The State of The South

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"The south shall rise again!". *insert southern accent here
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Long live the HBC.
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Winter is coming, and so are lots of changes that will affect everyone. It is anyone's guess on what these changes will do to the super alliances.
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Ex-TJA member... from most of our POVs, Montolio kinda screwed us over. Either we were reset by HBC or we moved all our shit to Impass. Kinda lame...
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Xfile, our Alliance leader told us he had only a few hours to make the decision, so it seems like we all got played.
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-A- isn't slowly dying...our fleet numbers have been picking up recently. Propaganda post
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Wow deleting comments, this site is gold. Fuck you
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Because RMT Horus.
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I think the changes that will impact coalitions are actually slated for the summer expansion of 2013.
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-A-'s re-balanced T1 cruisers will blot out the sun.
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And just what has -a- done with these numbers? Nothing at all as far as I can see. -a- has abandoned Stain and is roaming other regions in search of easy kills. They're just not relevant anymore, especially in the south which is what the author is getting at. Prove me wrong though if you can and show me some activity -a- has done in the south in the last week. I doubt there's anything though.
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Very narrow observation from HBC point of view. You've reported pretty much nothing about Solar anywhere on the site let alone in this article, who have been fighting non-stop with NC., Nulli Secunda and Red Alliance for the last 2 months. Come on, get some reporters on the scene!
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N3 is actually quite a powerful coalition with one of the larger capital ship fleets in-game. They have lost a few engagements in the north due to inferior numbers, but they continue to grind the south. The south has had quite a few good fights but it will be interesting to see what happens once NC. joins their fellow alliances in the south. Currently, N3 is divided with NC. up north and the rest in the south.NC. is the power bloc in the Coalition with Nulli in a close second. The Kadeshi sporting their own supers and Nexus throwing out a few capitals of their own. A few other new members such as Echoes of Nowhere have also shown capital support so the overall power of this particular bloc has yet to be seen in my opinion.I look forward to the end of N3's sov grind and the decisions they make in which direction to take. I'm guessin the NIP with HBC will hold until the Solar issue has been resolved. Then it's anyone's guess on what will happen. N3 vs HBC? N3 vs NCC?
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It's doubtful they'll do anything at all to shake up sov warfare. Sure smaller alliances will be able to field large fleets of cheap cruisers, but these super alliances you speak of will be able to do this also. Bigger changes that would really shake things up would be anything that directly affects how sov works and functions, or perhaps industry changes related to moon mining or something like that.
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That's probably due to a lack of writers stepping up from the Solar. I'd love to see some writers too contributing stuff here. Too bad most of them only speak Russian.
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This has happened for the last 3 years dude, AAA goes and roams around eve then takes everything back in the late winter. I don't have anything to prove to you, only time will show you truth faggot.
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Tackle 6 PL supers, kill 2 pl carrier, kill a few Test drake fleets with 0 losses, have test usually running away from out zealots, including bridging over us to run to fountain only to turn around half way and get ownedzoned on the way back. The real question is what has TEST done to be relevant? They have relied on big brother to take the south, and PL is literally holding the HBC together, if you don't think so you should see how fleets preform without them leading it.
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We've had a 100% increase! We've doubled participation! Sure, we've just gone from 1 to 2 but...
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BUT RMY BAKI YUKU IS OK?
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Yep, killing two carriers and a drake fleet outside of the south (if that is the one you're talking about, not sure) totally makes up for abandoning allies and space in the south. As for the claim that PL leadership is running everything in the HBC, well, that's just wrong. PL FC's do lead a majority of the coalition fleets and it is hard to find FCs in TEST, or the rest of eve for that matter, that can match them. I'm guessing these FC's are just taking a break and letting some junior FCs step up and become more experienced, which would involve losing a fleet or two here or there. It's all a learning experience.The HBC is still in the south and likely will be if all -a- and whatever friends they have left can only manage to down two carriers and the occasional drake fleet led by a junior FC.As far as TEST being relevant this month, well, I can't really argue there. There's nothing relevant about invading an ass end of nowhere region like Esoteria. Can't be making headlines every month though.
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Yeah truesay, though TM should realise that not everyone with Solar speaks russian alone. Plenty of english speakers who'd be happy to report. I'll even step up for the low fee of 5bil :)
