Asakai Aftermath: All Over a Cobalt Moon

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... another vid from the Fate side.
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The diffrence between this and a VFK headshot is this is a random low-sec system, VFK is 1 jump away from every capital in the CFC and much farther away than hostile alliances. A VFK head shot would have a much diffrent result.
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' Well fuck, Logging in to shoot supers'
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I was basically following the warp scram messages for targeting (to at least check how the targets were doing) and saw plenty of FATE scrams. So kudos!
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Thanks for the video link, its brilliant. By the time I showed up all the titans were warped off and TIDI + lag made everything unplayable, great to see this perspective
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Just classic lol. Though I have to give him credit for sinking with the ship and staying to die like he sent hundreds others to. Even though he probably didn't "lose" anything as it has been replaced.
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Did I see you in Okkamon? :D
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This is a solid piece of journalism. Very well done.
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Great article, enjoyed it.
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Sir, the have reinforcements! What should we do?...Sir?I'm thinking......Fuck it, The Kitchen Sink, The whole nine yards, just bring everything.
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This would be a good plot for the next Eve trailerARE YOU LISTENING CCP??? Do the POS rework and THIS is your trailer
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It was pretty fun. Who knew the legendary PL bat phone was actually an open party line?
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would still like to see it I predict that the next epic capital fight will be when another large entity just say F@%K it it's time and drops it all into VFK that will be when shit really gets real.on a side note i heard VFK got troll SBU'd is this true or just a troll ?
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I know i did was awesome
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Shadoo (well, PL) knows very well what happened during the last attempt to headshot the CFC in VFK.
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[Misrepresenting a quote]Bullshit.
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The jabber ping was for pretty much anything with a jump drive. I half expected to see a Rorqual on field with drones out. (They have that drone DPS bonus, you know.)
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Oh sorry about that man, my b
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np just want to make sure our half of the fleet isn't completely left out of the limelight =)
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durrhurrdurr was giggling about a troll sbu that he dropped.
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Uedama crashed as well.
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I bet he was shitting his pants in command channels. Having been in them before during a huge fight when he's exicted, they own. I wasn't logged in for this.
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there was a metric shitload of dreads and carriers (mainly archons)
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Holy fuck. Please learn how to write in proper English before writing an article like this. I had to read every paragraph at least three times because all the mistakes kept throwing me off.
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Bring me everyone.What do you mean everyone?EVERYOOOOOOOONEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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For those that lost their ships I am sorry for your loss, but as for me the next time all of EVE wants to take on the CFC I hope I can be there again!! I joined Goons with the allusion of good fights and epic battles. White noise, -A-, NC dot, and Brack Region were not up to the task and a big disappointment but the fight in Asakai was a bone crushing knock down drag out slobber knocker of a brawl! Thanks to all those who came out to fight, your participation was greatly appreciated.
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I'm still logged off there. I'm sure it'll cool down in a few days.
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Only Reason most of 0.0 came is because most of 0.0 hates the CFC and how they have killed off pretty much any interesitng 0.0 alliance with thier superior numbers and sit on there tech. Had this been a PL/Raiden/NCdot/ whoever supers fleet tackled I highly doubt everyone in 0.0 would come riding to the party, alot would still come but nowhere near as much as this because most people in 0.0 just think the CFC are the anti christ of eve now
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Fixed
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I had heard there was one.
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If anyone has confirmation of this, I would love for them to post it.
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Only reason is that... only reason in this... Bitter are you so retarded? Go blow a mule and stop posting thx.
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Go at cambridge and die there thx.
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Worked out well for PL
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Command was focused on calling HICs that were tackling Titans/supers. We had a constant flow of intel and knew exactly what was coming, but at that point it was far too late and the boatman made the bad call to commit everything. Extracting in 10% tidi is probably one of the worst and most annoying things I have ever experienced in a Titan (and super). We definitely hit a hard limit on the server at the WORST time, which was right when we started extracting Titans.
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To quote the CFC response any time numbers are brought up in regards to them: It's not our fault they don't have more friends.
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Yeah, I think everyone in military command just learned a hard lesson: If the node isn't reinforced, do not commit strategic assets. If we can barely trust ccp to roll out patches (set a long skill broadcasts brought to you by kismeteer), why are we going to trust them with a strategic sluggerama.The biggest problem is that if I have a 10-20 superfleet with two subcap fleets in system, I can easily induce tidi by having guys launch and recall fighterbombers a few times. Right now fighterbombers are what murder the nodes the most, and when you have that many out, forget trying to get anything done.
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That's some nice tinfoil you got there, friend. Don't let reality stand in the way of it!
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Here's one from during the fray: http://raynor.cl/eve/formReciv... Not sure if that was "the peak" or not as I had starmap up, overview minimized, and local minimized to try to ease the strain from an already laggy fight.
