How the enemy paid for my titan

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Sounds like a whole lot of work and not so much fun to me... But anyway, gratz on the titan chap and I hope to help destroy it soon :)
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not bad
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Well played. I'd rather have fun terrorizing ratters than spending hours ratting myself D:
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Good job.
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interesting way to get to the same results as multiboxers. Anyone that focuses that many alts on one form of money making in eve will be rolling in isk by the end.
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To be fair, ratting for a titan worth of isk is more work and so much less fun.
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lol dude you need to get out more
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hahaha, nicegood read, good enterprise
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Although commendable, I believe this highlights the problem of cloaky afk alts. I realise the author doesn't state that he was indeed afk but it can be assumed he was not at the keyboard for most of this: especially in the first few days of the operation. Many realise that Eve should have a player behind each pilot, the negative feeling towards off-grid links and high sec miners being the prime example. So my thought is this, how can it be unacceptable for high sec miners but fine for ships with no reasonable counter? Cloakies should be penalised for going afk. Scanner probes with a long scan time and the ability to get hits on cloaked vessels could be a possible mechanic to counter the problem of afk cloakers. Anyways well done for what I still consider to be perfect skirmish tactics but maybe we should start looking into killing off the afk aspect of this game.
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Sour grapes.
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I have yet to see anyone killed by someone who is cloaked and AFK.
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Use of "AFK" is really just because we all know that most long duration system cloakers are AFK. In reality though, the presence of the cloak means that the cloaker is effectively "at keyboard" at all times since there is no way to actively probe or watch him.
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You are a hero.
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Remove local and then your cloaky in local problem goes away, your balls might drop to ;)
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There are still more Tengus to kill.
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Botters must die. And die repeatedly.I like how you adapt to a powerful game mechanic called local. AFK cloaky alts might be a unsavoury method of doing it due to the fact that you project power when you are not playing, but I don't see another solution.Carebears must die. This one is definitely bias on my part.
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The real reason your complaining about this problem is that 'afk cloakers' as you call them are not really AFK as much as you'd like. They are in fact people hunting your bearish ways trying to reap some sweet KM's off unsuspecting or unintelligent ratters.
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This warms heart. Merry Christmas everyone!
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Obviously, although that is not what I said. Please read my post again.
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You assume I am "bearish" even though my name clearly states my carrier path in Eve online. I am not complaining, merely stating a concern. You have also missed the point of my post, of course I realise they are not afk all the time but when they are, they still achieve tangible goals: this should not be the case.
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wow another propaganda versus -A- and NCdot
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Just goes to show that when you log on and see thirty or forty thousand players logged in there are really about half that in actual people. Match multiple accounts up with the botters up with the synchtube article and you see a pretty telling picture of Alts online.
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Wow another person who thinks successful scams and attacks on-A- and NCdot counts as propaganda. Go reread the failur cascade article and realizing you're rationalizing please
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If you want to address the "problem with afk cloakers", perhaps you could start by defining exactly what the problem actually is.If an AFK cloaker is indeed AFK, then they're no threat to anybody. If they're not AFK then they're not AFK cloaking. I would also ask what you would do about people docked in a station (whether afk or not) - there's not counter for that either.For more on my take on the "problem", see here: http://themittani.com/features...
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I strongly disagree with your assesment of the situation in relation to that article."Scanner probes with a long scan time and the ability to get hits on cloaked vessels"Bad idea that, it would just encourage ratters to seed probes around the system (as cheap as they are you can re-seed them each time they disappear), effectively afk-probing and making any kind of cloaky camp (afk and non-afk) virtually impossible.Bottom line is, these "people" the author targeted were ratting in anomalies and belts. Ratting in them, you KNOW the risks, and it is up to you to fit & pilot your ship accordingly. He was not even using covert ops ships for tackle ! Any halfway decently organized outfit should be able to fight off what is essentially a solo operation, especially when using tengus ! Tanking anomalies is easy, not even talking about belts, and you can afford a PVP outfit without sacrificing the all-important DPS (filling that EM hole anyone ?).TLDR: Dead Ratting Tengus, Best Tengus
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I'm not impressed. Not even a little.You only win because of using a ton of alts and accounts, which is nothing special. Killing bots is nothing special; using afk cloaky is nothing special as well. Being successful via Multi accounts is again nothing special.I like it if bots died, but this doesn’t make you a hero. I’m not a ratter or carebear, but I still disagree with the mechanic of multi accounts and the use of afk cloaks.
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Uhh... you know, I sorta feel the same way, but...I'm a bit surprised the "victims" didn't do better with their self defense.Anyway, CCP has set up a game where predators can live off RPG players, and that's what happens. Pretty unique, I guess.
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No, the guy really needs to get a life.
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Yes you make a good point here although I must say that docking in null sec is impossible unless you allow it, therefore it doesn't apply to this scenario. As I said previously, I realise they are not afk all the time but as Spork says, they are effectively at keyboard even when they are not.
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I agree my suggestion may not be a perfect solution although with regards to your concerns the probes could be tech 2 and therefore specialised making them very expensive. Perhaps even a tech 2 ship with the role bonus would be necessary. Also the scan time could be anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour and would create a new dynamic to cloak warfare. As I said: lets start looking into ways to kill off the afk aspect of the game. Yes these guys were completely incompetent (I assumed at first he was using a cyno to call in reinforcements) hence I congratulated the author.
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I would suggest that docking does apply in this situation - the AFK cloakers cannot be touched while they remain cloaked (unless they get bumped), while the local populace and anybody else they allow cannot be touched while they remain docked (currently with no exception). The AFK cloakers are the only ones who can't dock unless they are in NPC space (or their own but nobody complains about that).Therefore, if you have some method of decloaking people who are cloaked on the basis that there needs to be a way to force interaction with them, the same reasoning would apply to people who are docked.EVE Online is a multiplayer game where you have to deal with other players, particularly in nullsec (or wormholes). AFK cloakers are simply doing you the service of reminding you of that fact.
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Making them T2 (or T3, or expensive in any way) wouldn't address anything, look at T3 cruisers and Titans. The issue as I see it is that you have a "solution" that is missing a "problem". Any problemless solution in a sandbox system will only ever introduce new problems of its own while not actually solving anything.

