Advanced Probing: The Crunchy Bits

Great info, Been using the Dscan alot more now and eagerly about to dust off my ninja salvaging skills and go scan shit once again. also first
Your paint skills are just ~awesome~!
oh pr-8, I must return soon (system map shot in header If my memory serves)
"Results will be shown as either a red square, which means more than one probe got a hit, or a large red circle which means only one probe got a hit."Results are slightly more complex than that. If one probe gets a hit, the result will be a red sphere centered around that probe indicating that the target lies somewhere on the surface of that sphere (+- a bit depending on your skills). The target will always be within the scan range of the probe, so if the red sphere is larger than the scan range the target is near the edge of the scan range.If two probes get a hit, the result will be an ellipse aligned perpendicular to the line between the two probes. The target will be somewhere along the curve (again, +- a bit depending on skills). The ellipse will generally be centered on the line between the probes and the radius will give the true indication of how far away from that centre line the target is but this again depends on skills and scan strength.If three probes get a hit, the result will be show as two dots. The target is at one of those two positions (within a certain radius depending on skills and scan strength).If four probes get a hit, the result will be a single dot. The target is at that position (or within a certain radius depending on skills and scan strength).See the wikipedia article on Trilateration ( ) for more details.
Well spotted
I tell newbies who want to learn to combat probe to learn to Dscan very fast first.
Does this actually work in K-space ? anyone trying to scan shit down with Combat probes starting at 8AU range will give the target lots of time to spot probes and relocate.
I doubt it. I do not know much about probing in WH space and attempting to write a guide for it would do it disservice. If someone wants to write one I'm sure we'd be glad to post it.
When keeping eyes on a fleet I'll just probe with an alt and try to keep it on grid with them. That way I can see exactly where they warp off to and just stick 0.5 au probes on the celestial/cluster. If I don't get a result there I still know roughly where to start probing for the safe.
There are a couple YouTube videos out there, but I have yet to see one that goes into the examples you have used. What are the odds of you doing an in-depth guide on probing, but with videos?

If you're wanting general information about probing, I suggest you start with part one.

This guide deals with probing and information regarding probing during combat restricted to a single system. This usually occurs during strategic ops with a reinforcement timer expiring shortly.

Useful Numbers

149,597,870.7Km = 1AU
299,195,741.4Km = 2AU
448,793,612.1Km = 3AU
598,391,482.8Km = 4AU
747,989,353.5Km = 5AU
897,587,224.1Km = 6AU
1,047,185,095Km = 7AU
1,196,782,966Km = 8AU
1,346,380,836Km = 9AU
1,495,978,707Km = 10AU
1,645,576,578Km = 11AU
1,795,174,448Km = 12AU
1,944,772,319Km = 13AU
2,094,370,190Km = 14AU
2,147,483,647Km = 14.355AU

1,000,000 kilometers = disconnect range (if a person logs off outside a station/pos the game puts them at this distance until they disappear).

Directional Scan

Directional scan, or dscan henceforth, is a very useful tool for scanning down hostiles. Dscan deals with kilometers (km) while most of the overview deals with Astronomical Units (AU). The maximum dscan range is 2,147,483,647 kilometers = 14.3550415 Astronomical Units. I prefer to just think 14.5 AU as it's easier to remember.

Why is this useful?

You can set your dscan to 1,000km and constantly press it until you see hostiles starting to show up. Depending on your skills hitting analyze at that time might return a result on them as they land on grid.

Dscan also offers a large radius scan with very little delay, though it does not indicate an exact location nor allow you to warp to it. Dscan does indicate if something is ongrid or offgrid with you as seen here:


As this picture illustrates, I am on-grid with one tower, but there is a second tower and a jump bridge in system as well. These are not at the same location as myself, hence the lack of distance. This works in combat as well. Assume that your fleet is fighting against a hostile Loki fleet, and this fleet is probably receiving boosting from another Loki. Your probes are positioned at 0.5 AU, and the only results you are seeing are the Lokis on-grid. With a 360 degree dscan, you notice a Loki with no distance listed. You have two options: immediately expand your probes to 8 AU, or change the dscan range to half. To do this, change the 2 to 1 - while not exactly half, speed factors in as well. If that Loki disappears from dscan after this change, it means he is over 7 AU away, but within 15 AU. If the Loki remains on dscan, it means he is within 7 AU of you.

You are then able to either start scanning with your probes, or attempt to get a better fix on the Loki by adjusting your scan direction. With the changes to deep safes, it is safe to assume that the Loki will be somewhere within the path of celestials:


Once you have figured out approximately where the Loki (or whatever target) is, move your probes into that area and start scanning. Start with 8 AU and decrease around the target as you get results. Results will be shown as either a red square, which means more than one probe got a hit, or a large red circle which means only one probe got a hit. Practice this skill until you're able to interpret the results and can find the ship in only a few scans. Note: most boosting Lokis will have ECCM running and will be impossible to get a 100% result on without perfect skills and implants.

Differentiating between Friendlies and Hostiles

Easiest option: Ship types. If your fleet is in battleships and the hostiles are in battlecruisers, change your filter to only show battlecruisers.

Distance: If the friendly and enemy fleet are both in battlecruisers, sort your scan results by range and ignore the results that are the same as the friendly fleet. Issues arise if both fleets are at the exact same distance from you.

Location based: If your fleet comes in from a gate, while dropping and formatting probes, hit analyze on your fleet and ignore them ahead of time. If you're already in system and a friendly fleet enters from either a gate or a cyno, place your probes there and ignore those results.

Unique ship based: If both fleets are fighting on the same grid, while your fleet is offgrid attempting to enter the fight. Example: both fleets are in AHACs, you know your doctrine does not use Guardians, you see them on your scan results by sorting by ship type. You can then warp to that Guardian and start engaging the hostiles.

In the Heat of the Battle

Combining dscan, probing and intel you are able to chase hostiles to their safes. Visually seeing the direction the hostiles warped allows you to position your probes and have your fleet align. Getting assistance from your fleet can make probing faster if you did not see which direction the hostiles warped.

Use probes to dictate range. A target needs to be over 150km away from you to warp to it- but that does not mean you need to warp 150km. If the hostiles are 200km away from your close range fleet, warping to them at 0km is a good choice. If you are in sniping ships or longer ranged ships than your hostiles you can choose the range to warp to them. Use your overview to see the direction the hostiles are moving and their speed. Changing your warp distance may be beneficial.

An example: the hostile fleet has an effective range of 40km, your fleet operates best between 50 and 75km. The hostiles are MWDing directly away from you at 3km/s starting at 200km. Assume it takes around five seconds from when you initiate warp fully aligned to when you are able to target and fire. If you fleet warp at 50km (the beginning of your advantage), by the time you have exited warp and start locking, the hostiles will now be 65km away [50 (initial warp) + 3 (kilometers per second) x 5 (seconds it takes to warp)] and out of your range within a few seconds. Knowing this, if you were to have warped to the hostiles at 35km, by the time you exited warp you would have been at perfect range.

EVE is not static. The likelyhood of the above situation occuring exactly is quite small. It is difficult to attempt to give examples in fixed settings, as the game is not a fixed environment. Combat probing is a learned skill and can only be improved through practice. Hopefully these tips can help you understand how to use the many features in EVE in conjuction to be a better prober and fleet commander.

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