Why Does Everyone Hate -A-?

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Just going over old articles..and had a good laugh with this one.It is perfectly true as to why the Old -A- failedbut instead of going with Jame's suggestion we Kept the name and have rebuilt our empire
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I have never seen more bull shit in one article than this. Holy shit, do you live under a rock? Hahahahahahahahaha
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I thought it was well written and your comment only proves how dumb -A- members are. You believe the lies they feed you of how you fought for your allies when you really just sat in a station and thought you were winning some how. They turned their backs and now they must pay the piper. -A- is done they have no allies left to make a come back
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This article just says -A- is still a thorn in your side tbh.Also it could be read as: please -A- discband? so we can take credit for it.
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Everything said in the article is based off of fact, and the way the author interprets those facts. So please, enlighten me. No, enlighten the rest of Eve into which parts of this are completely full of shit.
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While they've already started, I look forward to all the delusional comments from -A- members. This is gonna be a fun ride.
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Since I suspect that this is going to be - like all James 315 pieces - ludicrously controversial, I'll just point out that James 315 lives in hisec and is not part of any alliance.
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While Makalu may have said some dumb things, I don't think it's fair to make fun of him for stuff he said during fleets. If you don't have experience running groups of people in video games, it is absolutely the most frustrating thing on earth. It's like trying to direct retarded cats with all of your limbs tied up and a gas mask on.
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liked how he called HBC + CFC + PL =Northern Coalition... More like North South West CoalitionPubbie
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I think that's exactly why we can make fun of him and -A-. He was inexperienced, short tempered, and a bitch to fleet members. And -A- refused to get rid of him or admit his or their failures.
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Do your own research instead of listening to someone who lives in high sec you dumb cunt. -a- for one never held delve, pb, or qurious. I probably lost more ships there defending Nulli territory than all of Nulli and I'm not even in -a- and the fact you believe maka is paid thousands of dollars just goes to show how blind and fucking mentally handicapped you are. A and it's allies are so shit t took 1200 people to camp us in station while another 400 grinded stations. Thanks for the compliment.
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I'm curious if the author has any actual experience maka's fleets? Or are his experiences of them based on sound cloud? This stuff should be in EN24 really.
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I don't believe maka was paid thousands of dollars, nor Euros as the article stated. In fact, it is doubtful to believe that the author believes he was paid, he simply pointed out that rumors about Maka went as far as saying he was paid to be an FC. Also, using random profanity like "dumb cunt" just makes you sound stupid, rather than helping any point you try to make.e: Also, I knew most of this beforehand, but the article still brought up some interesting points, which goes to show that just because James lives in hi-sec, doesn't mean he is oblivious in the articles he writes.
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One last thing. I was on comms when RA guy got yelled at. He was over charging by a shit ton for ships. He was caught because an RA director bought one off of him. It was widely agreed that the ass chewing was warranted, even by RA leadership. But whatevs. Keep smearing the bull shit on the wall
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-A- is shit.
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It wasn't the reason that was the problem, it was the comment "You don't talk back to -A-". That monstrous arrogance and disrespect to your coalition partners, no matter how offensive you might feel their actions were, is the real issue here.
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Maka's payments are common knowledge among people "in the know."
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I remember my first time in null sec. High sec pubbie
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I'm surprised there's not a world about Againt ALL Anomalies, aren't these ex-members of -A- trying something else ?
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James 315 really has no idea, I fought against -A- in Omist as part of the Red Arrow coalition, I found Malaku a good FC and their strategy and tactics worked, what turned me from a little anti -A- into someone who wanted them destroyed was their over bearing arrogance, and the worst one was PK. The alliance is run by people who have no political or diplomatic ability, they were never a serious coalition because they were so far up themselves they could not make it work.The CFC / HBC propoganda has been very successful at making them a laughing stock, but the real truth is that -A- are not so much shit, but more like they are not a serious coalition leader or even member and the writer got it right, that in order to survive you need to work with others.
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You sir, are a dumb cunt.
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-A- are shit.
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If you're alliance in on an op and asked to fit a ship only to find that someone in that alliance has just relisted every ship available in that station they deserve to be purged. That's the problem, he would have got the same shit if he did that during a goon, test, NC.,etc fleet.
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I like how the RA incident is mentioned. Yet whats not mentioned is that the one who was being yelled at was over charging severely for ships. He was caught by an RA director who bought one off of him. RA leadership agreed that the ass chewing was in order.
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So in other words, ability to function in a coalition or as it's leader is what defines quality these days, and since -A- can't, they're shit?
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-A- doesn't like to stick with any one entity, so they don't really have that many "long term friends"RSF (Red Swarm Federation) vs. BoB-> -A- joined hands with RSF to harass BoB.Kenzoku, IT, & Atlas vs. ex-RSF-> -A- joined their hands with ex. BoB & Lotka Volteraa entities to harass RSF.-A- vs. The Intiative-> -A- was friends with inits for a while, until they decided to kick init out of catch (Now they're back)
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This could easily be aimed at gsf, particularly since we're terrible
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Nobody calls Goons/TEST the Northern Coalition, they are CFC//HBC...The original Northern Coalition died years ago, and the Northern Coalition. alliance wasn't involved in Delve XXVIII or whichever Delve war that turned out to be... (Honestly, everyone calls it shit space but there's a war over it annually)
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The part that again stands out and made it an incident was makalu screaming "YOU DON'T TALK BACK TO -A-" as 3 regions burned. Stop try to use misdirection and equivocation to hid the facts.
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The guys point stands though. You shouldn't charge your allies for using your repair services. Especially if you expect them to fight with you. :)
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Pretty good analysis, though I offer one suggestion: -A-'s stated philosophy and their strategic actions did not match up. -A- has always stated that they are in it for the fights and don't need space. This is how they justify repeatedly losing their sov. At the same time, their actions were all about sov-holding and territorial gain through allies. I believe this caused some confusion and a lack of focus within their own membership who on one day would be expected to fight hard in a sov grind and on another be told to avoid any fight that might even remotely present the chance for a welp. It certainly caused confusion among -A-'s allies, who came to expect that -A- would never show up with their full strength to assist them.I believe breaking up -A- would be fatal for that organization. I believe they would split with the major sov warfare-oriented corps in -A- leaving for other alliances and the small-gand pvp corps perhaps staying on in the new organization.
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At that point if you don't want to pay the repair bills simply don't fight. Fucking over the entire alliance just to prove a point should get you bollocked and booted; in any alliance.
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Frankly, I don't think I ever saw a -A- pilot lose a ship on Nulli's behalf. Getting ganked in npc delve doesn't count.
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Please post all your recordings of malaku not being a sperg. Claiming ignorance of evidence or experiences without providing adequate counter evidence isn't a reliable argument.
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Okay, so if CFC lost all of Tenal, Vale, Pure Blind and Fade, they could just say "NOPE, we didn't lose any space!!!"AAA were part of coalition.-Telling someone they are wrong, and not offering a right answer but calling them a "dumb cunt" is showing you know almost nothing, and simply disagree with their conclusion of thought. -From what i heard, AAA told Nulli to stay docked and Blue-ball-Nulli actually put up a fight.-There might just be a reason why AAA has almost no allies left.-1200, show some logs?
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That's the part that made it a funny soundcloud, the fact that someone relisted every ship the FC asked his fleet to reship into is what caused him to get a bollocking. If you think any other major alliance FC would have let someone get away with that on fleet comms you're a little deluded tbh.
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I fought against -A- and it wasn't very impressive. NCDOT showed what a smaller force can do against a larger one. Props to them for actually putting up a fight.
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looking forward to the "Why does everyone hate CFC" article...oh...wait...nvm
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I agree with your point about PK, when they were fighting White Noise is when i lost all respect for AAA.
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don't forget charging allies for repairs when they fill your fleets
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Well, I feel like if they were talking about fleet stuff, then it was probably a fleet channel that they were in and listening to.
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lol - so just to get this straight. You think that just because 100% of recordings designed to make him look a dick, make him look a dick, he is a dick? I guess you also believe the guy who posted those recordings only went in half a dozen fleets?You null bears ..... dear oh dear ....
