The Scam that Changed the TOS

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This is what happens when you live on the crust.
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This is what happens when you dont read the eula terms and click accept unknowingly when there were posts about it everywhere, you can only blame yourself.
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Oh my, I've been lying to other people and stealing goods from them, why does nobody love me anymore?
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My issue is with the CCP. This just shows TOS means nothing, they just make new TOS rules and retroactively frak you.
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What is this outdoors you speak of?
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I truthfully blame the people who upon their own accord decided to trade a super with someone they had no clue about and it's apparent they didn't do any sort of research on the people they were dealing with. Wasn't that one of the big things about EVE? Isn't there a list of who is a volunteer or employee of CCP? I think it was a great scam on people who sounded like they took the risk of dealing with someone that didn't have a reputation of doing the 3rd party thing.
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Eve is a game created by CCP.Sure there is an EULA and TOS to play by, but ultimately if CCP want to ban someone for being an asshole they will, regardless of the rules. The only reason this asshole got banned, is because they pissed the GMs off.I find this whole article to be quite ironic really. This person who got permenantly banned for being an asshole is now whinging that CCP broke the rules about banning him.Eve is not meant to be fair. Deal with it.
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"As with most people who play this game, it is the group of individuals around you that keep it interesting."It was not me, it was my friends who suggested I do this.Wow, what a spineless douche. And he wonders why CCP wants to shit on him.
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What? That scammers pretend that they are so clever because they exploit the fact that the game doesn't have a good way to punish behavior that is always punished in all societies at all times. I love scammer tears, so delicious.
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Just think of it as a scam. You're the mark. Mohr tears, please
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Holy misinterpretation Batman!
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You're correct, EVE the game is not meant to be fair. The rules surrounding it are. If a game developer won't follow the EULA/TOS they lay out for the players, then there's very little point in having one. If we're just to assume that we'll get banned "when CCP feels like it/thinks it;s justified," then they might as well turn the TOS into one rule stating "don't piss us off/do bad things."Yes, they can terminate the game/our accounts at anytime, but the point behind the entire EULA/TOS is to make it fair for all.Also, if EVE is not meant to be fair, then why'd the scammer get banned?
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"In the real world" in a game about blowing up spaceships.
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Did he really go check the EULA/TOS before doing all of this or is it revisionist history to fill in that the rules didn't exist ahead of time?Did he really envision what CCP would do? Like he talked with some buddies and they thought temporary ban and changes to the EULA/TOS would occur. Who would have thought EULA/TOS changes before CCP made changes to the EULA/TOS? It just sounds a little convenient.Again, a lot of the story sounds factual, but it seems he has taken some revisionist liberties. Oh wells. Shit people have shit happen to them. Not often enough, but it does come around. This guy did a lot of work, probably more than the 4 days he claimed, in order to pull off an elaborate heist. Kudos to him. It's too bad some of the smartest among us choose the paths they do. Back to the real world for him. I hope his mom is happy to have him back to putting lotion on her bunions
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"In the end, EVE online is a business, and nothing, especially not a player, is going to come between CCP and their revenue stream, regardless of how right or wrong it is."That's the truth about every game. Well said.
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'C' or Chribba probably bribed the GMs to ban hin
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He never said he was an ISD so he wasn't claiming to be anyone other then himself read the article before you post garbage............
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I agree, that level of fucking with the eve wiki was probably something nobody at CCP thought could happen.
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I thought we played a game to do things we cant do in the real world in here...Or did I sign up to the wrong game?
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Given the special circumstances surrounding "C" it really seems like a bad idea. "C" is given special privileges because of his good work. If it was anyone else this probably wouldn't have gotten as big as it did. "C" may not be GM or Dev but he is in a special class of his own. You can't deny you knew the risk of impersonating "C".I do agree permaban is over the top though.
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he never claimed he was anybody else. He just claimed that he was not going to steal their shit. Just like everybody in Jita.
