Northern Coalition. Alliance Meeting - November

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I listened to this 40 mins of drab, clearly disheartened meeting yesterday. I praise them for propping up the overall strategies used, to be frank - both sides have had some stellar success and some astronomical failures. The difference is, the CFC capitalized where NC. has had to fall back.I am, however, still relatively surprised people are complaining about the size of the CFC. I am surprised because it is clearly working in EVE and it clearly works in real life. The more people you have to throw at a physical fight the more often you'll win. Also, I get a kick out of the guy saying that this means there is no 'talented' pvpers in the CFC which I am sure is not the case. They hide in the numbers like a pin hidden in a seat cushion - they will be the ones that make your ass bleed for weeks.NC. needs to join Nulli in the south. Nulli has earned my respect despite being enemies on more than one occasion. Their hatred of -A- only solidifies their efforts in my mind. The are starting a Bloc, and perhaps one day they will grow it large enough to take back Vale and Tribute and then hand it to NC. as a reward for friendship. If this sounds suspiciously familiar (CFC/HBC) its because it is the NEW face of Sov warfare. I think Nulli sees this and is attempting to make strides to counter the 'blob' as they call it.
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CFC is more talented at playing the game because they know how to use the mechanics to beat their enemies. They are not the best at PvP, but they are the best at winning what they want to win. They are a freaking steamroller, just like ancient Rome. Rome lost plenty of battles, but in the end the Roman steamroller rolled over most everybody as the empire relentlessly expanded.
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People who spend all their time complaining about blob warfare have yet to offer a reasonable explaination as explanation *why* combat should be scaled to make a smaller attacking or defending force able to counter a larger one. Complaining that the CFC or the HBC blob their enemies as ridiculous as Iran telling the world to stop ganging up on them. The reason people do it is because it works AND it makes sense. Why go into a battle without allies? Sure, your e-honor bushido bullshit might make you feel better when you lose, but in real life 5 guys won't win a fight against 200. It won't work.If you can't manage a coalition large enough to protect your interests, you shouldn't be able to hold SOV. You may want to, but look at the sheer time and effort that CFC and HBC leaders put into their coalitions, which provides free content for CCP, essentially. Why would they ever nerf the blob, when it's a driving force in getting new subscriptions and interest for them at literally no extra effort? Put on your big boy pants and make a run at a coalition of your own, or go back to lowsec where you can wulfpack and roam to your hearts content. The two don't overlap.
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you're comparing the CFC to the ancient roman empire is so spot on it's crazy. to be honest i would only expect this from someone in the cfc or hbc to say as the metaphor is so fitting. i wont say more because you really nailed it.
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The Delve War and Burn Jita proves your point. Those were driving stories that made the gaming media talk about Eve. Hell.. Even Giant Bomb talked about them on their podcast, and they call Eve a truly impenetrable game. (I've been playing for a year and a half, so they just lack commitment imo)CCP needs to find a balance between massive amounts of HPs on structures and timers. I'm not going to lie, NC. made it a rough slough through Tribute (Much Respect). It didn't get lopsided until the CFC used Supers with subcaps on standby to reinforce all the things, every night. There was a reason this didn't happen in Branch. We had to grind all that shit in Maelstroms and Drakes (brain bleach plz)Endie should really put a link to Shit on Kugu 22, where Vince and Vee really have a good discussion about the Tribute war.
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CFC and HBC tactics are more akin to Sovirt Russia than Rome. Rome frequently won battles with less men thanks to superior weapons and armour and training. The USSR wpn bloody meat grinder battles through sheer stamina.
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Tidi fights are not fun, less enemys to fight b/c everyone has to blue to fight other huge coalitions.
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If you listened all the way through, Vince acknowledged that Eve has moved away from the point where you could take 100 high SP players and ownzone 300 because quite frankly anyone who still thinks the CFC is full of players that can't fly more than Drakes is delusional as fuck (hi boo). Vince didn't complain, he said that NC. has to adapt.
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Either Soviet Russia or China in the Korean War. If you can throw enough men at them eventually they'll run out of bullets :).
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This was a very sober meeting about the realities of eve- impressive. I am curious though, NCdot mentions it is willing to expand and start/emphasize a training organization, and also that it has "tons of people"- corporations and the like- who wish to join them, and yet beyond some minor plan to get more people into Northern Associates, there isn't any other expansion. NCdot should seriously consider adding more people to NCdot itself; not just friends. I am sure there are quality corps out there. The idea that there should be a cap of 1500-2000 people in an alliance, or that there can only be 20 corporations, is detrimental to an alliance's goals and policies, especially one that admits a need for more fleet members.