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Please go back to EN24, thank you.James is not in the CFC, and could easily write such an article to be placed on this site but he instead wrote why -A- is, in fact, shit.
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It's not the FC's problem if somebody is overcharging, that's for directors/diplos to handle.I would like to see a GSF FC try that bullshit without literally everyone else on comms shouting them down for doing it, because I for one wouldn't put up with that at all.
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Actually I sat through an elite recording of PK from -A- explain that they are a "sov-holding alliance" and that they won't be giving up their sov. A couple weeks later after getting shit-tanked really hard I got to hear a rousing speech by PK about how they're a "roaming alliance".lol
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So what you are saying is that -A- is the EVE equivalent of the Republican Party. Out of touch with reality and buying into their own bullshit thus completely incapable of recognizing their failings much less addressing them.
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Really? You telling me if boat asked everyone to reship on station for someone to pipe up in his fleet and tell boat he'd just bought and relisted all those ships at double the price because it was unhappy boat wouldn't call him nasty names? I flew in loads of his fleets I'm pretty sure he'd be pissed off. I very much doubt he'd say 'oh dear, I'm sorry you're unhappy and decided to sabotage my strat op by pricing all pilots out of it. Let me take your name and contact details and the diplo teams will contact you later. We'll all stand down'
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NC. pets arent allowed out during the day
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If you take it on the basis that the CFC has moved the goal posts in what enables an alliance to be good, and they have failed to move with that dynamic, therefore more like their leadership is shit, but I think its also the fact that the leadership of the CFC is so very impressive. Take that from someone who is fighting against the CFC, I should also point out that I was in a large number of NCDOT lead fleets during the Aussie TZ.
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I think sov kills many alliances in the end because they just collapse under the weight of null bears sapping their energy and strength. But, there are enough people who enjoy the null bear game play to fuel these alliances and rebirth them as some die.
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Another horrible propoganda article by an -A- hater.A few points.1) The "Age of Coalition" is a myth. Its not different than the original NC, the DRF, IT or even the old Atlas/A block. What HBC and CFC is doing is nothing new, except in the fact they are the latest and publise their "blue everyone" efforts more. Eve has ALWAYS been about the blob and coalition, don't try to delude yourself otherwise. HBC and CFC just use it as propganda to try to show their different from everyone before them, which they aren't.2) There is always room for pvp alliances in game w/o sov. PL for a few years, Black Legion, even Gypsys. There is nothing "new" or "shocking". -A- has always been defined by their urge to pvp, that they held regions noone else wanted was just a bonus.3) Do they need changes? Of course. Every alliance needs active fc's and a leadership head to keep things running in the right direction. The failure to deliver content is the real danger, you need to have people to shoot and fights to win.4) Why does everyone hate -A- ? Because they hate everyone. Pretty simple.
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Yeah except that whole kill board green thing
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Oh if only typing nice fluffy article made it so. What I amreading here is, crap! -A- is not deadyet despite our best effort. They havemore members than when we started and more corps. Perhaps if I write thispropaganda article it will make -A- disband. I am sure The Mittani is scratching his head saying to himself"this should have worked, they should be dead...GOD what more can Ido" LOL
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lol that was my first thought on reading this, i have never had any dealing with -A- but they seem to get into fights and thats good, how is any1 meant to fight against such a blob like the hbc? when you outnumber a alliance 5-1 or whatever it is then you are gonna win, simple as that.Which is why cfc and hbc are kings atm, they are the bluest of blue's, its about time for a hbc/cfc war i think, i would bet on hbc btw :)
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Just to let CFC know and whoever wrote this. CFC is now hated as much or more than AAASeriously Just an FYI. You mention BoB. Most people in Eve think CFC has CCP help, only nerfs when CFC whines and hoardes moons just like BoB, worst part is they were the ones who promised never to end up like BoB and were there sworn enemies, Funny how they have basically swapped regions but are considered the BOB of our age.So James Look more into articles you right. AAA is hated yes but mainly because How they openly treated Pets, people hate CFC because they treat "Allies" like AAA treats "Pets" they are just to smart to get caught laughing about it and gettibng caught on tape talking about how stupid there pets were,As far as number go, CFC is much more hated, almost every person in Eve not in CFC`s 35k doesnt like them. Meaning only TEC keeps them together the moment CCP fixes Tec they will fall apart.AAA is hated because they are cocky, pigheaded and act like they are the best....So does CFC, difference is CFC is alot Richer and hordes 80 % of Eves natural resources to make T2 shit.Both could learn alot of lesson IMO, just as we all could, but theres are so apparent its a miracle or just plain being blind on purpose they havent learned it ny now
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Yes we left our allies to themselves, like when we lost 4x more ships than nulli defending their space, or somehow our failure in 49- somehow wasn't enough for Raiden. and Init/Red Alliance who couldn't even take space themselves. Yet it all somehow hinged how what we did. Call us shit, I don't care make stories up or tell half truths, I know what happened in the south.
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LOL this guy lives in highsec? So how does he get away with writing stuff like this? its like sending me to do a write up on industry, a subject i know nothing about, please sir untill its a article about mining or missions maybe you should keep quiet.
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Just TL;DR this as '-A- is shit'
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Whats funny is a few days ago on Eve24 I posted some "Why we hate AAA as a whole" piecesand AAA guys flipped out and really came undone. I was trying to help them change there image, of maskedslave drivers leavingallies to dies and laughing at pets who are in there words "Shit in this game"They IMO act like they are 10x better than they really are, I simply said you guys have to stop talking like you are the last bastion of small elite PVP. They replied that NCDOT [my guys were goons pets] LOLOLSo I asked why our masters just took our land then? They said we work for HBC who is Pets so we are petsof pets.If Im a goons pet I want my money back :)
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You continually beat the 'Just like BoB' drum in almost every comment you make about the CFC; that's fine, but you're wrong - and dumb. I don't think you know much about BoB, why they were despised, or even what happened in the Great War.False equivalency is the favorite tactic of the foolish. The CFC has tons of problems and there's a million reasons to criticize them, but HURR JUST LIKE BOB is the sort of argument that belongs on either the Eve-O forums, EN24, or Glenn Beck's show.
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lol and i suppose a f1 monkey like you is "in the know"?
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Lastly apparently in there world Pets get Rolfstomped by there masters :)
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So is Grath, and have you heard JEFFRAIDER rage or ELISE? I think I have almost heard Elise cry when PL lost a few supers a while back. Vince is also a big douche, the dude can't even FC anymore. The only reason Makalu gets so much shit is the pressure from recordings, we hear every OP. The fact is that there was so much centered around Makalu that you will hear rage. And when you can get only 5 minutes of rage out of a 3 hour fleet fight, that isn't that bad.
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Absolutely, I agree that an ass-chewing is in order in such a situation. It is the method of ass-chewing that is being commented on. I could just say "your post is fucking shit, just like -A-, your mother must have been drinking when you were conceived" or I could try to explain this like I am doing. Which one makes me seem (more) like a total douchebag? Makalu's arrogance in that situation is what the writer is referring to.
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NC. didn't show shit, their whole survival literally hinged on ELO, and when he left they fell apart. Also -A- faced the combined power of HBC/CFC and then when the CFC left the HBC started throwing out pimped out fleets, while NC. was just having to deal with endless Drake blobs. NC. hasn't faced an enemy with a superious fleet doctorine for a long time because well they are blue to PL. And fighting 500 man fleets with PL fc's at the head is 10x more dangerous than 1000man fleets of shitty goon FC's and their drakes.
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I guess the site software fucked up on my end, I see different names now.
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PK is a douchebag, he wonders why less and less people join his fleets, Maka was a dick at times, PK is just a douche all the time, everything he says just has the sound of arrogance to it.
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I was in Bob mittens....SOOOOI got out out because I hated them, after a while since I was new and they were different when I first joined.Sorry mittens I know you hate to hear it but its what most people think. They just wernt around in BoB era.Bob had Game by the balls because of Moons, You have game by the Balls because the new moons are same bottle neck almost. You are a massive Blob so were they. You use your pets to get most your PVP done, they used MC.Please tell me how different you are again?
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I don't record any comms at all. As wrik hoover to give Unedited versions of our comms. He usually compress's hours of recordings into 5 minutes to make it seem like Maka is sperging constantly,
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-A- should get their fair share of 20% of eves natural resources left for none CFC alliances