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So, as near as I can tell Section 1 is brought up mostly in conjunction with Section 8. That he falsified a mark that can only be (legitimately) applied by a CCP employee or ISD volunteer is not in question. This is a breach of the TOS under section 8 because ISDs are, in-fact, CCP representatives. They're volunteers and lack certain powers but since they're a position created by CCP they get to decide what they are and are not.Also in answer to your question, the "Eve Volunteer" portion of the TOS was clearly in-place prior to the recent TOS changes. Per the post announcing the update.Section 16 isn't really a stretch, it's just intentionally vague. He modified the wiki content in a way that was deceptive to other uses and outside the normal operations of the wiki (it had to be done intentionally and served no other purpose but to facilitate this scam)Basically, regardless of what he found, the fact that he had to falsify that "locked time-stamp" for this scheme to work should have clued him in that he was crossing a line.
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You're right. The game needs to have built-in ways to punish the behavior that all societies punish. Like murder. Kill another character, permaban.Seriously, there are mechanisms for punishing behavior in EVE. They're called 'go punish the dude yourself, if you can manage it'. Otherwise, EVE's a pretty lawless place, and the only semblance of 'law and order' is the blatantly corrupt CONCORD. 'Murder's bad... unless you buy us off first'.Really, theft and murder are pretty much the only two 'always punished' societal sins. And EVE glorifies both of them. How many 'come play EVE, look what you can do!' trailers are floating around with the story of 'get revenge by getting an alt into an enemy's corp, get trusted, get to be a director, then robs the corp blind and destroy everything you can't steal'?And of the two - of murder and theft, theft is the lesser. So that's what you're bitching about? You're bitching about the lesser of two evils? Have you absolutely no kills in PvP, too?
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Unlikely. You'd have to disguise your IP address or your account would be the one banned. In order to get someone else perma-banned you'd have to spoof their IP and other connection information which would be at the least difficult to do and at the worst illegal. Plus if you ever logged in on your character with that setup you'd probably be nuked from orbit by the GM team.
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This whole story is akin to the spoilt child who complaining when his toys are taken away.Sure he have done his homework on this, but expecting this matter to be dealt with fairly when this player has been anything but fair makes this whole matter a laughing stock.The armchair lawyers can argue over this until they are blue in the face. CCP can ban people for whatever reason they justify. You may say "why don't they ban me, or you". Nearly all players don't try and pull scams that can put a game into disrepute (yes if this type of incident requires the TOS to be changed then it has done that) and then justify it on very grey clauses of the TOS. GMs rarely intervene on such matters and when they do its something that's potentially very damaging to the game.
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Except that he had no way of hiding the fact that he'd added that false locked image - that's what the 'history' tab of any wiki article is for, so you can check who's making what changes.CCP's history when dealing w/scams would seem to imply that their position would be 'if you didn't check who locked it, it's your own fault'.
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The Mittani's a lawyer, and I'm just waiting for him to try untangling this one -- should he choose to tackle it.
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Looks like the ban was not that much about scamming but about causing CCP employees extra work.
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I doubt it's a matter of law at all - no MMO's EULA or TOS has ever gone into a courtroom, and no MMO company wants to risk the precedents that get established if they do. That's why most of them have a cleverly-hidden (by which, I mean out in the open) clause that lets the game company terminate your account for their own, undisclosed reasons.
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Good I hate scammers. Have fun playing wow now
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The best line I've heard in court was "Your Honor, in law, we can do whatever we want." It won the case. Obviously this isn't destined for a courtroom, and CCP *can* do whatever it wants to with their ownership of your account.It's the thought process that I'm interested in. Think less "courtroom" and more "untangling a complicated situation such that it follows YOUR narrative and what YOU want the answer to be." It's a hell of a lot less formulaic a practice than most people would expect, particularly when you start to find inconsistencies or conflicting precedent.In this TOS situation, we find both inconsistent writing *and* a huge volume of different GM responses over time. Sprinkle atop all this the fact that elected representatives are involved that have vested interests in the outcome, and it's about as deep an "EvE is Real" situation as anyone's ever made.It's both a nightmare and a feast.
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I have been playing EVE for a while and if I was in his shoes, I would've assumed what he was doing wouldn't get you banned. He impersonated an EVE player, and changed publicly editable wiki pages, and he never said he was CCP or ISD sponsored. Great execution of a scam that shouldn't be bannable according to the old TOS. If it was why are they changing it now?
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Touch a hot stove and you might get burned. Put your hand on it and leave it there and you will absolutely get burned. This is how most crooks get caught. They discover a scam that works, then keep on going until they cross the line. He should have stopped while he was ahead.
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Yeah, but given the risks if something like this were to get into a courtroom and a jury-decided civil suit? Most game companies will revert to 'no, we just terminated it for our own reasons' long before they get close to risking that. On the occasions when other software companies have been foolish enough to let themselves step into a courtroom (looking at YOU, Microsoft), the trend's been pretty consistent that TOS are more or less not really enforceable or binding. And that's without even getting into that one UK software company whose EULA included a provision signing over the user's soul.
