The CSM Pre-Election & Unaffiliated Wormhole Votes

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Suggestion is a ploy to dilute votes. Vote all your accounts with the same line up in the same order for greatest effect.
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This isn't for the actual election, this is for the pre-election to determine the candidates for the actual voting. It has different rules.
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WAHT IS READ?!
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You are assuming no out-of-corp alts. You are also assuming that no other candidates will be deploying their voters to help decent candidates. And there is one twist that you may not know -- candidates will be told when they have reached the threshold (though they can keep that private if they want).
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Doesn't really matter as the goal is that 200 votes initially, if you can guarantee that you're already on the second round. Had CCP's system been so that the 28 candidates who get the most votes, are guaranteed a spot, then that would be different but now you basically have a system where at least in theory every single candidate could reach that required 200 votes. Out of corp alts also don't matter to the assumptions Rhavas made, simply because it was a rough guesstimate on numbers based solely on what is visible. And for that purpose it was assumed that everyone in corp has 3 characters that are all in the same account. We all know this isn't so, it's just for the maths to give a fair comparison to what kind of numbers one can expect at the very least.
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I disagree that nothing can be gained by a more than 200 vote surplus in the preliminary election. People still like to vote for the winner, and if one candidate has a large lead, I would expect that person to get even more votes in the final election. You also have the issue of people who don't bother to vote for the full slate of candidates, and those people might be more likely to vote for the top preliminary candidate.
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Exactly. For the pre-election only one thing matters: Get 200 votes. For the full election, find 14 people and rank them as you see fit - but every vote past the 200th in the pre-election means nothing.
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Thanks for weighing in Two Step; I think that will happen naturally however - there is no way that all of the candidates will come out equally, even on the Primary. I very much expect however, to The Mittani's point as well as those of his detractors, that the vote flogging (TU is the biggest wormhole alliance) and his strong Jita Park presence hooked together will dictate that Nathan Jameson will likely get the most votes. The point is why just have Nathan when we could have others as well?
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That's huge news - I was not aware of that. This is a critical piece of information for candidates in general - and small-bloc (e.g. wormhole) or independent candidates to know. Thanks for the info Trebor. As far as out of corp alts I am actually assuming that they may well be voted for other candidates. If you have a FW, industry or nullsec "main" on another account, wouldn't you vote for that playstyle on that account?
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Right - At some level even if the math removes a bit too much, the compensation will be those that don't vote (part of the goal is of course to flog the voters a bit through posts like this!). In Future Corps, for example, a LOT of people have "leave in another system" scan alts, generallty in-corp. By definition, these have to be a separate account.If you only divide by two instead of three, it still leaves James Arget and Ayeson below the 200 threshhold using their corp count alone (which was why I suggested throwing a greater percentage of overvotes their way).
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Cip has alot of votes from Polarized....
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Im voting for Mynnna - unless you're up for election, Mittens. I'll toss a vote for each toon I have (9 accounts) making some 20+ toons :).
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Any pre-election that limits the field to the top N candidates is easily gameable. Given that the final election is STV anyway, the pre-election is of marginal utility IMHO
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edit: ignore
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Isn't Chitsa out because he's taking a break from eve?
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Talocan is full of AFKers and scan alts, especially the former SRS. Corps
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Don't you only get one vote per account?
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Polarized had several wh csm canidates on our comms. As a wormhole alliance and a small minority in eve our primary concern is wormhole representation at the CSM. its good to be in communication with the other canidates. I personally will vote for Chitsa because I've known him long enough and well enough to believe he is the best choice. But the other wh guys are cool and that's how the wh community rolls...
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I am not taking a break from EvE :) I might be a bit more busy for a month or so though. So my EvE time will decrease from 8 hours to like 3 :)
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yerp as far as i remember for the final ballot, its one vote per account.
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Would help if the candidates weren't all spergelords. TS please don't leave us alone with them!
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LOL @ WH having alts on the same account - do more basic math dude, they are all on separate accounts
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I suspect it's both. PI and haulers - same accounts. Cyno boats and infiltrators, different accounts.
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All Goons who don't give a shit about wormholes should vote for Mynnna. He's a solid candidate. But this is a post about wormhole candidates.

"Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank ... Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership."