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Do enough articles and you could make 5bil. I believe this site does have some rewards program for posting articles. I would love to see more stuff from the primarily Russian blocs.
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Yeah would be sweet to metagame by reporting/writing. I do alliance logos/websites as it is and it's good money :) You'd have to be really excellent to get a spot here though eh.. sometimes I beat on TM for what I feel is propaganda but at the end of the day they have great writers.
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-A- will have to take Sov away from both HBC and N3. Both are more powerful than -A- at this point and to think otherwise is dilusion. You can complain and whine about the blob all you want, but at the end of the day. It's the blob that controls the sov.-A- has a few options available to them at this point.A) Continue to live in NPC space and guirilla their way to green killboardsB) Create their own coalition of allies and blob the blobsC) Join an existing Coalition and obtain designated spaceI seriously don't see -A- taking anything from HBC nor N3
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Well you say "late winter". So that gives you, what? 8 weeks? I'd be interested to see your proposed timescale for that working out, especially as Stain Empire aren't going to come and bail you out this time. Or anyone else, come to that.
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Judging from the comments that weren't deleted, yours must have been a doozy.
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Yeah another propaganda piece, I expect better from the site, not stuff like this that makes evenew24 look non-biased...- A's fleet numbers have doubled from 30-40ish in the 4-0 dark days, to 70ish in Eu/US roam fleets. Last CTA fleet pulled 150. All -A- not padded by strange pets. I think better *can* be done, it'll be interesting to see if they will.- Catch/Stain is pretty dead, -A- 50-75 man gangs fly through there every night and its hard to pull a fight. In Eu TZ Nulli will 911 Test for help when -A- fleets come through.- A reinforcement of a NCDoT Tech moon in Geminate pulled around 800 guys from all the major coatlions (hbc, n3, cfc) to help NCDoT. Mildly amusing.- Solar continues to grind +tech in Geminate with their Mael fleets, while using whelp canes in a "have fun" defense of Insmother. They're having decent success in both.The future is a tough call. - N3 will NIP up and end up blueing up HBC in all likely hood. - Curse Coaltion will take Scalding/Insmother (as Solar seems to have no strong desire to hold them).The questions are will they than move against Solar in the Drone regions? Does anyone *really* want them, or e-peen reasons enough?-A- will start reinforcing Catch sooner or later as its uninhabited.- Sister Bliss will continue running the static plex in 3GD6-8 24/7I think the chance of a CFC - HBC conflict is 0. Tests PayPal renting in Fountain is going well. Mittani leads the strongest coalition in game in the CFC, in the best regions in the game. No reason to rock the boat.
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would be nice to see an objective view on things for once. all this test/PL propaganda, serioulsy who still believes that.
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Content is taken on its own merit and basic competency is all that's really required. It might look high standard, but that's generally because there are decent editors and a good amount of intelligent content; it's not an exclusive club or anything, everyone (especially non CFC/HBC affiliated people) are welcome!
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Congratulations on calling someone who disagrees with you a "faggot". And you wonder why nobody likes you.
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I'll go check the moderation log to see how terrible they were.
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I'd bet on some sort of agreement that sides N3 and NCC together, with separate leaderships, but working together.That or they go to war, in which case hopefully the quality over quantity that seems to appear on both sides (maybe a bit less on NCC's side, but their Tengu fleet helps make up for it, at least in this pre-HML nerf environment) will result in some good fights in the case this happens.
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To be fair, solar arent really in the south, they are in the east or the north east. Immensea are the northern most 'south' region,
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I think it comes down to where N3 is going to install NCDot. Seeing as NCDot is easily the more powerful entity in N3, they are going to get whatever sov they want to call home and the rest of N3 will fight for it. If they want the east, they'll goto war with NCC. If they want the west, they'll have to goto war with HBC. Either way, it will be quite a fireworks show. \o/
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The interesting thing about N3 is that while NCDOT is clearly the military powerhouse of the organization, they seem quite happy to outsource the diplomatic-administrative side of things to Nulli: perhaps a recognition of their historic shortcomings in that field? If this is indeed the case, a heartening show of self-awareness on NCDOT's part.
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cuz you guys were being ultra lame and pingning sov structures and getting everyones panties in a wad for giggles. Soo piss off :D
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woops put this on the wrong comment >_<
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Reinforcing Catch with 70ish pilots in fleet?Ok, if that's what they learned from the Delve/Querious/Period Basis/Catch/Paragon Soul/Esoteria rolling, then ok, let those 70 heroes reinforce a region.:popcorn:
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the chatlog (http://pastebin.com/Yuh6bNwY - I have no idea how heavily this is edited, I happened across it on pastebin and saved the link as I thought it curious that this never surfaced on kugu afaik) suggests that recruiting FUSEN was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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I've seen the zealot fleet running around NPC, nice sized fleet. Be interesting to see what happens to -A- now they are free of the chains of sov.