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Also, my opinion differs fom that of common folks back then including cheating through Devs etc etc...But it still looks bad that DJ works for CCP and others, Sorry but it does.So you can say all day its a crazy conpiracy its what they said about BoB. My BoB buddies to this day wont admit whats a simple truth, they got help on T2 BPO Lotto and other things very often.The furthest I`ll go is say RZR got reimbursed and that was bullshit. Im alot more level headed than the claims YOU and other Goons made back then, half was right half turned out to be crazy bullshit.Thats why im skeptical of every side, including yours saying I dont know about great war lol Also im very skeptical about them saying you had prior knowledge about missile nerf so mail came out early right after your CCP meeting and you issuing statement saying to stop training HML`s 2-3 weeks early.I defend you guys as much as I criticize, thats the truth. I said time and again Eve is not just Pew, and you guys are masters at other parts of game, I also said you guys are as winning at this game as can be for tons of reasons I list. Im not anti Goon im anti any massive blueing, is it your fault CCP allows broken mechanics? nope. Do people hate you like they hated BoB? Absolutely. Is the messenger getting shot? YepWhy dont you as a guy with a bunch of weight in game call for a change to Tec? If you come up with an answer saying " Because its fine the way it is" IMO its because you own most Tech now and are happy the way it is meaning you care more about GSF and how well you do than Eve itself. You were elected to help out all Eve not just GSF/CFCYou honestly dont see how people could think you are very similar to BoB? If you cant your blind or have an agenda or both.Im not evn asking you to say its true because in alot of ways it not, but from the outside, you saying someone is crazy and it doesnt remotely look that way is just as crazy.It looks like you wont even take a step back and look.
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Hey, I don't know if he's an absolute areshole or a super friendly dude. However; I do know that I don't swallow propaganda hook line and sinker.
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I'm sorry, they ARE way more than half dead. they don't hold sov anymore in any meaningful way, and their fleets run the second literally anything forms up of any size and ship class whatsoever.
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Says the random unregistered poster.We are not really in RT. anymore for one. I only really log on for skills and indy stuff, the rest of the time i'm playing Dota. But i like how you either knew me, or cared to look me up.
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"but it all lacks a bit of journalism"All of the gramatical errors in that stellar six line post also lack "jounalism"...
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He relisted the ships after he was charged for repairs. Dick move, yes. But he learned from the masters, -A-.
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I'm really confused at what you are trying to say in this...Are you trying to respond to schohrf or was it a response to me that was based on a misunderstanding of what I said, or maybe I'm just missing something...
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Pointing out grammatical errors without being able spell correctly is a thing?
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They make sense its just you dont like answers.BTW what Block are you from? I bet I know, Funny part is if they make no sense how can you tell they are terrible? How can you show no intention of improvementFunny how you contradict yourself 3 times in 1 line, thats some kind of record.You either thinkA. They make no sense, problem here is you wouldnt understand anything and not list why my posts suck and are terrible, my money is on you cant refute something that your ass aches about so you just say little kid sentences like "You suck" HaHa refute that, oh wait this means his posts do make sense enough to disagree or think they suck...Ether way its the pussy way out. Like yelling at a guy who can kick your ass as you drive away.B.Think my posts suck [AKA you dont agree but are either to pussy, retarded or to lazy to reply]In all cases a coward.who does drive by insults.C. Think I wont improve proves you not only read them and you understood them but you formed an opinion meaning they make plenty of sense....I would be Alot of money you are a Pet of one of the big boys who has no grasp of anything, and just go for the easy "He`s NCDOT/Nulli and im on a Goons ran site named after there leader like some 1970`s Pinko country, hell it even has our era`s version of paper hanging with his image in glases and a fedora.....LolI think Mittens is Genius, dangerous like all dictators but fascinating none the less, and not the site :) the dudeSo what block are you from?
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Good article. Well written. Don't think of it as hate, -A-, think of it as an intervention.... -A- we love you but you've f*%$d up in the past and we'd like you to not keep acting like your failures don't stink. :)
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Speaking of 'out of touch with reality'; anyone that believes either the Democrat or Republican party are out to achieve anything more than their own goals while fucking over the rest of us.
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I figured, with that name, they were just ex-A- Carebears that wanted to rat in peace up north.
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So, you're suggesting that TEST's worse strategy managed to win the day because -A-'s better strategy failed? I...see...
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Its very hard to argue vs that tape.....Even when someone has a bad day. He raged then tried to flex nuts like he was going to have him killed lol."Whats your NAME MOTHERFUCKER,,,,,,NAME!!!!!! NOW"Lol even his own guys joked "ARMOR HAAAAACCCCSSSS"His though showed IMo what he really feels deep down without and censoring. He rages about how AAA is the best and how they [whoever they is would be dead and is "Shit without AAA"]In reality RA would have been better without AAA.While none of our Alliances [lets be honest] dont have some darkspots in our past, ]if you think yours is different your leader is great at his job, :)] but AAA in reality didnt think GSF would ever nove on them, since there Tec in the north.......Wrong, oh so wrong. So AAA thinking they were going to be safe wanted to have its pets fight over a region promised 2 times, 1 for a reward Nulli. and one to appease RA so no more XDeath+RA......Face it -A-[ this is why people hate you guys you dont admit EVER what you did was wrong] You wanted to see a GF as did we all, but poblem was to both RA+Nulli this was there future, so to a Pet that would be funny to make them fight it out, to a friend and ally thats fucked up and plain wrong.So you got labled as the guys who doesnt know difference from Pet aka Leeches who do little and give bare minimum to keep whatever both sides have alive, Were as Friends Allies are your Bro`s who you like Nulli was who had acually helped yu fight and hold Sov.ExampleRenter=PetFriend=AllieAnother example would have beenNCDOTRolling thunder=Renter some call pets [But we were nice esp under circumstancesNulli = True Friend and Alli enough so that we gave up the war in Vale and decided to fight together from 2 different fronts.Ask Nulli if they felt like they were treated as Pets or as Friends who helped you keep sov.Then ask ROL and Stainwagon what they felt they were. Alot of my Cascade Buddies say you recognized there skillz but once they left even though they stayed and had your backs they immediately said it felt like they were ;onger AAA, meaning your in or out no inbetween. Thats IMO why HBC is winning they found out how to make people feel specil even when TBH they arent....AAA was to honest lols
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Civ3 was like the retarded middle child of Alpha Centauri, when compared with the over-achieving Civ4 and the small but intelligent Civ2 (ToT)
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It just feels that grath's or jeff's rage is built upon some kind of solid foundation, in which they have the reputation and respect to be able to rage when necessary. When grath rages, I think "well, he does know his shit". With Makalu, it's "what does this nerdlord know?"
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You think basic respect towards allies = OMG LOL MORE BLUE LIST?AAA.jpg
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You aren't 'getting it'. The point is not that the FC was pissed - OF COURSE HE WAS PISSED. Any FC would be, obviously. The issue is the arrogance of what was said: 'You don't talk back to -A-!' not something personal to that individual, not a statement that the person is a jerk or whatever...not that your alliance will be pissed with you, no...-A- is pissed at you and apparently that is worse than anybody else being angry at you. He went on to talk about how he played the game at some elite level 'so far above' the other guy...the pure arrogance is astounding. We are all just folks playing this game, except apparently for Makalu and -A-. That sense of ENTITLEMENT is what is being pointed out here, it has absolutely nothing to do with whether Makalu was correct in being angry about it.
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Holy fuck what is this pubbie motherfucker shit. There's a difference between journalism and opening your anus to let blood drip onto the page.
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I left out an M, touche sir, touche!
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No, dude, really - your posts usually make no sense. Neither here, nor on EN 24.
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I am a goon, and you're fucking terrible. Really god damn bad. Stop this shit. You're absolutely right, I don't like your posts, I find you to be difficult to read, spread misinformation, and have uninformed opinions, and are neigh on illiterate. Fuck off
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Ok Ill make it simple for now. Tec is broken. Everyone admits it except you people sucking off its Titty. Numbers are broken, there needs to be a penalty for 40 alliances different corps all using same jump bridge. Since numbers and wealth are the greatest 2 Weapons in Eve there needs to be a down side or its a simple numbers race....How does that not make sense?You may disagree but it makes sense. I think you guys dont understand what makes sense.Also on Eve 24 half my stuff is auto blocked because I use mittens or some form of his name and get blocked so posts come out of order meanwhile Pieces get sliced off to post.What I wrote uptp you can disagree with but can never say it doesnt make sense.Also show me how this post doesnt make sense?"Whats funny is a few days ago on Eve24 I posted some "Why we hate AAA as a whole" piecesand AAA guys flipped out and really came undone. I was trying to help them change there image, of maskedslave drivers leavingallies to dies and laughing at pets who are in there words "Shit in this game"They IMO act like they are 10x better than they really are, I simply said you guys have to stop talking like you are the last bastion of small elite PVP. They replied that NCDOT [my guys were goons pets] LOLOLSo I asked why our masters just took our land then? They said we work for HBC who is Pets so we are petsof pets.If Im a goons pet I want my money back :)"Thats another post, if you cant understand that you are retarded again.Lastly me saying AAA is viewed as a group who either views others as Pets or AAA also makes sense.In fact you tell me what I said that doesnt make sense?Lastly I predict AAA has ammo on Montolio and will release it soon, some sort of ammo to derail his whole "HBC is cool and we dont Bot: vs AAA is dirty and Bots all the time.If that doesnt make sense once more your stupid.
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Na, Against All Anomalies are exactly like their southern big brothers. A bunch of arrogant douches who think the other alliances around them are their pets to talk down to or be bossed around. They barely put thirty pilots in a fleet and act like they really are a power house alliance because they have a few supers and the odd Titan. Well so did SONE and the alliances that they are currently showing such disrespect to evicted them from the space Against All Anomalies now live in, just something to think on. :-)