"There's no unified wormhole vote this time, because Two Step isn't running; the w-space vote is likely to be fractured and thus irrelevant in the grand scheme of things."

- The Mittani, The CSM 8 Election: An Early Analysis

Make no mistake, this is a message to unaffiliated voters. In particular, unaffiliated wormhole voters.

The Mittani's votes alone would have placed 3 people on CSM 7 if it had used the new STV system: #1, #2 and #13. Add the Pandemic Legion candidates and others that will be on the organized lists of the CFC, HBC and N3 coalitions, to say nothing of the Russians, and you have a recipe for a very heavily sovereign nullsec-focused CSM.

What this means, unaffiliated wormhole voters, is you have a choice. You can go quietly into that good night of irrelevance, blowing off the "Pre-Election" (hereafter: Primary) and getting only one candidate through to the main ballot, or you can attempt to be one of "The Organized" and again show the strength that Two Step's voters did for CSM 7. The CSM's POS change, dreadnaught, and T3 balancing feedback will be nullsec-driven. This time, the CSM election will require more discipline from you for success.

There are two potential ways to do this in the primary:

  1. Everyone gets behind one candidate and the other four drop out or don't get enough votes to make the final ballot. This means that the lone candidate will certainly make the ballot (and likely the CSM), but many overvotes will be wasted and that one will be the lone wormhole representative of 14.
  2. Get the maximum number of candidates on the ballot, to ensure that the maximum number of wormhole voters care about the final vote and use the "Two Step stack" method of listing all five (or as many as get in) wormhole candidates at the top of the ballot. This would make it possible, even likely, that two or - at a stretch - three candidates could make the group of 14.

In the new primary rules, each candidate must get 200 votes to get on the ballot. As CCP has outright stated, it is difficult to tell how many characters equals a player, but for sake of argument let's say that 3 characters = 1 account in a wormhole corp (wormholers are notoriously alt-happy, and in our hole I see most with 2-3 accounts). Using that math, let's look at the wormhole candidates using stats from Dotlan. (Full Disclosure: I have publicly endorsed James Arget)

  1. Nathan Jameson: Talocan United = 632 characters, or 210 votes. Nathan has done a particularly good job of outreach as well, so may get some additional one-off voters or "future wormholers".
  2. Chitsa Jason: Exhale + Polarized = 116 + 439 = 555 characters, or 185 votes. Exhale's fracture was not contentious, so let's suppose that Chitsa keeps the votes from both of the resultant alliances.
  3. Cipreh: Existential Anxiety + 1/2 of Transmission Lost = 297 + 217 = 514 characters, or 171 votes. Transmission Lost's fracture, by comparison, was more drama-filled. So let's assume that half of legacy TL doesn't vote for Cipreh.
  4. James Arget: Sleeper Social Club = 275 characters, or 91 votes. James, however, has some good potential side sources of votes including Kill It With Fire and EVE University.
  5. Ayeson: Hard Knocks = 259 characters, or 86 votes.

So what does this mean? It means that if you don't act in the primary, you'll be proving The Mittani right. Two step got 4150 votes in the CSM 7 election. The votes above only tally up to 743, meaning that there are over 3000 votes (assuming similar numbers to a year ago) that could be brought to bear to get more wormhole candidates on the final ballot this year.

The Bottom Line (For Wormholers)

  • You have 3000+ votes worth of power to bring an outsized wormhole candidate list to the final ballot.
  • It is critical that you vote on all of your accounts in the "Pre-Election" Primary March 22-29
  • There is nothing to be gained beyond 200 votes for your favorite candidate. A "big win" margin in the primary does nothing to help your candidate in the full election; after 200 it simply siphons off votes that could have gotten another wormholer on the ballot.

My recommendation: If your favorite candidate is James Arget or Ayeson, vote all your accounts for them, since they have a stretch to make the ballot. Otherwise vote your favorite on your main, but spread out the votes of your other accounts to other wormhole candidates to maximize the number of candidates that make it through to the next round.

Best of luck to all the candidates, and happy voting.

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Rhavas is the author of the Interstellar Privateer blog. He is a wormhole pilot with Sleeper Social Club, an EVE Online lore geek and a former Lowsec pirate.