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I find it funny how people that know little to nothing about ancient rome make comments like this, roman armys were almost always outnumbered, and won battle simply because their armys where better trained, had better equipment, and had better commanders, these are not the characteristics CFC is knowen for. If you feel really the need to compare your internet spaceship army to an ancient army then a better comparison would be to the sassanid empire.
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also it's not like that would work anyway, alliances are essentially a tool to make the marshaling and organization of large numbers of people and groups easier. Before alliances existed as a formal mechanic, people STILL brought as many as they could. They always have, and they always will.
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You really need a competent and patient leadership org and diplo team to make a coalition or large alliance work, and all the egos and personalities that go along with it, something the CFC excels at and reportedly is lacking with ncdot.
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When talking about Ancient Rome you really need to be specific on what era you are referring to. Do you mean the Roman Republic, Rome after the Marian Reforms, the early days of the empire, Rome after Diocletian reformed it, or Rome in the late 4th and 5th centuries. Each of those sees Rome's legions relying on blob tactics, superior weaponry, tenacity, barbarian mercenaries, or other factors to win battles or make due.Rome as we know it today endured for roughly 1000 years not counting the Byzantine Empire which inherited much of Rome's traditions after the fall of the Western Empire. You need to be specific or fact arguments like this will happen.Observer seems to be speaking of Rome during it's infancy, particularly its initial conquests of the Italian Peninsula. Budge meanwhile seems to be more referencing Rome's armies during the reigns or Trajan and Hardian. Hell, I can compare -a- to ROme during its last days in the 5th century which saw the empire as nothing more than a loose coalition of barbarian tribes with a weak central authority. You can compare Rome to any alliance in EVE really.
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I like how when asked about who they will be shooting, Vince kinda goes off on how BL is fc'n and their will be fights. Fight the HBC you pussy faggots, lets see how 1337 you are against PL.
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you sir just got owned.
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What Fred wrote isn't actually based on factual history, I'm a big fan of that time period and well some of what he said is true, implying that roman armys won battles by outnumbering the enemy when they "steamrolled" europe is only misinformation to anyone that doesn't know history, but ridiculous to anyone that knows the history.
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It's easy enough to say 'go run a coalition of your own', but at this point the CFC and HBC own the vast majority ot tech moons, the majority of supers, their ranks contain most of the active 0.0 players and they have pretty much all of the best space. Ignoring what happened over the past couple of years and starting now - try and put yourself in the shoes of someone who wants to build a credible opposition to the CFC/HBC. Can you imagine how impossible of a task that would feel like?Saying that, CFC/HBC deserve to be winning and their opposition have made some really terrible diplomatic decisions in the past couple of years. And the massed player coalitions are better for the actual game as well, at least compared to the win button supercap issues before the nerf.
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I was actually quite impressed with the level headedness in his analysis of their competition, particularly when presented with the spergy guy complaining about those horrible nasty blobbers.
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"The Game has changed". The CFC has a shitload of high SP characters now.
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Considering that the CFC consider themselves space communists anyway, it's much more fitting to compare them to the USSR. Good work.
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Well, I think EVE is not a simple PeeVeePee game. XD

Northern Coalition. (NC.) held an alliance meeting this Sunday November 4th, updating their membership on their plans for the alliance in the coming months. The highlights are as follows:

  • NC. will be removing themselves from Vale of the Silent. Members are encouraged to begin evacuating thier assets.
  • NC. will eventually be involved in the war in the South, assisting the Nulli Secunda campaign against SOCO remnants.
  • Summary of the situation with Evoke, and their departure from the war in the North.
  • Leadership encourages the members' efforts in the Tribute war. However, in stark contrast to every other alliance in the game, NC. did want that space.
  • Threats that under-performing corporations will be ejected from the alliance.
  • Discussion considering the use of a feeder alliance to breed loyalty and increase numbers in fleet.
  • In the immediate future NC. will be doing mostly solo work and will be focusing on their allies in subsequent weeks.
  • When asked wether Geminate will be defended or not, the response is rather ambiguous with no definite answer being given.
  • NC. will be using Navy Apocalypse fleets in part to make up for their lack of numbers.

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I have been playing EVE since late 2006, with a preference for nullsec warfare. I am currently a member of Nulli Secunda. In real life, I started a career as a pilot in 2007, and many of my articles discuss both flying, and EVE Online.