The War "Everyone" Wanted

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Nice to have an ~impartial~ look at the war from an outsider for a change from people "spinning like a tornado". The issues you bring up are nothing new and CCP can't really be blamed for coming up with a botched system that tries to please everyone when that is impossible. I agree with what you have said in the article however, well written.
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"I simply refer to it as the War "Everyone" Wanted. And by everyone, I mean those that have a bad case of Goon paranoia. "Oh yeah, totally impartial.
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-A-..perhaps the most historically resilient alliance in Eve, following large scale defeat, got station camped out existence. Solar Fleet lost all of it's space, and not a member. CVA...the unlikeliest of care bear survivors continue to hold their space. Raiden was largely considered a strong and capable alliance and disappeared overnight. The Dot-Rex sov recovery that just happened was on a scale that has never been seen before. If you would have asked most people in May whether Black Legion was going to be paid off by the CFC and then Revenant-Gate.....I think the answer would have been "lol".No one knows what the fuck is going to happen tomorrow in Eve.
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~impartial~
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" Whoever controls the richest moon regions for any significant length of time will be nigh-untouchable."Given how much isk you can make from renting, this is patently untrue. That's ESPECIALLY true seeing as renting can extract its full value now, while R64s are a long way from that. Take the famous "TESTagram" for example, in Deklein - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/... If Goonwaffe were so inclined, we could rent that constellation (the 5 systems in the star, plus WUZ and N2IS) for nearly 50 billion isk a month.Think about that. Around twenty five R64s of value, given their current prices, from just seven systems.
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Pray tell how providence are care bears? It looks like the other power blocs shelter more carebears than prov with their renter empires, blued up friends and much more lucrative deep null sec space. TEST is stupidly huge and is pulling poor turnout for all those members, maybe they are more carebear than provi?
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Please this too is spin, layered with spin and coated with spin. Everyone one of the "Big Guys of Null" complaints is rehashed in this one article sprinkled in a thin veil of an outsider's opinion piece.People talked about a thunder-dome prior to fanfest and it got shot down but fanfest happened. People met, drank, and made plans. What happens after fanfest? We get apublic access channel's attempt at a crappy reality show. We are eating it up like it's the best shit we ever had and we can't get enough of it... like chicken and waffles. The "Truman Show"-esque bubble is not as opaque as some of you think but congrats on keeping the masses enthralled and getting those re-subs.
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Farms and Fields has the advantage that it lets CCP give sov as a prize to those who actively use the space, rather than having to have any kind of capture the flag system.In my mind that is the main benefit of it.
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Isn't the game always going to be broken in some way? I think it's impossible not to. Also war and peace is cyclic by nature. We had war, we had a giant blue peace, and now we have war again. Either on its own is boring without prospect of the other. The CCP gods watch the wasps, if the nest goes to sleep they give it a kick, the wasps erupt into violence, and everyone is happy. Isn't this how it's meant to be?- occasionally CCP drops the wasps and they sting CCP in the monacle, or on the amazon gift list
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People tend to read carebear as ratter/miner, when it means pilots refusing to take risks.Opening your space to every non-red pilot while still maintaining some activity requires some balls, I'd say.
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If you're going to accuse someone of misrepresenting reality (either directly, or with tildes), please offer your competing interpretation. It's annoying that the majority of that class of comments amounts to nothing more than: "if you're not against them, you support them."You can, in fact, be neutral, and still see evidence of what Mr. Mauser called "Goon paranoia." I'm seeing it right here.
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Assuming you read the article, you should be able to comprehend that this piece has nothing to do with who is winning the war. His being partial to either side is irrelevant.
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As to conflict drivers, this article is lending to the idea of having a rotation or random spawning of moon materials, or at the very least a decay/regen mechanic put in place. Not that I agree with it, but it's just an observation.If you want to shift forces around and create these kind of fights all over the place, the best way to accomplish that is most likely not having those conflict diamonds stagnant in static areas.
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So its biased towards...? I personally can't tell. Is that Goons being paranoid or people being paranoid about Goons?
