Nullsec 101: How To Make Pings

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I love it when someone else furiously denies an actually very used tactic. Especially when you get to explain it to them and they can't deny that it's useful.
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I honestly have no idea where the word "ping" came from, this is the first time I've ever seen or heard it being used. Did you just make it up? Bookmark, perch, insta, safe, I have heard them been called *lots* of different things, but never "pings". The only time I've ever heard "ping" is when it is used as a drop in replacement for "jabber broadcast".
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Good bookmarks are 90% of a guerrilla warrior's kung-fu. While I disagree with the author's proposed methodology and nomenclature, I concede that ghetto-bookmarks are better than none at all.
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"try using planets and moons to get indirect warp-ins on gates."Is it just me, or is it pretty stupid to warp to moons in uncharted terrain... lol
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It's only stupid if what you're flying doesn't have a cloak.
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This article is "Why making pings is a good idea / All the things you can do with pings" not "How to make pings"Based on the title I expected some new ideas on how to make pings with less effort than slowboating or double warping (warp at 100, bookmark, warp out, then warp to your bookmark at 100) - disappointed.
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Old-bro terminology, I guess?
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We have lost our cloaky in one of our recent gangs. He scanned down 2 guys and warped onto them cloaked. There was a PoS. There was a bubble. Apparently there was some decloak jetcan or something. Still, the end result was a wreck.And the lesson is: always have Force Fields in your overview.
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Yeah, it's probably before my time but I'm surrounded by bitter vets so I figured I would have at least have heard the term used before....
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I'm not sure where I first heard it, but it's what I've always called them. I didn't realize the Nomenclature Gestapo would be on my ass here.
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Agreed. I thought this was going to be an article on how to ping on Jabber, which was weird.These kinds of gate or station bookmarks I've only ever seen called perches or tacs.. Pings are jabber broadcasts. end of. :p
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I normally hear bounce or perch. Meh.CFC dudes check S-Mart for the glorious bookmark packs full of "pings". Well worth the ISK (I've got about 10 packs).
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Its called a Tactical
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Thanks for writing the article. Sorry, my comment wasn't really meant to be overly critical towards you I was simply curious because I have never heard them be called that before.
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Personally I make tacs while in-warp to a gate or station - save the bookmark as you're around 1200-1000k from the gate in warp, and it should be somewhere there. Lag makes it hard to pick between making them on- and off-grid, but I'm too lazy to give a fuck. If you really need both you can burn one or the other from the first in-warp tac. (not that I ever do that..)
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To me, these are perches, and tacticals are arrays of bookmarks in specific directions. For example, a station with 6-26 bookmarks in cardinal directions would be a set of tacticals.
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It's a good subject to write about, but I would have included that it's a very very good idea to work out a consistent naming system for your bookmarks. I name mine like this [location] [direction] [distance]. Eg: for a pingspot on the LXQ gate it might be "LXQ above/behind/224Km", which is concise enough to appear in the right click menu and gives all the information needed, with the most important part (which gate) first.If you're in a system with only 1 station, you can just name the instadock BM "instadock". If there are multiple stations, you would put "[location] instadock". Eg: I have a bookmark in G-0Q called "VII-1 instadock".Consistent naming allows you to quickly select the correct bookmark that you need, and as you said, save yourself much ISK and tears by doing so.
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It's a lot less stupid than warping direct to an unscanned gate with hostiles in local. Putting up a drag bubble at the planet is a common trick.
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And i've never heard it called a perch bit ping has been around at least the 6 or so years i have been playing
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maybe you are playig in the wrong part of the galaxy ;)
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the nomenclature gestapo is always on your ass. that's why we can't have nice things