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Hopefully they'll improve it over time. Being CCP they'll probably take years, but one thing they have done is improved big fleet fights.A couple of years ago a fight that big anywhere would've resulted in a slideshow followed by a black screen. On a node that wasn't reinforced in lowsec I'm actually surprised that things managed to work at all. Anyway, committing supers on an unimportant lowsec moon is a pretty silly thing to do and I guess CFC got caught out on it.
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You're one hundred percent correct. And that is one hundred percent unfortunate. In the future, an FC is going to see an opportunity to drop on someone and they are going to get denied by the Skyteam since the node is unreinforced. That decision would be completely correct on their part.What that means is, effectively, meeting engagements will not happen in Eve, again-at least on this scale. Subcapital fleets will continue to do their own thing, but those almost never make the news. Meeting engagements, for those that are not up with military terminology, is a battle which neither side prepared for; it just kind of happens. A good example would be the battle of Gettysburg in the American Civil War. That battle essentially broke the back of General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. They are interesting for a few reasons: no battlefield prep, often intelligence is incomplete or nonexistent, they force the commander to think on his feat. All of these can contribute to spectacular losses or victories. Without meeting engagements in Eve, every article from here on out is going to be X was coming out of reinforce. Side A formed up at whatever time. Side B at whatever time. They jumped in system and had a fight. That, I find boring.From a player's perspective, this fight was amazing (and I say that having lost my carrier). I got the jabber ping and jumped right in, started to heal broadcasts, neut primaries, cycle drones as they took damage and so on. The events were unfolding in front of me, rather than have been posted in the war room a few days in advance. I didn't know how many ships we had, unlike in Tribute where ops would be canceled if Intel reported that we didn't have enough. (Oddly enough, that really didn't happen.) There is a saying that the USMC used at Wake Island (which we lost) and Tarawa (which we won): "Issue in doubt." For a long while there, the issue was in doubt and that made for good, fun, exciting game play. That's why this fight is going to be remembered and not some timer in Tribute.
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As I am always on a quest for self improvement, if you have examples of where I could improve, email to sanguinaeve (at) gmail (dot) com.
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This is, of course, something Damar would say. Cry more.
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This happens whenever supers get tackled, everyone wants to shoot them just because ~supers~
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By all means please take your supers to lowsec.
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Funny story. Bad Poison died in Uemon too.
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wasnt it FATE's HICs that keept everything pointed? there was a pretty good Kugu BR that pointed out how instrumental FATE was
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Bweh, not -everyone- vs CFC. SOLAR wasn't there, bro.
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What's the sign for smugness?
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"There is also a financial turn this war to give. The currency used in Eve, ISK, can also be used to charge for the game to pay. This allows the value of ISK converted to dollars. In total, during the battle for about $ 17,000 (€ 12,500) to ships destroyed."This is a quote from a Dutch newspaper about the Battle in Asakai over the weekend. The full story can be found at http://www.telegraaf.nl/digita...While the Dutch Translator does not work, there are other ways to translate the story. We should capitalize on this news, since its going global.
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I was using a logi alt so probably not.
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It sounds like it was initiated by DnD, who were mentioned by PL and cfc both. perhaps they should be interviewed, or even have their own feature article? There's no denying they are the cool kids this month after that hotdrop on cfc camping BL and this supercap fight
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who was the hero noctis that was salvaging during the fight ?
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Which is why I said Titanwarm, the name for the collective CFC titan fleet, was useless.
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Reminds me of the end battle in the book Ready player one!
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I sent CCP a list of questions about serve stuff related to this fight. This was one of the questions. Hopefully, that interview will be posted tomorrow.
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Shit, I must've gotten famous if i've already got other people trying to discredit myself and FATE using my name.Haters gonna hate bro.
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This was a total blast. I logged in not far from Asakai completely unaware of of what was happening. As soon as I found out, I did what every other nub in the area did and endured epic tidi in order to whore on some kills. Several game crashes prevented me from whoring on any of the Titans, but I wound up having a couple of really fun, slow motion fights with some of the other killmail whoring nubs who were part of the seething mass. Not all that long into the fight, my client crashed and I couldn't log back in. Totally disappointed that I wouldn't get to whore properly, I went downstairs, cooked a strip steak, let it rest for 15 minutes, ate it, had desert, said goodnight to my wife and then logged back in, only to find the fight still fully engaged. You guys should do this every weekend.
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so you're the bloody reason devoters disappeared..
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test has been in a supercap fight?
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Great read, well done!
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lol its more like " PURE oiling to PL "
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"This fight could appropriately be called Everyone vs. CFC. "Typical fucking CFC spin machine bullshit. What this really translates into is:"This fight could appropriately be called Everyone ELSE vs. CFC."You poor victims
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and all yours were on the killboard dead to PL supers w0l o7o7
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Notice how you say PL supers and not TEST supers.
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They didnt crash :L some say it slowed down but players kept playing while it happened.
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LOL.