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You never know, that might be the initial design. A periodic pruning so to speak. Help with evolution or whatever.
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Wars reshape null sec over and over.The weak disband.The strong gets stronger.My enemy becomes a friend.My Friend becomes an enemy.The only things that do not change is that null sec needs massive amounts of isk to support war.And CCP should give these enity's the options to do so.Once we have secured Fountain and start filling the war chest it may take many years for oponents to start a new one as they need not only the numbers but also the isk to support long drawn out wars.After this war it may take an eternity to see us CFC being on theatened again.Did we ever came close to lose a war yet ?All around us we have seen coaltions rise and fall but none come knocking on our doors (mostly due to OTEC)So it may change and it may not who can tell :) ?Even AAA is rebuilding and after Fountain who knows what they will do, they want space soon enough, they will found new ally's and i am sure they learned that arrogance can be good, but it can also be your downfall.Solar + AAA + DoD + more russians can be a formidable oponent for any coaltions.And iam sure one day the Russians will bury their Axe and sit around the table to make things right again.So you see, Eve Null - Sec can never be predicted :)You can only prepare yourself for the next big war and hope your warcrest and FC's and line members love you and dont turn against you when this hits the fan.Still a good read Incidir :)
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Well, beyond Goons the only ones that are advocating the war (that aren't directly affected) are those who always need to speak about them. Be hard not to acknowledge that. (edit- oops meant for SuddenCommonSense)
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CCP real life EVE war mongers.
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Confirming the pita it is to get even a bomber through Providence when provi is midway through your route.
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Loving it. Login in every day or night depending what shift. Thus shoot everyone and everybody. Sod maths and shitty taxes. More campaigns more drama.
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Right, but go too far and you end up having "Ratting and Mining CTAs" to pay for your space. Part of the appeal about EVE is being able to belong to a large coalition and fight to defend it but not have your wallet affected needlessly (other than the money needed to maintain your subscription and the ships that you lose.)There's no way I would ever go back to ratting.
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tl;dr War Never Changes?
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You're so paranoid about anything being spin that you're seeing it everywhere, are you going to start a witch hunt soon?
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actually my friend, alot of the alliance who joined the conflict on test side joined out of some grudge against goons, or some feeling that they must be stopped while they are some what weakened...i dont know if i am saying it right but i think saying "i mean those that have a bad case of goon paranoia" might be a bit strong worded. goons started the war, thats undisputed....and most of tests allies came down to fountain to stop goons from once again reigning supreme in eve on a mountain of moon goo.i personally came down to fountain to fight goons because all my friends did. 10% tidi lag fests are gay tho...missing the peaceful new eden and black ops hot drops.
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actually my friend, alot of the alliance who joined the conflict on test side joined out of some grudge against goons, or some feeling that they must be stopped while they are some what weakened...i dont know if i am saying it right but i think saying "i mean those that have a bad case of goon paranoia" might be a bit strong worded. goons started the war, thats undisputed....and most of tests allies came down to fountain to stop goons from once again reigning supreme in eve on a mountain of moon goo or because they are on the "grrr goons" kick.i mean you have to admit goons have done an amazing job becoming just as hated or even more hated as BoB seems(ed) to have be (been)...what ever tense you want that ini personally came down to fountain to fight goons because all my friends did. 10% tidi lag fests are gay tho...missing the peaceful new eden and black ops hot drops.
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The twist at the end will be that he is the one spinning.
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i personally think fixing any sort of income issue in eve corps, alliance's, and sure why not...coalitions is going to be pretty impossible.corps pay their members to do work. in real life i mean but....in eve....members pay corp taxes and do work (gud fites and pos tending, logistics....and endless listening to edgy FC's raging about loki links) just saying...if i want to fly a super in big fights, i have to make the isk to get one...fact...i am sure every one of u who reads this goes to work and uses work equipment to do your jobs...if your a construction worker i mean u don't drive your bucket loader to work.i am not horribly educated on the way corporations work together in the real world. all i have done with my life is deploy and get shot at a bunch. but i am SURE that the corps would be paying $$ up to the leaders of the organization to accomplish goals and what not. which is sort of what happens in eve.of course as a line member grunt, if i didnt have to rat to get my naxt cta battleship or cloaky scanning tengu for black ops....what ever would i do in eve? its a broken system and i doubt there is a fix.