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Situation: someone exploits the offiical wiki to scamLogical solution: restrict access to wiki by third parties; change EULA to prohibit editing the official wiki for scammingCCP solution: ban all the things
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I would call it a great scam, if it would not have been such a dumb move to 'hack' a ccp owned webpage. You were sabotaging their wiki, this alone is a legal offense.You as well faked the locked button, which implies that an administrator of the wiki locked it, here you have your eula breach already as well. And your own defense is that you thought ISDs don´t have very stricked rules? Get real dude. CCP is well aware that anyone with special abilities in the game is tempted to cheat in the game. They had this year again a cheater in their staff, this is a extreme touchy subject for CCP and they are watching not only their regular employees carefully, but as well the volunteers int heir ISD program. Just be happy that you only got a perm ban and no one pressed any charges against you. Most western countries don´t take computer sabotage lightly. Sabotaging a website that clearly is not within the game was a dumb move, and doing it in way that there is no doubt that you did it on purpose suggest that you did not think about consequences of your actions.
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Just because the Wiki is a piece of junk does not mean that you are allowed to sabotage it. He did not get his ban for being bad at editing the wiki, he got it for sabotaging it. That is a huge difference.
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This does only apply as long as it is limited to the game itself, in this case a ccp owned website was sabotaged. Stupid move if you care about your account.
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trust is a sign, shows that you dont care...
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I think carebears are a blight of the game. And yet I have to agree :sadface:
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You made my point for me. "Murder" is severely punished in EVE by sec status, scamming has zero punishment. PVP is high risk for the participant, scamming is nearly zero risk. You scammers are pathetic, there is built in risk to nearly everything in EVE but scamming and when someone finally goes way overboard they cry like babies when they get kicked. Once again good riddance to bad trash.
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While this is complete off-topic: Alts and character trading negate any consequences in the game.EVE players need to learn to HTFU and start living in a universe were people are accountable for their actions. There is only one thing worse than scamming alts: Miners.
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No, see, murder isn't severely punished in EVE. Sec status? Go kill some rats, your sec status will come back up. It might take time, but really, when all you have to do to offset podding someone is go and make money, you can't call that 'punishment'.
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Except it's a wiki. It's a CCP-owned webpage designed to be publicly editable. It was publicly edited. Nothing in the TOS for EVE indicated that you couldn't enter information you knew to be incorrect onto the wiki.
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No, entering false information into a wiki is not a legal offense. Jesus Christ, it's a web page made to be edited by anyone who logs in - wikis, by their very nature, are inherently untrustworthy. That's why, if you find something wrong on a wiki, you're allowed and encouraged to correct it. But it is not 'sabotage', and given that all changes are, in fact, tracked on the 'history' tab of every wiki (part of what makes a wiki a wiki, in fact) and all old version of the page are thus preserved, you can't even be said to be defacing their property.You clearly have no idea what constitutes illegal 'hacking'. First, you have to gain entry into the system unlawfully - he did not. Second, you have to do something illegal while you're in there - copying someone's data would constitute IP theft. Erasing it would, too. Editing a wiki does not. There is no 'sabotage' crime - there is vandalism, and destruction of property, but again, since the changes are tracked and the earlier version can be reverted, that doesn't even begin to apply to the content of a wiki.About the best you could hope to approach here is Identity Theft - except he never claimed to be a representative of the ISD in question, he merely implied that ISD was connected to his work, and did so in a truthful way: since he wasn't going to update the 'list', any unapproved changes would, in fact, not be made, just as he said they wouldn't.There's nothing there you can actually hope to even hang a civil suit on, much less actual criminal charges.
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Scammer tears are the best ! Haha Opted to turn over a new leaf and go out doors. Oh the laughs are grand Eve will still be there when youv'e finished crying your but hurt away. Cool story how you got banned though another leach ejected. Props CCP keep up the good work.
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well,look,allrightshadenfreudejustice is blindu scammed a lot of people out of their multibill hulls and cash....u re proud of it cause finding the kind of sucker that would fall into this is actually a job....well donehey what do we say to all those who got scammed? "Hey moron,face it,you deserved it"well dear scammer guess what u ve been scammed out of yr scams....and now guess whats next???Tears and ;;;;ragequit;;;;and yes you prolly deserved itforget the lawyer BL(not black legion) about eula and whats permitted or notif one of yr suckers posted about the eula every1 would have said get over it suckeron another note:good luck IRL
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CCP is eve online has decided that this is not the way to play the game in witch they own.End of statement