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How can we punch it into your head any harder? Goons have been FOR a tech nerf sense BEFORE we set up OTEC. Do your fucking research you ignorant fuck. We campaigned for a tech nerf every time we had someone on CSM, we wrote giant articles about it, we did EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER to bring it to the attention of the devs,People can't read your damn posts because your sentence structure is on par with a 3rd grader, your use of IM speech is that of a 13 year old teenage girl.You are the downfall of civilization.
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yeah, um, do you guys just like the color red or something? i mean, i admire your dedication at climbing over the wrecks of your friends and clones, but fuck me.. good strategy, but a hell of a meatgrinder. (poltics aside, i do actually respect you guys, although i would never find myself joining you.)
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That's just adorable.
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No dude, we just don't actually delete giant swaths of kills off our killboards to keep them green. Which AAA Does, repeatedly.
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I love the idea that The Mittani is behind EVERY article on the site. Like he's sat in a dark room, writing furiously.
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Jesus saves; -A- does not.
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Implying -A- has class.
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your leaders refused to undock for two weeks while merrily watching our regions burn. so, fuck YOU. you lost one loki and one tengu, which was enough to scare your alliance into never undocking either concept. we lost a region and a half, and still came out with more dignity, self respect, and allies than you. get the fuck out, stay the fuck out, and dont sleep in the fucking doorstep.
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"Saying everyone hates -A- is a hyperbole because there's that one alliance that hasn't jumped ship yet"Well played.
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Okay, granted on the -A-. but i still secretly suspect you guys actually fucking hate drakes or something, and endeavor to kill as many as possible however possible. (which would be mildly hilarious. because fuck drakes.)either way, enjoyed the fights ^_^
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Hehhhhhhhhhhhh, dont ask me, I haven't flown a drake sense early delve ;) ~*bomberwaffe 4 lyfe*~
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In their defense, -A- may be shit, but -Sov- is shittier. Obligatory "Fix ur game ccp omg null sux."At least someone ~attempted~ a sleight-of-hand "We were always a roaming alliance" shift of perspective.
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nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope
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"You're trying to bullshit me, right?"Said no -A- member ever.
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Etherealpain is completely correct on Tech here.Goons didn't just campaign for a Tech nerf; The Mittani has been vetting a complete moon redistribution since...well, I don't know how early. The current state of The Tech Nerf isn't even as severe as the CFC has desired. These masochists wish to see their tech completely moved around, not just capped with an alchemy price ceiling.As far as pets are concerned, member alliances of the CFC and HBC enjoy roleplaying an Arthurian Round Table relationship as each member is able to pull its own weight or shows great ambition; there is no need for a master in a group of alliances with strong logistical / military / cultural backbones and common goals. Alliances that respond to training and examples mature quickly in this environment and have historically been welcome to join.Case in point: GENTS, a group born with a strong cultural spine that quickly learned how to harass the everliving hell out of others quickly under the CFC. In the CFC Delve involvement, GENTS were deployed not to the southwest, but to -A- botter space to begin the waterfall of tears that is the AAA Citizens state of affairs today. GENTS pride themselves for their cultural distinction from Goons (being nice, lack of pedophilia, etc); it made sense for them to carry out solo objectives in a communal campaign.Space Monkey Alliance, The 99%, numerous SoCo / Dotbro splinter corps... it is common for alliances to show promise, sign up, and begin weaning from their benefactors' care.At the opposite end of the spectrum, we have The Jagged Alliance. Long story short, some people don't want to bother with independence, logistics, or a well-organized diplomatic / internal power structure. Their leaders were overambitious, unmotivated, and crap. Some people want to be pets; some coalitions don't like that. There's no place for a deadbeat uncle at Le Round Table.This King Arthur metaphor is so spacehonour whiteknight, I am dry heaving right now.Tl;dr: A quote from Full Metal Jacket summarizes the state of 'pets' in the HBC:"The drill instructors are proud to see that we are growing beyond their control. The Marine Corps does not want robots. The Marine Corps wants killers." If you're in the business of calling culturally independent, militarily powerful, logistic wunderkid young alliances "pets," get out. If the word "Pet" crosses your neocom regularly, you are likely the guilty one.
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So glad Providence ignored -A-'s attempts at getting us involved.Don't need them to shoot the fine peoples of HBC anyways.
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This is expert propaganda
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TEST doesn't just conveniently make sweet talk with sub-par or young alliances to make them feel special. TEST Logistics spends an unhealthy amount of time teaching young corporations and alliances how to get their gear in order. As far as advancing EvE and the quality of the average player's experience, these guys are heroes, and their earnest altruism (autism?) engine is completely without equal in the entirety of the AAA-to-IRC swath of the map.
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My 'own research' is my experience hurling Rokh fleets against you in the Southeast, AFK camping your renters, sitting in Foxcat fleets torching Tengu after Tengu, grinding your structures in endless Drake capital support fleets, watching -A- stand down in 1:1 odds, and listening to your voice comms almost nightly.
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Do you have to use an -A-lliance -A-pproved web browser in your alliance or something?
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Some people can manage upwards of a thousand pilots through leadership mistakes without punching their keyboards like children.
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"... the real truth is that -A- are not so much shit, but more like they are not a serious coalition leader or even member and the writer got it right, that in order to survive you need to work with others."-A-ctually, this guy has it down right. Blame for the lack of proper timers, counter-SBUing HBC homelands, strong counteroffensives, blueball-and-grind (see: CFC AU-TZ) / blueball-and-skirmish tactics, etc shouldn't fall entirely on Makalu and other field FCs. These are actions that require coalition-wide coordination, diplomacy, and respect."We don't need a Mittani." -Some derp in -A-/Nulli leader channels upon TEST's staging in 1DH. Yes, actually, you needed a Mittani.
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Love him or hate him, James315 is an awesome writer, and his prose is probably responsible for thousands of subscriptions in this terrible game.It is this sort of incising, artful, nearly-e-bushido-spacecommie-honour, this-game-is-actually-important-and-real-decisions-and-leadership-matter writing that is the gateway into playing EvE.
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"rather outnumbered, outgunned and outperformed" umm i think saying outlclassed is just a shorter way of putting that
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There is intense debate in HBC circles as to whether or not -A- can be "legally declared dead." The discussions are fascinating plunges into corporate law, the medical definition of death (or lack thereof; persistent vegetation cases seem to come up a lot), and (many) historical examples of conquests that never officially submitted themselves to their conquerors yet are de-facto nonexistent on the globe today. Suddenly, everyone's an expert :DSome people are taking the evaporation of meaningful -A- presence on the map and in war very seriously, and it is surprising how often you are given the benefit of the doubt.
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Please dont go. The drones need you. They look up to you
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I agree with this to some extent. At some point a guy who loses 20 fights in a row isnt a fighter but a punching bag.You also are right the Diplo game I have learned long ago is more important than even PVP to some degree.GSF are IMO the undisputed King of this realm. They have turned PVP losses into wins somehow, meaning when they lose 9/10 fights the 1 win makes them inners because they spread propaganda so damned well.If NCDOT was 1/100000th as good at [Diplo isnt the word] manipulation is better as GSF we would own all Eve.TBH thank god CFC sucks at PVP, it really is there only weakspot, but because there players are so proud to a part of them when they lose they dont care. In NCDOT if I had a 50% kill ratio I would get kicked, in GSF they would make an excuse for me and they would move me to there mining section or there Plex section and Then there c [Corp] would make 10-15% of me and expect less from alliance Tec. This dramatically reduces Corp dependance on ALliance, while taking super Carbears out of PVP. its very very smart.TBH most everything in GSF is well thought out and well executed, it`s sad we dont have 100th of there infrastructure....They won Eve IMOLol for real.Next I predict info on Montololio to break wide open, only few know the rumors but I`ll tekk the guys who thin im a tinfoil hat guy.AAA will accuse Montolio of collaborating with Horus about a RMT deal and the real reason they were forced to leave and why the leader of TJA didnt tell anyone the truth.Also this will b blamed on the reason why HBC gave them a pass and didnt let them get hosed.So if you thought that smnelt fishy according to highranbking AAA, you were very right.See I ant crazy :)P
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Butthurt kids are butthurt. -A- wins even when they lose. Atleast hack Dotlan to fake declining member numbers before writing your butthurt article, kid.
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Bricksquad member reporting. You will find what you have said above to be 100% incorrect. Their leadership is very relaxed, They openly admit they are holding sov because SOLAR allows it. End of the day SOLAR is the "master"
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Have you actually seen the chat logs going on in their coalition? Alliances like PNG bring numbers yes but their leadership lacks knowledge of full hard long 0.0 combat SCDOT corps or leadership has been involved in basically every major 0.0 sov warfare in eve history in some way, When your trying to explain the basics on 0.0 combat to ex XXDeathXX renters who havnt had to fight for 6-12 months straight losing space fighting on back foot, OFC your going to sound like an arrogant douche thats because you fail to see the bigger picture and lack the understanding of what people like them try to say. But you sit their thinking you know how it is.