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I think it depends on where you are in nullsec (or maybe this is some bittervet term); this is the first time I've heard the word 'ping' in EVE meaning something other than a broadcast on jabber.
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Hilmars ex-s2n, we call them ping spots.
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Ping.I don't think this word means what you think it means. Otherwise, good info for newbros.
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Expected sarcastic article about how to use jabber. Got bookmarking instead.
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I was thinking of a sonar/radar ping when I read the headline.
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IT'S CALLED A FUCK STICK 9/11 JURASSIC PARK
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This wouldn't even qualify as a help sticky on a forum I'm afraid.
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It makes me sad that this article had to be written.
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Pings my ass, these are perches.
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A consistent naming structure really is the key. Sometimes I like stuffing them into folders for neatness, other times I hate having to go the extra motion to get into the nested folder to get quickly to a place. EVE is a game about choices!
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Perches are for shooting or sitting safe until you warp in to attack. These are Bounces for traveling through.
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They're not called Pings.
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Actually the 0km station ping bit is somewhat inaccurate. You need to make your bookmark at least 2,500m inside the boundary for it to work.
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Excellent article about something obvious that isn't, in the same vein that common sense ain't.And for those of the word policing persuasion: Ping is the european word for GET US THE FUCK OFF THIS FLEET YOU USELESS DOGSHIT CUNTS, mostly something interceptors do in a fight, but not in any way, shape or form limited to that particular situtation.
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bounce / pounce
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I've been informed by the powers that be that the correct term is actually 'Stuka' so everybody here is wrong
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I love it when somebody equates character age with player age/experience. A person might well have been playing solid for nearly a decade but be using a 5 mth old alt they've recently trained up.It's particularly amusing when the person suffering from this fallacy is being a complete noob.
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this.
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Pings are also used by sysadmins and people wondering what the hell happened to their internet connections. While I'm all for the occasional nod to obligatory terminology from days of yore, this one probably should wither on the vine in favor of more relevant nomenclature.Bookmarks away from celestials and other structures should collectively be called 'safes'Bookmarks near structures and gates but off grid should collectively be called 'tacticals'Bookmarks near structures and gates and on grid should collectively be called 'perches'I also tend to name my bookmarks specific to their goal. Perches off of gates specifically intended to avoid warp bubbles, I name "bubbledodge <insert-system-the-gate-leads-to> gate". But I'm weird and anal, that way.
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Who gives an F what they are called. It's the method that matters. Let's not get too pedantic.
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Moons are generally more safe than planets. Even if there is a tower on the moon, if you immediately warp out you'll be fine. Towers take a fair amount of time to lock anything BC or below and the only real danger is if there is a bubble on the moon's warp in that is actually camped, which has literally never happened to me.A tower on a moon is really nothing to be scared of. The majority of them aren't even set up right and won't shoot you. :)
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Only Canadians use 'Stuka' and we secretly laugh whenever they do.
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When every other comment here is about how they're not called pings, it's time to concede your ingroup nomenclature is confusing a hell of a lot of people. Just because there are players who call it that doesn't mean it's the clearest term to use in an article meant for a general audience.
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I came here expecting useful information on the internet control message protocol (ICMP)!, please stop the google index poisoning.
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yeah who calls them pings
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Apparently Hilmar Keller does.
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where in the chat log does the guy demonstrate he's "ignorant of rather basic warp mechanics"? he's saying it's inconvenient...