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Sick scam, Moratok nominated for Faggot of the Year 2013
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Could we start a petition to reinstate his accounts? ;)
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And so a career of scaming, bitching, trolling, insulting and awox other people has ended. no big loss to EVE at all.
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FrotWarriors 4 lyfe :3:
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Well, thank you for the thought out reply and the answer :). I knew the second clause had been added but did not know if the "volunteer part" was ninja'd in there.I still struggle to consider ISD volunteers as representatives of CCP the company. As such, this would mean that ISD members are representative of CCP's values, or at least held to such publicly, which is, in my opinion, not the case.As for section 16, I say it's a stretch because what he did didn't have an impact on the function of the wiki or the site. Yes, he made a malicious article, but I think that's worthy of a warning/transaction reversal for each scam made like that (though it'd be hard to track).Overall, this was an unprecedented scam (I believe) and it should have been treated as such. Reverse the transactions related to the wiki? Sure, that makes sense if they could determine it. But a perma-ban for something that had really, to my knowledge, never been done before? I wouldn't say so. This was a lesson for CCP and the player-base alike.
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RIP Pizza. :(Gonna miss you dudes, #FuckCCP
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He doesn't mean actual law, just solid reasoning (a trait that lawyers usually possess).
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The base rule is rather simple: CCP can permanently ban you for no reason whatsoever. Being capable of planning out such an extensive scam, one would have thought it would be easy for you to understand such a simple rule.
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I think everyone who reads this should file a petition to request his unbanning. Additional GMs will be involved so chances are it might work.Personally tho, if you thought something was going to be happening - you should have moved portions the isk around to several different sources. Then have those sources move it further around to make tracking it difficult. That way if a ban did happen you could have possibly recovered some amounts of it to use to buy a new character.
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CCP are trolls, they favor each other with in game isk and perks, wouldn't it be nice to have access to every t2 bpo in the game eh? If you're Icelandic you're allowed to breach the EULA all day with no problems, and are even rewarded for your activity.EVE is their personal bullying ground, where they think they are space viking emperors who can rule over the space peasants.
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Awesome scam story, sorry for the harsh punishment you got and the reversing of transactions.While in my opinion you did cross a few lines, like with the timestamp thingy as that's implying CCP approved your page, your punishment was far too severe, and the reversing of transactions was just too much.I tip my hat to you for your well thought out scam, and I hope at least some of your accounts still have some of your ill gotten gains.
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The reality is regardless if you breached the EULA or TOS. CCP owns everything in-game of Eve and player's simply rent space and time. If they want to ban you for any or no reason they can, legally.Great scam however :)Cheers
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Well done sir, well done
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maybe you didn't win in the end, but you certainly made a few CCP redfaced behind their keyboards. +1, hero stuff.
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We all say "eve is real" "eve has consequences" well this is it. Even IRL, if you toe the line regularly and loudly enough you will get the book thrown at you.
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Can I have your stu... oh, nervermind.
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This makes me want to drop eve even more. What a load of crap CCP This type of scam is awesome. It is freeing the users of supers from being board. Plus I got to see one of his "drops" with that NYX Nice job dude!
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rip -fa- thanatos
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Editing the wiki was clever but falsifying the graphics was definitely a step over the line. I'm honestly not trying to poo poo you at all but the extreme lack of judgement or grasp on reality you have in relation to these things is a bit disturbing but not all that uncommon of EVE players. They were within their rights whether the activity was expressly covered in the EULA or not and these sour grapes are a bit dull.
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if you'd self-destructed those caps, ccp wouldn't have given a shit. isk down the drain = dollars in their pocket. using that isk = their dollars down the drain, from lost plex income, from ragequitters.as much as i'd like to see a consistent application of internet spaceship law, the only one that exists is "thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds".
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So this guy hacked a CCP website? Oh well. you deserved to be banned.
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Nice story, very innovative way to scam but the second you start throwing names around like ISD no matter what CCP have said before about not being involved in trades you were on thin ice. If you'd not done that I believe you'd have got off with a temporary ban or none at all.None of that takes away from the fact though that I'm no fan of scammers and am absolutely delighted you're out of the game for good. Tough shit.
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skill your self