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Make your corp buy your CTA ship.Their doctrine, their bill.Optional ships/fits should be your responsibility. Most alliances, who don't give out ships, tend to have beautiful contracts set to help shoulder the market cost.
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Taxes can be seen as a tithe to the sov you enjoy also though. I'd rather have taxes come out of my ratting than to have a sov bill to my corp (yeah no to that lol).
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that wont work on a large scale in the current game. my personal hanger of war gear is like 3.5 bil on just my sub cap alt...then add the triage alt, with his archon, chimera, and moros you just hit another 7-8 billion isk. THEN add in the super carrier. 30 billion isk just to kit little old me out for a fountain war. there are 66 dudes in my corp (including alts i dont know how many real people we have these days) point is...even if it was 20 real life players, there is no way the corp wallet could sustain 30-40 billion each player to sort out their cta ships.i guess a super would be a optional ship...but u still run into the same problem with 6-8 bil each player.
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Well Grunt, you guys did come very close to disbanding... ooh wait you did. Luckily back in the day MM and the Northern Coalition helped find the GSF a new home. Which then was repaid back by not support MM in their hour of need.Came close to losing? You lost delve, and had to completely reform after the Alliance was disbanded by a spy. Now you have reformed.
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Well, there is a difference with caps. I mean sure, few bil for a CTA can be harsh... but then you would be changing your mentality as a corp in that regard, since anyone who would be flying that caliber of a ship with such a small entity would be above the norm anyways (and should have some sort of isk assistance in place anyways).I mean, 66 pilots, and you're talking about fielding caps and super caps. That's a lot of isk for a sub 100 corp. A LOT. Sounds highly specialized.Even looking at a t3 fleet with those numbers can be costly.
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+1 not on the pro goon stand but on the invariably unpredictable nature of null which can leave people amazed :)
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I lace my hat on (its made of tinfoil) and now stare at my boss who i rate is trying to gank me, for a reaction to prove i am not working
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thats just your standard set up for a N3 duder tho...i mean rokh, loki, proteus, stealth bomber. i do need to edit the 3.5 bil number tho. i forgot to subtract my black ops BS. bit its still like 2 billion isk. assuming 5 members out of my "20ish" members cant fly the battleships and t3's yet that would still be in the range of 15 bil for us to fund ourselves into the cta ships.also, i spent some time in 4s, a very well off CFC corp in Razor. good dudes by the way. they had a WONDERFUL ship acquisition program going on. and i helped it work a few times with my jump freighter. but still i paying the corp for my ship. when i left 4s to go inactive i was able to sell the corp back all my ships for the isk i paid for them....it was more like an investment i suppose since i got all my isk back...however i still was required to front that 900 mil i think it was..for the ships i ended up getting.
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"Makalu did a swan dive into that particular patch of boulders"Bliss!
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Well, before we go down a very specific road to argue a generalization... keep in mind that when you fly those diamond encrusted chariots... you aren't doing so to lose them.We aren't talking about flying caps like it was a fleet of caracals to bother some FW pilots.There will be contrary situations and what not, but in the end... it's a matter of being like any other line member. If you want to be above and beyond the norm, you will have to act like it.I love flying pilgrims for instance. They are awesome. I also really like flying drakes and ravens. But I'm not going to fly a pilgrim into an arbitrator fleet (or any cta'd t1 cruiser doctrine) just like I'm not going to go ratting in a navy issue caldari ship when the t1 variation is perfectly fine (and quite a bit cheaper).If I can fly battleships and fly say the Armageddon... I'm not going to let a corp CTA me into a Bhaalgorn and insist I buy the ship as well. (or Nightmare for that matter).That's just silly.
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We will just ignore the fact that the AFK cloaky isn't playing the game, something CCP has addressed elsewhere quite aggressively. I would like to see CCP address that mechanic. Having active cloakies in system is fine.
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Reading a lot of these comments it seem like most people didn't read the article properly or just don't understand it.