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I am not sure how that question makes sense.Anyway, I wasn't saying anything about better or worse. Fact of the matter is, nobody can stand up to the combined forces of TEST, PL, Goons + Allies in a fight that is about numbers and timers. It is a great achievement that those alliances have rallied so many to their cause. It is a failure of -A- to not have managed something comparable.But is it an achievement to win a propaganda war against an alliance where half the people do not speak/write English? Is it an achievement to win with superiour numbers and superiour funds?Well, HBCFC won. Do they now want to be credited for methods they didn't use to win?I'd say they should be happy with their victory and stop trying to make it more than it is..
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Haters gonna hate.
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I luv -A- they gave us the best video in the EVE history, forget Clarion Call, forget Clear Skyes, forget the Kill2 pvp academy....... check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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James 315, you're one of my favourite posters, but I think you have selectively ignored the most important part of -A-'s history: they have lost all that space several times before, and come back from the dead several times before.-A-'s strength isn't that they're awesome at PVP, it isn't that they have numbers, and it isn't their leadership. In fact, they suffer many of the same problems (from my POV) that the CFC do:- they don't undock without 2:1 or greater numbers- their default strategic move is blueballing-A-'s strength must be that they continue believing in -A- long after everyone else has given up on them - and that committment allows them to come back from the dead and retake the regions of spare they have lost a couple of months later.
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wow, that was awful.Shame on you TMC staff.
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You didn't even lose the war. You didn't TRY fighting it.If you tried and failed with losses and a red killboard, your allies would have thought : look, they're cool guys, they tried to help and lost tons of ISK to try and help us keep our space. HBC/CFC was too strong this time, but at least we're good allies.And now that CFC left this front, you would still have good friends to field with you and win this war. Loosing 3 regions wasn't much with the volume of space the SoCo was holding, you could have easily relocated your allies somewhere else and keep their numbers on your side.But instead, you shat on them and put the blame on them. Now you're alone. It's not what I call a good strategy. Do you ?
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But that would involve putting their money where their mouth is.Far better to sit on the sidelines and cry about 'bias' than to do anything about it.
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Random and true.
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No really dude that post made no sense. Its like when you're around a bunch of drunk people and you get the jist of it but they are all over the place with the story.
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-A- 's problem is they have the attitude of 2006-era BoB without any of the abilities or reputation to back it up. Only the horrorshow that is post-Dominion 0.0 and the geography of the south have prevented them being stomped into oblivion long ago.
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It's sad because I remember just a couple years ago, it wasn't "-A- is shit" ... -A-, was..."The shit" Before I was a tribble, I was in syndicate harassing people for a year, before that I was in the NC (Not the NC.) Before that I was a holder with CVA, during the war with -A- and Ushra Kahn.. a war that ultimately saw us routed from most of Providence. We feared -A- and respected them. When they came on the field the game was over. But now... since the beginning of Tribal Band, I've been in dozens of fleets, and I have not seen one fleet from our supposed great enemy. I was there as we crushed over Red Overlords space, and their supposed benefactors were nowhere to be found to aide them. I've been living in HED-GP for nigh 2 weeks and have seen not head nor tail of an -A- fleet.It really is sad, it's like growing up to find out your childhood hero is a drunken womanizing asshole.
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You are mistaking me for someone who has anything to do with -A- Believe me I certainly don't. I just fully understand why someone would not throw their fleets against that steamroller just so they could die honorably.The main mistake -A- made - and someone pointed that out here - was that they _acted_ as if they were those great leaders and fighters while they were not.
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So criticizing something you are no part of is not allowed? If that is the case then I wonder why the staff of this website didn't all go and write for EN24 if they disliked it so much?
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If you're a goon you should know to never stop posting.
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The difference being that the Democrat party's goals aren't explicitly 'disenfranchise, impoverish, and demonise everyone who isn't a white, evangelical millionaire'.
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Do you really think Riverini would accept writers who submitted anything counter to the en24 party line?
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The average cfc grunt is not a high sp player, this is true. For too long we relied on the low sp drake too win our fights, that has changed. We came up against strong resistance in the north, nulli and black legion gave us a spanking a few times and we adapted like any entity would. But even with, from what I've deciphered from your post, low SP pilots.. We never lost 50% of our fights, and even if we welped a fleet, more often than not it was for a strategic objective that we accomplished. You, yes You BNhunter, not your alliance who I'm just going too assume has more tactical sense than you, fail too see that battle in EVE is more than just the number of wrecks on the battlefield. If someone loses half a drake fleet pushing hostile fleet off a gate too get them in position for another force too land a finishing blow, or rep a pos, or reinforce an I-hub, that is an undeniable win for that welped drake fleet. And please, by all means, if you have something too report with credible proof, for or against the cfc or hbc, write it up and submit it for publishing, I'm sure someone with more patience than I will go through your text and translate it into something readable for the general population that lives outside of your head. Until the time that you wish too share with the class, rather than your current claims that you are 'in the know,' please, for the sake of all of the readers here as well as my own throbbing headache at your current posts, shut the fuck up.
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sometimes I wish helldump2k wasn't shut down. For times like this we have Deadtear, oh deadtear how I wish you had mod powers on TheMittaniDOTcom
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No they seem to come off very similar to how this article describes -A- The scuttlebutt we get about that group up there is SC. have nearly everyone up hesitant to join on ops led by them. ED, PNG Core and that lot have alot more in common with TEST as they don't seem to take themselves very seriously and that is likely the source of the friction in their coalition. SC, sat at the -A- table long enough to pick up all their bad habits.Maybe Nulli can broker a peace with Solar, take the lead, run it properly and put something together that may have the chance to slow down Test or Goons. If not, the big blue doughnut of a Goon/Test controlled nullsec is in our future.
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I'd rather die in space, than rot in station >_>
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nobody is saying anything about e-bushido on the HBC side... that's some old ass Band of Brothers bullshit. We simply muse that maybe if you had at least tried to help your "allies" A.) maybe they wouldn't have lost so much space so fast, and B. maybe everyone wouldn't think they are weak for being beaten so fast. And C.) maybe you'd have gotten some kills and wouldn't suddenly find yourselves universally considered "Shit"
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I'm in PL m8r
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We still fly drakes?No matter the fleet comp, ALWAYS Megathron.
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The resurgence of faith based politics is relatively new, and is on the decline, so that point of yours is worthless. Millionaires didn't vote for Romney overwhelmingly, so that point is worthless. People on government assistance, and those under the EXPANDING poverty level overwhelmingly voted Obama -- so it is just a shit allegation to say Democrats want to make people well off and Republicans want to make people poor. If anything it's the opposite.Thanks for playing.
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m8 we play electroswing in all our fleets now. Parov Stelar, and that shit yo. Look up "catgroove." We're classy as fuck. We are NOT ourclassed.
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Makalu is the only FC in game to push PL back, lets go back to the start of 2012 where AAA under Makalu continuously killed PL fleets and PL supers, Shadoo actually did some bullshit sucking up on out comms after he decided not to counter drop our Supers. Grath has a solid foundation..Jeff on the other hand is a leech, the dude talks like some 16 year old douchebag, throwing around nigger and faggot like he vocabulary can't handle any other words.
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goonswarm, the last bastion of literacy in eve online.
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I have no idea what your saying dude your all over the god damn place. the fact that your typing as if your one of those guy's who stops mid sentence and just starts a brand new sentence that on a completely different topic isn't helping at all.
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Test learned from goons and have since used what they have learned to great effect.
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what a terrible article written by someone who seems to have not more than some outsider intel
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All I got out of his post was some drivel about killboard stats, nobody in GSF will even look at your K:D ratio, more or less give a shit what it is. You certainly will not be told to get out of fleets and go hebrew it up because some shitty metric says you are bad.Given that certain ship types net hellaciously good reimbursement payouts, some people attend fleets with the anticipation of dying. Me personally, I would rather fly balls to the wall, not giving a single fuck and exploding gloriously under the GSF flag than to ever be the living/playing embodiment of my Kill:Death Ratio (which incidentally is pretty high).Also- there are a surprisingly huge amount of Goons over 100m SP.
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And we sure as hell love 'em for it. [End Circlejerk]
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Actually, I am not Goon, but TESTfagtrisomy21autisticparaplegicbluesbluesbluesblues [BLUES].