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You are a bad person, both in-game and RL, you got what you deserve, soon or later... bye bye, and thank god you leave eve, we dont need more garbage like you...
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EVE belong to CCP, so they can do anything what they want!
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Not really. Sure, in the end he misedited it intentionally, but it is still a Wiki, by nature editable.If you put a container on the Rancer gate and label it "this system is safe to jump into with your freighter" is it sabotage of others gameplay? IMHO this is about at the same level.
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Or you just use a proxy and suggest that the scammer used one.Anyway, that's an interesting can of worms CCP opened there. I'd think it will lead to CCP just removing the Evelopedia if this becomes a trend.
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Wow. What a dick.
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One of EVEs unique selling point is that scams are possible (and even promoted) by its sandbox nature. EVE is making the news partly because of scams or thefts on a huge magnitude, and many players got interested in the game because of that.Now stating that CCP can ban you at will because "you were bad" is reverting that whole sandbox aspect and thus questioning a pivotal aspect of the game. That is why people feel the need to discuss such matters.One thing is being mean ingame, another thing is the metagame regarding your accounts. If we'd expect CCP to gank our accounts at will, why would we invest time and money in that game?After all CCP did make such videos as HTFU. Now, when people lose their supers and refuse to "Harden The Fuck Up", that is the moment when it all gets quite hypocritical.
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I wonder if you go around and sue people that beat you at poker.
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If anyone should be banned, it is the seller for a) not using Chribba, and b) trusting a Wiki site. But this is plain pathetic, CCP kicking Darwin right in the nuts, well done.
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The rules surrounding it include using out of game resources for their intended purpose, ie the Eve wiki is there for people to get information about Eve. Inserting malicious information into the wiki then making it look like said information was sanctioned by a CCP representative, that is not an action that takes place inside Eve the game. He abused an out of game resource of CCP's, he got banned for it. Sucks to be him, or maybe not if he's enjoying some outdoors time.
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I agree, scamming this ammount of ISK and assets as a single person is indeed realy impressive.A masterpiece and a well deserved permaban(no hate, but f*cking with the evelopedia was like asking for it).
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you do realize it's an openly editable wiki right ?
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Ban "C"! If CCP, or anyone for that matter, is willing to have an unlocked wiki of information about Eve, and knowing the nature of Eve meta-game, then they are about as fucking stupid as the whale meat that they eat.This guy should have his accounts and isk reinstated. It's because you messed with the all loved Chribba that CCP went ape shit. Fucking twats.What can we expect from a company that hires mintchip?
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My name is not Tetania and I am not in fact a space captain.I am sorry for falsely representing myself in what I thought was an online virtual world for over 7 years and gracefully await my ban.
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My heart bleeds. Taking advantage of people's goodwill is shitty, regardless of whether its a game or not. Good riddance I say.
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You are filth and I can't believe you even have the nerve to whine about it here. Good to see CCP still puts out the trash after 10 years. Keeps this place clean and healthy. Hard to emphasize with psychopath... Even the article upsets me, the way you simply dismiss the leukemia player makes me wish hurt upon you. Age 30, been battling M. Myeloma for 5 years and it will come and claim me. Lost my wife, country, house and children over it. Social isolation is terrible when you are ill. You set goals like flying that supercapital and hope for the best. Then a sucker like you comes along.. I hope you didn't take this from the guy, I really do. Although you are behind a screen, you are still dealing with people and your actions impact others. I can enjoy a good scam when it is scam but this is NOT. Your victims weren't fooled out of stupidity or because they were gullible or greedy. They used a third party to be safe and did their research. You malignantly spread out false information, falsified documents and abused third-party services to set them up. Nothing is funny about this. Next time, try and play the game as intended instead of making other people miserable. You'll notice that you won't have to blame CCP for every wrong in the world when you do that. CCP has always communicated with its playerbase in a very open manner. They've never been strict at enforcing game rules like other policestate game companies. Players like yourself put all that at risk and force them tighten up the rules for everybody.Good job..
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If you had not used the wiki and did scam's as everybody else normally every ones and a while you would have gotten away with it and still be in the game.
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But in real life you also typically have constitutional (or at least common law) rights to these things. In EVE, no such things exist.
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I don't know about that - forcing EVE PvE on somebody is quite a punishment.
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i was one of the people he scammed... it was a very good setup and also the reason i quit eve as well.. looks something like 300 mil ISK,