"Wake up - do not login - listen to mumble from here on out" — Jabber broadcast from Dabigredboat to CFC capitals

A few days ago, Dabigredboat — a Clusterfuck Coalition (CFC) coalition level fleet commander, known as DBRB — had deployed capitals in Akora to mess with Liandri Covenant, a Caldari Militia alliance. Pandemic Legion (PL) took notice, as this is close to where they kept their supers. When a similar situation presented itself — a Liandri Covenant cobalt moon was coming out of reinforce in Asakai-Drunk ‘n’ Disorderly (DnD), a Gallente Militia that was attacking said moon, reached out to PL. DnD asked PL if they would be on standby if the CFC dropped capitals or supercapitals, offering to have a large number of heavy interdictors (HIC), the only ships that can warp scramble a supercapital in lowsec, on standby. PL agreed. 

“Everything in war is simple, but the simplest thing is difficult.” —Carl von Clausewitz

Boat’s plan was simple: hot drop the militia forces in Asakai, kill what he could, and get out. When the opportunity presented, he attempted to use his titan character, Oleena Natiras, to bridge the subcapital fleet in. However, he made the mistake that dooms many titan pilots: He hit jump instead of bridge. Once on field, he was tackled by DnD HIC's, who reported the Leviathan to Elise Randolph of PL. Elise decided to go for broke and committed forty PL supers to the fight.

“ALL CAPITALS SUPERS TITANS EVERYTHING LOGIN JUMP TO MJI3 THEN JUMP TO FIGHT SIEGE GREEN 20K FUEL” —jabber ping from Dabigredboat to all-all

“Then it seemed rather grim.” —Elise Randolph

Once PL supers were committed, jabber pings went out all over the CFC for fleets. The operation had turned from saving Boat’s titan to destroying the PL fleet. Subcapital fleets were formed and capital pilots logged in. One of the effects of Time Dilation (TiDi) is that it affects not just the system the fight is taking place, but several systems out. Capitals ships were able to arrive much quicker than usual since they jumped in from outside of TiDi effects. When PL saw that the CFC was going ‘all in’ to Asakai, they reached out to other groups. They started out by contacting the N3 Coalition. When N3 agreed to assist, PL contacted TEST who started to make their way up north as well. 

However, neither group was initially close and Asakai is located in the CFC’s front yard, so to speak. It was a simple matter for CFC capitals to use cyno beacons to move to the battle and CFC subcapitals could use the highly developed jump bridge network. So, in the initial stages, the CFC had local superiority and was able to down one PL Nyx while three others warped out in low armor and even one at eighty seven percent structure. A CFC Hel died, apparently unable to turn his hardeners on due to TiDi. Well before this time, TiDi had hit the maximum, ten percent, and the lag was horrible; it took a carrier pilot nearly ten minutes to refit a smartbomb. Local was well over a thousand and climbing; it would peak at over two thousand and seven hundred.

“Nulli and now NCdot are streaming towards this fight. EVERYTHING, but particularly hictors, need to get here” —jabber ping from The Mittani to all-all

“So, shit was getting real, we pinged all PL to get out of their slumber.” —Elise Randolph

While the CFC was pinging their jabber channels, PL had basically contacted every single other group in New Eden with a promise: after the fight was over, everyone would depart in peace. As TEST and N3 and Honeybadger Coalition (HBC) alliances made their way into the system, a happy little coincidence occurred: Black Legion (BL) was, according to Elise, in the middle of a fifty man dreadnought move and was in range of the battle. This gave the anti-CFC forces a distinct advantage. According to Elise, “we had three fleets working together, we were able to take down 3 targets at once — a huge thing in lag.” While one fleet would attack Goon supers, another would work on carriers and dreadnoughts.

At this point the order was given for CFC titans to get to jump cap and get out. A few minutes later, in the capital fleet chat word of a friendly POS in system appeared. The alignment was changed and titans were ordered to warp if they could. At the same time HIC's were called primary by the capital and subcapital fleets alike. Supercarrier ECM bursts were used in attempts to allow the titans to get out. Boat put out a call for carriers that were able to triage to x up in fleet and rep the titans taking damage. Once the titans were ordered out, the CFC forces knew the battle was lost; it was simply a matter of how much of the supercapital fleet could be saved.

Once most of the titans had cleared the field (Oleena Natiras remained on field to the end, while others had crashed) shield tanked supercarriers were ordered off as well. Armor tanked supercarriers remained for quite a while longer but were eventually ordered out, clearing the field. The remaining capital fleet was then extracted as best they could.