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Okay, I'm interested.This is pubbie journalism...why?Edit: Curse it, pro trolled. Good work.
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The gentleman you are talking to above is a masochist whose idealized plan for Technetium would be to see it spread across the galaxy rather than clumped in one area. This would hit CFC finances far harder than an alchemy cap on Technetium prices; at present, OTEC price fixing is softened yet still enormously effective.To paraphrase some of his writing, New Eden needs Technetium Blood Diamonds. These moons are the closest things we have to meaningful homes in space that we would die fighting overwhelming odds to defend. Case in point: The EvE RUS motherland of C-J6 wasn't meaningful enough for the home team to risk assets for a (fleeting) chance to protect. As far as driving conflict goes, history and honour seem to take a back seat to the fear of losing a small fleet of battleships and Tengus to autistic nerds and their Victorian overlords.The Mittani recognizes the perils of progressively losing meaningful conflict in EvE. It is more important that valuable moons and good space be dispersed throughout the galaxy for everyone to fight over than for the CFC to maintain financial solvency in its present mode. Placing Technetium within reach of every alliance regardless of their location on the compass rose (see: not the northwest) gives them more to fight over than the e-peen of a twelve-point-font alliance name in the upper left corner of the screen.The problems of fixing nullsec, re-balancing high/low/null risk and reward, nerfing Technetium, and encouraging more players to leave highsec and really play EvE for the first time all intertwined. There is no Mittani without the CFC; there is no CFC without meaningful conflict; there is no meaningful conflict without meaningful rewards. Alex sees this, and he is thus motivated first and foremost to promote the game and keep players interested, even at the cost of shooting his Mittani persona in the foot.You should read Sins of a Solar Spymaster and watch his interviews on Youtube. You may not have voted for him, but he fought for you anyway. BoB never promoted a change that would have harmed them in even a minor way.*inb4 I am purged in flame for presuming to know a slice of The Mittani's vision for Technetium and conflict. Eep. *
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Dude, it's kind phenomenal how you can write sooooooo much and say so little!! Truly amazing.
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Quite a wall of text from someone who runs a miner blog...
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-A- is shit!! I am calling you out Makalu!! Rifters IN CKX at dawn!!! ROFL t
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White rich actually did overwhelmingly vote republican, there are spread sheets you can find via google... thanks for playing.Faith based politics -is- relatively new, starting around the mid 80s... but to while perhaps one can argue its on a decline (I would say it has more plateau'd if anything), its still a major factor as anyone who paid a scrap of attention to elections could tell.... thanks for playing."people on government assistance, and those under EXPANDING poverty level overwhelmingly voted Obama -- so it is just a shit allegation to say democrats want to make people well off and republicans want to make people poor. If anything it's the opposite" -- Argue your point better, there are hidden premises in here that could throw me in any direction.However this is where i insert Will's (the OP) point... don't think it would be significantly different with any side whatever they argue. However he (OP) kind of contradicts himself with saying the Democrats and Republicans are after their 'own goals' but then saying there isnt a difference. Two different points that can conflict.There are differences between the two, especially socially, but when it comes to hard policy i highly doubt there would be much difference. The healthcare plan was the only thing i would never see coming out of a republican agenda.And in my personal opinion, about time there was a public healthcare policy (eon's behind other industrialized countries), health of citizens does relate to efficiency and ability to absorb education ( especially amongst children, thats not opinion, thats this thing called science) and the impoverished end of U.S. really needs to pick its shit up if America is to have any future, thats one step towards it.
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all hail the emperor of hisec!
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No they do, it's just not as overwhelming as some people would have you believe; and considering millionaires only amount to a relatively small amount of votes, to then say Republicans only cater to millionaires is just laughable - they'd never get elected.
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Please share this information on millionaires of any race overwhelmingly voting for Romney. Ten percentage points I wouldn't consider overwhelming. If you look at the much larger segments of the voting populace which were much more polarized, bringing up how millionaires voted is pointless other than to rouse emotion."[Faith], its still a major factor as anyone who paid a scrap of attention to elections could tell"It's a token question that gets asked of the candidates and they give their generic answers. No Democrat running has been openly atheist. It gives Republican primary candidates some easy traction early on, but fortunately for all of us, the truly boneheaded traditionalists like Santorum are left by the wayside. Not sure why you decided to spike the football with that point.
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Yeah, there's been some issues with scdot. A lot of the drone regions alliances have also either been almost excessively independent and struggle or don't want to do big fleets (brick in particular), or are new to sov warfare like ED or PNG. On average their SP and isk levels aren't exactly amazing either. The language barrier sucks as well. In my opinion the drone regions alliances really deserve some credit for at least trying to make things work, considering the kinda crappy circumstances they're in.It'd be good if nulli could make a deal with Solar, actually. That would make the northeastern coalition pretty powerful, possibly even comparable to the HBC or CFC. Realistically, though, it's easier for nulli to make a deal with the HBC and the alliances close to curse are much closer in a cultural sense and it lets them expand without too much trouble. A- hanging around the area and ncdot still holding geminate tech moons (I guess they made a deal for those?) makes things even harder.
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Well to be fair not so long ago goons where on there knees and I a member of ZAF(Sundering) had to flee out of delve until we could regroup. It took over a year before Goons rised from the ash because they got the leader willing to do what was needed. I do not think AAA with there current leadership is going anywhere soon.
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Southern Coalition was made up by Goonswarm to justify the whole CFC to go down to delve to take it. -A- just went along with it a week after and then started to treat it like a coalition. But the thought was to late and everyone was already deployed before everyone even knew they were in a coalition.It was almost as if -A- expected everyone to magically know what to do....
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! *stops abruptly short* Ahh dammit! Stupid -A- carcass stuck on the tracks again!
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I probably shot at you! I used to run with Trust Doesn't Rust (TDR) in Ushra'Khan. My CEO at the time was a bit of a hot head, but I had some serious fun back then. I stayed in Ushra'khan post disbanding to the highest bidder and reforming, but left shortly after Body County left -A-. A few corps I think left and after that -A- has had nothing but bad PR from my perspective.I considered joining a member of another coalition but the fallout of 2 decent alliances has sullied my pallet and now I just have high standards.
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I used to be in Ushra'Khan also before and during the providence war. Had a kid and fell away from EVE shortly after. Still kind of sad to see how things went down after all that.
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The massive drake-welps are usually due to the fact that boat sees an enemy FC's alt in the red blob and does everything humanly possible to kill him, then he sees another - repeats the process, etc. Without actually caring what happens to the fleet. I'll give him credit however - dead drake = best drake. If I never fly in a drakefleet it'll be too soon.
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Yup, they are, instead of Sansha they're tring drones/Guristas.
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-A- Begs for help to fight their wars, and will not lend a hand to the Friends that come to save them time after time.. To -A- and Maka kaka may you enjoy your time in Stain once again!!
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I was in AAA. i have seen many Goon campagnes as blue or red to Goon. When I heard Goons attack in Delve, I quit AAA. I had already a big problem with AAA before, because it is basically a Russian dictatorship with some oligarchs on top, who take everything and betray their foot soldiers.The reason I left AAA, when Goons came. I knew exactly, it will go this way. Goon outnumber the alliance, they attack always. It is a 100 % save victory.They have way superior intel AND they systematically kill the good name of the enemy. Goons are a very negative alliance, when you not with them. I have only seen Russians, who have RL interests in the game, do worse things to their enemies than Goons. Some deserved it more than others. BOB deserved it in some way. Some in AAA deserve it, as I said above. There were other alliances, i.e. Bruce was like Test in many ways. But Bruce made one big mistake: They tried to be independent. What happened to them? The same, what always happens, when Mittani gives you his attention. A shitstorm.Mittani/Goon leadership should pick their own nose.Even this blog shows again the Goon mentality. A strong character would say, what he did to manipulate the AAA shit meme - which only retards use - and would collect proof, why AAA is shit - that is how non-retards do it. But that would be more work than just sent out a jabber ping to a hord of brain-dead retards, pretend AAA would be shit, all of them.Everybody talks about the donut. The donut will not come because nobody can fight anymore. The donut will be a selffulling prophecy. It will come, because nobody wants to waste time anymore to fight Goons. And that is how Goons destroy the game for real.
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I heard -A- was closing it's doors after Dec 1 anyway.
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Probably.
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Why does everyone hate Goonswarm ?
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might aswell remove -a- all together by goons and test, then pull back out of those territories and let a new power rise from there to have fun with.
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Can someone sponsor me into GoonWaffe? This is my third time trying to break into EVE and I really don't want to wait 3 months to get into a good corp.
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CCP will release a ship that literally looks like a flying pig (curly tail and all) before EN24 is unbiasedbut then unbiased media would only be possible from a robot