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From begining to end that is the funniest thing I have read in a while. So much suffering. The fact that CCP made you eat a sh|t sandwhich at the end is just the icing on the cake.
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I tend to agree, but just because there is no precedent doesn't mean what you are doing isn't against the rules.
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Overall we have no way of knowing what really transpired beyond that this guy and his buddy were banned. There could be any number of little details that were "conveniently omitted" from this retelling of things. Anything from his dealings after the initial "we are investigating" ban to what happened to the ISK he made could have influenced CCP's decision and we'll never know because CCP doesn't discuss bans.Overall, yes this was unprecedented, but that doesn't mean I have much sympathy for the guy who did it. I think the bit here that's somewhat subject to interpretation is the manipulating the Wiki. That's what this whole scam hedged on and I think what caused the hammer to come down so forcefully. In our eyes it's one tiny thing, but to CCP that's, more or less, impersonating an ISD rep or at least faking their participation.As to the whole ISD = representative thing, I'm pretty sure there's a few lines to that effect in the thing the ISDs have to sign when they become ISDs. They aren't authorized to speak for CCP but that's because they have a set of guidelines saying what they are and aren't allowed to speak on. They essentially function as pseudo-GMs (who are full CCP Employees) and have power normal players don't, which is, I think the thrust of the issue here. That he faked an ISD signature piece.As to his claim that this changed the TOS, no. If that were the case he wouldn't have been banned. Since this happened before the TOS change his assertion is, at best, an attempt to inflate his own importance by going "look what I did"
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Yes, but most people won't think to check that.A real world equivalent is counterfeiting money incorrectly. Even if you intentionally leave out something like the security stripe it's still counterfeiting.The point in this instance was to attempt to deceive someone using an ISD's mark and that's a no-no, even if it's theoretically possible for someone to determine that it was faked.
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Or making it so trial accounts can't edit it.Overall there are a fair number of things CCP can do short of removing the Wiki but none of them are going to be pleasant for the community as a whole. So exploiting this would end up akin to setting your house on fire to kill a few spiders.
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No, he faked an ISD mark on a wiki entry, which is probably why the hammer came down so hard.
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in my opinion, this person should not have been banned. AFTER the scam was revealed, the ToS should have been clarified to state explicitly that the ISD and wiki are off limits (which may still take place eventually) to prevent this kind of scam in the future. but with the way things are currently, i see no reason for the ban.also, on a more general note: handling scam cases on a case by case basis rather than strictly enforcing clear and reasonable rules is a terrible practice and should never have taken place to begin with.
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It's all explained. Breach of EULA/TOS Articles 1, 8 and 16 :) How much clearer can it get? He admits in the post that he falsified the locked sign on the EVELOPEDIA page to make it appear authentic. How much clearer can that get?
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A lot of people who read this wholeheartedly approve the permbanhammer.If he had just scammed, he would get away with it. But forging part of a webpage for it to look authentic and using the names of CCP's volounteers as well, that part is monumentally stupid.So yeah. Hear hear to scum like him never getting unbanned.
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Good thing no actual civil suit case is needed to press the banhammer on someone.It was only a question of time until someone went and crossed the line and now that someone did, scammers all over EVE are shedding tears.
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Bah! If you don't like how CCP run their tyranny, take your business to a competitor!
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In game scams yeah ok, but modifying an out of game resource is just ridiculous. You fucking deserved to get banned for that alone. This article is juat butthurt and tears because you fucked up the only thing you had in your life...a computer game.
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The more CCP desides to interfere with gameplay like this, pad new or dumb players alike, the more eve will lose it self.Do I love sci fi, and flying internet spaceship, you bet. But what I truly love about eve, is the sandbox feeling, of being able to do anything, just like real life, include scam/fool or simply ROB unsuspecting retards ( will piracy and blob rapage become against the eula next?)Like the totally unneeded change to anoms, where it went from skilled scan downs, to one click warps. Dont be like goverments, dont fuck with us. Leave us be, and make the virtual world we love work !\ . /!On a personal note; I think scammers them selfs are somewhat retarded, and I dispise their actions, but really, what is the difference between scammers and those that run of with the coffer of a huge alliance or corp. They still steal value others have either paid RL money for, or spent contless hours in game producing
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He also would've been a lot poorer prior to getting banned.
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'We choose not to continue to serve this person.'
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10 months late, I know, but I just wanted to say: Your scam was fucking brilliant and it is a shame CCP banned you over this. You walked the line finely... gracefully and with genius. They are total shitheads for coming down on you.

