How to Achieve Semi-Passive Income

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"In the real world, poor people work and rich folk do not".No, I don't think so. In the U.S. The poor people sit on there asses and collect EBT, SSI, Welfare, cell phones, and in some states cars! Keep spitting out kids, the state gives them more money. The middle income and rich are supporting the poor and lazy. Get your facts straight.
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Fully passive income just means everything including PLEX will get more expensive. Something everybody gets by ease is irrelevant at all!
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I have a fully passive in-come.
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"In the real world, poor people work and rich folk do not (or at least don’t in any way that generates an income tax form for the Infernal Revenue “Service”)" Uhmmm what?"The top 10 percent of taxpayers paid over 70% of the total amount collected in federal income taxes in 2010" Just because it doesn't come in the form of a W2 doesn't mean that we don't pay taxes.Another way to look at it is, 90% of People in the real world slog along doing meaningless things and thus only a fraction of their efforts to the common good, this sad total only makes up 30% of the income that the federal government needs.Not all surprisingly, this article is somewhat a symptom of why the "poor" are indeed poor. The entire article is devoted to making income without much effort or without the use of much intelect. Its also exactly why all of the methods will only return average incomes at best.If you want to make a lot of isk in eve do the same thing that you would do in the real world, 1) find like minded people to accomplish a goal 2) work hard at it 3) be smart and practice having good timing 4) when dealing with others try to understand their motivators 4) work hard at working smart 5) Don't hate others for what they have achieved, don't hate yourself for the lack of achievement, rather stop pretending that you have earned more than you have an start thinking about how to earn more. The hatred is going to hold you back.All the best,Former Poor Scrub who got tired of being poor
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Sort of: The annoyingly poor get handouts and don't work...The amazing rich let their money work for them, and don't work...Which leaves the middle-income guy doing all the work!I firmly believe you can measure the "health" of any economy by the proportion of people that are middle-income... The more, the healthier!
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And he didn't even mentioned Character trading in Eve-Forums.
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I can't believe it took you that long to say bootstraps.
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Another article basically summarizing a few wiki pages with no further experience or insight offered. Aside from the political trolling at the beginning, there's nothing the author added at all.I think he should add another section titled 'Writing Articles for TMC' since apparently this mediocrity is acceptable.
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Gankers do value ISK Efficiency. You cannot take down a fully tanked Procurer without spending more ISK than the vessel is worth.I suggest using multiple alts each in a fully tanked Procurer if you want to AFK Ice mine. Don't risk an Orca or a freighter in the belt, just dock up and dump the ice in station.Have them orbit the iceberg in long orbits. Do not taunt the gankers, or even mention them. You can easily learn what systems the New Order is doing enforcement in by going to their website, www.minerbumping.com. They are currently hitting Caldari ice belts. Another option is to just swallow your pride and pay for a permit from them, 10m ISK per year and a bio note is cheap.
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If i made a MMO all income would be passive, you engineer your asteroid mining operation and what not in a fashion that is like a more complex PI. PvP or your ability to manage hundreds of bases is where your effort comes in.If you want you can check on it every 15 minutes for optimal efficiency or leave it running for a week and hope someone didn't blow it up.Thats the flaw in most MMO's is they focus around making you do something boring to do something kinda fun.
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Bootstraps' BootstrapsOn a lighter note, TL;DR is that Saiphas_Cain is a Liberal while SpaceRomney is a Conservative. Those that are still too young or immature enough to under stand the reference:- Liberal: wants to sit around pointing fingers at others more fortunate than themselves. This person believes that the government should pay them for protesting while they sit around, jobless, complaining that they have nothing. Liberals think they are patriots, but complain when others think they are not. Examples: Job-less Carebears, Job-less Station Spinners.- Conservative: wants to work for a living/ for the reputation/ for any other reason, rather than sit around and be a lazy bum. (yes, conservatives think liberals are all lazy bums. ask one sometime.) This person believes that hard work and dedication will pay off in the long run. Examples: Logistics, FCs, CEOs/Leadership, Miners, PI experts, Manufacturing, Capsuleers who play the market for big returns.
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also, ratting in a carrier makes uber lewt.up to 500mil a day depending on drops and salvage...