This is a guest story written by Amaethon of TEST Alliance.

The story starts in Vale of the Silent in April. The TEST BlackOps group was deployed to the region.  Raiden was the current owner of the region and was renting out a lot of systems using their renter alliance Rolling Thunder.  If you looked at Dotlan at the time, Vale had some of the most NPC kills out of any Null-sec region; this made it a prime candidate for killing ratters.  I started off investigating the BUG6-X constellation (Which has 7 solar systems) and was seeing ~12-16hrs of ratting occurring by the same group of Tengus. I decided to roll out 4 neutral cloaky alts to camp the systems.

The original cloaky campers used Rifters with a cloak.  They took about 2 days to train to be useful, however after a few engagements, I ended up going with Punishers because of their great multi-damage tank.  I would log the alts on after downtime every day in all the systems of BUG6-X and keep them logged on.

The ratters in the BUG6-X constellation quickly decided the 2-3 day old neutral alts were no threat and started ratting with them in system.  Using this opportunity, I employed the help of Boghes and Funkyfr3sh to kill any Tengus I could point with my alts. This lead to many successful kill mails, like this one.

Eventually, the ratters stopped ratting when my alts were logged in, and at the end of the month, stopped logging in entirely.
At this point in time, I was pretty thrilled with the killmails and I was making millions of ISK in loot.  I decided to expand my cloaky army fleet to around 10 alts and moved them into the YUT3-U constellation.  Each system had 24hrs of ratting activity with 2-4 Tengus at a time.  The ratters in this constellation also decided it would be a good idea to rat with my alts in system, which again lead to many a killmail.

About midway through the slaughter, the constellation's residents hired a couple of mercenaries, who started fitting bait Tengus to try and kill me. Even though they killed one of my hurricanes, they couldn’t stop me.  After the fifth Tengu kill, the CEO of the corp Invited me to a conversation. He asked me how much ISK it would take for me to leave. At this point, I hadn’t really contemplated extortion, but after reading a bit about some of the other TEST members adventures with extortion, I figured I’d give it a try.  I told him it would cost them 25bil for the entire constellation.  They negotiate a bit and I eventually convinced them to pay 1bil every day for 20 days for me to leave indefinitely.  He agreed.  This was my first extortion and it boggled my mind how easy it was and how much ISK I could make.  I quickly ran out ten more alts (making a total of twenty) and started parking them all over Vale.  I charged, on average, 3bil per system but varied the price depending on the amount of ratting activity.  Most systems were pushovers and after a couple more kills, the residents were usually happy to pay me.

