Breaking: NCdot Withdraws from Tribute

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Two fronts, always a good idea.
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sssssh!
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Hey, it worked for Germany! (I know, I know)
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ROFL! TWO fronts? Give it up now.
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Yes they have and they have the killboards to prove it. So does SOLAR. The next time you should actually know what you're talking about before speaking.
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Solar is a nice strong bloc in a secure region of space with no immediate strong enemies. They have nothing to gain from starting a big war with either the HBC or CFC. I can't see them wanting to get involved.
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Um, considering that NCdot attacked the CFC first, why would you make the decision to lose Tribute before you started a war? This makes no sense.
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What a terrible poster you are. Terrible.
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Nobody in Ncdot was ever really expecting Solar to fight along side NCdot. They are still unhappy about the whole Geminate thing. Even though they started it in Geminate, it did end with us holding some of their Geminate Tech moons.Now Solar fighting both Goons and NCdot is a possibility, but not one we really expect to happen. Expected path: NCdot fights goons, keeps getting pushed back into Vale and then wherever we go next. Solar retakes Tech moons in Geminate that they previously owned before picking a fight with NCdot.Then goons eye Gem tech, and either proceed to take them anyway, or Solar ends up as another Goons NIP region to roam in for kills while Solar keeps their few Gem tech moons. But that leaves Solar in a subordinate position to Goons, which they want to be in slightly more than being forced to work 10 hour days say....cleaning toilets. That was the source of the original idea that Solar might also fight goons (seperately from the NCdot+co group) while still trying to take their Geminate moons back. All in all Solar stands to lose either never regain their moons, or lose their own independence, or both, if NCdot gets driven from the North. In the end, it wont end well for them regardless of the outcome in the Goons Vs Dotbros war, as nobody in their right mind thinks they can hold against a concentrated goon sov war.
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While we have been fighting Solar in Geminate, most of our attention has been on the Goon front, so there has very little actually killing involved.Solar comes in, reinforces our Tech moons in Geminate during RUS primetime, then we come back and rep them up since we time our towers for late US/Early EU, where they are weakest.So lots of POS repping, lots of POS bashing, and occasionally killing a Solar Nyx in lowsec solo reinforcing POCO's.
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Same shit as EN24 only with a CFC perspective. Same shit new wrapping.
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So your saying that Solar's position on the CFC and HBC in regards to there current allies has more to do with them having nothing to gain rather than the relationship with Goonswarm
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With the tech ~nerf~, the grate of having to live next to goons and not shoot them en masse became worse than our desire for the now reduced income tech provided.So despite knowing in advance that when the goon warmachine got rolling full steam it would eventually win, we started a fight. That's what we enjoy doing after all. Also this is goons we are talking about, if we didn't start it then goons would have found a reason soon enough to announce a blitz on tribute in order to get the tech moons. A blitz we would have been largely unable to slow.In a weird way, by attacking we placed ourselves in the underdog position, so that while goons did come to take over, it was not the totalhelldeath massive superblob that the South saw. Goons couldn't call in Test+PL just cause a 1500 man alliance sort of attacked a tech moon after all. It was something we are capable of fighting, although not of holding off forever.But whats the fun of going into a war knowing you might win :P ?The whole thing makes no sense if your goal is to continue golding sov. But we chose to lose sov in the way that got us the most fights possible. Not like 90% of us know what to do with it anyway. My 150 man corp, one very nice -.8 upgraded ratting system. Military level? 1. Yeah.
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I don't think Solar entering into an tech agreement with Goonswarm is necessary as Solar would only hold a few in relation to what the cfc would have with vale and tribute in addition to what they took from white noise and raiden. But at that point I still can't see them doing more than skirmishing Solar for fights because of there former relationship with Goonswarm.
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Well if you look at this through the EN24 prism this indicates an impending victory in Tribute. You know because you always evacuate the region when you are winning.
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Solar dislikes the CFC. They wont ally with NCdot because of recent events in Geminate, but many of Solar's allies, like Gypsy Band, The Unthinkables, WhySoSerious, and several others routinely fly with Ncdot fleets or in allied bomber fleets.Solar may be a strongish bloc, but remember, Solar+friends Vs Ncdot+Evoke ended with Ncdot the victor.And now Ncdot+ most of Solar's friends are slowly losing to goons. If Goons take Tribute despite all that Dotbro's can do, then it's a safe bet that Solar would be not much of a hassle for an already mobilized goon army.So Solar's trying to stay out of the spotlight by letting their friends/pets help Ncdot against goons, while trying to retake lost Tech moons in Geminate and hoping that when the CFC takes over Tribute, they wont just continue on and stomp Solar as well. Renter empires fall apart quickly when under direct siege after all.