It's no secret that the reputation of -A- (Against All Authorities) isn't what it once was. Longtime players may still recall the days when -A-, under the leadership of the infamous Evil Thug, was considered an elite — or at least very formidable — PvP alliance. While -A- still holds a sizable amount of real estate in Southern nullsec, its image has become as tarnished as any alliance in EVE's history (aside from the Band of Brothers).

Though impolite, the best way to illustrate -A-'s current predicament is to cite the oft-used remark, "-A- is shit." The indelicate phrase became a slogan more than a year ago, and is now so frequently associated with the alliance that it has become a bona fide meme. One might say this is simply the result of a (spectacularly) successful propaganda campaign on the part of -A-'s enemies. But I think it goes much deeper than that. After all, every nullsec alliance has enemies.

It might be tempting for -A- and its remaining friends to look at an article such as this one as an unfair, biased attack. Not so: If the same fate had befallen any of -A-'s enemies, I would be writing a similar article about them. Reality just isn't on -A-'s side at the moment. If they're willing to accept that, they might find this article quite useful.

LOSING MORE THAN SPACE

In charting the course of -A-'s descent, it's hard not to start by looking at their extraordinary loss of three regions (Delve, Querious, and Period Basis) earlier this year. When it began, the war was billed as a titanic struggle for the ages: the Southern Coalition led by -A- versus and the Northern Coalition led by Goonswarm, TEST, and Pandemic Legion. Instead of becoming the next Great War, however, the conflict led to the rapid disintegration of the Southern Coalition. -A- largely abandoned its allies, who had no choice but to hand over their space to the Northern Coalition.

When -A- put in a disappointing performance in the war and lost three regions, it was inevitable that -A-'s reputation would take a hit — and deservedly so. This is not to say that the extent of -A-'s loss of stature was inevitable. If the powers of nullsec are honest, they have all suffered defeats. Most of the older nullsec players have lost wars and vast territories. Yet when they lost space, they did not lose face, not to the degree -A- has. Why?