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70 man fleets eh? :golfclap:
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If you think that's how Nulli diplomacy functions you've got a surprise coming. N3 works because there is mutual respect between alliances and none of the 'I'm better than you' crap that has wrecked so many other coalitions.
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Oh so you haven't been leaving systems to get flipped with zero resistance then? I've personally been there fore three final timers in systems of yours and no one has showed. Even at this stage, you guys are still drinking the kool-aid.
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I think you're downplaying a few aspects of being in the HBC. Mostly that 'cultural integration' is quite often code for saying that TEST and PL's word is law.As far as I understand it the alliances have to follow along with campaigns and to some extent have to motivate their membership enough to make significant contributions to HBC fleets. There are also the rules governing where their membership can and can't roam, whether botting is allowed, rules on renters and so on. Overall it's a good deal - in exchange for losing that independence you get excellent space, good moons, a massive JB network, very good FCs for fleet ops and guaranteed defense of your space.
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I wouldn't call it propaganda. Yes, there is a large focus on TEST/PL, but TEST has basically just walked into Esoteria and taken the space that they've wanted. No matter how you spin it, there has been little resistance from the former residents there.
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Who still believes this? People that look at numbers, diplomatic relations, battle outcomes, region flips, and alliance level incomes.
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Lay it on em boy, show him whats up.@Truth Mother Fucker, OH GOD NOT TWO CARRIERS! OH FUCK OH FUCK looks like my TEST delve loss prediction will come true! time too bet all my money on black!Your fleets are shit, you've killed a couple ratting carriers with fleets... name one entity that doesn't go whaling with a handfull of bombers and a blops harpoon. That shit is childs play. Your zealots suck grundle and your alliance is dead.
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Failure cascade into obscurity and pointlessness? -a-, we scream about goodfights and run when equal numbers show.
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Who knows? But as someone not in either HBC or -a- it does seem that it's the only alliance that HBC like to talk about. After NIPing N3 (which is pet-lite status) I wonder who is left to give HBC any decent challenges?
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long story short : the south is incapable of making friends and gathering ppl to fight HBC . so they fight each other and HBC steamrolls their shit meanwhile .- It's kinda sad to see what happened to -A- under makalus leadership . I have to say that triple AAA has been a great Alliance in the past but just turned into retarded snops that think killboard eff. and dodging direct encounters help win a war. ~ Elite PVP ~People need to understand that Null Sec Wars are not about ~Elite PvP~ . Its about numbers aka. fleet sizes and good leadership that knows the art of politics.
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There were several articles/battle reports from BL writers and even a couple from NCdot writers that were them writing about victories over the CFC - there's no bias about what perspective gets on here, so long as it's well written.
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Considering the size of the HBC and CFC there's not actually any competition as far as sov goes. Take into account the extremely low recruitment standards for many alliances in both of those coalitions and you can be on the winning side simply by putting in an application.A lot of those ~elite PvP~ players you're complaining about made a rational choice to play in a way they consider to be more fun. They enjoy trying to improve at the spaceship combat section of the game. Besides, it's not like it's hard for them to join the winning team if they really wanted to.
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Nulli and Test have a common hatred of -A-, but that doesn't mean we're swapping spit in the showers. We'll take some of -A-'s space and Test will take some, but we are not going to work together to do it. But it's far easier to people to come up with wild conspiracy theories, than actually examine the facts and make a reasoned judgement.
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Indeed, Nulli's motto should be, walk softly but carry a big stick.
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Were you dropped on your head as a child?
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ogod.. they're winning already.. have you eat'n Popeye's or bojangle's lately? We'll all die of heart disease... it's too damned delicious.
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I was, that's why your mother got fired. Taught us never to hire cheap illegal labour again. IIRC her breast milk was very sour.
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Nulli has a lot going for it with a history of good fleet comps, organization and acceptable fc's, and a love of pvp.But the simple fact is, their leadership when it comes to Sov, is risk-adverse.So when those "good fights" get testy, and Nulli bags a super or some hbc ceo's ratting carrier or tengu/small pos bot, they'll knuckle under and end up blueing HBC. Sov Nulli and No-Sov Nulli are simply diffrently lead alliances.
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I don't think you can expect TEST and PL to not dominate though. They are both #1 at what they do.
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Must solo more N3 frigs in my Enyo of dooooooom .....