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They had to milk the cow as long as possible. Now that the Technetium tits are dry, the cow has been sold for slaughter.Lol
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that would cause a mass quit unless they significantly revamp the moon scanning mechanics, because moon scanning is fucking terrible and no one wants to do it.
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This is a good article and I feel u should be compensated a bit more than usual for your efforts. That said I disagree that "The power of the individual to make ISK out in 0.0 is not that great." It requires less effort to generate the isk/hr achievable (or at least that I have achieved) in Null than say WH space (which was the isk pot when I lived in lowsec). Further, since living in null, i can generate in excess of what I earned in WH or doing L4-5 Missions. Current average is 210isk/hr before tax on two ships, and I ain't goin into great effort to do so. Add in a salvager and this reduces to 180isk/hr before tax but then I add a figure of around 80mil of salvage (and it's tax free! tax is roughly 15%)I don't know if i'm on the cutting edge of isk/hr, so i relegate myself as a simple null grunt who has the same skills and opportunities to generate isk as his fellow nullsecers. Even if people are earning less than myself, they still should be on 80-100mil/hr. And as we say in nullsec... "Lowsec scares me". It is sooo much busier, hostile/neutral wise than null.Now I famously agree with your comment about CCP changing things just to destabilise power structures in EVE. I personally feel, that if peace is achieved than CCP should NOT introduce systematic (Eve online wide) changes that should disrupt that peace. Rather, peace should be broken and empires should fall based on Idiosyncratic (related to the individual or group) issues. I consider, the Roman empire's growth and eventual downfall. The short of it is, It grew to a massive size but eventually started suffering internal issues. This left it vulnerable to the barbarians (Goths, etc) who delivered the killing blow to an empire that suffered from internal issues. Peace allows massive empires to form, but it also makes people too comfortable in their situation and become complacent. Let empires unravel themselves, because they will. Good and great leaders rise... eventually a great empire's great leaders will die (or in our case, retire) and then a time of testing shall come when the new leadership takes the wheel.
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Somebody afk while docked in a station isn't playing the game either.For further reading on the subject (I've discussed this same thing far too many times), have a look here: http://themittani.com/features...
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Moons ultimately caused the war, but leadership issues caused the hate.
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CCP should just shuffle resources with every expansion. War forever or nobody will care anymore and just hope it's their territory the next go around.
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"Moon goo needs to be coupled with other equally lucrative sources as well" Ok stop right there, this is just another "nullsec should get all the attention and fixes and hey give them more income generating resources too while you are at it" post, so no wonder it is posted here at Mittani.com. WH dweller yeah, right, you are an alt for a Null dweller who believes they should get everything worth playing for.Other parts of the game desperately needs some love and am tired of hearing about nullsec all day long. It IS time for WH to get some love. It IS time for hisec to get some new content. It IS time for lowsec to have some better mechanics to draw more people. Null is fine fighting over moon goo for awhile, after which CPP should break up the Moongoo resources out of just one place, that is the only thing I agree with, one dominant alliance like goonswarm has been with Tech make things dull, dull, dull with such obvious win every time alliances.
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Both.
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I cloak my way through low sec to raid hacking and relic sites, andI'm pretty vulnerable to attack by other cloaked ships or even standard combat vessels as I grind through the mini game.
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For real, all goes around CCP's Plex sale needs. Just a fool thinks it's about the player content.And, yeah, long time proven, CCP is work averse.
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Good Article. I don't entirely agree with the assertion that the article is a result of CCP meddling however. To be honest, the war has been coming for quite some time. S2N and NC. have been hostile to goons for quite a while. Keep in mind that S2N has ties all the way back to IT, and thus back to BoB. It has a lot of people who love fighting goons. N3's main purpose as a coalition entity is to oppose goons.The moon re-balance was the spark. Claiming that it was CCP who caused the war is like claiming that the assassination of Franz Ferdinand is what caused the first world war. You would be right, but only to a point.Long story short, N3 has been itching to go to war with goons for some time. Not a war like tribute, a real, all out war where each side has a good chance of winning. Engineering it so that TEST is involved on N3's side was a terrible calculation by goon leadership, and PL just keeps things from getting too out of hand.