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CFC+HBC are the new bigboys in eve...if they want something they can take it and will continue to do so until1: they fall apart from the inside (see fall of NC)2: they manage to piss off enough of eve that literally EVERYONE comes at them from all directions (also see fall of NC)from my observations goon deployed south and with HBC taken soo much space that it will be a very long grind / time before soco (providing the get past HBC) will have taken enough space to be a threat to goons southern flank which pretty much leaves goons to focus themselves in an easterly direction with free reign to do as they pleaseIf you really really wanted to take out goons then everyone including soco, solar ncdot and the likes needs to do what DRF ncdot and rdn did and stop faffing about move their assets out of their conq stations and all pile north then can come back and retake their shit lateri think the chances of this happening anytime soon are 0 so mittens will reign on for sometime yetcoming from brick squad where we always knew that our enemies if sufficiently motivated (DRF in the past, NCdot more recently) could come and take our space at whim we always accepted the fact that the best fun to be had in eve is losing your spacei hope ncdot enjoy losing theirs as much as brick has enjoyed losing geminte in the past....some of the best fights ive had have been when we were on the back foot
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NC. USES WITHDRAW!IT'S DEFENSE ROSE!
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"Gudfites" are usually only a measurement used by the losing team. If it's a "sov war" then sov is the only valid measurement, if it's a "war for tech", then the obvious measurement would be number of moons captured.This is a video game though so hopefully good fights are a consequence of every war, but it's not a valid measurement to the success of a campaign (I guess unless you have nothing to actually lose and the act of fighting was the entire point of the war).
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IIRC Solar is run by Mactep and other old RA russians. They have a very strong relationship with Goonswarm going back 6+ years. I don't think Solar or GSF would attempt to destroy eachother.
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Bad at irony too, apparently.
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That's not what irony is. If you mean sarcasm then yeah, I'm almost as bad at picking up sarcasm as I am at video games.My comment stands though, there are those that will legitimately full back on the "gudfite" meter when they are losing wars.
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dots should be expelled from North! but please keep ejoke, roln and bab5 arround. I dont want to travel 30 jumps around just to see red.
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Bit too late for that now - Enjoy having blues for 8 regions in every direction. Thats the problem when you blob everyone out of their space - nobody left to fight you. CFC failcascade incoming, just a matter of when it happens now not if. Boredom kills EVE participation is second only to fly what you can afford to lose.
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That may be, but with NCdot out of Tribute, that leaves CFC bordering friendly or quasi-friendly alliances on all sides. All along the West, North, North-East, and South-West sides of the map are alliances they wouldn't be waging sov war on. And no alliance the size of goons can stay still and complacent for long before starting to bleed good pilots.So in order to keep their pilots shooting something, they either reset and invade TEST/pets, toss out old debts and invade solar, or try and bypass Solar and jump on -A- holdings from he north.I'd personally say either attacking Solar or attempting to NAP them up and hit -A- are the most likely chances, but I could be talking out my ass here, just speculation. But goons wont stay still for long, there's no use having the biggest cap, supercap, and subcap blob in the game if your not using it on someone. Got to keep the PvP'rs at least partially occupied or they all bugger off to TEST to shoot -A-.
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So you have fun losing.And starting a fight knowing you will lose it, because if the other party starts it, you will lose it.And as an added bonus, once lost, you plan on doing what next?Conquer another region you have no use for, so you can lose it again?Ok, good for you. Whatever floats your boat. osevenmeight....Then people wonders why Triumvirate rises only for the pleasure to fall again...
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Goons need more blues to win!- Pets in CFC - Check- HBC - Check- Solar can now be set blue as they are fighting the mighty foe NC.
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or you can just reset one CFC / HBC member alliance at a time, kill them and move on to the next.
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Which I believe is a perfectly valid tactic.
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LOL, winning a virtual space war game by simply showing up (en masse) seems rather weak. The war isn't over, CFC has gotten, get this, ONE system so far. How many ships have they lost on this awful section of space? Really, 2 Titans, caps and uncountable amount of Battleships, support and Drakes that one has to wonder what victory means. So NCDOT relocates, makes sense to me. I just don't see this as anything more than getting out of easy hot drop range.
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The latest update on Dotlan says Goonswarm holds 8 systems in Tribute. Either Dotlan is lying or Smack is lying. I leave it up to the reader to decide. Please go on convincing yourself that withdrawing and retreating is the key to NC dot victory. Winston Churchill said after the rather painful evacuation of the BEF from France in 1940: " Wars are not won by evacuating.".
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Yes, and we see how that ended up 6 years later didn't we. Again, if EVE is nothing more to Goons than a carebear show up and win game, then I suppose it's a win. If it's a tactical/strategic war game then NCDOT is doing what it must. Bend don't break. Bleed the enemy and get good fights when you can. The killboard speaks volumes.
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lol nice quote
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HBC is cleary highly involved in the northern war.
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This was actually a brilliant move on the part of NC. The further they can draw the CFC forces out from thier core the better it will be for them. Unfortunatley if they take on two fronts and SOLAR really wants to crush them, there will be no stopping a SOLAR/CFC SANDWICH. Like a Hammer against a rock. CFC is dropping the hammer so we will just have to wait and see if SOLAR is willing to be that rock...
