?!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... . A video of the oder side of this fight
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Really? I thought he was saying that there should actually be consequences for everyone that gets caught with forces separated. Not just the people who don't have a super fleet logged off waiting to save them from the consequences.

“I need carriers, supercarriers. I need the fuckin’ world in here. Let’s go!” — DBRB on comms, ~2:32.

For the past three days, CFC fleet commander DaBigRedBoat (AKA “DBRB”) has been blockading Black Legion. into their station at Venal’s K3JR-J, successfully preventing them from participating in the “Venal Campaign” being waged in the north. On the evening of January 17th, DBRB was back camping the station accompanied by a fleet of appoximately 30 allied carriers.

In an interview, DBRB alluded to some chatter on comms from Black Legion. pilots complaining “we would have got out last night but help never showed up”, so he was expecting something. He wasn’t expecting this: an Abaddon battleship undocked from the station, lit a cyno, and suddenly 30-some dreadnoughts jumped in from Faction Warfare alliances Drunk ‘n’ Disorderly (-FU-) and Lost Obsession (FATE).

“No, I was not [expecting this] at all. That’s why I was so hyper. I was expecting BL to have some kind of help but almost 30 dreads, nope.” — DBRB

Random Low-Sec Dreads Everywhere

“Wow! I did not expect carriers to die. I’m sorry. I did not expect 20 fucking pirate dreads.” — DBRB on comms, ~6:52.

Was it “just random dreads from low-sec” as DBRB opines near the start of the encounter? Low-sec, yes. Random? No. Zeerover, Lost Obsession’s fleet commander for the fight, explains what happened:

Lost Obsession and Drunk & Disorderly had an OP scheduled for 1900 Evetime with some of our pilots logging in just for that; as we were forming for the OP, DnD got intel from BL. that Goons were camping them with caps into their station.

Considering that we figured that they’d never see us coming, we quickly burned some cynos to midpoints and sorted ourselves a cyno in K3. And hell, what better way to cash in the insurance on some dreads than to obliterate some Goonswarm carriers.

Quickly said, quicker done.

Midpoint cyno gets lit, all dreads jump to the mid, quick redock for cap (while one extremely unlucky dread gets pounced off the station with a very small undock and unfortunately gets lost later in that system too) and we undock again get ready for the combat cyno - take a deep breath - and hear “CYNO UP CYNO UP”.

As soon as we load grid, siege buttons go green and targets get called with us managing to sink carriers as quickly as we can lock ’em.

This is where all Hell breaks loose and DBRD learns that not only should he hold his water, he shouldn’t go get any either. While he’s away getting a glass of water, an Abaddon appears from the station. From one battleship can apparently 30 dreadnoughts come:

“… as the drone DPS starts to hit him [the Abaddon], a cyno goes up and in comes the dreads. I of course go nuts, spam a few broadcasts and proceed to drop any and all super capitals and dreads and carriers and ibis’s we have on them.” – DBRB

Everyone Needs a “Friendly” Uncle

Where did the cyno-lighting Abaddon come from? It was owned by the aptly named Black Legion. pilot Friendly Uncle who had been stuck in the station. Not the kind of uncle DBRB probably wanted dropping in with those friends and relatives, no doubt, but he was apparently a friendly uncle to DnD. According to Sajuk Nigarra, DnD’s second in command and DND’s fleet commander for the fight, they had asked Black Legion. to light a cyno:

We knew, like all EVE knew, that Goons are camping BL in st[atio]n so we figured we have a good shot at bagging some carriers and then after 1 siege cycle jump out or dock for those who didn’t bump …

We had about 20–25 dreads and nothing else. We poked Black Legion, asked them to undock a ship with a cyno and get the carriers aggressed, which they did. We jumped, sieged and started melting carriers …

As we jumped in, CFC started pinging for titans and tbh they were a bit faster to get them on field than I expected. After about 2–3 min they were already pouring titans on field, so a fair few of our dreads got DDd.