(Editor's note: When CCP's GM team announced a change to the TOS that banned impersonating other players, our first reaction was puzzlement. Why bother making this change? Chris Bailey tells the tale of the scam he ran that may have been the reason for the GM team's sudden beef with impersonation in Eve.)

My name is Chris Bailey. Below is my account of how over a period of a few weeks, I was able to scam and acquire nine supercapitals and two titans, totaling over 400 Billion ISK. The account is drawn out, a bit long, but accounts for my planning, the scams themselves, the repercussions from CCP, and my general thoughts on the recent TOS changes that were retroactively introduced to EVE Online.

PROLOGUE

Rewind to approximately 8 weeks ago. The weather was still a fair representation of summer in the northern hemisphere, Odyssey 1.1 was still just a glorified dev blog, and most of all, CCP Soundwave was still the Icelandic-living ATX announcer of our collective hopes and dreams. It was around this time that my long term plans to scam something as large as a super capital finally came to fruition in a way that I would have never expected.

It all began when I initially saw Xayder and other Goons scamming via the forums. During those days, I was in Goonswarm doing to usual “Use xxxxx as 3rd Party.” I probably mailed a couple hundred characters over the first few months, but to no avail. Not even a single reply. Towards the end of my limited patience, I got lucky. Odds eventually ended up in my favor and I managed to snag one guy looking for a fit Nyx for 24 Bil. I used my alt as a third party, the scam went smoothly, and I was smug.

This ended up being the exact same method I later used to scam another eight supers and two titans. I would pretend to be both the buyer and the “reputable” third party. To attempt to further push the ruse into getting me an actual transaction, I put my alt in an unsuspecting alliance that was neutral or negative standing to my third party character. I also modified my syntax to sound like two completely different individuals with their own habits. Most of the time, this presented a favorable situation for me.

CREATION OF THE PLAN

For the sake of respect, I will refer to a known player of EVE as “C” for the remainder of the article. This is no real attempt at hiding someone’s name - it will be clear to most - but there is no need to tie him directly to this.

There was one day where I happened to look at the EVE WIki for some information about a certain alliance’s history. One thing led to another, and in similar fashion to my random YouTube excursions, I ended up on the page of the well-known player C. To make things even more interesting, I noticed that – in the true fashion of a wiki – the page was editable. I spent the next few days scouring the forums and content pages for anything that would indicate that false information, or scamming with help of the forums, would lead to a punishable offense. I determined that there were no precedents that I could publicly find, and decided to go to work.

At first, no one was falling for it, and I spent a few weeks tucking my alt character’s name in pages for other known players named “D” and “G”. This would, with any luck, pay off for me down the road.

THE #HAZING

Fast forward two months. I sent a few mails out to buyers/sellers alike, mainly contacting them through the EVE “Sell Orders” forum. The type of super did not matter, but in each case, the plan was to have my own character be the third party in the transaction. Eventually, one player, acting as a seller of a Nyx, contacted my character after finding the name on C’s wiki article. I accepted his offer to act as a third party, but the buyer did not. In an attempt to keep my hopes alive, I reached out to him on another alt offering a price just above his buyout if he were willing to act quickly to sell me the mothership. We agreed on a time and a place in a less -traveled region of low sec, and less than an hour later, things were looking up. At this point, my two characters were in system: the third party and the supposed buyer. All of sudden, I realize my critical error. The character I listed for third party was actually the only character I currently had that could board a Nyx and jump it out. :sigh:

In a last ditch effort to make this happen, I made a ridiculous request. I, as the buyer, asked to have the third party jump the ship for me. At this point I had figured it was all over, but sure enough, the seller agreed and exited the Nyx. I boarded it on the third party, and cyno’d out. A few minutes and a couple dozen smug chat conversations with friends, and I had the Nyx safe and sound. +25 Billion

Being that I had not paid for this masterpiece of Gallente engineering, I decided to drop it on a few unsuspecting capitals up north.

This first boost of confidence that my plan was working led to me sending a couple dozen evemails, each offering enticing buyout offers for supers and titans alike. Less than 24 hours later, my next victim took the bait and wanted to buy a travel fit Nyx. Now that I had a Nyx of my own to work with, I could play either side of the trade. He was convinced to use my alt as a third party and lured out to lowsec to complete the transaction. At the same exact time, another individual reached out to me to buy a Nyx as well.

