The Fall of Innia

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Death to all super... wait
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How about we try.. Death to all squids?
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"The dust is still settling" I'm using this phase for DUST 514 from now on.
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Well, Dust 514 has certainly been moving downwards, but I think it's the players who have been "settling".
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Inna has fallen and Scylus has prolly been popped a few times. Good day people, good damn day indeed.
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I told you so
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Hmm IMO the banner image for this battle actually looks like a space battle, as opposed to the usual images of eve battles that look like giant balls of ships blapping each other.
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Wow no one in CalMil saw this coming at all... Oh wait.Now that you frogs have no one to fight again, come back to Enaluri and get #rekt
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Where?
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Timing was very unfortunate for this. A lot of Caldari pilots just weren't online over the day the offensive started (decent weather may have led many to play the obscure game known as 'Outside') and logged in Tuesday afternoon to see Innia down to 90% already. At that point all that was left to do was start the evacuation.That said, the Gallente Militia is certainly on a great roll at the moment. They are internally cohesive and have recently seen the addition of a great alliance of experienced players and FCs who have just returned to the warzone (SOTF). They also have a significant numbers advantage. Discounting the TEST corps, the top 8 Gal corps currently have roughly 1000 pilots while the top 8 Caldari corps only have 560. Total militia numbers, again discounting TEST: the Gallente have 5850 pilots to the Caldari's 3550. Even with the three largest CalMil groups working well together it seems very likely that the Gallente will sweep most of the warzone with relative ease in the coming month.Two things might happen to stem the tide: either a major consolidation of Caldari forces into a more formal coalition or internal difficulties or burnout in the Gallente coalition. I'm not sure how plausible either possibility is in the immediate future.Fortunately, the great thing about faction warfare is that territorial control isn't a pre-requisite for good fights.
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Laughable topic for article . Check Amarr/Minmatar FW zone - Lulm fallen and as far as i was told i never was in Amarr hands EVER. And it was also home for many minmatar alliances.That is bigger deal and not even mentioned. But Innia that was taken barely year one earlier ? Cmon ...
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"IT never was in Amarr hands EVER" ... typo
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Add pirate factions to FW \o/
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As a Caldari pilot (MBLOC) I will be the first to admit that the Gals have been in top form over the past few months. They outnumbered, outorganized, and out PVP'ed us. The Gal assualt on Caldari space was a masterpiece of how Eve is played and I have the deepest respect for the Gallente pilots involved.However, I take issue with this article's mention of BORG. BORG was once a major group in the Caldari militia but has largely collapsed due to the megalomaniac tendencies of a certain member. They were a complete non-entity in this battle reduced to occasionally and ineffectually camping the station. To suggest that they deserve credit for the fall of Innia is an insult to the tireless efforts of the Gallente.And I'll admit, despite the symbolic defeat at Innia (and the less symbolic but more painful loss of an L4 agent) the fact that I won't be doing those 140 AU warps anymore is a huge relief!
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Just because you weren't involved doesn't mean it wasn't a huge deal to those who were. If you have an issue with the Mittani's coverage that's fine, but for the hundreds if not thousands of pilots involved it was not a laughable topic.
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theres still rakapass yet
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he did:)
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No need to be hostile. If you have a story you'd like to see, drop us a line.
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It's a giant ball of ships, its just zoomed inThat's all
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Yes gallente faction is stronger at this moment.Morale in innia was preety low also due to borg applying pressure on the system.Vick leaving after losing battle to t2 frigs and some borg cruisers.Khan (borg ceo) spy alts destroying calmil fleets from inside.Eaven attempt to remove borg pos from system failed.Constant flow of gallente from eha, borg harrasing in innia, lost battles, lost morale, ppl leaving - it all adds up to calmil not being able to do much when the time came.Innia was lost before the fight started - it was just matter of time.
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I missed the actual last two days, but have been there for the last few months - when TEST actually tried to fight. It's been a blast gents.The number of kills in the Innia - Eha - OICX pipe over the last few months have been obscene. Some months you would need over 250-300 to be at the bottom of our top 10 in our corp alone. The corps themselves on both sides have been awesome, but there are always the few that do a huge amount of the heavy lifting. CEOs, plexers, logistics, FCs and in the case of some, just the flat out solo and small gang serial killers. Good on all of you bedrock guys that make this kind of warfare possible.As I said earlier I wish calmil would come take it back. I've had to fly more than 3 jumps to get fights the last few days. I demand my instant action back.