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Right, retards who doens't know shit and whoever this goon spy is, LOL, noob.Dotbor's are moving out of bridge range (one of the reasons for this move) And while CFC do not offer any pew this new stage will provide dotbro's to go play with SOLAR when they feel like they can do fuck all around Geminate Tech moons.also adding ZLZ is not final Dest for Dotbro's and whoever made this report either need to fucking sort his spais out or his own life out.xoxo NCdot scrub
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Because it's not like NCdot and Evoke was wining Vs SOLAR/BAND before? Along with SOLAR going SOLO this time as gypsy is blue with both sides and still want to bomb CFC. Adding Black Legion.and nulli on the list, SOLAR won't stand much chance in any TZ vs this entity.Surely combined SOLAR/CFC would be a much alrger blob but I'm interested in seeing how that would wrok out with blues being blue and hostile in reversed order to the ones you'd be helping?Anyhow, PErsonally, I'm hoping for more "GF's" and dgaf about our space, NCdot started out as nomads and may aswell keep going with the initial idea.
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Ensure to call him mate.
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No reason to get defencive friend, I never implyed it wasn't
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So why is EVE-Kill full of SOLAR kills on my toon? Yes Bob I'm in NCdot.
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Actually, HBC and CFC aren't =entirely= blue to each other. You might, for example, want to take a look at PL's standings list - they certainly aren't blue with everyone in the CFC anymore (and vice versa - there are alliances in the CFC that are neut or orange with more of the HBC than they're blue with).
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That would only work if the pilots where not immortal. I think that is the main reason why making comparisons to RL history doesn't work in EVE
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Just so I know, in null sec, what's the difference between nuet and orange as far as valid targets go?
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@kyeld : I live in null sec.... that was a sarcastic question but thnx.
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The so aptly named NCdot Scrub has not seen Solar flex their full diplomatic might. Solar hasn't bothered calling on anyone to join in. They haven't rolled out their Super fleets yet. They've fed caps because they are doing things halfassedly to keep from stagnating. NCdot will be forced to go all in well before solar. You would do well to remember that when thinking that a few small victories matter.
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When - and I say when not if - CFC attack SOLAR in a few months time, NCdot should just sit and watch while CFC grab all their space. It's inevitable and I'm surprised SOLAR doesn't see that. Helping killing off CFC now would've made a whole lot more sense defensively speaking for SOLAR then trying to re-take Geminate. NCdot is a much less dangerous neighbour than the giant CFC.it's become personal for SOLAR when it should've been a business arrangement, based upon rationality. I can't blame SOLAR though. It's difficult to ally up with someone you been fighting for months.I'm pretty sure CCP is working overtime to figure out how they can avoid CFC taking over null-sec completely. It's not good for the health of their MMO when one bloc becomes too powerful. It's kinda easy to fix though. First you nerf Drakes then you buff bombers, or even give us a cruiser sized bomber with a larger bomb but less effectiveness on ships with a low sig-radius. This would make BS blobs vulnerable and the overpowered buffer of the Drake more in line with other BC.
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i know HBC are not in the north, but they are still (mostly) blue to CFC, or at least to Goons. It's nice to have a border patrol to the south consisting of Test and PL while fighting in Trtibute... NCdot could have used the same in the east.I am also aware that the masters of both CFC and HBC don't have every scrub alliance blue, but from the outside HBC / CFC are still considered one power block, even if they are not in each others fleets or fighting in the same regions.
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There are 2 kinds of neutrals / oranges:- True neutrals oranges are valid targets nomatter what- Pseudo resets, where you can roam each others space for small gang pvp training, but you don't reinforce each others POSs or kill ratting supers. In this last category you will find the part of the CFC / HBC relationship where resets have happened and probably also the -A- / Solar relationship.
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sarcasm is a kind of irony.hope this helps!
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Solar Fleet has been toying with you, bub. Go, piss them off. :popcorn:
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There is an enormous difference between roaming and strategic-op SOV warfare. NC. will be balls deep in far more serious operations against Solar Fleet before Solar considers fully deploying assets.
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You are clueless. NCdot and SOLAR has been fighting over tech-moons in Vale and Geminate for several months already. Why is it I'm even discussing this anymore. I'm in NCdot. I've been in all those fleets myself. I know by firsthand experience. This discussion is just dumb.
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Edit: I finally found a Solar Fleet Supercapital deployment.http://killboard.solar-fleet.r...That is, if you want to call eight motherships a supercapital deployment...

Shortly after the conquest of UMI in Tribute by the CFC, NCdot today called an alliance meeting and subsequently moved their primary staging system from H-W in Tribute to ZLZ in Vale of the Silent. Scouts have witnessed an extensive carrier move, as well as a supercapital convoy out of H-W.

On Kugutsumen,  Jean Leaner posted the following:

 

Traveling from venal was getting cumbersome, so we're strategically deploying out of bridge range of tribute! Or something. Someone will leak our 'short announcement meeting' that lasted a fucking hour eventually I assume. I recommend not listening to it, its boring as fuck.

CFC FC's have noted that this is a sensible defensive position for NCdot, as ZLZ is out of direct bridge range of the new CFC staging system of UMI.


Sean Alenko of NCdot posted the following on Kugu, as well:

 

The main reasons given for the move. 1. Outside UMI bridge-range. 2. New location allows for easier placement of allies close-by. 3. Can properly open second front with Solar.

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