I believe alliances are judged less on their failures than on how they respond to their failures. It's the same principle in everyday life. If someone makes a mistake and apologizes, he shows that he is operating in the same reality as everyone else. If he does not acknowledge his mistake, he sends a signal to everyone else that he will continue to misbehave. Along these lines, what sets -A- apart from other alliances that have failed is that -A- is completely unwilling to admit, acknowledge, or accept that it has made mistakes. Not only does this handicap -A-'s ability to improve, it sends a message to the rest of EVE that -A- will continue its downward spiral.

Having diagnosed -A-'s central problem, let's take a closer look at some of the specific mistakes made by -A- and how other alliances can learn from them.

BUSINESS AS USUAL

When -A- was forced to cede three regions to its hated enemies, one might have expected some attempt by -A- to "turn the page". When an alliances suffers a big defeat, its leadership (even if they no longer really play EVE anymore) usually appears and makes a big speech about how things will be different/better due to a change of course.

Such announcements can be an embarrassment to the alliance leadership, but they are often a therapeutic source of catharsis for the alliance membership. If properly framed — and anchored in reality — they can give alliance members a reason to hope for a better future. They present an opportunity to make a clean break with the mistakes of the past.

After -A- experienced a crushing defeat in full view of the entire EVE community, one might have expected their leadership to respond. The rational approach would have been first to offer a full admission that -A- failed its members and its coalition partners. Next would come a thorough and thoughtful diagnosis of the reasons for -A-'s failure, followed by a plan to take -A- in a different direction.

No such announcement was forthcoming from -A-. Instead, they doubled down on their delusions of grandeur. -A- denied the reality that everyone else in EVE could see. -A- hit all the wrong marks, blaming their coalition partners, acting like the three regions they lost didn't matter, and reaffirming -A-'s awesomeness by relying on the "Green Killboard" fallacy.

It's not that everyone needed to see -A-'s leadership in a state of self-flagellation. But when an alliance acts like it's okay to lose huge tracts of space and be completely out-classed on the battlefield, it raises an obvious question: Doesn't that mean they will continue to lose space and battles?

THE MAKALU MESS

Most of the time, alliance propagandists are content to direct mockery and hatred toward enemy alliances in general, not toward individuals. On rare occasions, however, an EVE personality will become so notorious that he becomes a lightning rod for negative attention. Such was, and is, the case of -A-'s most famous fleet commander, Makalu Zarya.

Rumor has it that -A- thought so highly of Makalu's abilities as a fleet commander that they paid him tens of thousands of real-life euros to serve in the role full-time. As the war between the Northern and Southern Coalitions raged, it became clear that Makalu was a poor investment. Time after time, Makalu lost fleets to his enemies, even when his forces outnumbered the enemy. Worse, fleets led by Makalu proved unable to achieve their strategic objectives — and unable to prevent the Northern Coalition from achieving their own.

Yet Makalu probably would have amounted to little more than a footnote in the war, were it not for a Pandemic Legion spy who diligently captured and leaked audio recordings of Makalu's fleet comms. One after another, the recordings were released to the general public on SoundCloud. Makalu's rage, sarcasm, and frustration attracted widespread mockery and derision. Makalu — and by extension, -A- itself — became the laughingstock of EVE.

Incredibly, the hits kept coming. Makalu and -A-'s leaders were perfectly aware of the leaked recordings, but nothing was done to stop them. Even if they couldn't discover the identity of the spy, one would think they could have reigned in Makalu, to improve his conduct somehow. They never did.

The lesson here is that an alliance must be capable of understanding how others perceive it. No one member of an alliance is indispensable. The solution to the Makalu problem was obvious: Fire Makalu and replace him with someone competent. As with everything else, -A- simply denied that it had a problem. To this day, many in -A- insist that Makalu is a gifted fleet commander. This further alienates -A- from the rest of the community; it's as if -A- isn't playing the same EVE that the rest of us are.

THE AGE OF COALITIONS

In another article on this website, I wrote about what I called the "Age of Coalitions," nullsec's transition from alliance-based to coalition-based war and politics. These days, nothing really important in nullsec can be accomplished by one alliance acting alone. Basically everything of note is done by multiple alliances working together in coalitions. The fact that even giant alliances like Goonswarm and TEST see the need for coalition partners should be a wake-up call for everyone in nullsec.

The Age of Coalitions has greatly magnified -A-'s problem. In the old days an alliance like -A- might delude itself, but it could still function to some extent. Today no alliance can operate in total independence, and image is therefore more important. Because -A- is viewed from the outside as dysfunctional, it cannot form the coalition bonds it needs in order to achieve its goals.

-A-'s self-deception is also problematic for the few relationships it does possess. After the resounding defeats -A- suffered this year the outside world expects -A- to be humble — to adjust to its new, limited role in nullsec. -A- hasn't done so. On the contrary, -A- only became more arrogant. Makalu himself infamously scolded members of Red Alliance, telling them that they were not allowed to "talk back to -A-."

Granted, it would be almost complimentary to say that Red Alliance is a shell of its former self. However, it's difficult enough to stomach condescension from a powerful, successful alliance. That same level of condescension from a disgraced, deflated alliance like -A- is intolerable to any alliance, no matter how small. Members of -A- wince each time they read the "-A- is shit" meme, but they treat their own allies little better.

HOW CAN -A- TURN THINGS AROUND?

-A- will never again reclaim the power and stature it once enjoyed. The best it can hope for is a managed decline as coalitions led by Goonswarm and TEST grow in influence. Nevertheless, -A- can restore some of its dignity by making a few major adjustments.

First, -A- must make a genuine effort to "turn the page" on its recent troubles. As I described above, -A-'s leaders must own up to their mistakes in a comprehensive, unflinching manner. Some of -A-'s leadership will need to step down so that others can step up. As with their mistake of not firing Makalu during the SoCo/NoCo war, keeping ineffective leaders in place prevents skilled, lower-ranking leaders from taking command.

-A-'s attitude also needs to change. The days when they could command a large chunk of nullsec are over. They should embrace the Age of Coalitions by building and rebuilding relationships with other Southern powers on a basis of mutual respect.

Doing all of these things would go a long way toward salvaging -A-. But that raises the question: Is it worth the effort?

The answer is "probably not." An alliance's reputation can only take so much damage before the harm becomes irreparable. Americans say a car is "totalled" when its value is less than the cost to repair it. That's the situation -A- now finds itself in.

So what should -A-'s membership do?

The best move would be to create a new alliance with a new name and identity. In EVE, starting from scratch is the ultimate gesture of closing the book on past problems and mistakes. In an alliance of -A-'s size, there are doubtless many reasonable, talented members who would like to take things in a new direction. The only problem is that their current leadership is unable or unwilling to go there.

Splitting from an alliance is always a tricky thing, because no one wants to be perceived as disloyal. In a situation like -A-'s, creating a spin-off alliance is much more practical, because -A-'s reputation has fallen so far; departing -A- wouldn't make anyone look any worse than they already do.

For members of -A-, it may feel like a splash of cold water in the face to read some of the things I have written here. It shouldn't be. Every alliance in EVE has made mistakes and suffered defeats in its lifetime. A quick review of the history of (for example) Goonswarm reveals that it's quite possible to get knocked down and get back up. In EVE, the potential for an organization to reinvent itself and correct its mistakes is almost limitless. But it does require that an alliance's leadership be willing to face its harsh realities instead of living in denial.

James 315
MinerBumping.com

 

James 315 has a distinguished history of combat in nullsec, mostly fighting against the Band of Brothers alliance, which was a bad alliance. Recently he has moved to highsec, where he currently serves as Father of the New Order and Saviour of Highsec