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"There have been numerous people leaving to go Pirate..." Godspeed you brave new Devils...
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Here Here!
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I will say this about CALSF. They never give up. Doesn't matter how many times you kill them, how many systems you kick them out of. They just keep coming back, again and again. Over the years I might have had some shit to talk about the piloting of some of their dudes, but I've never questioned their heart. o7 Would fight again... and again.That earlier 7 day siege of Innia that Scylus mentioned is accurate. We knew we were screwed on taking that system when our logistics guys came back at us on day 3 saying that Jita's market had collapsed on the goods we needed to keep the fleets up. We seriously underestimated the Caldari resolve to hold the system at that point, ran out of ships, and then couldn't replace them effectively in the numbers we needed, even from Jita. Was pretty much GG from that point on.
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Yeah, that's definitely not a screen from FW. No one, and I mean NO ONE in FW flies drakes. Not even the Caldari fly them, that's how bad they are for FW.
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also there's a bubble.
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Well, balls.
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Ok, you have had your fun with the training wheels, now find a 0.0 alliance and start training as 0.0 FCs
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Death to all super long warps
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I think they know where F1 is already man.If how TEST were is anything to go by - The only thing FW FC's can learn from Null Sec is how to be aspies.
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It is because the Amarr/Minny (aka The kiddie war zone) war zone is irrelevant in EvE.If you choose to stay in a pointless place - people will not notice you.
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Lol - Khan has no spys.The guy is a compulsive liar.He tried telling the same lies when he was in CalMil.You will learn this eventually.
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+1 Touché
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We did not want to take Innia without having somebody willing to hold it after it was taken. B O R G was willing to do this dirty work and renaming the system Borgland was the best way we could repay them.
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I think they have been crying for an Amarr/Minmatar correspondant for over a year.... maybe you could make some isk. just sayin...
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then write an article on it noone from that warzone is a writer for TMc as far as im aware so there would be an opening
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caldaris numbers ballooned to over 10k at one point but never complained about numbers then.......u never know ull probably get another injection of failed nulltards soon and theyll get ur tiers up like always
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Ok, really have to jump in here. I am a Templis pilot, and am decently active, so I think my perception is representative of calmil pilots in Innia. Morale in Innia was not low due to BORG harassing the system. At all. Their influence was negligible at best. 2 nados sitting on the undock and popping genmil is not a concern for any competent pilot. BORG is a shadow of what it was, and the 3 members that do things are... well, three members.Khan destroying fleets from inside? Wat? No words. Not true. Maybe a genmil fleet or something, but this did not happen in any organized fleet that I'm aware of. Templis fleets try not to draw from genmil to much, so maybe this is a perception bias.Attempting to remove the pos... This has been embellished, and the events are not notable, but let's lay em out. I can speak directly to this one; I was there! We had a cruiser fleet that had just returned to Innia from a ranging, and we decided to go take a shot at the BORG pos for fun seeing as we were already dolled up and ready for the big dance. Waffles showed up in a Talos fleet, killed a bunch of us (as they tend to do), and we docked up for the night. Then for months Khan would laugh, missing the fact that there was no mobilized effort to take it down in the first place, which is why it was never attempted again; no one gave a fuck about 3 BORG members in a pos.Really want to emphasize Mblock pilots point, Borg was not a player in the fall of Innia. JustK gets props, Vil accords gets props, sic dragons get props, monkeys with guns get props, and anyone else I'm forgetting gets props. Fuck, even Maxine gets props for being pro station camper. Borg gets no props for the fall of Innia. Credit given where it's due.
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Well looking at borg killboard I see around 1250 kills and 45bil damage done in innia and around - so if it is just 3 members then I would say they did better than you. With 83 kills in march You should not eaven say anything - these are not active eve player stats for such a big alliance like templis - with resources and big fleets that number should be 10 times higher. Actually it looks like templis has only 2 times more isk destroyed than borg - if You say borg has only 3 active members then I would take them over templis anytime.
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HUOLA WILL NEVER FALL!
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I am with Templis and flew for a few hours in the innia defense during ETZ as things started heating up. Both sides gave a good fight numbering in at around 50v50 in the plexes - even if we lost in the end it seemed like not everything was lost at that time.I do want to give a big shoutout to Mira Devorsha (HEIIAN), who was doing an excellent job of FCing and keeping the frogs at bay.