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For genuine passive income nothing comes close to PI. You can't get much lazier than 4 day cycles. ATM your planetary bases can't be attacked so the worst case scenario you can see is a change in CO ownership which raises your taxes or locks you out. On a same account alt you can have a PI toon trained to 4 with amar industrial 3 in about a week with the noob bonus. Customs Office Khan is a close second place. Aside from the initial shootout it's a license to print isk in a good region. Closest thing to Mining With Guns we have today. Begging or buying level 4 mission wrecks is not to be underestimated either. While not quite AFK you've got 2 hours so you're not that stressed and the noctis makes it a hella lot easier than what it used to be.
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Agree 101%. The poor in any system (barring extremes) are poor because of their own negative attitude. Even in wonderful places such as Greece or Tunisia you have people that finished college and made names for themselves.
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Ratting in a carrier makes uber loot- sometimes deadspace hardeners, or officer cap rechargers. Plus the killmails good.
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Why not just do the level 4 missions yourself, a six month old character in a battleship can do them easily.
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PFF to mutch work. Get a alt. Talk to cribba. Sent your little sister to sweden and wait for 100 bil.
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Datacore farming nowa days gives around 3-4m per month per agent.....
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Yeah, that's what I read. I didn't do a complete evaluation of the markets though, but from what I read, it got HEAVILY nerfed, no? There's uh... What, some EVE Central website that spits out monthly profit per agent, right?
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Hey Guys,Let's talk about politics!
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but seriously who gives a shit about people dying when they aren't even worth caring about. As long as the people of their country are not interested in the welfare of other people the leaders of that country will not put effort into saving other people in other nations. THAT is what's up brah. We don't care. Period
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Humorously enough, I'm actually politically Liberal but fiscally Conservative. I'm doing far better than most of my local acquaintances because my wife and I are in fact working to eliminate our debt, from which the interest will nearly always outpace the interest of any savings or investment. As a Murrican' I'm a little pissed that "Conservatives" brand themselves as such while letting outdated dogma about religion and fear dictate their political views.I'm just glad you didn't label me a Space Libertarian ;)
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When the shootable customs offices came out I shied away from it figuring it was going to be a constant war for that passive income stream. In waiting for things to settle down I guess I forgot about them!
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Or just stick it on your Bio and don't pay anything ...
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Datacores are now worthless and not worth the effort, you would earn at most 160-180 k per r&d slot with level 5 mech data skill and such.This is because fw allow datacore /lp redemption now.
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Hmm maybe I was too blunt with my initial statement. What I wanted to say was that success is possible in any environment and from any point on the social and economic ladder.
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How to achieve fully passive income : join PL
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Well, let's see... wait several months and run the missions myself, or be salvaging and looting them after less than one month.Hmm. I wonder what advantage the latter method has.
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if you want to succeed in the libertarian dystopia that is EVE online do two things, learn to scam and make it look like you aren't and learn to convince people to give you money for nothing, both are difficult, but ultimately you have to know what opportunity is, for example, this guy made 125 mil for copy pasting wiki pages
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The people have less control over a distinct corporation's actions than an elected, centralized government. That's the primary issue with letting corporations determine how money is redistributed. A corporation will, rightfully so, look to it's best interests over the intentions of outsiders that have no stake in the corporation's future. The American government has the same mindset to a lesser degree, but since most officials are elected the affect is thankfully tempered.
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I am confused - who was this article meant for? Total Newbs would be better off with detailed guides such as the one from Mabrick on PI (http://mabricksmumblings.blogs... which I disagree with but at least its detailed enough to give real information) or to experienced players who already know (of) most of this?Well written but missing the mark.
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Effect, not affect. I haven't had my coffee yet.
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Pray their accountants are drunk.
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Spoken like a true Capsuleer. Let us all commit genocide in an anomaly for great justice.