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T2 material requirements would change, but not moon compositions. T2 producers would probably hate it, though.
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I agree. People say there are no more "Great Wars" but the Great War was only great because it saw the demise of a seemingly indestructible BoB who had been around for 4+ years and dominated the landscape.Many people would have never envisaged a BoB-less Eve Online. But here we are.I started playing in 2006, and then went on hiatus between 2008-2013 and when I came back, suddenly BoB were no more. Incredible!
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Yeah, CCP totally shouldn't be trying to make any money out of this gameplay experience that they're providing at significant infrastructure and personnel cost. That would be CRAZY!
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Respectfully, I disagree. Provi holders all have defense fleets active pretty much 24/7. If one wants to pvp in those fleets, one can do so, as border systems such as KBP7-G have a round the clock red presence and there's roaming fleets around most of the time. Also, do not forget that Provi region was attacked before - NC. and Evoke were hitting CVA and allies hard in 2010, but constant harassment, willingness to sacrifice entire fleets and overall resilience made holding Providence pretty much unsustainable - in the end, Evoke and NC. chose diplomacy over warfare to end the conflict and return the zone to Provi holders. In the end, as you say, nobody really wants Provi to change, because it's constantly providing fun for all, be it pvpers or bears alike. And frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way :)
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Except there's no way the slow-grinding engine of war could keep up with the moving moons. So why bother? Just wait, and the other guys' moons will decay, and yours will eventually respawn.Rotation/decay mechanics mean there's no reason to covet thy neighbor's moons - all you have to do is wait.
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Anyone afk cloaking is no threat: they are afk.Anyone not afk and cloaking is playing the game as it should be played.There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
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MM and the NC high council had nothing to do with Goonswarm finding a couch in the north, in fact many were opposed to it, It was all TCF, as a nod back to the old RedSwarmFederation days. I was there when this all went down.
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If NC. really wanted your fucking space you would be sitting there with your lunch in your lap on the curb wondering where you were at for the last 48 hours with a scar where your kidney used to be, missing your keys.CVA runs tight interference against roaming gangs that it is sure it can blow up with the combined use of its JB network, cyno jammers, and intel channels. Taking 10 man roaming gangs into Providence is a lot harder than it used to be. You guys are even using actual BS doctrines now, which is fantastic. I don't intend to detract from your accomplishments, but if you think your current level of pvp organization is a serious obstacle to an actual pvp alliance half your size, that really wants to take your space and make it their home, then your are drinking some fucking awesome koolaid or suffering from some severe group think.The main advantage you going for you is that the sheer number of station timers that would be required to grind your space is staggering, and more of a testament to CVA's carebearing than to it's military. Furthermore long periods of time in the last two years where PL sits around looking for capitals to kill not far from Providence is also a huge benefit in relation to those timers.The NC./Evoke and -A-/Ushra Khan situation was a lot more complicated than...NC. wanted our space, and we stopped them. There were alot of other factors involved in their decision to not continue the campaign. ^.^So a counter question is...is it your determination to keep your ratting space and RP heritage like a hungry Honey Badger by moving into hisec one jump away and harassing the fuck out of people until they decide your space with shit moons isn't worth keeping, and would be adversaries knowing that decide to forgo stabbing themselves in the face, and the sheer number of care-bear powered outposts in Provi, or is it the pilot skill, numbers, doctrines, and outstanding FCs that fought off the enemy on the field?CVA is a bear alliance. Everyone knows this. Move on. Don't be insulted by it. Be proud of what you are.
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Yeah, I more or less agree with that. I must admit, I hastily read your initial reply, which led to some needless misconception.I concur that the primary role of Provi block is to provide a shield to ratting and/or industry in the region. What I wanted to say was that because of how NRDS works, it attracts small and medium scale pvp 24/7, followed by defensive fleets 24/7. As a result of that, some of us actually moved to Provi with the sole purpose of fighting in the defense fleets.That said, I do agree with your description and trust me, I'm not insulted in any way. I know very well that I'm a bear by heart. But poke at me long enough and... >:)