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Who's complaining? I'm giving an explanation for the current situation. It would be ridiculous to ignore the present imbalance when trying to understand why a major system fell, just like it would have been ridiculous to ignore numbers when explaining why CalMil were on the offensive in December and January.
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Why? Null is an awful place with little room for small independent corps or alliances and far less small gang and solo PvP than FW. Most of us in FW have absolutely no interest in fighting battles in 10% TiDi and do not think that having bigger numbers on the field equals more fun.
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I think this is overstating things. The people they frustrated were generally genmil pilots who didn't know how to handle station camps, or newbros who took it as a lesson, and bettered themselves as a result. Speaking only from the templis perspective, they did not soften us up in any meaningful way, because their tactics were not directed towards those who knew how to handle these situations; they preyed on the weak, and were successful in this regard.What did soften us up was dealing with the constant presence of plexing fleets, even prior to the offensive proper. It was FC burnout. It was logistics struggling to keep Innia stocked. It was external drama seeping into templis fleets. It was not some newbro getting plucked off the undock every now and again. Mbloc pilot was right I think: Innia would have fallen in the same manner had Borg not been there at all.Even before the offensive started in earnest, we were still dealing with JustK and friends living next door in Eha, so it's really not like BORG was doing anything that other alliances weren't doing, they were just doing it less effectively, with less pilots, with more boasting (a lot more, at least the rest of the Gallente seem capable of common sense, manners, and politeness), and limiting their attacks to a station undock.I'm not trying to say that they didn't do anything, nor am I trying to extend my own personal experiences beyond myself and my team, but I speak truly when I say that they did not have any significant effect on our morale. Other groups in galmil were much more influential in this regard, even if it was not the result of a intended assault.
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Come join HERO in Catch. Small gang and solo for days... btw the solo PvPers here fit stuff in most of their high slots and sometimes even fire upon the enemy.
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Innia was lost because I left Caldari. All there is to it.
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In all seriousness. Gratz to the Gallente for taking Innia, even though you guys have ruined this system. It's no fun anymore b/c everyone left since the flip. Only people left are BORG and I'm married to one of their members and having a gay affair with it's leader so I can hardly shoot at them can I?
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To the Caldari that fought in Innia, thanks for the fights. We expected it to take a lot longer and rack up a lot more kills, but it is what it is. Thanks to those that agreed to help keep Innia for a couple of weeks before we deployed down to push it, else we probably wouldn't have bothered taking it. And as always, a great big thanks to those that help on the Logistical side. Without ships there is no pew.
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Innia was lost when TEST redeployed to Otsela. gg.
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It's funny, but I *like* being on the losing side. There's just something appealing about being the underdog. That's why I've been Caldari for years and intend to stay that way.
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And, to my understanding, stole billions of ISK in assets?
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Null is great PvP for a small handful of alliance leaders and FCs. Everybody else is just there to press F1. If *you* want to take *your* training wheels off come to Faction War and experience actual PvP where individual pilots can win or lose the battle for their fleet.
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Nonsense. The militia held Innia months before TEST joined, and held it months after the vast majority of its members left. Give some credit to the Gals for their hard work.
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Is this the same borg that was created by ex-AAA corp The Collective, who attempted to do nullsec on their own then failed and had most of their original members migrate to NCdot, is this THAT borg?
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Yes.. but back then we left the game to drink more and just simply leave the game alone.
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We the Collective,B O R G. are only around 10 active.... more like semi active. My first 40 days back into the game I killed around 550-600 Caldaries around Innia/EHA/oicx.When we started invading Innia there where alwayes over 40-60 active in Innia. We killed your moral!
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Haha "Team Game" (insert obligatory swearing). My alliance was ostracized from Gal Fed because the leadership behaved like children. Spent months without access to intel channels, we still helped them in good faith, and the cowards never returned the favor. The cowards made us BOS (blob-on-sight) because they can't deal with us any other way.Such a load of garbage.
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LOL - All Khan did was fill my tear bucket on the rare occasion I would pass through Innia.The only thing that was softened here is the spot in your heart you have for Khan.
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You only think Borg played a part because you are Khan.Self promotion and lies are your thing.