The situation in the southern part of New Eden has changed dramatically over the past few months. As Bagehi stated in his article about the South on November 6th, many things remain up in the air. The South has seen many new residents come and go, even in the past few weeks. An update on how things are going and how the actual field is looking is definitely in order.

The Players

The list of alliances partnering up to fight each other is long, but carefully laying out the field might shed a different light on the War in the South. In fact, when looking at Eve-Kill stats, it is safe to say that each coalition or alliance is on their own. The South, at this point in time, is fair game and many NIPs (Non Invasion Pacts) have proven fragile: most broke due to opportunistic behavior by the parties involved.

First off, there's the HBC (Honey Badger Coalition) who, at this very moment, are the largest coalition in-game. They consist most notably of TEST, Pandemic Legion, The Initiative., Raiden., Zombie Ninja Space Bears, Tribal Band, and Unclaimed. The Jagged Alliance (TJA) is no longer enrolled in the HBC due to a falling-out with HBC leadership, who subsequently set TJA to a +2.5 standing.

Things soon changed, as they seem to have a habit of doing in the South. Many members of The Jagged Alliance did not agree with what had happened. The HBC stated that the alliance was free to take Impass while on the +2.5 standing and that they had full operational control in the takeover of the region. They did not, however, have any HBC support in the task. Not only did the corporations of TJA not agree with what had been done to them, they also did not want to commit to the invasion effort by moving in all their assets into Impass. TJA subsequently died out.

Next we have the ancient group of alliances that live in Stain and Esoteria, primarily consisting of C0VEN and Stain Empire. This bloc was under a Non Invasion Pact with the HBC, an agreement which stated that the residents of Esoteria were under no circumstances allowed to interfere with HBC operations. Unfortunately, the Esoterians ignored these instructions by continuing hostilities against Unclaimed. during the attempted takeover of former RED.Overlord space. After several engagements, Montolio (leader of the HBC) decided that enough was enough and declared a holy war on Esoteria.

Already in this short list we are beginning to see a pattern: In the South, it's every man for himself. The third group in this conflict is, like the residents of Esoteria, fighting its own battle against the HBC.

Against All Authorities continues its slow slide into obscurity due to sloppy organization and broken promises. Only five months have passed since -A- and friends were able to bring a fight to the HBC and, after recent events, they seem surprised that their allies have run out. The first problems arose when RED.Overlord (ROL) held its promise to help -A- in fending off the HBC, but -A- did not return the favor when Paragon Soul was invaded by Tribal Band. RED.Overlord subsequently handed Paragon Soul to the HBC, a maneuver that -A- did not appreciate. The relationship between -A- and ROL became strained; when the HBC and a few defectors from ROL started the march on Feythabolis with the help of portions of TJA, both ROL and -A- had no real response.

At this point in time, -A- is fighting its final battle from NPC space and ROL is losing sovereignty, only coming out to harass and disturb HBC operations.

After the conflict up north unfortunately proved too great a challenge for some, a new coalition calling themselves N3 retreated to the south, where it appears they intend to stay - for now. But what are their relationships with the current residents? N3, consisting of Nulli Secunda, Northern Coalition., Nexus fleet and recently joined The Kadeshi are waging their own war against SOLAR from the South. At the same time they are also working on taking over space previously owned by -A-. While this new coalition came to the South with the intention to get some space and fight SOLAR, they are not competing for sovereignty against the HBC. Roaming gangs and the occasional 'gud fites' against the HBC are all they are after.

The Future

It will be interesting to see how things unfold further and if the old residents of the South will rise again after their sovereignty has been ground down. If Delve was any indication, it does not look good for the previous owners. Grudges will be held for future fights and the HBC is growing ever-larger. While the future might hold a big reset of standings, that seems a far way off at this point in time.

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