Counting the Losses

Ship Type CFC Fleet DnD/LO BL.
Battleship 1 0 1
Capsule 3 9 1
Carrier 11 0 0
Dreadnoughts 0 17 0
Frigate 1 0 0
Heavy Assault 0 0 8
N00b 1 0 0
Totals[1] 17 26 10
Summary of losses for involved alliances

It was a short but deadly engagement. Within 6 minutes—essentially the legnth of a siege cycle—the CFC lost 11 carriers to the 17 dreadnoughts of the Lost Obsession and DnD fleet. The Black Legion. losses arose at the end as BL attempted to exit their station with a small fleet of Zealots and was pushed right back in according to DBRB: “Black Legion tried to undock with 30 guys but we forced them back into the station pretty quickly, killing 8 zealots and the camp is still going.”

On the topic of the losses, Sajuk Nigarra, DnD FC, is sanguine, evincing an excellent attitude. For his players, it’s all about the shiny ships and content:

Obviously 12 carriers killed and about 14 dread losses isn’t in our favour ISK-wise but in the end it’s about creating content and since no one else seems to want to do anything but blue up … we figured it’s up to us to stir some shit … most of us are pretty rich. I’d guess out of 14 dreads lost, 10 have already been replaced. People come to DnD and FATE because they get to fly shiny, so they are generally the kind of ppl who can afford the ocasional loss.

DBRB, CFC FC: “We managed to snag 18 total dreads, 17 in Venal on the fight and 1 going home … We lost 9 carriers to dread fire and 1 carrier to a friendly DD … I have no idea outside of maybe my stream how they knew what I was doing v0v” [2]

Zeerover, Lost Obsession FC: “After having sunk 10 carriers (9 died from us, 1 was TK’ed) and lost about 15 dreads, our single siege cycle ends and the dreads who are still alive either jump out or dock.”

Good Fight

To say the CFC fleet was jubilant and DBRB hyper is not unexpected but they gave credit where credit is due:

“Let’s go ahead and give them some high fives because that was fuckin’ pro right there … ” — DBRB on comms, ~1h36 (Twitch version).

Even the DnD and Lost Obsession commanders were pleased, despite the losses, although not always completely complimentary about the manner of DBRB’s win:

“As you can see … the Goon station camp did not expect us in and their FC’s response was accordingly shoddy—essentially only screaming for more people, more titans and more supercarriers … Good fun all around, funny to see the Goon response to something they are not prepared.” — Zeerover

“I mean most of us can replace dreads, and you don’t get to drop on CFC everyday.” - Sajuk Nigarra

See It For Yourself

DBRB had been experimenting with streaming the camp activities via his Twitch TV account so the whole battle was streamed live, complete with voice communications. You can watch it as a YouTube video or more clearly in the original Twitch TV stream starting around 1 hour 21 minutes in.

Most of the kills are summarized in this related kill report, which covers a longer than just the dreadnoughts dropping in. A more accurate overview can be obtained by looking at the K3JR-J losses between 19:03 and 19:35[1].

Props

While watching the video and listening to the comms, you can’t help but admire some of the things that happened. One carrier pilot reshipped by going to the station and picking up a n00b ship. Another one reappeared in a Rifter he presumably had been carrying and ejected before his carrier blew. A classic fight moment happens near the end, about 08:48 in the YouTube video, where a CFC titan pilot accidentally manages to doomsday a CFC carrier (there is a great story about how that happened, but it will have to wait for another day or perhaps the comments).

The best props, however, have to go to DnD and Lost Obsession for an audacious scheme. DBRB says it best:

You know, that group [DnD/Lost Obsession] has more balls than almost any 0.0 alliance in the game right now." — DBRB on comms, ~1h36 Twitch version.


Footnotes

  1. Losses tabulated from overall activity in K3JR-J between 19:03–19:35 for January 17, 2013, reported at http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=1275&view=kills. Excludes an unrelated Honey Badger Coalition capsule kill at 19:32.  ↩

  2. DBRB, by the way, if you’re reading this, they found out about the camp from your Twitch TV stream. There is such a thing as TMI but it is not such a bad thing when it obviously brings such joy to everyone involved—except perhaps to Black Legion.  ↩

  3. Moros image credit Tessen. Thanks to Mynnna and Islador for interviews and assistance.
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