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You didn't complain man. You never do.But you are a lot bigger person than many in your Militia.Others complained a lot.
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That's what you get for being a Khan pet.
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Umm no. The top Caldari Corp had like 20 members and 1/2 of those are alts.But I think they left FW.
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Innia fell because TEST effectively left, just as it rose because TEST was there, everything else was details
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So much rubbish about BORG. - 1, BORG had nothing to do with Caldari Losing Innia. Nothing at all. They have caused some problems to the Caldari since leaving no-one can deny this. 2, Caldari lost Innia for a couple of reasons, Gallente was on the ball worked together and just got on with it. Caldari did not have the stock of ships to keep up with how fast Gallente could reship, Caldari let the system to get to around 60% due to they all had the idea that " Someone else will do it later " I keep Hearing about vick well vick was a good FC but he was a Roaming FC rather than dealing with plexing fleets ECT Mnemic left. Gavin left Cyrus has real life stuff going on. There is no FCs left.Gall deserve's everything they have at the moment. Caldari will start doing well again, When the Farmers switch.Good luck to the Gallente - Caldari get off your ass and do something
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My apologies then. All I saw while I was in system was squids getting camped in their own station by B O R G and not really out and about defending plexes. Must be sampling error on my part. The average numbers of pilots in Innia must have dropped considerably before the offensive for a variety of other reasons.
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Don't believe the loose gossip Cal Pilot my good man. I came out with no more than I put in.Also +1 to what "OpionionsOpinions" said.
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I'd not personally put "Vick" "Good" & "FC" in the same sentence. He was "ok" at best. That said he was very charismatic and fun to fly with regardless. Oh how I miss those mini-rages.
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I brought 3 JF loads of attrition frigs/dessies into Eha for the "fight" and only participated for 1 night. At least I will be well stocked with supplies for the next contested system.
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Innia was a fortress long before TEST came along. TEST was just taking advantage of the isk making opportunities in FW, nothing more and nothing less.
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I believe you are mistaking Kane for Vicktor Hark, Southlive, and Festus. Kane left months before this started and Vice or Mira D something or other tried to steal as many members from their corp as he could. Southlive, Festus, Leoline made their own corp from what was left of the members, it was a strong corp I will give them that, and a few months later South decided to do the same thing he has done countless times and screw over the corp with Vicktor and Festus helping. It was called from the beginning it would happen but no one ever listens until it is too late.
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In my opinion, the reason this happened is quite noticeable whether in Calmil or not. All of the FC's have gotten tired of nasty attitudes and wannabe FC's welping fleets- and LEFT!!!!! The only FC people mention now is Mira DeVorsha. Although I'm happy he steps up to the plate and represents HEICON, he should not be categorized as an "FC". The fall of Innia might have been avoided had there been another person besides him.
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It is easy to comment when you don't know what your talking about ...Next time put your real name
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Would of been easy to avoid if people stared joining fleets Gallente fleet 70. Caldari fleet 50. I logg off Caldari fleet 20. . I cant FC 24 hours a day.
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Does the truth sting a little? Seems so. I DO know what I'm talking about, seen it first hand as an FC and LEFT.
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Lmfao, Cant even put your name. Well done. Enjoy Sir.
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Well this is an interesting read after all this time...where to start...1) I left because calmil failed to reship quicker than galmil in a fight on INNIA station (our fucking HQ) and galmil did from eha >.>2) I never stole a penny personaly from Stronghold (cant speak for southlive and Festus)3) "Vicks roaming FC" simply not true considering when Talons OF Blood alliance first moved to innia it was to suppot templis in holdng the system and I spent 5 hours FC'ing a frig and dessy gang winning plexes against Galmil, also I FC'd alongside gavin goodridge for several days when galmil made another push for the system.4) I said to several people just before I left galmil would make a push for innia to which the reply was "We have enough pilots living here it will be fine) as for this talk of no ships stocked up thats wrong bloc had tons as did templis because a few days before this it was stocked up for a push on Eha calmil just failed to make an effort pure and simple (props to galmil for the effective push though)And lastly...can we please stop bring myself and BORG into everything thats ever gone wrong with Calmil theres plenty of blame to go around but I have to agree Scylus has held templis together and held innia for ages alone losing it now is no shame on them ust the rest of militia for still not working together after all the meetings and bullshit.Ah well I will be joining galmil in a few days so lets have some fun squids, fun where I blow you up as much as possible daily :D