In an attempt to not let this opportunity slip, I spun up a few more alt characters. Clearly not able to have the same Nyx for sale in two places at the same time, I decided to roll the dice. Additional characters that could move to the location of the second transaction were logged in. I convinced the second buyer I was in the middle of another transaction as third party, and would be moving an alt. The two characters were moved, and the trap was set, all while keeping up the ruse with the first Nyx. The second buyer was convinced there was a cloaked Nyx in system and that I had verified and transferred the money, no questions asked. Seconds later, the first transaction also completed. +48 Billion

Up until this point, my forum posts were not under scrutiny. I had not received any serious hate mail, and no one tried to really publicize what was going on. Unfortunately the last victim of my three aforementioned Nyx scams decided to post on every single sale thread on the forums that was made in the past 3 months. Thinking the con was up, I prepared to invest my money in some toys and move on, finally having the ISK I always wanted. To my surprise, hours later a fourth victim wanted to buy an Aeon. I gratefully took his ISK as well. +24 Billion

My first spree all occurred in approximately 36 consecutive hours of gameplay and resulting in four supers, plus an additional Wyvern hull and the ISK for an Aeon. The total was six supers in less than two day’s time.

Things at this point slowed down considerably; the con was officially up. C caught on to what was going on with his the wiki page and had it edited and locked for good. There was a shortage of supers, and no one else looked like they were going to fall for it. I decided to take a break, stopped sending out mails, and just plain forgot about it myself. The two super hulls were sold off using a legitimate third party, and I used the stockpile of ISK to make some much needed purchases.

THE #HAZING PART 2

It was time to take it to the next level. In my eyes, this was only the beginning; there had to be better more lucrative ways to convince other buyers/seller to act in the same way. The wiki proved to be a valuable tool, since it was closely tied to the game but still community driven. Most people overlooked the fact that the pages could be edited by any EVE character/player.

I could no longer edit the wiki page that listed C and all of his alts. Instead, I created my own page from scratch; this was part of my eventual downfall. This time, I created a page and listed existing third parties already known to the community. Each third party had a short description describing their services, and my character was conveniently placed in the middle of the list for all to see. An artificial lock button was copied from Google images and inserted in the top right corner of the page. It gave the impression that the page was not editable, which was entirely false. The most controversial part of the page came last. I knew I could not directly say that I was a CCP-approved third party, because no such thing exists. In an attempt to make it seem as community-oriented as possible, I added this small line to the bottom of the page: “Contact ISD Rex Apollyon if you have valid proof of handling super capitals in the past, Anyone without proof will not added to this list.” It has since been argued that this is against the rules, but I believed at the time that the wording was carefully chosen and did not indicate that any true CCP employee had any part in the third party page. EVE is a community-driven sandbox after all; services offered are created by the players themselves, and a list like this is not unheard of.

After creating the wiki page, I let it sit for a short period of time. A few more mails went out, but no takers. Approximately two weeks after the second wiki page went live, I caught my first big break. The market was pretty tough, and there were only a few Titan and Super hulls available. I made sure no other third parties were online to force the direction of the deals, and typically used phrases emphasizing that I would not be around for long, or that I would be traveling in IRL next week and would not have another chance for several days. Pretty commonplace, but fairly well-timed and useful in keeping the other party interested. This quickly led to back-to-back Nyx scams, both hulls.

Things proceeded to get humorous. One of the scammed Nyx parties, an individual called Moratok, decided to spin me a story of his own. After being scammed out of his supercapital, he wanted to make it extremely clear to me that he was going into Leukemia treatments the next day.

As the day continued, I was presented with my final goal. A 2003 pilot contacted me regarding a false ad to sell a slightly underpriced Leviathan. The agreed price was 100 Billion ISK and he was in quite a hurry to acquire one. With less effort than most of the previous scams, 100 Billion was transferred to my wallet and I was on cloud nine. Never had I thought that I would be presented with the chance to make such a score on a single hull. Titans were all too rare for this sort of thing to happened. Or were they?

My final scam would be one that, in my opinion, puts this streak of scams into EVE history. At this point I am sure I have a fair share of malcontents waiting to denounce my methods, but my intention was never to get banned. Push the limit of what is allowed by trying something no one had done before, yes, but not to lose my accounts in the process.

Shortly after the Leviathan was scammed, I was contacted by a Darkness And Despair pilot, was replied to another false titan ad of mine, in this case a Ragnarok. The pilot originally wanted to use C as a third party, but after exchanging a few mails and realizing how desperate he was after a two month search, things played right into my hands. Thirty minutes later I had another 105 Billion ISK in my wallet.

The sum total of the actual days during which scamming took place? Approximately 3-4 days over the course of several weeks. Most of it came in quick succession before I was forced to lay low and let the market shift around again.

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