I did encounter one group of very resistant ratters.  These guys replaced the original BUG6-X constellation occupants and their friends in the DMXN constellation.  They would not pay and, while most of the other renters seemed to be botters who wouldn’t shoot back when tackled, these guys were confusingly active.  They would have ~20 characters log on at the same time every day and would rat for 8-10hrs.  Anything approaching 10 hours of ratting every single day seems beyond normal human capability to me, so I assumed it was some sort of Chinese ISK farming operation.  They were very stubborn, and it actually tested my logistics and PVP ability to kill them.  They started firing multiple types of ammo at me when I got tackle on them, making it much harder to tank in my little Punisher. They would also warp other ratters in the system to help pilots I had tackled, which made them very hard targets to kill. Another issue was that they started warping to safe spots whenever I entered the entrance system. To top it off, they added all my alts/PVP characters to their watch list, so they were constantly aware of when I was online. However, I wasn’t going to give up so easily. First, I bought a 2nd PVP character (Pilot 90).  I then installed two POSes, one in the 3HX system and one in the X97D system (two systems they did not have ratters in but that gave me access to many of their ratting systems).  I had Amaethon and Pilot 90 in carriers with various ships in their ship maintenance arrays.  I started jumping to the POSes, ejecting ships, and jumping to them from the carriers.  I would then get the tackle with my cloaky alts and jump the PVP characters in for the kill.  This strategy proved to be effective and led to these kills.

After about a month of me camping/killing them, they started using Vindicators to rat. This presented a new challenge, but I eventually managed to snag some of them.
These Vindicator losses seemed to be the last straw and they dropped their renting contract, stopped logging in with some characters, and moved to Solar Citizens.  I didn’t get any ISK from them, but at this point I had extorted tens of billions of ISK from various Vale renters and had received billions of ISK in loot.

This brings us to BlackOps deploying to –A- space.  I had a pretty solid system in place at this point for my AFK cloakies.  I had twenty characters running most of the time and they had their own unaffiliated corp (Rudeltaktik) so it was easy to grab replacement ships from the corp hangar of stations I was basing out of.  I sent my 20 alts all over New Eden, from Tenerifis and Immensea, too Impass and beyond.  While these regions only provided a few kills, I was able to extort a LOT of ISK out of the –A- renters.  My extortion and AFK camping led to this email from AAA leadership:

Gentlemens,

As you know, Test is trying to black mail [sic] many of you like school yard [sic] bullies. Just like these bullies they are full of threatening words and not a lot of muscle. If you pay them, you just encourage them to get more aggressive and brazen and ask for more. They will stay longer because you just showed them that it pays to harass you. If you get extorted, come to us (Mr Ozzy/ Theng Hofses) and we will do what we can to address the situation.

In all likelihood, their pressure will increase and they will become more forceful. Let us know when that happens and we will do what we can do to help you. As you know we deal on a fair and equitable basis with you. As you all know Test and Goons have a reputation treachery and dishonesty [sic]. If it is any consolation, we are having several alliances wreak havoc on Fountain and Period Basis and extort a by far greater blood tool on their renters than they on you [sic].

If you have paid to TEST and their henchmen http://evewho.com/corp/Rudeltaktik , come forward, and we are working [sic] with you to solve the issue. Do not collaborate with the enemy.

Regards Oz

I also ran into another branch of the same outfit that was operating in the BUG-X constellation.  I think it was some sort of empire because there was a “CEO” I had to talk to and none of the other employees were allowed to negotiate with me.  The single point of contact made it easy for me to extort them. I ended up receiving over 60bil from this single corporation alone.

I eventually had made the rounds of pretty much every –A- and NC. renter. I thought about going to Solar space and starting my extortion there, But due to the size of the drone regions, I decided against it.
So after 3 months of tireless scamming and extortion, I docked up my Punishers and Cynabals, dropped my subscriptions on the other accounts, collected all my ISK, and bought an Avatar.

(Note: The names of the people extorted have been removed due to ongoing contact with them)

And that is how –A- and NC. paid for TEST's newest Titan.

 

Hi, My name is Targie. I've done everything from High-sec wars, to Low sec Pirating; from Wormholes to 0.0 wars. I'm currently in TEST alliance, where I annoy my corp. mates with bad stories. Follow me on twitter . @TargieMcRed for article updates.