Just this lovely afternoon, this happened in the heavily-camped system of LXQ2-T.  I don't mind being wrong, and I don't mind people making mistakes.  But people who are so ignorant of rather basic warp mechanics need to be taught a thing or two.  For the good of humanity.  For Mother Russia.  For SCIENCE.

Without further ado, I present to you, in no small part thanks to Gargantoi of Against ALL Anomalies: How To Make Pings!

BUT FIRST: WHY?

It's elementary.  In Null-sec especially, you often do not want to warp directly to a gate or station.  What if there's a gang waiting on that gate for you?  Then they could jump in with you and then you'd be in trouble.  Worse, what if there's a drag bubble just behind that gate (much like the one I was using to lure baddies into my Sabre)?  Then you're stuck down Shit Creek, my friend.  All kinds of things can go wrong.  Maybe you want a safe passage to the gate, already knowing there's a static bubble behind it.  Or maybe you just want to keep eyes on the gate for your fleet.  There are many reasons for having pings, and pretty much no reason to not have or use them.

ON-GRID GATE PINGS

The most basic ping spot is made by burning (a MWD-fit frigate of any kind works great for this) at least 150km, preferably further, away from the gate in any direction except in the path of other gates/celestials/stations/etc.  Once you're at the intended spot, open up your EVE Menu [\], go to 'People and Places' and then in the 'Places' tab click 'Add Location.'  Give it a name and SAVE.  Then, whenever you right-click in that system, you can approach or warp to that exact spot whenever you want. 

The idea is that, when you warp from a gate to this ping (instead of directly to another gate), you will avoid landing in any bubbles and be able to assess what might be camping at the gate.  Up and down work great, but better yet (as these spots are common and leave you prone to enemies who have the same pings) try a ping up or down and to the side not facing the star.  You're much less likely to have enemies with the same or similar ping

OFF-GRID GATE PINGS

While on-grid gate pings are nice, if you're not in a cloaked ship, you will still expose your presence to any enemies at the gate.  If in the same way you made your on-grid ping, you go 'the distance' and burn over 1000 km from the gate, then save that location, warp off, and warp back, you'll notice that the gate is no longer on grid with you.  That means, although you'll show up on D-Scan, you won't be immediately visible to a gate camp.  Meanwhile, by using a limited-range D-Scan, you can tell what is waiting for you on that gate.  It's a useful ping for FCs to gather a fleet and quickly swoop down on an aggressed and unknowing enemy. 

IN-WARP PINGS

So now you know that you can use the 'Add Location' tool while on a grid - but did you know that you can also use it while in-warp?  Yes!  Create your own custom safe spot between two celestials, or even better, between two previously saved safe spots, by making a ping in-warp.  These pings are great for hiding in a system if there's nowhere to dock or no safe gates.  There is a somewhat unorthodox method of finding somebody at an in-warp ping by 'closing in' on it with D-Scan, but most of the time, you'll be impossible to find or catch without Combat Scanner Probes.  The best defense is to warp between older safe spots and constantly save new safe spots in a system so that you won't be on any one grid long enough to get scanned down.

0KM STATION PING

Have you ever safely landed on a station and then realized you're actually 2500m off that station?  Has there ever been a fleet waiting where you landed?  Is this where the bad man touched you?  You should've had a station ping.  Navigate anywhere along the edge of a station - preferably as far from the undock as possible, since this is commonly where you'll find bubbles - and make sure the station shows up at 0 meters on your overview.  Then bookmark this spot.  You'll have to manually select 'Dock' when you land on grid, but you won't land out of docking range any longer.

INSTA-UNDOCK PING

Being camped in a station sucks.  But if there's no bubbles to keep you in, there's no reason why you can't hit warp if your intended location is directly in front of you.  Use your MWD-fit frigate to burn straight out of the station undock.  Look behind you to make sure you're aligned, as closely as possible, to the center of the undock, since stations will always spit you out at a random but limited angle.  Burn out at least 200km from the undock (since the undock is usually located behind the docking range of the station) and then Add Location.  Better yet, make an undock point off-grid.  Make a lot of undock points and catch your enemies at their instas!  Now we're having fun!

TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE

If you're ever in a tight spot, such as on a roam in uncharted terrain with no pings, try using planets and moons to get indirect warp-ins on gates.  Most gates have at least one celestial body within scan range, which allows you to tell if it's being camped.  Make sure your D-Scan is modified to pick up bubbles and scanner probes so that you can tell when somebody's waiting for you or looking for you.  And, if all else fails, just make a safe spot and wait.  It takes a little time, but it could save you a lot of ISK/tears.

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