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- no. Carebears include care. Meaning that it's composed of risk adverse players. There is risk adverse pvp (see ganglinks characters in T1 frig in FW for example). There is risky pve (and ratting in a region where neutrals are free to come, move around and dock IS risky).- no. They are players with a different opinion on how to enjoy themselves. And carebears.- you are contradicting yourself. It's a game mechanic since you can open/close your space (at least the stations). CVA is one of the few groups opening theirs. That's risky if you are a ratter/miner (and most of CVA players are) because it fills your systems with neutrals you can't trust while you rat.
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Exactly, Andski.
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Here is something that will cook your noodle:The people most paranoid about Goons are actually Goons themselves.Think about it.
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ummm, not if you can't dock there.
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100% safe you say? I kill cloaky ships all the time. I've had cloaky ships killed by clever traps. Anybody who has any experience and competence with actually trying to fly or catch cloaky ships knows that cloaking does not mean you're 100% safe.Seriously, how have you missed the message to HTFU?!?
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You've already got the free intel of local telling you exactly who's in system and you want MORE free intel? Privileged much? HTFU.
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This is indeed true, test were beating their chest looking to fight cfc, Goons ignored them and then pounced when they were looking weak and alone, after the pounding they got from PL, CFC and NC. goons thought they were easy pickings, what a surprise to everyone that test are still going 5 weeks later, they are still broke still fighting back and CFC are still being slowed down to a crawl.+1 for TEST being terrible and broke and still holding there own, all be it with a nice bit of back up now, but still, you have to give them some credit for still being in the race atleast.
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No, I want to play this game against people or against the environment, not against someone's idle PC and empty chair. That is not too much to ask and does not require anyone to harden the fuck up.
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In the context of AFK cloaking as you alluded to in the opening line, being "Yes it is. That doesn't make it a bad thing. I find it tiresome that people playing EVE in nullsec who whine about a single cloaky in "their" system have somehow missed the message to HTFU."The emphasis on "their" system would strongly suggest you refer to an AFK player docked in a station for which I would have docking rights. Thus your point about not being able to dock is rubbish.
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The emphasis on "their" system was more about people thinking that a claim of sov grants them some sort of claim over what people can do in a system. The number of suggestions for "solutions" to the "problem" of AFK cloaking including sov modules that can decloak all ships in a system and other such nonsense is ridiculous.Thus, my point about not being able to dock is entirely valid. vOv
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If they're AFK, they won't be interacting with you in any way though, will they?
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Which is were you are wrong, they are interacting with me by affecting my decision making as I cannot identify if they are AFK or not.
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What does it really matter if they are AFK or not? You have the information that they are there, so you can take actions to minimise their ability to affect you (and no, I don't mean docking up).A cloaky ship *might* have an active pilot flying it, a blue character *might* be an awoxer, and a director in the alliance holder corp *might* be a spy that's about to disband your alliance and leave all your stuff locked in there.You have two choices: you can worry about that all the time and never do anything because of the possibility that something bad might happen, or you can consider what might happen and plan to mitigate the risks and possibly even turn the tables on anybody who might be out to get you.I know which I find a more interesting gameplay scenario.
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That's right, my point covers people who are roaming, not that one single part of a system that you were trying to limit the discussion to (stations).My point is relevant only to people who are are roaming, but that just happens to be the main way people get to "your" system to attempt to shoot you.Let me make it absolutely clear - if you fly around my sov space looking for a fight and I'm logged in and sitting in station there is very little functional difference between me being there and cloaked in space from your perspective. That applies whether I am afk or not.My point is this: if your issue is "the fact that the AFK cloaky isn't playing the game", do you support dealing any scenario where somebody "isn't playing the game" in the same way? Then the big question is: what makes for more interesting gameplay choices? Eliminating the mere possibility that a cloaking ship might be AFK certainly doesn't.