CCP representatives note that they strive to create multiple income sources in EVE, but they do not want fully passive income. The intent, of course, is to generate at least some involvement and “gameplay” with every ISK-earning action. In the real world, poor people work and rich folk do not (or at least don’t in any way that generates an income tax form for the Infernal Revenue “Service”). In EVE, it’s easier to earn millions quickly since you can get paid for wholesale murder. This is much harder to pull off in the … I can’t type that with a straight face. It is very easy to get paid for wholesale murder in the real world, but in EVE you don’t have to deal with the moral quandaries since it’s just a game. Even then, it’s the people pulling the strings and putting in minimal effort for maximal return who make the real money.

The activities I'm going to describe won’t make you a space Romney on their own, but they will allow you to build income without having to ride the keyboard at all times. They will also build value while you’re AFK. Since you train while logged off, I see no reason not to make ISK while logged off as well.

Scamming

Scamming is a small niche, where if everyone were doing it all the time, no one would make any money at it. It’s also generally illegal in real life, but not in EVE with a few exceptions. Being a real-world crime, it requires a certain set of proclivities:

  • Mens rea (mental state): You intend to defraud another player.
  • Actus reus  (the act itself): “Titan for sale!”

At a bare minimum, scamming requires at least a passing understanding of game mechanics. The better you understand the system and the poorer the intended victim does, the better your chances of success. Allow me to interject here: I’ve never attempted a scam, so I’m no authority on it, but I’ve played a scammer on TV, which is why you should buy my Titan! That's not a very effective pitch, is it?

Most scams revolve around recruitment, sale of vaporware, or sale of deceptively mislabeled goods, but the first two require a certain je ne sais quois to pull off. Even dealing with people in a virtual environment requires a minimum of understanding of social cues and triggers. You don’t have to hide a poker face, but you do have to avoid as many tells as possible that would signal the mark they’re about to be had. Even so, I can’t count the number of after-scam interviews where the victim says something like, “I knew it was a scam but I did it anyway.” This sounds deceptively like hindsight bias to me.

Scamming can be very hit or miss, with scammers searching for marks and working the deal over extended periods, so the actual ISK/hour equation is impossible to calculate with any accuracy. Suffice it to say that the really big scams have been in the billions for only a few hours' effort at most. It also requires selling a lie, and it’s not something everyone can pull off. If you find the right mark at the right time or even properly weasel yourself into a position of leadership in an unsuspecting corporation, you actually can become a space Romney overnight. Much like real life, “breeding” is a gene-pool lottery. It’s a lot about luck to find those marks. Most of your scores will not set you up for life, and many will require an accomplice since two liars seem to be more believable than one for some reason.

  • Investment requirement: Pure moonshine.

  • Training time: None in game unless character skills are needed to make the scam believable.

  • Risk: Fairly minimal unless you care about your reputation.

Speaking of time, although I have a supercarrier coming out of production in three days, my contacts tell me TEST is set to bulldoze the area in a week on some damned crusade for “gudfites” or something. Bottom line: I need to move the thing the hell out as soon as it’s ready, and I don’t have anywhere to park the thing so…

Mining

Mining is considered a fairly passive income because people are accused of doing it AFK all the time. Given the time needed to pull in ore, you certainly can leave the keyboard for a few minutes at a time and not really miss anything. With ore mining, there’s more involvement as those asteroids will deplete quickly, requiring targeting another one. With ice mining, you can sit there for an hour until your ore hold fills because the ice chunks are never depleted (they could deplete, I suppose… I’ve never seen it happen, and I’m not about to waste time trying to prove a negative). If you’re mining in Caldari space, there are also the Guristas who aren’t any more of a threat than any other pirates except they use ECM. As a result, when you’re in a Caldari space ice field, you really can’t walk away for an hour at a time, or you’re liable to come back with four ice blocks in your 35,000 m3 hold and nothing targeted.

Mining is certainly less intensive than combat, and if your ship is well tanked, you can pull it off even with the poorest connections. Regarding ganks, it’s not worth worrying about them. Even if you are at the keyboard, the gankers come into it in high-sec knowing they’re going to lose their ship and with friends intending to destroy your barge anyway, so there’s probably not a lot you can do even if you are watching when it happens. Failed ganks can be entertaining to see, especially when it’s someone who didn’t bother to scan you and discovers the damage control and resist gear a little too late. That did happen to me once. Even so, never be smug; the gank that fails with one destroyer will work with two or three. It’s all a numbers game. If you do feel like adding insult to injury, though, be sure to have some salvage drones in your bay to loot and salvage the wreck, and then beat feet. They’ll probably come back pissed at that point.

Given the recent changes to mining barges, ganks have become increasingly rare as it takes far more effort to destroy certain barges and exhumers in high security space before CONCORD kills your ship. More effort means more people involved in the hit in this case. Setting up your ship for resilience instead of pure mining speed will help and may deter certain ganks, but there is no way to prevent them entirely.

One bonus of mining is you don’t have to be paying attention at every moment. That means if you have the proper skills trained, you can be managing PI or the market while stripping asteroid fields.

  • Investment requirement: None to begin because they give you a Venture. It's about 200 million ISK for a fitted Mackinaw at the moment.

  • Training time: Depends on how far you take it. You can start from the first few noobie missions in a Venture and go into mining barges and exhumers in two to three months.

  • Risk: Minimal in high-sec to begin with, but mining barges and then exhumers get progressively more expensive, and losing one to a gank before it’s paid for itself is frustrating in time and ISK lost.

Where am I? What Plane/Mech/Tank/Ship am I in?