“But he [Boat] was unfortunate in this case, probably the only circumstance that CFC couldn't pull a numbers trump card.” —Elise Randolph

This fight could appropriately be called Everyone vs. CFC. The HBC, N3 and BL all put up huge numbers in this fight and unified purely in opposition to the CFC forces. Over three thousand pilots were involved, mostly due to the fight being streamed. TiDi was also a contributing factor, with pilots able to cross dozens of jumps to join the fight and find the battle still raging. Another was the location. The fight took place in a lowsec system. Pilots from all over, who would not in a million years go into null, steamed as fast as they could to Asakai. Eve-Kill is having a heart attack over this fight at time of press, but it would appear that approximately 274 separate alliances took part in the conflict. Nearly ten percent of EVE players logged in were in Asakai, most of them fighting the CFC.

Absolute Soul Crushing Lag

This fight was not planned or anticipated in any way, escalating to its fever-pitch unpredictably and organically. As a result the node was in no way reinforced. As the CFC skyteam put it, lowsec has the worst hardware of the cluster; huge fleet fights should never be held there. Elise commented that the lag also affected his target calling as travel time for drones, such as fighter bombers, must be taken into account. 

The Butcher’s Bill

eve-kill.com Battle Report

dog-net.org Corrected Battle Report

As previously mentioned, Eve-Kill is going a little haywire with regards to the battle. Current supercapital losses amount to three CFC titans, five CFC supercarriers, and one PL supercarrier. The actual losses will almost certainly be higher as kills continue to post on the server. Undoubtedly there will be ships returned to pilots that died of a server error; in giant fleet fights like this, server errors always occur.

Capital losses are much steeper. The CFC lost forty five dreadnoughts and twenty two carriers. The killboard losses for the opposing force are three dreadnoughts and ten carriers lost.

The loss in terms of ISK, according to reports of EVE Kill at time of press, is over 834 billion ISK. Ship reimbursement directors in many alliances across EVE are going to be very busy tomorrow.

The CFC Skyteam’s Reaction

The CFC skyteam was kind enough to have a chat with me. They recognized that mistakes were made and that the situation spiraled straight out of control. They plan to implement stricter controls over the use of supercapitals to attempt to prevent something like this from happening again. Furthermore, they stated that titans should never be committed to lowsec. Every time that happens it turns out poorly. The whole situation is reminiscent of the Northern Coalition loss to the Drone Russian Federation in Uemon nearly two years ago. When all is said and done, they all emphasized their continued support of Boat, saying that he is a good fleet commander and will remain a coalition level FC.

As far as relations with the HBC: the CFC diplomatic position remains unchanged, according to a diplomatic director. Those wishing for a CFC/HBC sovereignty war to emerge from this event will be disappointed. 

Elise Randolph and the PL View

Elise Randolph was kind enough to be interviewed for this article. While he disliked the lag, he did say it was “some of the most playable massive capfights I've been in.” He further went on to praise DnD, saying they “were true heroes, brought every hictor they could, and just kept on coming.” He credits the tipping point of the fight to TEST, which arrived with over five hundred ships.

In the end, I think Elise sums up the whole fight from both sides quite well: “It was a very fun, very bloody, incredibly surprising fight over a Cobalt moon in lowsec.”

 

The Broader Political Implications: Shadoo Speaks

We asked Shadoo of Pandemic Legion, one of nullsec's foremost thinkers, what he thought the Asakai situation tells us about the broader situation in 0.0: 

Sala Cameron and MrBlue had been working on dropping a small CFC SC group lead by Dabigredboat for about 3 days nows, and by looks of it -- tonight was the night when all the stars aligned. With nothing at stake, no moons threathened or sov structures to grind -- both sides threw caution to the wind and went all in.

Thanks to DnD low sec combat experience against capitals, they were able to clear 80% of the Fighter Bombers with smartbomb battleships at the start of the engagement. This reduced enough damage to swing the DPS war to our side and reduce our losses. Still, the fight was very close with several PL/HBC supercapitals saved in low armor/structure and with all of nearby low sec, and even Jita cleared from Heavy Interdictors -- DnD hero tackle managed to provide a decisive victory over the tackle war and thus turn the tide of the battle.

I feel this fight epitomizes the position the Mister Vee (of GSF) and myself advocated few days ago, and thus we feel vindicated now that it was once again clearly demonstrated that you do NOT need to invade anyone, shoot any structures or engage in a soul-destroying 0.0 SOV war in order to kickoff epic fights in EVE. Some people in EVE needed a lesson that big fights almost always happen by accident‚ and the lіkеlyhood for them occurring iѕ exponentially bigger when there ISN'T a space empire at stake. Best fights are those where both sides go "f*** it, bring EVERYTHING" just because they can and have a good brawl.

Writer. Twitter: @AlizabethVea