Truth, it has been said, is the first casualty of war.

- Phillip Snowden

I have been watching the Fountain conflict from the sidelines, sipping fruity drinks while quite comfy on my little island in W-space. Propaganda CEO updates and State of the Alliance speeches aside, you can be assured that Dotlan never lies. When anyone goes making bold statements about what has happened when, you can check facts for yourself. Don't fall prey to paranoia or sloppy thinking and memes.

With the war raging in Fountain for a little more than a month, the violent dissolution of the once lucrative OTEC partnership has come as the result of CCP's shell game involving moon resources. The Technetium bottleneck is a thing of the past, and the cartel controlling its supply in the market is now equally defunct. The once comfortably plump and content overlords of OTEC are doing what was deemed unthinkable just a few short months ago; they are fighting each other fang and claw to control moons that, at one time, were deemed next to valueless and definitely not worth fighting over. Is this really the best way to drive conflict? Will CCP simply shuffle moons every time peace breaks out?

From my perspective, the current Fountain conflict had its foundation long ago. Last year, power in the west consolidated into two blocs: the Clusterfuck Coalition and the Honeybadger Coalition. The Russians and numerous non-aligned groups in the east and southeast did not constitute a threat to either the CFC or HBC, and both were on relatively friendly terms with TEST Alliance having a long-standing and largely positive relationship with Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. Nobody in the east or southeast would have stood a chance against either the CFC or HBC. With relationships strong between the two, anyone bold enough to strike at either of them would have been ground to dust.

Montolio — leader of the Honey Badger Coalition — went looking for a war with the CFC last year, but he was overruled by his board of directors. Nullsec had gotten a bit dull with the OTEC agreement. Not to say that there weren't conflicts going on, but there wasn't anything major, and Monty wanted a fight. Wars are what keep people interested in playing Eve (That and good expansions like Odyssey). Despite Montolio's saber rattling, OTEC was simply too profitable to risk losing the stakes the HBC had. Excuses were made to the effect that large scale conflict was unattractive due to the “grindy” nature of the outdated Dominion-era sovereignty mechanics. Ultimately, Montolio stepped down from leadership, and the HBC began to come apart at the seams. At the core, neither the CFC or HBC wanted to threaten that income source. It was needed to keep the coalitions holding sovereignty and paying for generous social entitlements for the rank and file. They had to milk the cow as long as possible. Now that the Technetium tits are dry, the cow has been sold for slaughter.

Quite obviously, the old tune of “War is bad, mmkay?” has changed. Odyssey has left the previous OTEC members looking for alternatives to Technetium to provide for the living standards their comrades have grown accustomed to. Except for TEST, who suddenly found themselves sitting on the most profitable real estate in New Eden.

Those previous reasons to avoid conflict ring hollow now. The friendship and camaraderie that TEST Alliance and Goonswarm once shared is in shambles. The Fountain conflict resembles something more akin to a civil war between former allies; brothers taking up arms against one another, former loyalties now awash in wrecks and pod goo. Some have taken to calling it another “Great War”, I simply refer to it as the War "Everyone" Wanted. And by everyone, I mean those that have a bad case of Goon paranoia. 

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Propaganda and politics go hand in hand with a war on this scale. Make no mistake, the digital primate dominance games are just getting started. With all the posturing and meme generation, there is a strange mental undercurrent prevalent on forum posting and Reddit comments from both sides. FCs will slip up, lose their cool, make a right arse of themselves, and someone will be there to capture the moment for eternity. Makalu did a swan dive into that particular patch of boulders with his infamous “You don’t talk back to -A-!” debacle back when the HBC was pummeling the south into submission.

Wading through that morass of jumbled and directionless forum posts, conspiratorial article commentary, and Reddit upvote battles leaves me with a slight taste of vomit in the back of my throat. There's some seriously sloppy thinking going on and it's positively embarrassing.

The idea is that if either the CFC or NPT (N3/PL/TEST shortened to something more manageable without sounding crass or overly clever) get walloped and lose all their space, that they’ll shrivel up and die, never to be seen from again. The Blognuts, Tabloid Papparazzi, and Hisec Forum Screech Owls would be beside themselves with glee if that happened. If TEST or Goons are gone, then the Renter Lords can slither back out from under their rocks and return null to the oppressive and shitty fiefdom that Band of Brothers was infamous for.

TEST turning Tyrannosaur and going extinct is about as likely as a naked man killing off a hive of Asian Giant Hornets armed with a fly swatter. Goons aren’t going to failcascade in the event of a military defeat either. Both ideas are pants-on-head stupid.

Seriously, if you think that’ll happen, you need to get a grip.

It is extremely unlikely that TEST Alliance will disappear completely if defeated. The same could be said of Goonswarm. Both have well-established cultures, and primarily draw their recruitment from outside of Eve Online. Each would inevitably regroup at some point and take sov back and/or seek revenge against the other for being ousted. That would likely lead to another “great” war, and if Dominion mechanics are still around, a shitty structure mudslog sporting blueballs the size of a Greyhound bus.

At the end of the conflict, though, nothing would really change. Unless CCP builds better conflict drivers, this war's sunset will likely leave us in the same situation as before, but with reshuffled sov.

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