[Editors Note: With an event this significant in Cal/Gal FW, no account would be complete without the input of Mira deVorsha, a prominent Caldari FC. Please refer to the second page of the article to see an updated version of the interview with Subsparx.]

Anyone who has earned their stripes in Cal/Gal factional warfare knows that Innia represents the power of the Caldari. The Gallente have tried more than once to force the Caldari from this famous system, but the Caldari militia always brought strong numbers and repulsed all plexing attempts. On April 1st, though, the Gallente finally succeeded. To put things into historical context, Innia has been in Caldari hands since July 18 of last year; but even then this statistic is misleading; the July tenure under Gallente rule lasted only 4 bloody days. It would be more accurate to say that CalMil resolutely made Innia their home since late May - almost a full year - making this event something to remember.

The dust is still settling, but the mass exodus from Innia is largely beginning to die down. The rhetoric, however, is still in full swing. Recent GalMil defector B O R G seems intent on making sure the Caldari stay out of Innia, colloquially referring to Innia as "Borgland." While the battle for Innia is over, it's far from the end of the story.

In between victory laps around Innia station or jump freighter runs to the next Caldari stronghold, I sat down with leaders from each side of the war to hear what they had to say:

X Gallentius – CEO of Justified Chaos

Innia has been under fire many times in the past but hasn't been taken in quite a long while. What was different about this time around?

X Gallentius: Two things:

Lack of militia cohesion. Oicx was a big deal for many of the Caldari, and when others in militia didn't help them defend Oicx their cohesion fell apart. Their most active FC (Vyktor Hark) quit and moved on. The AUTZ guys in Enaluri who didn't help out said "I told you so" on the forums and message boards. Then the USTZ guys in Innia didn't help the AUTZ guys defend Enaluri either. So when the time came to defend Innia the USTZ guys in Innia didn't receive any help from their off-TZ counterparts.

Element of surprise. "We" (actually Yuri Antollare) started really pushing Innia late Sunday night (USTZ) and so we had a full day of plexing before their USTZ guys showed up to defend. Since Mondays are lower intensity days, we were able to win USTZ (our guys were active knowing this was going to be a big offensive). Then we finished it off the next day during EUTZ because we had stronger AU/EUTZ presence.

Innia has been regarded by many as a fairly annoying system to live and fight in, especially given its massive size. Any plans to get comfortable in Innia, or is this hostile takeover purely for the fun and fights?

X Gallentius: We are committed to holding Innia until the Caldari are settled into a different home system. We're actually doing them a favor since Innia is a cesspool of 100+ AU warps.

What is the morale and disposition of the general rank and file? Are people happy and proud to have taken Innia?

X Gallentius: Morale has been high for quite a while. Our guys are already moving on to other things.

What moments are you most proud of in your attack on Innia, and what do you wish you could have done differently?

X Gallentius: Well-planned attack. Timing was great. Executed very efficiently. No changes except maybe I would purchase fewer plexing ships next time. At least Eha will be well stocked for the foreseeable future. :)

OK, so you just punched "the squids" straight in the nose and made some waves. What's next?

 X Gallentius: Operational Security, man.

Anything else you'd like to add?

X Gallentius: It's a team game. The team (many different players from different corps and alliances) did a great job on all levels. But if I have to mention some guys they would be Yuri Antollare of JUSTK (a one man AUTZ wrecking machine), PERUNGA of SoTF and Dom Pender of Rapid Withdrawal who both spent a lot of time leading fleets over the course of the campaign.

Long time gamer, EVE noob - Raktak is earning his stripes in Faction Warfare and by occasionally getting ROLFSTOMPED by pirates. When not plexing and iHub bashing, Raktak hopes he's at least in the running for having the dumbest name in all of EVE.